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Ukraine, Separatists Agree On Cease-Fire; EU May Suspend Sanctions
UPDATE: So far no good...*HEAVY ARTILLERY BLASTS HEARD IN UKRAINE'S MARIUPOL: RIA
While we had grown weary of trashed truces and snapped cease-fires in Israel, it appears, according to Interfax, that Ukraine and the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine (having gained notably over the army in recent days) have agreed a cease-fire:
- *UKRAINE, SEPARATISTS AGREE ON CEASE-FIRE FROM 6PM TODAY: IFX
- *POROSHENKO: PRELIM. PROTOCOL TO CEASE-FIRE SIGNED IN MINSK: BBC
Great news, especially for Merkel (and Hollande) who has already come out and noted that the cease-fire means EU could suspend sanctions (saving face and avoiding some further escalation). The question is - how much of Putin's 7-point-peace-plan will Ukraine acquiesce to? If any?
As WaPo notes,
Poroshenko did not specifically address the “Putin plan,” as it was dubbed by the Kremlin, but he said that the time had come to end the conflict.
“The first task is peace,” Poroshenko said in a statement. “Today at 5 a.m. I spoke to President Putin about how we can stop this horrible process. There is no denying that people must stop dying.”
As The BBC reports,
“Ukrainian President says preliminary protocol to a ceasefire agreement has been signed in Minsk. Hope that ceasefire might start later”
- GOVERNOR OF UKRAINE'S DONETSK REGION CONFIRMS UKRAINE PEACE PLAN SIGNED, AWAITING DETAILS OF PLAN
- *UKRAINE REBELS READY TO STOP FIGHTING: PLOTNITSKY
As DPA adds,
Ukrainian government representatives and leaders of the pro-Russian separatists in the country's east sign a bilateral ceasefire agreement that goes into force later Friday, the Interfax news agency reports exclusively.
The 14-point agreement also regulates the monitoring of the ceasefire and prisoner exchanges. It was signed after almost two hours of talks in the Belarusian capital Minsk.
The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic has confirmed the ceasefire agreement on its official Twitter account.
??????: ? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ? ??? ? ??? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ? 18.00 ???????
— ??? ?????????? (@press_dnr) September 5, 2014
European leaders are happy (for now)
- *MERKEL SAYS VERIFIED CEASE-FIRE COULD SUSPEND ANY SANCTIONS
- *MERKEL: ANY FURTHER RUSSIA SANCTIONS COULD BE SUSPENDED AGAIN
- *MERKEL SAYS EU SANCTIONS THREAT REMAINS IN FORCE
But as Bloomberg's Leonid Bershidsky notes,
"All these sanctions were like poultices for a dead man," a distraught Yatsenyuk said today. "They did not help." He called for the West to freeze Russia's assets and financial transactions to force it to withdraw. The West, however, is unlikely to go that far. The sanctions have already contributed to economic contraction in Germany, and Europe cannot afford much more pain. Military aid is not an option: There is no country in the world where voters would back a war with Russia.
The Western world will probably wiggle out of its moral dilemma by blaming Poroshenko for being deaf to Russia's legitimate concerns about preserving Ukraine's status as a buffer state. No matter how unfair that sounds, Ukraine is now faced with the necessity of making concessions to Putin. It will take some time to sink in, but help of the kind Kiev really needs is probably not coming. Unless Poroshenko finds it in himself to bargain, eastern Ukraine may well end up a Russian-controlled no man's land like Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria. There is no face-saving solution for anyone anymore.
* * *
My international negotiations in Brussels and Minsk demonstrated a powerful request for peaceful political-diplomatic settlement of the conflict in the Donbas. The same mood dominated during my meetings with global leaders at the NATO Summit in Wales.
The entire world strives for peace, the entire Ukraine strives for peace, including millions of Donbas residents.
The highest value is human life. We must do everything possible and impossible to terminate bloodshed and put an end to people's suffering.
Taking into account the call for ceasefire of President of Russia Vladimir Putin addressed to the heads of illegal armed groups of the Donbas and the signature of the protocol at the meeting of Trilateral contact group on the implementation of the Peace plan of the President of Ukraine, I order the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to cease fire starting from 18:00, September 5.
I also instruct the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine to ensure jointly with the OSCE an efficient international control over the compliance with the ceasefire regime which must be exclusively bilateral.
I hope that these agreements, including ceasefire and liberation of hostages, will be strictly observed.
* * *
Extend the process with no further sanctions until the winter, then Russia is in charge and holds all the leverage... perhaps that's why the market is not exuberantly rallying on this apparent de-escalation.
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But will the Nobel Prize Winner's Blackwater mercenaries agree to the ceasefire? This will be a very short ceasefire.
Its friday, must put out blatent lies to ensure markets close green over the weekend.
What did I tell you. delete 100k from jobs, de-escalate. Happy Friday. Get your trades in correctly?
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I doubt this holds. It's just another break for everyone to reposition. Uncle Satan's official forces on Ukrainian soil is a big fucking deal, regardless of the excuses.
It won't hold. Porkyschenko is a psychopathic killer (typical mafia boss) who is playing for time while the novorossiyans are consolidating and fortifying their positions.
Most of the Uke regular units are surrounded in cauldrons. The Right Sector "Punisher" units bravely retreated earlier, while leaving a bunch of civilian corpses behind them.
They really do need to get their army out before they lose it. Right now they are negotiating over whether or not the troops will have to strip to their underwear before they are allowed to walk out.
"Extend the process with no further sanctions until the winter, then Russia is in charge and holds all the leverage."
Or get a ceasefire to stop a conflict that Ukraine was losing badly. Take time to re-think, re-stock and re-position before re-suming.
Would love to be a fly on the wall at that NATO meeting. I wonder if it was like herding cats?
The timing has nothing to do with this does it?
The Dutch Safety Board plan to announce their preliminary findings on Tuesday
http:// www.theguardian.com/world/ 2014/sep/04/mh17-crash-investigation-report-preliminary-findings
I thought the parties to the investigation were under some sort of non-disclosure agreement.
Sounds like the Ukie Junta and Novorossiyans both want to regroup before their next battles.
Kf4-e4++.
Nice move Vlad. Nice move.
Listen,
There is no sense in a re-group. These cowards are out-fucking-gunned by the vastly superior country called Russia. That is why they go crawling to NATO, crying, and crying. "Oh we need help or we will get CRUSHED!"
Sick-em Big V! And don't leave any opposition alive!
They are going to acquiesce all 7 points or they're going to freeze their asses off in Merkeland.
It really is that simple.
Putin didn't just shove it up Obie's ass again, did he? I wonder if he's getting bored yet.
"Putin didn't just shove it up Obie's ass again, did he?"
How rude and undiplomatic (though Obozo's battered rectum would agree with you...)
The right sentence would be "pulling the rug from under your foe's feet". While Obozo is showing off his sausage arms Putin signs a peace treaty. Brilliant!
If the ceasefire persists then Putin/Europe just fucked Obama in the ass. If it breaks down and hostilities resume then I'm going long Iodine....
It is what we have become now. If we pay people not to work, we sure as hell couldn't have a problem with paying mercs not to kill.
"All these sanctions were like poultices for a dead man," a distraught Yatsenyuk said today. "They did not help." He called for the West to freeze Russia's assets and financial transactions to force it to withdraw.
The Ukrainains - all of them need to go to Kiev and hunt down Yats, Porky and the other dual citizen oligarchs and traitors and put them on trial. They need to get what Mussolini and Cheaucescu got for the genocide they did against the Ukrainian people. Waterboard them first to find out who stole the gold and who gave the order to shoot down the airliner.
F Yats and Porky plus the rest.
I'm sure the typical Ukrainian is just a flag waving idiot, much like the typical 'Merican.
Justobserving, I suspect that the Blackwater guys may decide to bug out given the risks.
http://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2014/08/us-mercenary-killed.html
Imagine getting shot by an anti tank gun.
Any American merc or anyone over there fighting for the Junta is an idiot and deserves the Darwin award.
These Novoroyissians know how to fight and it is no bullshit when it is game on. If the poor Ukrainain conscripts walk then they will leave them alone. If they try to escape fighting in a break out then the sepratists will wipe them out.
The junta was using artillery against their own men trying to surrender.
These dumb people need to go get Yats and Porky plus the rest of the dual citizen oligarchs and those behind the junta.
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
It must be a second one then. Quite a time ago there were report about one killed the same way in the Donetsk region.
Obviously they use the WWII 'Simonov' type 14.5 mm anti-tank rifle modified as a long range sniper rifle because of the better body protection the Blackwater mercenaries are wearing.
And it shows what DIY ingenuity people may demonstrate, pressed to the wall, when lacking modern weapons but have numbers of old stock left after the dissipation of the USSR.
Shows you the difference between fighting against people ready, willing, and able to defend themselves, as opposed to... you know. Goat herders.
peace and prosperity breaking out - what a clown show
Don't worry, be of good cheer. The Ukies will fuck up again.
"Everything points to the fact that maybe some underground 'unofficial' channels between NATO and Russia have been mobilized, after a long time, so that to reach a - even temporary - ceasefire agreement in Ukraine. Neocons have ridiculously failed one more time. After the mess they brought in Iraq, they had this "brilliant idea" to support these militant groups so that to bring down Assad regime, which is attached to Russia, and probably destabilize Iran too. Now they are closing fronts and call everyone to destroy ISIS."
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/09/closing-fronts-to-deal-with-i...
The Russians hinted they will out the true Western owners if they keep this up....
It is not the Russians the owners are terrified of if that happens.
"...pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine (having gained notably over the army in recent days)..."
Gained exactly after NATO and others posted pics of Russian army going into Ukraine, 400+ Russian soldiers dead...
Russian mothers compiled a (growing) list of ~400 active duty Russian soldiers who were killed or wounded in Ukraine
http://tvrain.ru/articles/komitet_soldatskih_materej_sostavil_spisok_iz_...
If it holds Onenut, will your have to start beating your wife again for something to do ?
That 'Russian" mothers union ha already been exposed as US funded NGO.
Do you really believe this crap you disseminate ?
I could at least feel sorry for you in that case.
You are very obsessed with nuts, you may want to look into Grinder, you will find people with similar interests there.
Exposed by who exactly? Are you saying those 400 sodliers are not dead?
You are quoting a known disinformation sourced controlled by an american NGO. I know it is BS because using a round number like 400 is typical of the mathematically challenged idiots that write this crap. Beside, where is the list of names of the socalled dead russian soldiers.>
Everything anti-Putin is disinformation? TVRain(Dozdj TV) is one of the few opposition TV channels in Russia. Going by your logic, ZH since its mostly critical of the US is funded by the Russian NGO? You would believe if the number was 398 or 407?
paid by the keystroke?
paid by the post?
paid by whom?
look, simply tell your boss, no point in working on ZH, there are easier targets.
"are you high or just incredibly stupid"?
Those poor Russian mothers must be suffering.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2014/augus...
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Anyway, there are many disinfo "news" outlets other than the atrocious MSM, and yes, Rain has dubious funding, connections, and agendas. There are hundreds of similar outlets. Digging just one single inch below the surface on many these "news" outlets can yield interesting and eye opening results.
One of my personal favorites is the "Kyiv Post", which is often quoted as a source for other stories which rely on "reports from Ukraine" to deliberately reprint lies. It has a very interesting disclaimer. It reads:
"Editor’s Note: This article is produced with support from mymedia.org.ua, funded by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Denmark and implemented by NIRAS and BBC Media Action, as well as Ukraine Media Project, managed by Internews and funded by the U.S.Agency for International Development. Kyiv Post+ is a special project covering Russia’s war against Ukraine and the aftermath of the Euromaidan Revolution. Content is solely the responsibility of the Kyiv Post."
I shit you not.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraine-regroups-as-russia-attac...
I threw out some hasty starter links for anyone who wishes to go on a scavenger hunt down the rabbit hole and see for themselves how deep it goes.
Happy hunting; send my regards to the mad hatter....
Not to speak that I doubt some of these 'mothers' have children at all. At least not grown enough to be fit for soldiers.
They may well be a US funded organisation. This is Moscow's reply
MOSCOW, September 05. /ITAR-TASS/. The Russian Defence Ministry at the request of the Union of the Committees of Soldiers’ Mothers has specified the whereabouts of the servicemen whose relatives have had no contact with them for a long time, a ministry spokesman said Friday.
“The Defense Ministry has very seriously taken the appeal of the Union of the Committees of Soldiers’ Mothers of Russia regarding the whereabouts of the servicemen who have had no contact with their relatives for a long time,” the spokesman for the personnel department of the Russian Armed Forces told ITAR-TASS.
He said that the department received on September 2 an inquiry from the Union’s secretary Valentina Melnikova who requested to specify the whereabouts of nine servicemen whose relatives had no information about them for a long time. “Heeding her request, we have found this out and replied within a day,” the army spokesman said.
According to him, all the soldiers, specified in the request, are engaged at planned manoeuvres and field exercises with their units: “Eight guys have already called their relatives and friends, as we demanded that the commanders control this. We have not found the whereabouts of only one serviceman so far,” the defense official said.
He said the name of this soldier was being specified through Melnikova. “As soon as we get his name, we will ensure his contact with the relatives within a day,” he said. The defense official called “constructive” the dialogue with the secretary of the Union of the Committees of Soldiers’ Mothers. “Specific data and clearly put questions ease our efforts in sorting out the situation and allaying the relatives’ concerns,” he said.He said not all representatives of human rights organisations are ready to work constructively. “Some of them prefer undisguised publicity stunts, shamelessly circulating shocking statements about hundreds of missing Russian soldiers. Not bothering to grasp the situation, they make far-reaching conclusions about alleged loss of whole units,” the spokesman said.
“They have been so far ignoring all our requests to provide the details on the guys sought by their parents,” he said.
Why does your CIA funded Russian Mothers site only list 32 names? Where are your fantasy 400? US army probably has 32 soldiers killed in bar-fights and road accidents every 3 months.
There were over 300 suicides in the US Army alone in 2013. Down a bit from 2012, but still horrendous.
http://www.army.mil/article/119301/Number_of_suicides_in_Army_drops_in_2...
RisingSun... I take it from your avatar and moniker you are an admirer of Adolph Hitler or at least his methods. And from your two week membership on this site that you and others were sent here by someone to convince a bunch of free thinkers and independents who value truth above all else that they should not be so free thinking and independent minded, nor should they value the truth. I have only one message for you and your ilk: you are wasting your time. You only strengthen our resolve.
He isn't trying to convince anyone of anything. His job is to take any rational discussion and sabatoge it with hate-filled lies in an effort to turn every thread into emotionally charged, name-calling arguments.
This is their job. They don't seek to educate, but rather, seek to destroy any possibility of discussion via triggering of angry rebuttals. It's all about gaming the signal to noise ratio.
Divide and Conquer 101.
There have been trolls on here that were quite good at 'derailing', its something to look out for, definitely.
Then again, just yesterday I derailed a thread about impending nuclear war by joking about Joan Rivers.
Seems the EU is already feeling the chill in the air!
Putins like " suck it bitchez"
"Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!" (in my best Gomer Pyle voice).
you know, i think i'll buy some more real SILVER money today...
call me crazy....
Europe will remove sanctions but will Putin continue to set up altrrnatives to SWIFT, the dollar and European suppliers?
Europe bit off more than it could chew and now it's gagging, hence the ceasefire.
Hilarious to see the DAX zoom skyward on this fucking nonsense - and then get a second wind after the US employment data showed that apart from Birth-Death scam-tistics, only about 5 people are getting a wage.
If you look at the DAX this week, it's clear that nobody believed that the US was going to do shit about Russia (and that the "Russkies on the Ukraine border - trust us, we brought you Saddams WMDs" narrative was a lie).
I'm no fan of Putin, but it's quite fun to watch him flip off the fucktards who were very recently jerking off to strains of "We are a hyperpower: we make our own reality".
If you were a DAX trader, would you make a "pointed bet" and go home with your swag full of long index futures positions? (the correct answer is "HELL NO").
This whole show's gotten a lot more interesting since that slow start in the Spring - it's like they got all new writers or something. Whatever, wasn't yesterday's episode, where that Russian guy was talking about PREEMPTIVE NUCLEAR STRIKE exciting! Man, this is almost as good as Walking Dead.
Ah, the good Ol' days whaen sanctions against another sovereign nation where actually considered an act of War.
Can we get an Ebola cure before the close.
Are you not enetertained with your daily distraction citizens? Now shut up and BTFD.
Only to collapse on Sunday during the NFL games.
Cease fire now with the guns and bullets...but start the war again in january with natural gas...never trust a KGB agent
I'd rather trust a KGB agent than a Washington wanker....
Over decades Russia has not once missed to fullfill it's gas and oil treaties with European countries. Not a revolution and not state bancrupty had lead to the slightest problems! In fact Russia is EXTREMELY reliable when it comes to that.
But since USrael has implemented the first ZOG in Ukraine roughly 15 years ago, there have been always problems. The Ukrainian ZOGs even cutoff gas for transit to Europe and the Ziomedia have withheld this fact and portrayed it, as if Putin was playing with the gas card.
Reliability is in the interest of Russia, while the City of London and New York tries to create problems in Europe, to avoid the natural axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow, of a united and peaceful continent.
Its a bit more complicated, as its City of London (financial district), Wall St (financial district), Frankfurt (financial district), Basel (just a HQ), Washington DC (operational HQ, for intel, military), Vatican.
Throw in Tel Aviv and Hollywood, add a dash of Rothschild and there you have it. The Coles Notes version of "World Domination: The Powers behind the Curtain".
I think I get the message: Sell goled, buy stawks bitchez!
Is the EU working for Putin? Suspend sanctions to allow him to consolidate his conquest?
Just give him the eastern side of the country and lets move on to some dress malfunctions....
The US/EU probably did not like what they found on the Black boxes....
Since when is USrael in Europe and Russia not, Shlomo?
What is this Europe that you speak of?
Some map words? Is Crimea on that same map? what color is that "country"
Continents don't matter, power relationships matter, at least to the oligarchs of both sides.
Both sides?
Did I miss something?
Is Russia poisioning it's people with GMO food, while Ukraine is becoming the newest colony of USrael?
Is the Russian oil industry sold out to New York or is shale oil in Ukraine being established with USrael's vice president's son Biden making some money?
Is Russia increasing it's souvereignity or is even Ukraine's pipeline system and land being sold out to the IMF and the international hyenas?!
And if you talk about Crimea: you should mention that Crimea is Russian and was given to Ukraine during the Soviet Union for political reasons, but not because it was Ukrainian.
Are you a fan of Soviet Russia? Why do you support unjust and artificial borders?
There was a referendum and the result is clear. Are you against the right of self determination? That would fit to the enforced concept of mass immigration into the gentile's lands, while Israel follows a policy of ethnic cleansing.
Shlomo, the world is seeing who is behind all the evil going on, be it in Europe or in the islamic world and your stupid and primitive lies are slowly losing their power over people: the information monopoly of Jewish MSM has finally been broken by the internet. Since then the world rubs it's eyes and slowly begins to recognize how the enemy of mankind operates by creating problems and if that's not enough, by producing false flags (MH17) or shooting at both sides (Maidan). STFU!
Who is this Shlomo you keep referring to?
Other than that, I have no idea what your point or your position is. But I am sure it is my fault for not getting mine across.
1 glass Lagavulin for you.
*POROSHENKO: PRELIM. PROTOCOL TO CEASE-FIRE SIGNED IN MINSK: BBC
Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
To President Putin
Be expecting a fresh round of new foreign recruits to regroup what is left of "Porko's" regulars...
To the ehtnic Russians in Ukraine... Ask for more of those ISIS mercenaries to keep 'em coming, especially the ones from Israel, U.S. and U.K. cause it's the kind of "cleansing" you can really take pride in!
Don't look now but I see many "Kiev regulars" trophy body part(s) in pickle jars that will never make it home to America to be passed down from generation to generation in Ukraine!
The oligarhs might get to "save face" and keep the gas and oil flowing? Gee, imagine that. Make peace accord, now start demanding Rubles for all natural resources. Look at the gas and oil exports of Russia and South America. They are just about half the total market on earth.
All the chaos in South America is making more sense now. Just imagine if South Americans were organized enough to actually get together with Russia on a new energy backed currency.
If I were Putin, I'd count the silverware before Poroshenko leaves the table. He's a pathological liar. Can't be trusted. Evil man. He's just buying time because he was going down and about to lose it all. But he'll be back at it, trying to destablize and undermine eastern Ukraine. He wanted the whole pie as does the West. They just want some time to regroup so they can come up with a new plan, which will include NATO membership. That's when the real showdown will begin.
If I were Putin, I'd count the silverware before Poroshenko leaves the table. He's a pathological liar.
Just like the people who put him on the map and had great plans for him 6 years ago if those Wikileaks are all true!
If I ever shook Putin's hand, I would check to make sure I still have my ring afterwards.
If I ever shook Porkie's hand, I would check to make sure I still have all my fingers.
Wait a second, if Putin is presenting the "peace plan", isn't that de-facto admission of direct involvement? At that point it starts looking like "proxy war".
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No.
"Wait a second, if Putin is presenting the "peace plan", isn't that de-facto admission of direct involvement? At that point it starts looking like "proxy war".
merlin
Just ask yourself how you'd feel if you had Russia sending mercenaries to your home in Toronto with your extended family living throughout New York and Vermont worried if you and the kids will make it to safety "alive" across the U.S. border as you are dealing with daily shelling on your house?..
To the "Nulanders" that furnish comment(s) here I think it's irrelevant at this point as to whether or not Russia is indirectly or directly involved!
Fucking evil and deranged hypocrites the lot of you!
Putin made it very clear that any deal would be between Kiev and the Freedom fighters. Russia is not a party to the deal but has (unlike EU, NATO etc) been trying to broker a ceasefire. The west has done nothing to try and bring a ceasefire,and have urged Kiev to keep murdering its citizens.
Are you intentionally misrepresenting "presenting" with "signing," or are you really too ignorant to understand the difference (all while using it as a basis to blame Putin rather than Nuland, et al.)?
Of course, could always be both, huh?
That damn Carter, his involvement in all those mediations obviously means admission of direct US involvement.
Jew Yatsenjuk and his tribe will not be amused!
C'mon Vlad, now order us THREE more Mistral warships :
- one to tame Estonia
- one to tame Lituania
- one to tame Letonia
French workers will thank you!
Ivan asked for/offered similar last year, but the ZOG in Kiev figured killing the separatists was needed for IMF bondage.
So here's the deal - ZATO wants more time to muster its mercs and artillery and to get a few more boats, including unterseaboots.
"RUSSIA" will break the peace, like we are assured from an objective, reliable media, it is always the Palis who do... but will the false flag be done by the Ukrainian puppet regime, one of the oligarchs sua sponte, the Americans, or Israel?
Maybe ISIS turns up having Russian gear. This isnt over. Even here, the fuckwits parroting the MSM Neocon, war horny, zioglobalist line is stunning.
The only thing that could stop the American Banking Empire's march to war is internal revolt and expulsion of the Nulands and Woolseys and Cheneys and Kagans - but that, apparently, ain't gonna happen. Which means decades of the same fuckery, brought to you by the same cliques of warmongers.
The Ukie junta is losing hence the negotiations for peace. The USSA lost this round, but will continue fighting to the last Ukrainian.
Notice that these fuckwit parrots are all very new here. Have we actually outed all of the older sock-puppets, or are they run by a different group?
Heres my peace plan demands if i were putin
1. Ukraine, pay your fucking delinquent gas bill
2. poroshenko confesses to authorizing the downing of that mal plane
3. poroshenko admits that he escalated the entire conflict at the behest of the west
4. poroshenko admits hes been false flagging up the ass, even having his helicopter gunships fire on his own troops, dressing his troops in seperatist uniforms to frame russia, among many other deceptions
5. russia keeps crimea and joe bidens son must gtfo of ukraine at once
6. drop bullshit sanctions immediately
7. a public, heartfelt apology from golfing bozo
8. fuck you all for starting shit up
I like your list but Obama would be more likely to abandon Reggies ass and admit that Michael/Michelle is a tranny than give a heart felt apology.
I hope you don't have any medical procedures planned LL.
"I'm no fan of Putin, but it's quite fun to watch him flip off the fucktards who were very recently jerking off to strains of "We are a hyperpower: we make our own reality"
Comment of the week! Bravo!
Deal with ruskies is not even worht that paper it's written on.
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum/25280...
Useless talkings.
viedoklaizi_dirsa, why the resort to copy and paste so soon? This comment is identical, with the same misspellings, as this one.
Propagandists are failing to renew their tricks...
you are my special favorite troll :) Please continue to discredit ruskies
That is a good fairy tale but far from reality.
Get a grip about your fabled past or produce a more satisfying streak of propaganda.
You can't even get your regurgitated, HACK propaganda sources linked without fixing the grammar? why dont you take a flying ___ off a cliff instead of waste our time..
Remember that the USA,UK, NATO all broke the Helsinki Agreement and International Law when they invaded Serbia and partitioned Kosovo off. Russia has not done anything as extreme as that. But if they did it would be as justifiable in International Law as what the West did with Kosovo. We broke and negated international law so we cant cite it now. The west tore it.
still:
I up-arrowed your comment because to me, it is a concise statement of the reason why I, and I feel many, many, others, are cheering on the Freedom Fighters in eastern Ukraine.
The hypocrisy of the West is beyond disgusting - it is criminal and should land people like Nuland in front of the International Court of Justice for war crimes and other crimes against humanity. (No use expecting the Black Racist US AG Eric Holder to investigate or prosecute - everyone in the Obama admin is TBTP. What a whore.).
For those who think those of us supporting the Freedom Fighters do so out of love for Putin or Russia, think again. While I can't speak for others, I can speak for myself and tell you what I love is the come-upance of the West. (If you are unfamiliar with American idioms, it means "the fucking in the ass with a gigantic, unlubricated, sandpaper, dildo")
My background includes writing for the NY Times; I have never been so disgusted by what the newspaper has become than I am now. It has turned from at least an attempt at journalism, into nothing but a cheap gang of drunken, drugged-up propaganda hacks. Nothing it prints about national, international, or economic, news is to be believed. And its continuing Death Spiral shows that I am far from alone in that feeling.
And the same is true of the US government; they are psycho liars vying for power disregarding all consequences for their actions. They have droned so many brown people that they think they can drone anyone and get away with it.
I'm very happy to see the Russians communicate the idea that they can't. Somebody has to bring this insane group of people back down to Earth. If history lets it fall to Putin, so be it.
As for Obama, I predict that after he gets out of office, he will tread very carefully outside the US. Somewhere, some group is looking to pull a "rendition" on him, and get him before the International Court of Justice for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. Common, basic, decency, demands this psycho serial mass murderer pay for his crimes.
So for you trolls on the West's list - take a hike with your propaganda.
I write that not because I am sold out to the Russians as you are to the West, but because I am sold out to the truth, to human decency, and to the end of this system of oligarchs and surfs.
I'd respectfully suggest there are many, many, here who feel the same.
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First thing that came to my mind was UN resolution 1244.
Get fucked, you mongoloid.
I'll miss seeing your neo swastika avitar when this is all said and done...and there's no sense in keeping you on the Kiev fascist payroll. I suggest you start sucking up to whoever might be in charge there in the future...starting about now.
The western corporatists are hoping this whole affair is quicky forgotten. Kiev is in a box...this drags out much longer and they won't have an army left at all...and the chances their western masters will save this Kiev "government" from an actual popular uprising later gets slimmer and slimmer by the day. If the Russians actually want to stop now...it will be done. And Ukraine will be relegated to "non story" status quickly by your "frinds" in the western MSM. They never cared about you...and everyone needs to make a living right? This is the company you keep and it tells a lot about a person.
As we explained over and over...Putin held the best cards here by far. You don't have to like the guy to know that. He didn't even have to play them very well to win the hand. If you are "for real" than at least a lesson was learned here hopefully...we all keep learning those. Don't trust politicians no matter where they happen to live. Your hopes and dreams...and literally your life...means nothing to them. It's not even an afterthought to a sociopath or a psychopath. Power is the name of the game and we are widgets used to quantify who has more at any given time...how many of us does "leader X" control? That's how score is being kept...money and resource allocation (the things of geopolitics) are just a means to that end...power and control.
To all my dear russkie trolls who so exausted follow my every comment here:
The power of Balts!
http://youtu.be/-PDSSoqaCp0
Well done. Such a failure.
ZH = Russian trolls? Seriously?
Friday Humor Tyler?
Viedoklis, is your avatar is some sort of Zionist swastika.
viedolklis, I banged a Latvian girl after I told her I would bring her back to the US. Are all Balts this stupid?
lol
When you dream, than close your eyes - banger ha ha ha
voodoo... is posting rubbish at ZH your daily full-time paid job?
Sorry US doesn't want this to stop, not enough civilians have died.
I smell a rat. Entire west gives up the anti russian propaganda just like that. Tues is MH17 investigation results. Did Putin agree to no blame assesment in return for Ukraine? Was nato meeting about how to stop war crimes charges against CIA. I definately smell a rat.
Na. Guess i should have another jack and have a nap.
Good idea, jack and a nap makes more sense than trying to understand this clusterfuck.
Dr. Jim Willie presents some important recent developments that bode ill for the dollar as Germany, France and other former allies and partners of the US are now aligning themselves with Russia, China and the BRICS bloc. Also, Willie’s source claims Blackwater mercenary group has been captured in Ukraine. “NATO is dead.”
http://sgtreport.com/2014/09/jim-willie-critical-geopolitical-monetary-u...
DR. Jim Willie is always worth listening to.This recent 90 minute piece is highly informative. Highly recommended!
lets see how long the fascist/Nazis can handle this. They must be screaming inside. PEACE & NO WAR = DEATH to these criminals. Obviously I prefer the former but know these criminals, they will try to disupt things. Lets hope peace can be had.
Peace at 6 PM European time !
Lost count of the score... Putin 10, Obummer 0 ?
I find it hard to believe that Rebels/Russia allowed the voice recorder to be given up so easily when it would have provided valuable evidence of the events all the way upto the downing. Did they get a copy of it somehow before it was given up....wonder if that was possible at all.
The communication between ATC and airpolane can be listened to by everyone, who invests $300 and buys the equipment. It means also by rtussian sigint (their equipment will be other grade and litte bit more expensive, I would say).
Besides the black boxes, the russians have sure the recordings of this communication.
If they spot a fighter, they listen automatically to the communication. Because fighter was in the proximity of MH17, I am confident, that RUssians DO HAVE THE COMMUNICATION. They just wait, what bullshit will UK/NATO try to put on the table and disclose the communication then.
Basics:
http://www.flightradio.com/
A simple radio:
http://www.a1telecom.com/theshop/connex-33hp-atc-amateur-radio.html
And there is even a live radion feed, just selected areas, DOnbas is not there (should you be boring in the office, turn it on and listen to the communication tower-to-pilot live real time) :
http://www.liveatc.net/
EU may suspend the sanctions.
Russia will impose new sanctions.
Now if it is peace maybe we will see another Coup Junta in Kiev!
So when they say the "two sides" are "agreeing to a ceasefire," don't they mean that the CIA/Mossad - installed, unelected bosses of Kiev have promised to stop killing innocent civilians who are trying to exercise a natural right of self-determination and secede. Right?
Chess moves ?
Judo moves ?
Kabuki moves ?
Poker bluff ?
Risk move ?
Go move ?
Golf lie or lay up ?
Which is active now ...
Hamrove:Dr. Jim Willie presents some important recent developments that bode ill for the dollar as Germany, France and other former allies and partners of the US are now aligning themselves with Russia, China and the BRICS bloc.
I uparowwed u.
Gee couldn't see this happening 6-9 months ago.
Starts as a spark, spreads like wildfire.
So far, for whatever it is worth,we have
a fair amount of information
on the positions of Putin and Porko.
I would like to hear more directly from
Zakharchenko, and to get more information
on Kolomoyski's intentions.
It would be a good move for the
separatists if they could take over
and retain Mariupol, as well as the
territory they presently hold as an
independent autonomous region.
This could establish a land corridor
along the sea of Azov running
between mainland Russia and
Crimea... If Russia were given
shared use of this corridor, I am sure
Putin would be willing to foot the
bulk of the cost of reconstructing
Eastern Ukraine that has been
destroyed by Kiev.
So the Paramilitary Ukrainian forces and the Ukrainian separatists are no longer fighting over control over the airport? Just sitting in place and drinking vodka hauled in by the Russian military trucks painted white ans not hauled in from a bankrupt -- and soon to be freezing -- Kiev?
Ceasefires allow forces to regroup and are followed by another assault. Global news reports examples of Libya and former Yugoslavia. There were ceasefires there too followed by another assault. The Ukraine ceasefire occurred when western Kiev forces were losing ground and men; so they agree to a ceasefire. What is Ukraine doing with the ceasefire? They are not working with Ukraine citizens to forge a peace but instead are lobbying NATO, IMF, and the United States for more munitions and money in order to initiate more combat. Just like Libya and Yugoslavia, the losing force agrees to a ceasefire, regroups, and goes back to battle. Ceasefires work when you stop feeding into it. The world should brace itself for some real Ukranian death and destruction in the coming 3 months
Thats one major step in the right direction
thanks zh & Tyler for keeping updated