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Putin, Poroshenko Speak; Kiev Church Says Russian "Under Satan's Spell", Locals Say "Ceasefire Just Theater"
So far, and contrary to most expectations, the latest ceasefire between Ukraine and the eastern separatists, which was announced early yesterday, has managed to hold up. "Contrary" because while it is the talking point of the west that it is Putin's desire to perpetuate the proxy civil war, in reality it was Ukraine's own troops who voiced against a ceasefire as we reported yesterday:
"A ceasefire would be a disaster, we would lose everything. By fighting we can resist the invasion and send them back. With a ceasefire they will consolidate and carry on after a while," said Ukrainian soldier Taras. Another Ukrainian soldier who gave his name as Mykola said Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko - who was attending the second day of a NATO summit in Wales on Friday - would "betray the country" if he backed a peace plan at this time."
Ironically, their rebel opponents share the same but opposite opinion: "The ceasefire is looking good for now but we know they (the Ukrainian side) are only using it to bring in more forces here and ammunition and then to hit us with renewed strength," said one rebel commander in Donetsk known by his nickname Montana.
In other words, both sides believe their adversary is merely using the break in the fighting to regroup and reinforce.
As to whether Ukraine's chocolate oligarch has betrayed his country remains to be seen, but for now the fighting has indeed subsided and the two main confrontation hubs, rebel-held Donetsk and Ukraine-held Mariupol, were quiet on Saturday, despite some isolated shelling overnight near Donetsk's airport, which remains in government hands. Mortar rounds were also fired at regular intervals through Saturday in the vicinity of the airport.
Perhaps to show its determination to preserving the peace, which is somewhat surprising because Putin has said all along he has no say in the Ukraine war, the Kremlin one hour ago released the following trasncript of a phone conversation that took place between the two presidents:
Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.
The discussion focussed on the situation in Ukraine in view of the Contact Group meeting in Minsk on September 5, where a Protocol on assisting a peaceful settlement in the southeast of the country was adopted. Both leaders expressed satisfaction with the fact that the parties to the conflict are generally complying with the ceasefire and stressed the importance of the OSCE monitoring the situation.
The two Presidents also touched upon ensuring the delivery of humanitarian aid to the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
The exchange of views also covered the consultations on the consequences for the Customs Union member-states of the entry into force of Ukraine’s Association Agreement with the EU.
Vladimir Putin and Petro Poroshenko agreed to continue their dialogue.
So as everyone is focusing on the breaking headline that will confirm the latest breach of the ceasefire, what is more important is that late on Friday, the European Union announced new economic sanctions against Russia but said they could be suspended if Moscow withdraws its troops and observes the conditions of the ceasefire.
Russia was not impressed and its foreign ministry responded angrily on Saturday to the measures, pledging unspecified "reaction" if they were implemented. Moscow responded to a previous round of U.S. and EU sanctions by banning most Western food imports. In other words, Europe's triple-dip recession is still guaranteed, regardless of what Draghi does or pretends to do (as noted before, even if this time he actually does more than just jawbone, Europe will not benefit in the least from the "Private QE" announced earlier in the week).
But while Putin is sure to respond to the EU's latest escalation, one person he will certainly have no response to is Patriarch Filaret, the head of Ukraine's Kiev-based Orthodox Church, who said Putin had fallen under Satan's spell and bore personal responsibility for all the bloodshed. As Reuters reports, Filaret, whose church broke from the Moscow Patriarchate in 1992 after the fall of the Soviet Union and the advent of an independent Ukraine, compared Putin, a baptised Orthodox Christian, to Cain, who in the Bible killed his brother Abel.
So based on western propaganda, Putin has now been compared to everything from Hitler, to Stalin, to Cain, to Satan. Clearly everyone is being objective and level-headed.
But for all the rhetoric and posturing, one person summarized it best:
In eastern Ukraine, despite the ceasefire, few expected the crisis to end anytime soon.
"This is no ceasefire but a theatre," said Donetsk resident Ksenia. "This war will go on for five to nine years. Slavs are killing Slavs, there can be nothing worse than that."
She is absolutely correct, and what's worse, the theater will continue for a long time.
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Winter is not the season for war.
It is if you're a Russian.
That was true back in Napoleons day. Today Black rain (nuclear fallout) is no better than Black snow.
Give Russia East UKr And Be Done With It... Putin WINS And Russia Stop There...
The Local People Will WIN As They Will Get CHEAP GAS And Russian Economy Access.
They Are Fighting Over Shithole Territory,
Only Valuable For Russia To Access The Sea.
Let The Poor Local People Live In PEACE.....
There is a greater chance that conflict continues to escalate until someone does something stupid.
It will hold until the prisoner exchange, That's what this temp cease fire is all about.
REMEMBER... This Is All About The MILLITARY$$$ INDUSTRIAL$$$ COMPLEX$$$ Inc.
They Prosper And Put Bacon On The Table By Making Fighting Equipment,
All Paid For By The TAXPAYERS...
WTF?! This time 2 years ago, on a day long highly topic and controversial thread you would have had a 500+ post count....
Are you guy's getting lazy or what?
Where is everyone?! Sept/Oct is when USA markets are programmed to crash. Isn't anyone excited about the geo-poly that causes them to start their splendid rollovers?
For a second there I thought you said "start their splendid REVOLVERS" !
And I'm all for that now too!
Perfect example of religion's use for fomenting ingroup-outgroup conflict.
Doing the State's bidding is in its nature.
Satan is in Detroit! http://www.freep.com/article/20140906/NEWS05/309060028/Detroit-Satanic-T...
Satan is able to control Putin by wireless even while in Detroit.
Putin bans Canadian pig imports & the pigs thank him!
The Ukie patriarch was excommunicated by the Russian Church in 1997. He is just another religious figure for hire, a cheap political whore.
""This war will go on for five to nine years."
Not at this rate.
Putin Rails Against New World Order, Unipolar Decision-Making, And Fake Democracy
------->
Now you know why they say he's under 'Satan's spell'!
Satan is able to control Putin by wireless even while in Detroit.
Hey Headbanger. Be careful of those concussions. There is a direct link to alzheimer's.
Also do not let your American kids play American football they will end up: "Entertainment Meat".
Actually from what I read north and west Ukraine is the "used up" and barren land and not useful any more (after thousands of years of cradle of western civilization). The east Ukraine has all the energy resources (if any, shale, etc.) and the farmlands.
A massive amount of farmland is in South and East Ukraine (Donbass) and sells to Russia. Biden's son is working for company in East Ukraine to find the energy resources.
So, Russia is actually fighting for the better parts of Ukraine...and the land-bridge to Crimea, and Sea of Azov defense.
Everything else you say is correct and should be agreed soon so there can be warmth this winter in Europe.
http://www.bbc.com/weather/703448
Ukraine is like California...a lot of warm waterfront and good farmland.
Odessa is like Los Angeles or San Fran for the Russian's, who don't get out much.
Crimea is like San Diego with the massive naval port.
"give"....better yet, SELL Russia the land bridge they desire in exchange for debt forgiveness. Every one walks away and starts over.
It's such a better solution that destroying things and killing people.
if i could give you more than one upvote, i would.
The problem is that someone is convincing Ukraine they're holding a winning hand with a pair of dueces.
Enter Church Lady.
Truth always upsets people in denial.
the ortodox priest in kiev has sided with the vatican. how much of 5 billion usd it took for this to happen?
The casefire is a good thing, only NATO has every intention to restart fighting when it suits it. Anyone with rough idea of map of the world knows donetsk is lot closer to russia than to berlin, london, vatican, brussels, washington, new york. Or KIev for that matter, which had been bought with 5 billion Usd. The End surelly is nigh and deservedly so.
You should read up on the Winter War between Russia and Finland one of these days.
I'm not your nanny in that avatar Eirik. I can teach you a thing or two.
ive been playing this computer strategy game .... hoi3 and as a result ive been reading a ton into the details of ww2 ... like ussr was trying to join axis powers ... also the best sniper who ever lived was a Finn he kille something like 500 russians in the winter war
Tell that to the Finns.
Don't bet on it with the Russians!
"Oh, I'm a hitler, you're a hitler, he's a hitler, she's a hitler, wouldn't you like to be a hitler too?"
10 little hitlers will fight it out till
9 little hitlers do the other ones' will
"I'm rubber, you're glue"
"Cain" Putin
Slavs fighting Slavs -- every Nazi's wet dream.
Christians fighting Christians -- ever Zionist's and Muslim's wet dream.
Country fighting country -- every Bankster's wet dream.
Humanity decimating itself -- every Luciferian's wet dream.
Humanity gone from Earth -- every demon's dream, and Satan's goal -- to prove God wrong: "So... How did Hope and Change work out for you, Lord? Still believe in humanity? I told you so."
That deluded priest should get acquainted with the NWO practices and policies if he's interested in Satanic influences, since Kiev is in its thrall
Poroshenkos puppet priest wouldnt have to scroll down to far into a Google search to see how Putin has often gone out on a limb to defend Christians, and promote Christianity.
Religion & its Puppets are nothing more than a tool / arm for State Control.
He may be as helpful to the cause of Christ as St. Olaf, who impaled the heads of those who would not convert to his brand of Christianity, as a warning to the people.
Who wins when both sides use their nukes?
That's the Mushroom Cloud of War. To answer your question, cockroaches.
The cartel wins again.
Cockroaches, spiders and other assorted arthropods, and anybody who manages to be outside of the blastzones and fallout zones that can survive there. Nation-states all lose.
Nobody at survives if a dozen or so nuclear reactors spent fuel pools dry up and catch fire.
Long Prime Ordial Sludge , BTChez.
Cockroaches was just what I was about to say!
Don't forget Keith Richards. If they could meld his genes with a cockroach The Alien itself would get its ass kicked Mano-a-Mano.
(Hey Keith if you're reading this nonetheless stay away from palm trees, man.)
"Slaves killing slaves, there is nothing more satisfying than that." -Victoria "Cookie Monster" Nulland, NATO Puppet.
Slavs are killing Slavs
McCain and Nuland can celebrate.
“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” Mandela
I want to see Slavs killing dual citizens, oligarchs, mercenaries and hopefully a few NeoCons in Kiev - who CAUSED this shit!
As well as a few dual citizens, oligarches, mercenaries and NeoCons in Moscow - who PERPETRATED it!
I think the Native Tribes in N. Am. figured this out. Eventually. When it was too late. "Beware of White Chief with Peace Agreement"
Many people think that this thing called a "Neocon" or NWO are new phenomenon, since the Bush Sr era. Not so. Actually, it's only a clever repackaging of a very old idea, a very old movement from the 1800s: MANIFEST DESTINY. Read up on it.
Those with a (decent) Canadian or British education, will recall that the reason that the British and French monarchs put aside their centuries-old feuds, was to stop American Imperialism in the New World. Both feared that the US would take Upper and Lower Canada (Ontario and Quebec), with the former governed by the British and the latter by the French. It was how and why "Canada" was eventually formed: to stop US Expansion.
American Global Imperialism, its NWO and Expansionist-NATO are merely "Extreme Makeovers" of Manifest Destiny, to get... MANIFEST DESTINY 2.0 -- The Global version, New & Improved. Run by Ziocons.
There are 3 basic themes to MANIFEST DESTINY:
3 key themes were usually touched upon by advocates of Manifest Destiny:
i. The virtue of the American people and their institutions; <-- American Exceptionalism
ii. The mission to spread these institutions, thereby redeeming and remaking the world in the image of the United States <-- NWO
iii. The destiny under God to do this work. <-- "Doing God's work"
Note: It (almost?) sounds like they were/are Special People, "Chosen" by God himself. Now let me think.... where else have we heard this notion ('Chosen People') before? Neo-cons or Zio-cons?
I saw Satan at the bars last weekend. Poor guy, he was hammered and sullen. Says he's sick of humans blaming all of their bullshit on him. "Fuck man, I'm just the bad guy character. Why do you gotta kill people and blame it on me?" :-(
Sorry to hear about your bar buddy Satan, tell him to go visit some of his relatives in a place called WDC!
If Satan had any balls, he would skate empty pools like we did when were kids. This was before skater shoes, gloves, pads, helmets, and all that bullshit.
F Satan! Satan don't surf!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWW1FeT1EyQ
Rock on dude.
Two ants walk into a chocolate bar...
Ant 1: So, these beings used to rule the world?
Ant 2: Yup. The whole universe, I heard. Some say they were gods, who could take our lives at a whim.
Ant 1: [bites into chocolate bar] Sweet.
Winter kills...
Nobody has compared Putin to Capt. Jean-Luc Picard: "Make it so."
The Borg make an interesting metaphor: Picard's White Whale (c/o YouTube)
Also, nobody seems to have yet compared Putin to Xenu
Go figure...
.
Oh, it won't be long now...
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/colonelcassad/19281164/405343/405343_1000...
"Locals Say "Ceasefire Just Theater""
Of course it is just a theater since Russian terrorist bastards attacked and killed members of Aidar battalion earlier today/last night, so much for that "cease fire".
"There were some reports from pro-Kyiv sources of attacks on Donetsk airport -- which is held by Ukrainian forces -- and a handful of other areas overnight. One unconfirmed report from the all-volunteer, pro-Kyiv Aidar battalion said 11 of its fighters had been killed in an ambush early on September 6."
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/26569719.html
They(Pro-Russian terrorists) even boasted about it on their Twitter account TODAY after cease fire.
Green arrow for irony, or red for ignorance
Dont care about your arrows, if you fight then you fight, if there is a cease fire then why do they attack Ukrainian army and then post pictures of dead soldiers killed under "cease fire" on twitter?
Sun,
"One unconfirmed report from the all-volunteer, pro-Kyiv Aidar battalion "
HAhahahahahahahhahhahhahah......volunteered by getting the Blue Paper, forcing their volunteered consent.
Troll.......Go suck Porky's Dick you fuckn' liar!
Here you go straight from Russian Terrorists themselves:
NSFW 18+
https://twitter.com/NovorossiyaInfo/status/508246972810399744/photo/1
https://twitter.com/lennutrajektoor/status/508204390109691905/photo/1
Btw whats up with you Pro-Putler guys and sucking cocks and nuts? You are not the only one obsessed with sucking dicks, Churchil on here was very interested in my nuts. You guys should join grinder.
Save the ad hominems, do you have something else to offer, something that could save your pitiful attempt at propaganda?
Stooge my friend, theys haves ways ovfs making you laugh.
Notice the mass influx of cunts on ZH recently my friend?
They be getting desperate, and dont feed them...
;-)
Ah, but RisingSüdi is so much fun to kick around. He might even be more retarded than his buddy viedoklaizi_dirsa.
Fortunately, those two idiots are not representative of Latvians in general. At least the mayor of Riga is talking sensibly:
http://m.baltictimes.com/article/jcms/id/35514/
funny... here's a video about "Batman" (notice the flag on the APC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH3yid1LHeA
the guys kicking your asses. :-)
Propagandists like RisingSüdi can't even fathom how poor their propaganda is.
Made my day. Totally unconnected to reality.
Hey Stooge, those pics by Russian terrorists are not real? I mean they posted it themselves next to the dead Aider soldiers?
"NSFW 18+
https://twitter.com/NovorossiyaInfo/status/508246972810399744/photo/1
https://twitter.com/lennutrajektoor/status/508204390109691905/photo/1"
Propagandists like RisingSüdi have grown incredibly cocky in their detached way to reality.
Obviously Stooge is just too dumb to discuss with, go on with your insults, probably will claim those pics are not real also lol even if they are from the terrorists themselves. Typical Kremlin TV propoganda victim. Btw did you buy your rubles today, they are at record lows vs USD, USD will soon collapse according to armchair analytsts on here and Russia got great economy & natural resources etc... ?
Ahhhh, the sweet world of projection. Using other people's supposed actions in order to justify yours.
Rhetorical question, RisingSüdi: do you realize how cheap your argumentation is and contemptful of others it shows you are?
It just shows how dumb you look, the civilized world is against the Russian invasion, but go on and wear your tinfoil hat and make sure that NSA is not spying on you, since your private life is so important to them :)
Good thing you ignored the pics posted by the terrorists themselves...
Unable to speak about themselves, unable to speak about what they do, always compelled to forge tales, well, those are Kievan Yatzi Junta citizens.
First of all, the civilized world is anything but civilized.
The us and its "allies" are nothing more than common thieves. Destroying peaceful nations, overthrowing governments, causing hovoc and then stealing their resources.
And if you could, please provide evidence these photos were not taken a month ago.
I hope those reports are correct, I hope every volunteer airde soldier gets executed, shown the same respect as the people of Odessa.
Especially that preggo cleaning lady, strangled and burnt by cocksuckers...kill everyone of them fuckers in her name take no prisoners.
How's that for discussion you POS.......You and Porky can go fuck yourself!
"Russia"'is truly a vast space.
Of course there are "volunteers." Of course there are "Russians." Nothing says "Russia" like vastness though.
Remember driving through Oklahoma where folks would wave just because they saw another person. Sometimes I think that's why we talk peace. "After talking to the wall al day I decided to talk to peace."
Why don't you Slavs get together and do something useful, such as driving the Turks out of Constantinople, rather than fighting amongst yourselves?
Now there's an idea! (not being sarcastic)
Within a generation, probably shortly after the european war when the turks will try something stupid as Russia ( they will think ) has their hands full with the west.
The pics are real, the question is whether or not the ambush happened before or after the cease-fire. Before, according to this link.
'"... the Battalion fell into our ambush. This happened yesterday, on the eve of the armistice, on the outskirts, Happiness".'
In response to: "... those pics by Russian terrorists are not real? I mean they posted it themselves next to the dead Aider soldiers?"
They don't like your moustache. The fear runs deep though this crowd.
Even the article states "The cease fire is under GENERAL compliance. But who cares for the details.
Either way the Ukrainian protagonist was planted with purpose so one can assume this charade will continue until it has been fulfilled.
Hopefully the Novoroyians get to Kiev and string up the oligarchs and dual citizeens who caused this before they piss off to that little Middle Eastern country they pledge their allegiance to.
How is Klitcko, Proky, Yats, Yulia, Nuland, Soros and the rest who looted the Ukraine's gold? Why are Ukies fighting for that criminal scum?
trolls so stupid now...
Aidar Battalion who? That battalion whose commander said he mined Lugansk power staion and that he will blow up it in the case the rebels kick them out of the region?
So that common people in Lugansk will have no power during winter?
Listen up, junior Trollmeister, we've put up and humored you politely because you claim to be some poor guy from one of those Baltic backwaters.
But at this point your free/easy ride is over at Fight Club.
If you lived in the crisis area, you may actually have some credibility, but as it is, you don't. You're just some pumped-up Useful Fool, acting like a "Dancing Fool" for US Zio-Cons, Banksters, and its MIC.
You're a cheap version of MDB, who was an ironic genius. I do not intend to waste more space or time by giving you undeserved attention.
Enjoy staying warm this winter and paying for Russian gas in Rubles or Gold.
-An American
Well, if the Church gets involved in this; amongst orthodox christians; Peter the Great must be squirming in his tomb in old Leningrad.
The devil is in the detail and God's will behind the facade of the altar of bonfire of vanities.
Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is telling the tallest tale of lies of them all?
forget the lies.
focus on the truth.
If that priest wants to see Satan, he should visit Hollywood or DC.
It's easier than that: Just get him American Cable TV.
Odessa massacre
Risingsun:Dont care about your arrows, if you fight then you fight, if there is a cease fire then why do they attack Ukrainian army then post pictures of dead soldiers on twitter?
...still waiting for the "invasion" pics heralded on Drudge Report a week ago.....10,000 Russian troops invade.
They got some SERIOUSLY good camo 'cause no one even snapped off a cell phone pic.
Got any leads?
How about the Russian "invasion" force with the white army trucks bringing food? Any pics?
I seem to recall they delivered food and humanitarian goods and turned around and went back into the "Evil Empire"
hahahahahahaahahahahahhaa
Nato provided pics, which of course you will claim are not valid since its not from the Kremlin TV( http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-the-russian-army-did-not-invade-ukraine/ ). Somehow shortly after those claims and pics of Russian invasion and 400+ dead soldiers reported by the Anti-Kremlin media, seperatists gained so much strength that they are taking over one town after another, where before that they were almost defeaded and held only areas around Lugansk and Donetsk.
That report of 400+ dead Russian soldiers was quickly called fake by Putinozoid bots here claiming it was sponsored by the NGO etc, if that made them somehow not dead:
Here is the article that refutes the claims that some of the Kremlin TV propoganda victims are saying in comments on here:
http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-russian-soldiers-mothers-got-caught-with...
Give it up already. Even the OSCE says there was no invasion.
And let's be honest — we'd all know if Russia had actually invaded because there would be Russian tanks in Kiev.
Yes good points.
Something to ponder is has Mexico 'invaded' California over the last 100 years ?
Define invasion and there might be some discussion.
I think Russia never left Belarus, Ukraine or some other "countries" in east Europe since the fall of USSR...yes, no ?
Mexico has been invited into California over the last 100 years.
Yes, businesses, farms, politicians, wealthy homeowners, all invited cheap labor. Of course nothing official.
Just as Russia was never 'officially removed' from Ukraine or contrary officially invited for the last 20 years.
Very similar circumstance, but just not many bullets flying in Cali...yet. The Cali drug trade greeces the machine and politix.
Similar the Ukraine gas business runs their organizations and keeps things going.
Dont overestimate the Russian military...Their military budget is almost the same as 1 EU Nato country, UK for example got military budget of 58bn, while the mighty Russia got 70bn. US military budget is almost 10x larger at 683billion. Russia cant afford a real war with Nato, it is a country full with drunks(life expectancy is barely 60 years) with declining demographics, their GDP per capita with all the gas is equal to the poorest countries in the EU.
Non sense, constant denial of facts. Lie over lie. Kievan Yatzi Junta citizens can not make sense within Kievan Yatzi Junta citizenism.
Wonders if this guy must be a carrott of traffic somehow for pushing out stuff like that.
Isn't it about time for Tyler to turf this fucking clown?
Turf for what, something I said here is not true? How much does it hurt you, that I point out how weak Russia really is? All they can do is invade even weaker and smaller countries than themselves: Georgia, Chechenya...now Ukraine. Lets not forget the horror and invasions Soviet Union did, which was also pretty much under Moscows control.
For trolling, troll.
Your "arguments" have been throughly discredited and demolished a hundred times over. Give it up.
If you say so :)
"All they can do is invade even weaker and smaller countries than themselves"
Like Vietnam, Libya, Haiti, Nicaragua, Honduras, Afghanistan, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, etc...
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Made me laugh with hearty vigour.
Cheap propaganda, offuscation, insanitation, sidetracking, pseudo knowledge is all what you have sold here.
Get on the page.
And now that you know, well, show your mental sanity.
Even though the only thing you are going to manage to show is your Kievan Yatzi Junta citizenism.
As long as you got the "right" kind of knowledge, I will take your word for it Stooge.
From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control.
Soviet was never a Russian construct.
Even Kruschev and Breznev were Ukrainian.
Can hardly say Russian is run by Russians until collapse and Russian Federation raised new country in real.
So on the one hand, Russia "invaded" Ukraine and it's the greatest threat to the world since Der Führer, and on the other hand, Russia is a piddly little country that poses a threat to absolutely no one.
This is the problem with lying all the time. You get all mixed up and can't keep all the lies straight and they end up contradicting each other.
Do you think if Rusia has invaded Ukraine they wouldn't have it ALL by now? Why would they invade and keep on invading and not be able to conquire it in 2 days? You are so full of shit your claims make absolutely no sense. As Putin himself said if he wanted Ukraine, he would have had Ukraine long ago. No need to hide and seek.
You shills are so ridicilous.
petkovplamen & molotov.
Russia doesnt need Ukraine, it needs Crimea, Mariupol and those areas for this reason:
"A quick look at a map demonstrates why Russia took such an interest in Mariupol. After seizing Crimea by sea, Russia planned to build a bridge connecting Crimea to their own sovereign territory, an expensive and lengthy project. Seizing Mariupol and grabbing the land corridor to Crimea would make an easier line of communication for Russia to the peninsula."
Essay question:
Compare and contrast US policy in Cuba with regard to its base at Guantanamo Bay and Russia's response to the 2014 Ukraine Conflict with regard to its base in Crimea.
I am not familiar with the US policy in Cuba as much as I am familiar with the Russian policy in Eastern Europe(I am from Eastern Europe). From what I can find out is that Cubans dont want Americans in Guantanamo Bay, but US stays(leases) there anyway, is that right?
That said, you cant really compare those two. Ukraine didnt want Russians out of Crimea, Russian military started patrolling the city (outside their base) and Crimean government pretty much already decided that they want to be part of Russia, even before the referendum, which was held under Russian military presence.
Lets not forget how Russians got into Crimea in the first place, all those deported tatars etc. In 1897 Tatars made up 42.61%, Russians 27.06% and Ukrainian 11.25% of population, after deportations:
1979: Tatars: 0.7%, Ukrainians: 25.6%, Russians:68.4%
2001:Tatars 12.1%, Ukrainians 24.4%, Russians 58.5%.
Anymore questions on how Crimea belongs to Russia?
Hahaha.
Ok. I am from Eastern Europe too, and I am more familiar with Russian policy in Eastern Europe than you.
Do you actually have some better argument than "I am from Eastern Europe"?
Because holy fuck, you seem to be a perpetual source of stupidity Einstein has been talking about.
We finally found you.
Great way to get people to take you seriously...
According to the World Health Organization, Austria, Ireland, France, and Germany are all ahead of Russia when it comes to alcohol consumption:
http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/interactive_charts/gisah/consumption_adul...
The survey takes into account differences in how alcohol is consumed (beer vs. wine vs. spirits), and the results are based solely on the amount of pure alcohol consumed.
Good, now compare the death rate related to alcohol between those countries, along with life expectancy.
"The study, in The Lancet, says 25% of Russian men die before they are 55, and most of the deaths are down to alcohol. The comparable UK figure is 7%.
Causes of death include liver disease and alcohol poisoning. Many also die in accidents or after getting into fights."
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-25961063
No logics here. More the absence of logics, even the most twisted.
In America, we simply eat until we're obese and eventually drop dead of a heart attack. It's more civilized.
This site documents the many ways Americans are superior to everyone else:
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
That was funny, i have to admit, however dont forget this, I am sure most people are familiar with the "Only in Russia" youtube series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EiJHmHPVig
btw seems like eating to obesity still gives you extra 10-15years in life expectancy.
Rising Sun,
Please go suck "Think Tank" Donkey Dicks somewhere else.
That or get a big box of Kleenex to wipe the splooge from your mouth.
10 telltale signs that Russia invaded Ukraine on Thursday
1. Ukrainian artillery fell silent almost immediately. They are no longer shelling residential districts of Donetsk and Lugansk. This is because their locations had been pinpointed prior to the operation, and by Thursday afternoon they were completely wiped out using air attacks, artillery and ground-based rocket fire…
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7. The usual Ukrainian talking heads, such as president Poroshenko, PM Yatsenyuk and others, are no longer available to be interviewed by Western media. Nobody quite knows where they are. There are rumors that they have already fled the country. Crowds have stormed their abandoned residences, and were amazed to discover that they were all outfitted with solid gold toilets…
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9. …Obama just held a press conference to announce that “We don't have a strategy on Ukraine yet.” His military advisers tell him that his usual strategy of “bomb a little and see what happens” is not likely to be helpful in this instance.
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Quite a distorted account. Kievan Yatzi Junta citizens, can't tell the fake from the 'real'.
All this kind of people have to get a specific set of cultural values which includes acceptance of being robbed. Even if, admittedly, for Kievan Yatzi Junta citizens, most of those who did not comply are subhumans or non humans.
But hey, propaganda is vital to Kievan Yatzi Junta citizenism and everything that can help confusing is welcome.
Drudge?
When Drudge is done sucking the c*ck of the neocon establishment they can start working on mine.
"Patriarch Filaret, the head of Ukraine's Kiev-based Orthodox Church,"
he's just pissed off because he got thrown out of the ROC. LOL
Since WW2 the US has invaded/bombed more countries and killed more civilians worldwide than any other country in the world, incl. Israel.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/90-deaths-war-civilians.html
Hannibal:Since WW2 the US has invaded/bombed more countries and killed more civilians then any other country in the world incl. Israel.
Duuuuuuuude, you're lookin' at it all wrong. Those are FREEDUM bombs we're dropping from 60K ft. We're spreading DEMON-ocracy.
See, the mantra is "if we just drop ONE MORE Bomb, maybe they'll all rally together and understand our POV".
Just like this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJZPzQESq_0
pure sarcasm of course. :)
"both sides believe their adversary is merely using the break in the fighting to regroup and reinforce"
said every party to a ceasefire, ever.
RisingSun:Nato provided pic, which of course you will claim are not valid since its not from Kremlin TV( http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-the-russian-army-did-not-invade-ukraine/ )
Dude, sat pic linky no good, NATOfags already took it down because they've been busted. Scroll down to YOUR link and click on sat pics.
busted.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_112103.htm
I'd think a lot more of Putin if he would go after Loyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon.
q99x2:I'd think a lot more of Putin if he would go after Loyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon.
He is, through BRICS.
and.......
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/27/russia-banks-swift-idUSL5N0QX3...
Patience....
Wasn't there a passenger airliner shot down? I must have imagined it.
The Blank Stare: Wasn't there a passenger airliner shot down? I must have imagined it.
You've stumbled onto a wrong website here at ZH, you need to go to the Fox forums or Huffpo... ...
Wrong narrative, try harder.
Yup, when will USA release the ATC files? WHO shot it down? Look at the pics of the cabin / cockpit.
The biggest victims here are the Ukrainians. Always remember that.
None of them asked for this load of steaming shit.
I'm pretty sure they just wanted freedom, liberty and representative government . A chance to get the best of both worlds from Russia and the EU. Kind of like the Swiss!
USA NGO's are about as good as the hundreds of billions poured into Afghanistan and Iraq.
IE: You don't get shit Ukraine, no health care, no job, no future, no economy, just chaos, propaganda and debt. Learn the rules Ukraine! USA USA!
"…I'm pretty sure they just wanted freedom, liberty and representative government…"
Alexey Mozgovoi, September 4, 2014: Against the Oligarchs and False Politicians. For the People.
Slavyangrad.org
Novorossiya shall be! Oligarchs out! Power to the real, common people! This is our [first] chance in many decades to build an equitable, human and humane society…
In my opinion, right now, we are witnessing another attempt, by means of negotiations, to stop the resistance and to prevent the destruction of the oligarchic power in Ukraine. The fifth column in action… The transfer of power from the oligarchy to the people—right now this is the so-called international community’s nightmare. It became clear to everyone long ago that the world is ruled by the likes of Valtsman [Poroshenko], Chubais and the Rockefellers. For these, removal from power is akin to death….
Anyone else getting that feeling of outright, near uncontrolable rage that meets when you read shit concerning the bastards who are destroying not just ours, but those of who have no say in the matters worlds?
The likes of Victoria Newland anyone? Does this piece of fucking shit speak for you? Does it? Does that cunt Sotero speak for you? Does it then? How about that child molesting protector Cameron? Does this pale faced fucking swine speak for you then?
We are close to boiling point my friends. These fucking outright criminals speak for no one but themselves and those that put them there.
They should, and if it has owt to do with me, will, be punished for what they cause us normal folk the whole fucking world over. Slavs against Slavs, for them bastards who ruin us?????????
There is going to be a reckoning, and it cant come soon enough. Nation wrecking mother fuckers.
This same scum Nuland, Cameron et al are destroying the UK, Europe, USA, Ukriane, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Egypt and the list goes on and on.
Go look at Cameron's wiki. His family tribal Germans who have worked for the Red Shield as bankers financing wars for centuries. He cares nothing for the English people nor does dual citizen Nuland for Americans.
They work for a gang that robs and loots countries and has been doing it for centuries.
They are like SPECTRE in the early Bond films. A global criminal organization who loots countries, murders innocent people in wars. It never changes.
Freddie my friend,
The whole world is waking up, faster than we realise. David Cameron is nothing more than the fraud that those who wanted him in power for. He is a fucking child in a mans body, just like the rest of my cabinet. They dont know real life because they have never lived in it, just put there to serve those you just cant see yet, eh?
They need hanged, all of them, and the families they come from along with all assorted clinger ons so this can never happen again.
These people would kill you without a thought, its about time we hit them first.
They are bona-fide, stark raving maniacs. And to top it off, they want you and yours fighting for their warped beliefs, but not them and theirs?
Its not going to happen this time mate, too many folks are well aware of this scam and want no part of it.
Fucking grade 'A' Cunts.
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Yes my friend. I always enjoy your posts. The global public are catching them daily in their lies and false flags. Fake beaheadings, airliners disappearing and shot down.
Evil criminals. They are monsters.
Getting Ukrainians to kill other Ukrainians while they steal the gold.
Creating false flag phony beheadings to get Amerika back into Iraq and to scare the public of the ISIS bogeyman created by USA and UK intelligence along with Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, EU and other vermin.
Count me in for one. In fact I'm so outraged I'd nearly qualify as two. And there is nothing - nothing - in the MSM that gives any indication as to what's really going on.
Arguably we are at the stage where vigilante justice is called for, and that's not hyperbole. Politics, police, courts and finance are not only corrupt and unrepresentative, they are actively colluding in the destruction of the productive middle classes.
Inthemix96
I uparrowed you. Keep voting! (sarcasm)
Consent to the assrape.
Here 888,
I dont know how many people you know or deal with on a day to day basis, but just through my job I know fucking loads of folk, in the thousands who are close to doing something about this travesty of justice.
This entire shit show can only end when we, the great unwashed do it, and stop voting, it only encourages the bastards....
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Nicely put Inthemix96.
I think Tony Blair is posting here now, just to cover his rich ass.
Vote with your wallet! Did anyone else see the article on the young couple who challenged each other to spend on nothing but necessities for a one year period? No consumer purchases what so ever. Cars, clothes, electronics. meals out. Nada. Even put a little garden in the back. They saved something like $40,000 in that one year. ( hope they bought gold )
If some meaningful proportion of the 70 million private sector employees followed such a plan it could succeed in turning the corporatists against one another? Coke, Pepsi and McDs versus Halliburton and Raytheon? Ford and GM versus Lockeed and Boeing? By controlling our wallets, we can control theirs.
By the way, all indications in the economy are already of declining sales, although this contraction isn't always voluntary.
What you suggest would occasion the whole rotten system to collapse into itself. Let us pray....
Putin has no economic means to do an extended war feeding and maintaining thousands of soldiers.
He either hits quickly and now or pulls back.
The first is quite possible imminently. Thousands will die on both sides.
"Slavs are killing Slavs, there can be nothing worse than that."
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Correction: Slaves and killing slaves... nothing new under the sun, unfortunately.
Exactly. Fomented as always by the same tribe.
ekm1:Putin has no economic means to do an extended war feeding and maintaining thousands of soldiers.
He either hits quickly and now or pulls back.
I respectfully disagree, Mother Russia knows how to take a licking and keep on ticking. 40M dead in WWII didn't faze them. What is it again that they need to import from the West to stay afloat?
3000 immolated in NYC and we're on lockdown.
Wanna see Satan mr priest? Just visit the Bohemian Grove and whereever else these pukes hunker down.
They will be calling Putin "Ruler of the Darkness" when those gas lamps go out.
Talk about theater...
“Perhaps the first thing that draws the attention of the viewer” in the first beheading video is that “Foley was playing the role of champion not the victim only, for he recites a lengthy statement in peerless theatrical performance, and it seems from tracking the movement of his eyes that he was reading a text from an autocue,” Aljazeera reports.
The news network poses questions similar to those asked by Infowars.com and other alternative news sites soon after the video appeared. For instance, a clue the video was staged is the lack of blood when Foley and Sotloff supposedly have their throats cut by a masked jihadist. The “knife being moved on the neck of the victim six times triggered no blood,” Aljazeera notes.
Moreover, neither of the supposed victims display fear despite the fact they are about to have their heads sawed off.
Headless teleprompting autocue reading M'fers. Arrest Loyd Blankfein.