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Russian General Demands Preemptive Nuclear Strike Doctrine Against NATO
While NATO is contemplating its existential purpose in a world where the Cold War has suddenly come back with a vengeance, and the military alliance has found itself woefully unprepared to deal with a Russia which no longer accepts the supremacy of the west (appropriately enough NATO is doing this on a golf course) Russia is also strategizing, only instead of issuing "sharply-worded catchphrases" and hashtags, a Russian general has called for Russia to revamp its military doctrine, last updated in 2010, to clearly identify the U.S. and its NATO allies as Moscow's enemy number one. That in itself is not disturbing: we reported as much yesterday and is merely more rhetorical posturing. Where things, however, get very problematic is that the general demands that Russia spell out the conditions under which the country would launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the 28-member military alliance.
Moscow Times reports that Russia's military doctrine, a strategy document through which the government interprets military threats and crafts possible responses, is being revised in light of threats connected to the Arab Spring, the Syrian civil war and the conflict in Ukraine, the deputy chief of the Kremlin's security council told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.
That however is the soundbite for politically correct media purposes. Because within the Defense Ministry there are voices calling for different priorities.
"First and foremost, the likely enemy of Russia should be clearly identified in this strategic document, something absent from the 2010 military doctrine. In my view, our primary enemy is the U.S. and the North Atlantic bloc," General Yury Yakubov, a senior Defense Ministry official, was quoted as saying by Interfax.
If this sounds like a statement taken right out of the (first) Cold War, one involving the whole nuclear arms race, is because it is. The 2010 doctrine defines NATO expansion as a threat to Russian national security and reaffirms its right to use nuclear weapons in a defensive posture, but stops far short of declaring NATO as Moscow's primary adversary and laying preemptive nuclear strike scenarios on the table, a posture unmistakably reminiscent of the Cold War.
At the basis of this dramatic escalation is none other than Russia's stated response to what it perceives as a clear expansionary NATO threat.
Yakubov said the information war being waged over the crisis in Ukraine — where the West accuses Russia of arming separatists fighting the government in Kiev — and NATO's announcement that it would establish a permanent military presence in Eastern Europe have validated earlier fears that the alliance's claims of non-aggression toward Russia were insincere.
And the punchline: the general added that special attention should be paid to integrating the functions of the newly created Air and Space Defense Forces with Russia's land, sea and air based nuclear forces. "In addition, it is necessary to hash out the conditions under which Russia could carry out a preemptive strike with the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces," he said.
One can be certain that this is precisely what Russia will do.
So what happens next?
Recall what former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev said in November 2008 in his first presidential address to the Russian people: "Russia will deploy Iskander missile systems in its enclave in Kaliningrad to neutralize, if necessary, the anti-ballistic missile system in Europe." An anti-ballistic missle system also known as NATO.
Which it did less than a year ago, long before the Ukraine civil war was headline news every day. This is what happened the last time Russia flexed its nuclear deterrence muscles, in November of 2013.
Russia has stationed missiles with a range of about 500 kilometers in its Kaliningrad enclave and along its border with the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Germany’s Bild-Zeitung reports, citing defense officials it didn’t identify. Satellite images show a “double-digit” amount of mobile units identified as SS-26 Stone in NATO code. Missiles were stationed within the past 12 months. SS-26 can carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads.
This is merely Russia being true to its warning word. From April 2012:
Moscow reiterated on Tuesday it may deploy Iskander theater ballistic missiles in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad that will be capable of effectively engaging elements of the U.S. missile defense system in Poland.
NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea, at a summit in Lisbon, Portugal, in 2010.
The missile defense system in Poland does not jeopardize Russia’s nuclear forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said.
“However, if it is modernized…it could affect our nuclear capability and in that case a political decision may be made to deploy Iskander systems in the Kaliningrad region,” he said in an interview with RT television.
“But that will be a political decision,” he stressed. “So far there is no such need.”
A little over two years later, there is a need.
Which means forget "little green men" in Ukraine. Think massive Russian Iskander ICBM systems planted on the border with Poland, Ukraine, the Baltics and all across Russia Western border, and the furious screamfest this would waterfall into.
We can't wait to see how algos will spin such pre-emptive steps to a very mushroom cloudy World War III...
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"In addition, it is necessary to hash out
the conditions under which Russia could
carry out a preemptive strike with the
Russian Strategic Rocket Forces"
"Friend, I mean thee no harm, but thou standeth where I am about to shoot..."
The West seems to be working overtime to somehow constrain energy exports of Moscow — the lifeline of the Russian economy. A conscious effort to deprive Russia of its energy markets — by diversifying its major customers away — is definitely on. There has also been speculation that Washington has been conniving its allies in the OPEC — once again — to unleash a flood of oil into the market, so as to drive the markets down and bring Putin to his knees.
In the ongoing battle of wits, Russia and the West are out — oiling their energy arsenals — to achieve strategic objectives. In this rather crowded geopolitical chess board, with both sides bent upon using their energy assets, who is going to have the last hurrah remains a big if.
The only question that remains, as we’ve earlier reported in out article is that Putin is ready for Oil War. But is the West ?.
Putin’s Wartime Black NoticePointing a gun at a customer's head tends to allienate them and reinforce whatever reason they have to want to buy from someone else.
Looks like Germany has been given an ultimatum, "Buy our gas. Buy as much as we demand, as often as we demand, at the price we demand, or die in nuclear fire."
As bad as the Americans are, if they were like that you would all be driving Chevy's.
Time to start on the root celler project.
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> "spell out the conditions under which the country would launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the 28-member military alliance."
Forget the 28-member military alliance. Strike directly at the head, the USA. The others will disband.
(Sorry, Americans. I'm European).
Ok, that was a joke.
Seriously, call your Congressmen or do whatever you Americans do when the s... hits the fan. Hold posters in the streets, launch a #BringBackOurSanity Twitter campaign, anything you can to stop the psychos who rule you.
The Russians aren't finding it funny anymore.
Me neither.
Unfortunately, our rulers don't obey us anymore. Our police murder innocent civilians with impunity (we're 800% more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist - www.cato.org/.../youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist). And they are now armed and act like they're an army of occupation! Face it, the United States of America has the best government money can buy and Wall Street et al bought it years ago!
The European provences of the American Empire shall find it extremely difficult to break away from our insanely greedy and power-mad rulers (they would rather set off a nuclear war than lose one penny of our dwindling wealth). Obama has already signed an executive order giving theatre commanders permission to use tactical nukes (www.globalresearch.ca/preparing-to...iran...nuclear-weapons.../28355). The problem is that you are literally correct to use the term "psychos" in describing our rulers. They are not going to let the U. S. or N. A. T. O. out of their clutches even if they have to turn the planet Earth into a radioactive slab of rock.
So unfortunately you are right (no joke) - we'd all be better off if the Russians would just target America and hopefully spare Europe. Maybe a few would survive after all. America and Russia (and probably China too) would just be a wasteland of radioactive craters.
Barbarossa296
Like we both know, they are psychos and the good news is, psychos will ready to fight to the last drop of YOUR blood, but never theirs.
Nukes would hit them too, or force them to live in bunkers for the rest of their wretched lives. They will never accept that kind of danger TO THEMSELVES. Psychopaths are very predictable: deep down, they're cowards who only attack when they're certain to win.
Don't worry. There won't be any nukes.
preemptive strike..... first strike..... KO punch....
NOT PREVENTIVE STRIKE
what do the satellites say they are really doing...
so Dempsey said "we have no plan (or his ref to a 20 year old dusty plan on the shelf)
what do these fukin generals do all day anyhow... polish their stars? sext one another?
last time i was in the national military command center i watched a 1 star serving coffee to a group of 3 stars, and then they sent him for cigars and cigarettes... before entering the immense conference room to watch war on the big screen including sounds sent direct from the battlefield...
ussa is led by a BRIGADE OF CLOWNS..... Dempsey, Hagel, Brennan, Clapper, Jarrett and the puppet...
generals always want war.... to get promoted
i dont think the ussa has truly turned the military loose since ww2 when they carpet bombed cities to smitherines..... now ussa is pussified PC warrior with ROE.... nothing againt the troops... just the PC "leaders".... most of the true warriors have been purged, leaving room for promotions of yes men...
What about a False Flag Nuke Strike in USA, and then they blame Russia for it ...
They could hit Dee-troit and solve multiple problems with a single government-sponsored activity. Of course, this would be too efficient and cost-effective for our Federal government.
JEEBUS
You'd think that nobody here ever witnessed a WAR OF WORDS before.
For the last month the US and NATO have been playing 'good cop- bad cop' with the Russians and nobody said a thing.
But now that Putin is playing 'good copski - bad copski", the toughest guys with the biggest balls at ZH are having a cow.
After you guys write your 'last comment and testament', do me a favor: go get a vanilla milkshake.
And relax.
Nice to see you again Mr. Chamberlin.
It's been awhile.
Oh, but you're all wrong.
Don't you wish Mr. Chamberlin had been around to appease Bush into not attacking Iraq in 2003. The country is destroyed. The people are walking dead.
And wasn't it Putin himself who appeased Mammy Obammy into foregoing a cruise missile strike on Damascus?
People just do the best they can. Bush, Obama. Some people do better. Putin
We are OK. As long as the effective range does not include Israel.
we'll get an EMP warning shot, Russia doesn't want to kill its export market, if the EMP doesn't work I predict they'll hit Switzerland in the dead of winter, freeze/nuke everybody's title and assets in Switzerland a direct shot at the untouchable bankers, probably hit Delaware too, wipe out all those tiltes too.
Are the Russkies pulling assets out of Switzerland?
Would the Swiss even notice or know?
Glad to see Russia standing firm and not letting NATO obfuscation of the real causes of this crisis distract attention away from the fact that the U.S. and Europe, not Russia, are the cause of renewed Cold War tensions.
Russia "appeased" NATO for a long time since 1991, and as we all know, appeasement doesn't work. The only way to deal with a greedy land-grabbing asshole is to make him suffer the "costs" of his actions - and that is what Russia is doing.
Sickens me how NATO turns this around to make Russia the heavy and tries to make Russia suffer "costs" for its (NATO's) greedy land-grabs, and wants Russia to practice appeasement of NATO.
I hate hypocrites - don't you????
Your rant makes perfect sense if you are a Russian nationalist. To those of us who know history, Putin's Russia appears to be fascist in nature and truly danngerous. The mistake was electing Obama to do Russia's bidding.
And how did Bush's America appear to "those of us who know history' after America attacked Iraq on a 'false flag' that even the Nazis would have been embarassed to use?
You are in major denial, Bernardo Gui. But that's all right to those of who know comic relief.
Bernardo is likely a paid MOSSAD stooge
Blind, blind, blind - you are blind!
NATO is the land-grabbing fascist power, not Russia. You only "know history" from the twisted perspective you get from the MSM.
I'm coming to your immediate neighborhood to encircle you - I'm going to convince all your closest neighbors to arm themselves against you, work hard to keep you isolated and weakened, and bully you into doing our bidding. We won't let you gain friends in the neighborhood to stand up to our encirclement. And what's more, we're going to start some real gunfights right on the perimeter of your house so you can't feel safe.
Any friends you do have will be shot in these fights.
Maybe you need to get a clue, and walk around in Russia's shoes for a bit - lose your arrogant, smug attitute, for just 5 minutes - I challenge you. Or are you afraid to think outside the extreme, one-sided ideology you know and love so well?
get a GED and an IQ above 75 THEN come here and post somthing more than your psycho babble
Over the last years Obongo has DISMANTLED a lot of our nuclear weapons, like a good Commie.
So if we were to say to Vlad:
PUT UP YOUR NUKES, it would be hollow because we DO NOT Have what we had thanks to Rahm Israel Emanuel's boy, er Mulatto.
And thanks to Bill Clinton, who over the objections of the Pentagon, gave SUPER ADVANCED COMPUTERS to China so they could have their ICBMs make adjustments for weather so they could hit the US Mainland.
And for this our grandparents or parents fought to defeat Adolf Hilter? FOR THIS AMERICA??!!!!!
For those who judge Hitler by the standards of his democratic opponents, you have to ask yourself what kind of world did the victors of 1945 actually give us. What is the cultural and political record of the Allies without Hitler after seventy years?
HItler bad, modern politicians worse.
Why would Russia nuke its largest captive natural gas client base? The consequences would be far worse than turning off the fiat-conjuring machines. . .
'Ol Wolfowitz is spittin' on his hand and slickin' his already greasy matted hair back.
Yee-haaah! Nukalar combat toe-to-toe with the Rooskis!
Like George C Scott in Dr Strangelove.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP6KbIsNK4
Well, boys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ynY5NvYsZY
see that 18 wheeler in the picture above
one missile x thousands
two bombs x thousands
200,000-400,000 dead x thousands
me think nAtO confused
this is not ISis your dealing with
Good think Obama cut a deal with Putin to cut the US nuclear arsenal (while allowing Russia to modernize its own stockpile). Now that's what you call a reset! Then again, if you are a US president who views the US as the single greatest threat to world peace, it makes perfect sense. To my way of thinking it makes Obama a traitor.
Obama installed General Weinstein - surely you jest.
U.S./NATO the new Axis Powers.
When these assholes get close enough to WW3 I'm out of here to a virtually unknown part of the world. At least I can die there in peace.
Fking Obama just went from a lazy ass president to the WORSE president in US history. Even that idiot Bush didnt take us to the brink of nuclear war just to massage his bruised ego over the Russian bitchslap over Syria.
This is what happens when you vote for a black man into the office. Nobel peace prize?? lmao.
@ sidiji:
O'blamer isn't worried - if SHTF he'll just return home to Kenya
Fking Obama just went from a lazy ass president to the WORSE president in US history. Even that idiot Bush didnt take us to the brink of nuclear war just to massage his bruised ego over the Russian bitchslap over Syria.
This is what happens when you vote for a black man into the office. Nobel peace prize?? lmao.
This isn't because of a 'black man in office'.
It's because of the people that put him there. SSDD.
Exactly.
his being black has nothing to do with it.
his being a puppet of wealthy zionist jews [whom he has, in turn, appointed in great numbers to just about everything that counts - treasury, commerce, irs, fed, etc.] has everything to do with it - yet his Ziopaths are moderate compared to the Likudnik Ziopaths.
The greatest threat to the US is Bibi NuttyYahoo and his sayanim throughout the land - very much including .gov itself.
The time for half measures and talk is over
We who are about to die salute you
Uh, I can't decide between these two Gladiator quotes
Ultimately, we're all dead men. Sadly, we cannot choose how, but, what we can decide is how we meet that end, in order that we are remembered... as men.
Name one thing the U.S. Military has ever done that wasn't preemptive.
@ Salsipuedes:
Well, 911 comes to mind - unless they're on Saudi Arabia's side - humm...
then there's sleep, golf, fund-raiser's and parties - oops, wrong issue.
[those come naturally to POTUS]
WWI and WWII
Ever heard of the Lusitania or Pearl Harbor?
Only NATO?
Hope the Ruskies haven't forgotten about wiping IsraHell off the face of the planet,
(Attn Russian High Command; Tel Aviv is at 32.08N, 34.80E. Hope this helps)
I have no idea that "untouchables" had internet access.
Otherwise, if the Russian pigs want to trade Leningrad and Moscow for Tel Aviv, I might buy into the senario.
right on!
If you want your nuclear annihilation, you can keep you nuclear annihilation.
the irony is surreal. from kruzchev pounding his shoe on his podium to get attention so he could make a statement at the un sold to the american people as an example of the uncivilized, heathen non-believing pinko commie through the real brinkmanship of the cuba missile crisis to ukraine where the usa gets bitch slapped several times by putin and new russia but keeps coming back for more. ukraine is exactly like gaza. the usa might win but they have lost the rest of europe. germany will make sure of it's independence from the usa in the future.
only love can stop them
Better draw some new red lines!
That word preemptive has a slight ring of suddeness to it.
Victoria Nuland (fuck the EU) married to Mr. Preemtive War - Robert PNAC Kagan.
And as loving a marriage as the Ceau?escus
"a slight ring of suddenness to it."
And a touch of premeditation
When Vlad helped the people of Osettia I thought it was righteous and I was SHOCKED to learn that Georgia was being run by Jews from Israel, at the time they invaded Osettia.
He went in and defended the Osettians and kicked Georgia's ass out of there and then the Russian troops LEFT.
I applauded Putin.
This Ukraine stuff, however, seems very different to me.
But leave it to the USSA to be on the Jewish lobby side in Ukraine. After Fukushima not really that worried about the General's threat.
"That was no small war in Georgia" Mark Ames Radar Magazine
http://www.alternet.org/story/112457/that_was_no_small_war_in_georgia_--_it_was_the_beginning_of_the_end_of_the_american_empire/
Superb article, and on point.
I'll have to keep an eye out for more of his writing.
Ames is not a shill for Russia. I think has been at odds there once somewhere.
I think he and Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone work together some.
not being anti semitic (since Jews are not really 'semitic') i would say that the Jews are the root cause for all the tunmoil in the wold
"This Ukraine stuff, however, seems very different to me"
Except for the fact that Viktor Yushchenko was not assassinated,
the events in Ukraine are out of the same CIA playbook as
Allende and Chile.
If Vlad Putin's aides take the time to read Zerohedge (amazingly ranked 1436 in the world), he will know that - whilst few people support the Russian "system" - there are huge numbers of people in America, Europe and elsewhere who are smart enough to have sussed out a long time ago that the crises in Ukraine - and Syria before that - are 100% manufactured by Washington and its allies, mainly Westminster and Brussels plus a long list of spineless sycophants across Europe and elsewhere. NATO is Washington's thug on the street dispensing threats daily.
This deliberately manufactured crises has nothing whatsoever to do with Russia being a threat to world peace and everything to do with creating a distraction to hide the collapsing financial ponzi scheme and economies in the West, the failing USD as global reserve currency and the failing dominance of the Anglo-American Empire. Does anybody take Obama seriously any longer?
The West demands that ALL countries must join the Western criminal banking system and create their own ponzi scheme to profit the corrupt - nay criminal - Western banksters and criminal political slimeballs who have their hands in the till.
That Russia dares to show independence from the political bankster ponzi scheme is unacceptable to those who float around the Western corridors of power.
I'd have given your comment a "100" instead of a "98" if you hadn't left out of your list of reasons for creating a distraction (financial ponzi scheme, failing reserve currency, falling imperial dominance) Washington's covetousness to possess every last drop of crude oil on the planet.
Please try not to forget that in future.
Yes SIR(!)
You are right about oil (and probably gas and other natural resources too). And there are very likely other unrelated factors which went into the Western cook pot to serve up this confrontation with Russia.
But the lies & propaganda pouring out of Western leaders and NATO would make Goebbels proud.
I wonder if NATO and the US owe the Goebbels' estate royalties?
Hey, doesn't it look like Putin won this inning? But I don't want to jinx it for the Russkies by blabbering about it.
I'm sure Nuland has been up all night trying to figure out a way to make the Russians look bad.
A false flag. Like having having Poland invade Poland and blaming it on Putin.
If I could get a message to Vladimir Vladimirovich, I'd remind him of Alexander Pope's wise advice:
Russian system is only two decades plus from Soviet and is developing....
better worry about your own country
Russia is more free
I think it's a mixed picture. We can always point to individual issues where one side if more or less free than the other.
The West is losing its freedoms fast & furiously as the political & banking criminals become ever more desperate to hang onto power and privilege afforded to them under the system of fake democracy, whereas Russia is gaining them because the leadership doesn't feel threatened like those in the West and is happy to maintain a lose grip. At least for now.
Government Price Fixing:
Moscow residents compare to Soviet price regime.
http://www.echo.msk.ru/news/1392320-echo.html
If you like the Russian equivalent to the Sunday Funnies, you'll get a more accurate picture of what the Russian experience actually is:
There was a good joke recently about someone calling the police because their neighbors are eating black caviar.
It goes something like this:
1985
Woman: "Hello, Police?"
Police: "Yes?"
Woman: "My neighbor is eating caviar."
Police: "So what?"
Woman: "He's eating BLACK Caviar."
Police: "So what?"
Woman: "He's eating it by the LITRE."
Police: "Okay, we're coming..."
1995:
Woman: "Police?"
Police: "Yes"
Woman: "My neighbor is eating caviar"
Police: "So what?"
Woman: "He's eating BLACK CAVIAR."
Police: "Okay, we're coming."
2000:
Woman: "Police"
Police: "Yes?"
Woman: "My neighbor is eating caviar."
Police: "We're coming!"
2014:
Woman: "Police?"
Police: "Yes?"
Woman: "My neighbor is eating!"
Police: "We're coming!"
The point of the jokes and the Russia article is that they both point to the fact that Russian's internally believe they are losing freedoms. If you also follow Russian polls, you'll see that they support Putin because of the improving economic situation since 1998.
Of course, Putin defaulted on Russia's debts in 1998. Any country that did that would have a huge rally for the next decade or two until the government got back into debt.
Can you imagine if the Ukraine did exactly what Putin did?
Can you imagine if the US or EU countries did?
It is called a debt Jubilee.
Nuland's coup in Kiev is looking more and more worth it everyday(NOT)...the brinkmanship bespeaks leadership out of its depth.
Keep the jokes going...this guy needs 'em. No sarcasm. Goddamnit. The the day day after after tomorrow oh oh ooooooshit. "Long wooden desks"<-funny
Uh
Can't say much. Those underground cities with all the food and ki pills. Maybe the fuvkers really are going under the ozarks whilst everything above goes snowy-glowy.
Shit. I can't remember the link to the site...you type in ur zip, type of nukey-ordinance 2b dropped and it gives you a neato/morbid 3D death-estimate.
I had some correspondence a while back with nuke-meister Dr. H. Caldecott. Simple-Said, the discussion was about Fuku, specifically if the rest of it went criticical, if it would be a bonfide "ELE" (extinction level event). From what I gathered...the north hemisphere would, indeed become uninhabitable for the humanzee. Hell, scary thing (back then) was lots a talk about that being a possibility as things are in the present. She (and many other scientists) told her daughter to get ready to b-line (why b line?) it quick to Australia, Dr. Caldicotts' home. A few weeks post 3/11, I had a bunch of FRNS and was super close to hi-tailin' it to Chile. I kinda wish I did. Chile is the best place to be IMO, for those who get duh radmares.
Dr. H did give the impression that lotsa s-hemistuffs would be somewhat alive...moving up to nuke-war, however wasn't discussed. I read the same same missive (sorry, can't remember posters' name) Floating in this thread re: "just a little bit..." will give Billy Gates a -2,000,000,000pop hard-on (just threw up in mouth).
Ruppert (the good one) was convinced Fuku=ELE. He had Dr. H. on his PRN show (lifeboat hour) late last year/early this year. worth listening to, I'm sure it's archived on the site.
whelp, I'm serious about the jokes- keep em coming please. The amount of effort it took to get 1 person hip with the "paper=bad/hard stuff=good" was exhaustive shit, as everyone here knows. Ever try the ol' "hey, uh. Things are nuke-y. Let's move!?"...oooo. It's worse. Much worse. All the ppl here who have the means to leave and go way way south, even if nothing happens, please look into it. Some "folks" here gotta have some kinda hut somewhere down yonder.
.If doomsday clock goes 11:59 and Defcon lvl (do they still use that?) "2" (I imagine it's close), what will everyone here be doing (stuck)? movie and fancy dinner doesn't cut it.
Ideas? flights-a-fancy? Dreeeeeeeaaamz?
Heh...o, boy
Big Stick ideology
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology
Big Stick ideology, Big Stick diplomacy, or Big Stick policy refers to U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt’s foreign policy: "speak softly, and carry a big stick." Roosevelt described his style of foreign policy as "the exercise of intelligent forethought and of decisive action sufficiently far in advance of any likely crisis".[1]
The idea of negotiating peacefully, simultaneously threatening with the "big stick", or the military, ties in heavily with the idea of Realpolitik, which implies a pursuit of political power that resembles Machiavellian ideals.[2] Compare to the term Gunboat diplomacy, as used in international politics by imperial powers.
Gunboat diplomacy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy
In international politics, gunboat diplomacy (or "big stick diplomacy" in U.S. history) refers to the pursuit of foreign policy objectives with the aid of conspicuous displays of naval power—implying or constituting a direct threat of warfare, should terms not be agreeable to the superior force.
Those terms meant something during the U.S. occupation of the Phillippines and the Chinese revolution... but they don't mean much today.
Clearly this is part of the theater.
You can tell ..not only because of how 'cheesy 80's war drama movie' it feels..but because it exacts the reaction (even from the ZHers that are 'above the media') that it is designed to.
And so many here pretend to be in the know..better than the msnbc crowd. :/
Let me tell it straight (for those that dont get it) Its A SHOW. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Its written to make you think youve 'figured it out' or 'smarter than the rest'
Go ahead and disagree and red arrow..cuz that only proves my point.
Ok..back to your regularly scheduled 'alternative news'
(Eyeroll)
Oh right... this is just my opinion..the rest of ZH outsmarted TPTB..which is ironic cuz several of the posters seem to be in tune with the truth..then everybody falls for the next trick.
But I spose thats part of the entertainment here.
(Eyeroll/headshake)
Now wheres my burger..
You are so smart.
{golf clap}
We are going to die for Ukraine? LOL
what possible benefit to the USA is Ukraine?
It's in a prime location for NATO (aka GDI) to launch global attacks on the forces of NOD.
Never underestimate the value of a forward operating base.
uh are you willing to die for a forward operating base?
As I recall, Bush II decreed a US first strike doctrine - tit for tat, eh wot ?
This is all about the hegemony of the US Dollar, Ukraine is just a convenient excuse. “Just Us” must be feeling their panties binding up... picking on an intelligent opponent who will not play their game and can fight back.
Wonder how Mutually Assured Destruction fits into their “dollar is backed by guns” mindset.
Considering that the US Government has displayed it's epic crony contractor technical incompetence with Obummercare, one has to wonder just how many US ICBM's are actually capable of leaving their silos and submarines.
Considering the current regime's track record it may be substantially less than 100%...
a protest in Dresden, where a crowd prevents Merkel’s speech with shouts of “kriegstreiber” (warmonger), “liar, liar,” and “no war with Russia.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSMhGE_Mpk
The question is: who does Merkel represent? Washington or Germany? So far, Merkel has represented Washington, not German business interests, not the German people, and not Germany’s interests as a country.
My Ph.D. dissertation chairman, who became a high Pentagon official assigned to wind down the Vietnam war, in answer to my question about how Washington gets Europeans to always do what Washington wants replied: “Money, we give them money.” “Foreign aid?” I asked. “No, we give the European political leaders bagfuls of money. They are for sale, we bought them. They report to us.” Perhaps this explains Tony Blair’s $50-million fortune one year out of office.
-Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/09/04/377654/warning-to-the-world-wes...
< isis strikes first
< gen yakubov strikes first
A few domestic false flags facilitated by “Just Us” and blamed on either of the above...
I see that they've got an Insaneky McCainsky too.
For the first time in my lifetime, I feel like I am going to watch the "bullies" get their asses kicked. And you know what I am talking about.
As my father used to say, "Just keep poking the bull in the eye."
Dear God, what has happened to our leadership in the U.S.?
I feel like I am following an idiot in the dark with zero clue where he is going.
What next?
Those Novorussia guys flag is the just like the Southern Battle Flag in color and form except without the stars on the crossbars They have expressed admiration for the Old Confederacy, and we for them. Maybe Atlanta won't burn this time.
Promoting Peace and Stability, NATO Warships Enter Black Sea.
http://rt.com/news/185072-nato-warships-black-sea/
Same article as posted a day earlier on 8/3... http://rt.com/news/184708-nato-warships-black-sea/
Nearly everyone on planet earth is sick and tired of the United States government. Some have a bit more options on expressing those feelings.
Thanks, Obama, Hillarity & Ketchup Boy, for royally fucking things up with the other Nuclear Superpower, setting foreign relations back to the early 60's, and generally making U.S.A. a worldwide pariah. I can't WAIT to see what you'll do for encores.
You know, after the Bush/Cheney clowns I thought we'd hit rock bottom as a country. Boy was I wrong.
P.S. I saw a report on MH17 today; apparently what REALLY happened based on what little has leaked out, was a Ukie fighter shot an air to air missile knocking out the right engine. The pilot did a fairly sharp 180 degree turn and probably was going to try to get the plane on the ground at Kiev airport. When the Ukies saw the plane was still flying, they knocked it down with cannon fire on the cockpit. There are 30 caliber holes in the fuselage. They've still not released the black box results or tower tapes, and probably never will.
and your point is.....
A vast void between the ears in somebody's skull.......
yep Bush and Cheney were total idiotic traitors who should have been hung for treason-and now the Democrats have actually out done them! Off with their heads!
The MH-17 report you read is 100% correct in my opinion.
MH-17 has become a huge criminal cover-up conspiracy, aided and abetted by Western MSM who have clearly agreed to drop the story.
The Western world is governed by criminals and fraudsters at the very highest levels.
I get the distinct feeling that the MSM which had no problem selling us the bs that the economy is fine and we're in a recovery are having a real difficult time in trying to sell us that the Administration has command of all of these foreign policy issues
Move along this is not the 3rd world war you are looking for.
http://www.janes.com/article/41665/russia-to-double-size-of-airborne-forces
>Russia is planning to double the size of its Airborne Troops (VDV) by 2019 to 72,000 personnel, it has been reported.
But the kicker is the last sentence.
>The airborne will also conduct joint exercises with the Northern Fleet in 2015.
As always, they're playing with us. We're their (breakable) toys.
All your NATO's are belong to us!
WHAT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT AS A RUSSIAN AND A GENERAL HE IS MAKING ALMOST PREDICTABLE COMMENTS FOR THE MEDIA TO GENERATE EXCITEMENT AND EVEN SOME OVERDUE CONCERN. HOWEVER THIS IS NOT VLAD PUTIN MAKING THESE REMARKS OR AN OPEN THREAT. FOR MANY YEARS RUSSIA MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IF WE CAME TOO CLOSE IN A TERRITORIAL SENSE, THEY MIGHT PULL SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT THE US IS WORSE IN A LOT OF WAYS, MORE SUBTLE LIKE A SERPENT. TIME TO MOVE TO A NEUTRAL COUNTRY LIKE CANADA OR NEW ZEALAND??
I wonder what a nuclear explosion would smell like? I mean if you were far enough away your nose didn't get melted off. Maybe like bbq gone bad lol.
Sorry. I'm trying to make myself laugh.
Smells like nuukie.
600th!
(That's my second one.)
The idea of America getting involved or jumping into a war in Ukraine would have been hard to imagine a few years ago. As I write this we are funding and encouraging Ukraine to wage war on its own people. This has the potential to escalate. Allowing events to deteriorate into a major war or possibly into what some see as World War III is becoming a reality.
As insane as it appears this could become the final outcome. The location of this as a military confrontation is right in Putin's backyard and this is a strong advantage for Russia. It is silly to think Putin and Russia will back down. This means poking the bear is not a smart move. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/war-in-ukraine-bad-idea_26.html
This is the petro dollar dying, final nail in the coffin.
They will go to war over this.
Are you demoralized yet, goyim?
I watched this years ago and everything goes back to what he said. It has all happened, and his words are the agenda they are using against America and us.
Well, it's already OUR policy, and the psychos in Washington and Buckingham palace think they can win with a first strike.
Buckingham Palace - seriously?
Gimme a break - it has fuck all to do with the royal family...
Sheesh...
ROFL, I guess you don't realize that British Queen is still out to rule the world, and her lackey Obama licks up everything she does.
You like this wall street system? Guess what, she's the figurehead of it. Wall Street is a British creation. Wall Street is British Ideology. Wall Street was Britain's attempt to undermine America's version of economics. The Federal Reserve doesn't serve Hamilton's American ideology, it serves the British monetary Empire ideologically.
And the figurehead for the Green fascist movement. They invented it! The British Crown created Green Fascism.
And the figurehead for the CIA/MI6 ruling crap. Who taught us!
And the figurehead for those who use terrorist organizations to terrorize, see Al-Yamamah. That's the oil-for-weapons slush fund that has been existence funding terrorists in the middle east the last ~30 years. So who funds terrorism!
Yes AL-Qeada and ISIS are funded by the British. How do you think we got involved? You never heard of Londonistan? Why is this tolerated? Because it serves the oligarch's interests, including that bitch.
Oh and who gives us bogus information, the information we set out as a red line under the Bush administration, that we needed to see, before we got into Iraq? You know WMD evidence. Well the British Empire forged it, and whether Bush knew or not is one thing, another thing that matters is that they used it. Who tried to give us more recently? Why is it that America sets a red line, and Britain always gives us the fake evidence to go past it?
And she has publicly stated, many times, on record, in speeches (thus why I said publicly stated) that the world needs to depopulate to under 1 billion, so whether it's an engineered Wall Street crash or nuclear war, it's a win-win for them. They've been using economic warfare against people for hundreds of years. Still are. Let the markets kill people. If not, her husband has said he would like to be reincarnated as a virus to help solve the problem of the world's overpopulation (which isn't a problem, because we're nowhere near population max...we're not in the trillions, and there's a whole universe out there).
You have no idea the British Empire, or now the Anglo-American Worldwide Empire, is still running things... do you? America's elite adopted empire and merged their power with, well whose do you think they adopted? The British, and their fucktard genocidal, Queen.
The Queen of England whether it's economic, militarily, clandestinely, and green fascism, is the figurehead that runs the planet. Her ideology runs the planet. Now look at what is going on. The wars, the economic system, the green limits, the spying, all her circles, and she's not stopping them. She continues to boast that she has to do more!
She has everything to do with it, you're just too much of a moron to get it all these years into it. You're sitting there reading this site, and maybe others, and you still haven't figure out that what is basically still the British Empire is running the world? Why do you think America is acting a fool like Britain once did? Because America became their enforcer. We are doing things the British Empire way. We stopped doing things the American way, and started doing them the way of the Empire.
Oh and Obama gets advice from Tony Blair, who also campaigned for him. He gets advice Queen Elizabeth and other royal dirtbags. You should look at the timelines of him holding certain positions. Going from good or neutral position on something (I know hard to believe), to that of empire, always after he meets or talks with agents of the Empire. He always does 180's after meeting with the British and European oligarchs.
Oh I also forgot, what do you think Obamacare is? It's NHS, specifically the N.I.C.E. genocide program, except American's have to pay for it because it's doled out by private insurers. Deathpanels and all.
America is part of the British empire. Our elites have reattached and recolonized us because it made them wealthy and powerful. You can call it an Anglo-American empire, or worldwide empire. Of course what does NATO actually represent? The oligarchy.
NATO is the vessel with how the oligarchy is trying to bend Russia to its will. Russia's fight against Nato is really a fight of European and American oligarchy, who is head by the Queen of England, and her lackey's like Obama and Cameron, against Russia. The British Empire is threatening Russia (via their first strike policy...ours, not Russia's) via Nato expansion, pulling Ukraine from Russia, and into the fold of the British Empire via the EU.
Wake up.
I'm not opposed to a Russian nuclear strike on DC. Just one, though. In return, we'll give them California.
Give'em California???
Why would you want to do such a dastardly thing like that to the Russians? What have they ever done to you that you should want to infect them with Cal-Ebola-Fornia, the most toxic and deadly slime on the face of the earth?
Shame, shame on you!
not possible, russian not like fuck in the ass fagots californians & shaved pierced pumped cunts.
They would be happy with Alaska. The churches there are still ortodox.
take out DC and Israel: problems solved!
I'll raise that bet and throw in the Ivy League.
Finally the proof the west has been trying to manufacture, irrefutable evidence that Russia has in fact invaded the Ukraine.
http://rt.com/news/185148-russian-embassy-nato-trolling/
Whatever the failings and foolishness for whatever corrupt and contemptable motives of the Wall Street criminals and their Washington DC puppets, the greatest failure of the 20th century falls to G.H.W. Bush. When the Soviet Union collapsed and splintered into its constituent parts (because they all were eager to be free of decades if not centuries of Russian hegemony) the West failed,nay refused to hold Soviet communists and Communism accountable for crimes so hideous as to even eclipse tthose of the Nazis. This failure has led directly to the arrogance of Putin's neo-Czarist imperialism.
Hate Obama and the banksters that pull his strings for their crimes, none of them excuse Putin for the criminal nature of his regime.
Umm, are you forgetting they still had between 30 - 40 thousand nukes, Just what would you have done?
By the time of the collaspse the Russian military was in total disarray including their nuclear arsenal. They may have been (and still are ) zenophobic imperialists but they clearly understood what MAD was. Bush the elder was more interested in clearing the decks for his Wall Street pals to financially rape and exploit the corpse of the Soviet Union than in finding any justice fore the victims of its monsterous crimes.
You need to read Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution to know who are the "real" criminals, and they are the usual suspects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZAGZvwHLz8
And why shouldn't Russia have their own version of what is already in the NATO charter? I forget the number of the article in the document, but I read this particular article of the NATO charter only last night on Global Research. It states that if the USSA or any NATO member state feels threatened by a non member state,(Russia) NATO reserves the right to consider a "pre-emptive nuclear first strike." We promised Russia that we would not use Eastern Europe, after the dissolution of the USSR, to encroach geographically on Russia using its western border nations to expand NATO. Guess what? We broke yet another treaty. We're good at that Go, USSA!!
They need to be ready to strike
Wait, I need to upgrade my geiger counter (currently reads only up to 20 usv/h) before Putin' show starts.
Tonight my geiger counter reads 1.64 usv/h (north CA), did someone in south CA has similar reading?
All of this is so that little pea brained cretinous piece of unholy shit biden the cunt can give his little boy a gas field for christmas
China: About 250 total warheads. France: Fewer than 300 operational warheads. Russia: Approximately 1,512 strategic warheads deployed on 498 ICBMs, SLBMs, and strategic bombers [1]. The Federation of American Scientists estimates Russia has another 1,000 nondeployed strategic warheads and approximately 2,000 tactical nuclear warheads. Additional thousands are awaiting dismantlement. United Kingdom: Fewer than 160 deployed strategic warheads, total stockpile of up to 225. United States: 4,804 nuclear warheads as of September 2013 [2], including tactical, strategic, and nondeployed weapons. According to the latest official New START declaration, the United States has1,585 strategic nuclear warheads deployed on 778 ICBMs, SLBMs, and strategic bombers [1]. The Federation of American Scientists estimates that the United States' nondeployed strategic arsenal is approximately 2,800 warheads and the U.S. tactical nuclear arsenal numbers 500 warheads. Additional warheads are retired and await dismantlement.
Legit numbers. So why are they messing with Russia? Maybe Jim Willie is right about those underground/water/moon cities.
I've read a bit on the near misses back in the Cold War. Don't expect the US military to be rational and keep us from Nuclear War. The politicians were the ones keeping us from that kind of war. The JCS were for Total War, which tends to escalate things...
Are we getting close to the crash? Da Boys probably figured out how far the "can" can go with studies funded with tax dollars. Along with those tax-funded bunkers/cities.
Might not make it till 2016...
Rather funny that our future may include wishing for a clean death.
They and their Allies had better start cranking out Tactical Nukes, to "deter" US's First Strike Doctrine and the freedom of US Commanders to use them w/o WH approval.
If you're gonna have MAD, you'd better have the full package -- lest the Neo-Ziocons think they have a "chance".
It is a lot easier getting in to California through Mexico than it is through Boston TSA
Committee of 300 = World Terrorists.
Until an Oligarch or CEO of TBTF runs into serious trouble from Russia, this is all aimed at the people of the world. I won't believe in a real threat of WWIII until then.
First off, any kind of preemptive strike by Russia would trigger a massive retaliatory counter strike by NATO. There is no way Russia could take out enough NATO nukes to survive the pay back. Any use of nukes would therefore be suicidal. Putin has too much to live for. He's rich, and I think he enjoys being a leader of a country that actually has a living population. Conventionally speaking, Russia is weaker than NATO and therefore the nukes are seen as the equalizer. Russia has to make the nuke threat credible, and that's what this is about. The problem with war, particularly between nuclear powers, is nothing ever goes exactly as planned. Things can get out of hand and people can make poor decisions. We should avoid the whole situation and stay the hell out of Russia's back yard.
The homo Obomba needs a missile up his A$$ for a satisfying climax,
While the whole world is nuked.
America is the no.1 problem for the world.
America creates the problems and then tries to solve these.
America creates all the world's terrori$ts.
And now the Homo Obomba thinks that he rules the world.
The whole world (west+Aus+Jap+SKorea) is kneeling before the homo Obomba , who is taking the whole world to the Hell to which he himself belongs.
(remember the earth's core is radioactive / nuclear)
i dont subscribe to the nutjobs who whine about "Blame America first", because we citizens no longer own the USA-we are serfs and chattle-Wall Street, The Banks and MIC/Corporations who OWN America are to blame
but are citizen of usa, and do not move your ass to change things, coz you dont give a fuck until you got your foodstamps. so, excuse me to tell you this but, just...fuck you.
you have all guns & bazooka & stuff, but you dont have ballz to move a fucking inch againt your milicia police. too busy to stack food in cold chamber for doomsday...
you never won a single war ever,
you use 35% longer aicraft carrier to take off & landing comparaired others...
you are dumb anouth to elect a president which is fucking niger .... lmfao !
no big deal, on ww3 usa will be removed from map, for sure.
Anonymity produces balls size of grapefruit;
Light of day shrinks them to mustard seeds.
As an AMERICAN (now living in Ukraine and having traveled throughout many European and Asian countries), I have found that most people in various countries so NOT equate their country (its people) with their government.
I am still surprised how many Americans think of America and the U.S. government as being the same entity. THat was NOT the intention of the Founding Fathers and until the 14th Amenment (1868), there was NO such thing as a "U.S. citizen". Economist Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, the former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, always differentiates between the U.S. government (usually by using the term "Washington") and the country we call America. The people and the geographic area they occupy are America; the U.S. government is a small bunch of politcal clowns (backed by the big banks and large corporations) who want to contol the rest of us.
Dissent against policies of the U.S. goverment used to be highly valued in America - that is the prime reason for "freedom of speech" in the 1st Amendment.
As Mark Twain wrote,"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” Thomas Jefferson
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.” Thomas Paine (1737-1809) American Revolutionary and Author
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919) 26th US President
"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country." – Theodore Roosevelt
“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right--a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit.” Abraham Lincoln [1848]
“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.” Henry L. Mencken (1880-1956), Journalist and Author
“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” Edward Abbey (1927-1989)
We are reluctant to admit that we owe our liberties to men of a type that today we HATE and FEAR -- unruly men, disturbers of the peace, men who resent and denounce what Whitman called ‘the insolence of elected persons’ – in word, free men…” Gerald W. Johnson (1890-1980), American Journalist and Author
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[Dan 7:19-21 KJV] 19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth [were of] iron, and his nails [of] brass; [which] devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 20 And of the ten horns that [were] in his head, and [of] the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even [of] that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look [was] more stout than his fellows. 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Cornering a bear seems to be even worse idea then cornering a rat.
Hot news post from SHTF:
orn says: Gotta work on Thursday 9/11, the bug out/get home bag will be in the car.But,if Barack Obama suddenly decides to fly to Scotland for a round of golf to show off his new kilt (OK, we all know on BHO it would be more of a skirt than a kilt) and Joe Biden is suddenly incommunicado, Harry Reid and MS Pisslosi (sic) have a fund raiser at an undisclosed location, and Debbie Washerwoman Shultz is going to a hair straightening appointment in Key West…I might throw an extra can of ammo and some more water in the trunk.
Scrappy out.
Iskander is a small theatre missile, not ICBM.
Russia will adopt it to a medium range, up to 3000km, something, what pioneer, ss-20, was.
However, this is doubleedge sword.
US deployed as an answer nuclear tomahawks.
However this is good, that Russians do go out.
As for China, they claim some 40 to 80 ICBMs.
If they report this number the same way, they report their Gold holdings, then this number needs one zero added at the end.
However the pakistani and the indian nukes (conventional, Hiroshima type, a litte bit bootsed) representing 0,5% of Ru/Us combined, ARE ENOUGH TO KILL ALL THE LIFE ON THE EARTH.
Any talk like this should have every person on earth out protesting, arresting politicians.
has the world gone mad???????????????????????????
NATO policy since collapse of USSR was to circumvent MAD by placing antimissile shield around russia so that russia's response would not destroy USA
Then threat of preemtive attack is nutz
I am not sure this guy is active military. There is some telling he is out since 2006.
Where is Rogozin on this? He is quite the joker.
Ou boy ruskies goes with nuke threat again just like in USSR times.
nothing has changed since then in their minds, they still miss USSR
http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2009/1223/Why-nearly-60-percent-of-R...
And no pro-putin regime troll can explain that
only an idiot would take your psycho babble seriously
Are you saying that poll data is fraud? Or you simply trolling around?
WHY do we even allow the corporate lie filled MSM to exist? They control all the information we get, and we get ONLY what suits their balance sheets and profits....they also tow the .Gov line all the way; After the WMD fiasco-you would think people would have had enough or be awake to the bullshit they peddle..
I dont see you protesting about Putin regime contolling Russian media.