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Guest Post: "We" Don't Want The Ukraine Ceasefire To Hold
Submitted by Raul Ilargi Meijer, via the Automatic Earth blog,
It’s exceedingly safe to assume that the main reason the Kiev government agreed to a ceasefire on Friday was that the Ukraine army was losing on just about all fronts. Which they blame on Russian troops and weaponry being involved in increasing numbers, but there’s still to this day no proof for that.
The ‘rebels’ suspect that Kiev will use the ceasefire only to regroup, send in more men and guns, and fortify its positions. Moreover, the same ‘rebels’, who in the western press are increasingly awarded the “pro-Russian” label, even though they have no intention of joining Russia, have accused Kiev of having already violated the ceasefire within hours of it being announced.
Does anyone truly believe the US/EU/NATO coalition, which has spent billions on their Ukraine regime change project, are going to leave it at this? That they’re willing to admit defeat and will now retreat to their original positions, minus East Ukraine? If so, please have a look at the Brooklyn Bridge I have up for sale on Ebay. It has an absolutely lovely weathered look, literally tons of patina, and a history to die for.
I still haven’t seen one single western journalist take an in-depth look at the role of Victoria Nuland, Geoffrey Pyatt and their EU accomplices. Nobody seems interested in what these people have done over the past years that led up to Yanukovych’ ouster in February, and the subsequent civil war Kiev unleashed upon its own people. Not one single western journalist. And it’s not as if there’s no story there.
Meanwhile, the demonization of Vladimir Putin by those same journalists continues unabated. I saw something pass by just now about a Ukrainian priest claiming Putin is obsessed by Satan, no less. That’s the sort of thing that is duly reported in the west. Not Victoria Nuland.
And western politicians too play the same grossly over the top game like they were born for it. US officials have announced they will ‘degrade’ Islamist State (Obama) and chase them into Hell where they belong (Joe Biden). That’s the kind of language that ‘earns’ them applause.
As if there’s nothing wrong with using the images of an American being decapitated for hollow political gain. As if honor has nothing to do with it. In the exact same way that using 298 deaths on flight MH17 didn’t keep anyone from assigning blame, in graphical terms and without any evidence. I guess this is welcome to the age of communication. The more there is, the more is hidden. Perhaps there comes a point where communication equates to propaganda, where information can’t help turning into spin.
But so, yes, I don’t see the west giving up on Ukraine anytime soon. But I don’t see either the Donbass people, or those who support them, doing so either. And the more bases and attack and defense systems, and rapid deployment troops, NATO positions ever close to Russia’s borders, the more Moscow will feel obliged to counter-act.
It’s a stupid way to deal with things when you have two heavily militarized forces opposite each other. But it’s what we see develop as we’re watching. And it looks as if the media war in the west has been won by the west, to the extent that nothing that can be said from here on in will ever be able to wipe the completely invented anti-Putin allegations from our cumulative unconsciousness.
Even if Tuesday’s preliminary MH17 report by the Dutch Safety Board, for which reportedly so many detectives were engaged that no other crimes were solved at all the past two months or so, points not to Putin or Donbass rebels as the guilty party or parties, the allegations against them will still be left in everyone’s unconscience.
Not that I think there’s much chance of that; My guess is the preliminary report will leave so many questions open that there’ll be plenty room to keep the suspicions against Russia and the Donbass alive. The full report won’t be concluded until next summer, so the artificially induced bad taste can simmer and fester for another year.
But I’m still curious to see the report. As I am to see the Russian Union of Engineers’ report which we will present here at the Automatic Earth shortly.
To get back to why I started writing this, I don’t see a truce or ceasefire holding for long. The ‘rebels’ have a lot of reasons to keep fighting: first off, there were winning, and second, they were on their way to establish a land bridge to the Crimea, which would lift their isolation.
And as I said, I don’t see the west give up on their expansionist project. They can now make all of their people believe it was Putin who violated the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act (not that anyone has any idea what that is), that NATO is right to expand eastward, even if it’s obvious that Russia can only respond by countering that expansion with force.
The west will find a reason to blame the other side, rebels or imagined Russians, for violating the ceasefire, and use it to increase its military power. Americans and Europeans alike have so far taken all the ‘news’ they were served hook line and sinker, and why should that change? In other words, US/EU/NATO are free to do whatever they want, as long as they can spin a somewhat credible anti-Putin line in their media. And just about any line is credible by now.
But the ceasefire will truly stop when conditions are laid upon the table. Kiev will never ever again rule over the Donbass, the sole region to make Ukraine an economically viable entity. The gory and bloody attempts over the past 6 months to subdue the east Ukraine population have failed, and there won’t be a second chance.
What’s left of the Donbass after the shelling by its own official government will not agree to be governed by that same government. Ukraine as we draw it on the map today has ceased to exist. But that doesn’t mean the west won’t be willing to give it another try.
No matter how awry this goes, the likes of Obama and Barroso and Juncker still think they’ll win because they have bigger dicks a.k.a. guns. And the guys behind the curtains are laughing out loud. They have the ‘bigger’ view.
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"the likes of Obama and Barroso and Juncker still think they’ll win because they have bigger dicks a.k.a. guns."
Barroso used to be my Prime Minister.
I assure you he has no dick and doesn't know what a gun is.
The self defense forces needs more time for the 2nd wave of training in Russia to complete. There are over a million Ukrainians in Russia for this purpose.
Putin is doing the next to impossible by unifying Europe.
Barry, on the other hand, couldn't lead the faculty to a free bar.
well, at least the seperatist are getting training...
the only thing ive seen the ukrainians throw east of the Dneiper River are conscripts and national guard...no regular army troops at all...except for some airborne units...
hmm...
True. The whole thing reminds me of sumo wrestling. Lots of pushing and shoving, but no one interested in getting hurt.
This is NOT the land war in Europe that keeps getting pushed in the hair ball media.
Sorta like important government announcements being made around 7 pm on Friday evenings.
You should never waste a three day weekend.
There is always some crime against humanity yearning to breath free.
Insdie every crime against humanity is a football game waiting to distract.
The real Ukraine army has to be kept in Kiev to protect against Putin making a 2-week blitzkrieg raid for chocolate.
Americans and Europeans alike have so far taken all the ‘news’ they were served hook line and sinker,
What does the Western Press serve up but lies and demonization of Putin?
The New York Times and Flight MH17
By Bill Van Auken30 August 2014
In an August 29 editorial calling for the US and NATO to adopt a retaliatory policy against Russia over its alleged “large and unacceptable escalation of ... aggression against Ukraine,” the New York Times asserts in passing that after rebels in eastern Ukraine “shot down a Malaysian jetliner with a Russian missile ... Russia’s involvement became more overt.”
What is most striking about this assertion is that it comes after roughly a month in which the Times, like the vast majority of the Western media, has gone virtually silent on the downing of Flight MH17, even as the most important evidence, including the plane’s black boxes, has become available to investigators.
How is it that the Times can assert as an indisputable fact that the anti-Kiev forces in eastern Ukraine and Russia itself are responsible for bringing the airplane down?
There are, however, other hypotheses. For example, Malaysia’s main daily English-language newspaper, the New Straits Times, reported on August 7 that compelling evidence points to the plane being brought down by an air-to-air missile and machine-gun fire from a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet. The report cited US intelligence analysts and investigators on the scene as saying that damage to the plane’s fuselage indicated it had been “crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire” from a Ukrainian fighter.
The source of this report made it extremely noteworthy. The New Straits Timesis a newspaper that reflects the views of the ruling party and government of Malaysia, which runs the airlines and which lost 43 of its citizens in the crash, second only to the Netherlands. Yet the report was blacked out by the Times, together with the vast majority of the media in the West.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/30/mh17-a30.html
Raul? Are you working for Vladymir?
Now we know the audience for those NYT articles
You can by mediction for your yeast infection at the local five and dime.
Seems that there is 100 times more propaganda about Ukraine, than actual fighting in the Ukraine.
Has anyone found a relatively unfiltered news source?
Try Faux News
http://novorossia.today/
fonestar where have you been?
I like their flag.
Maybe they could liven it up with some stars?
Here is a link that will show you that there actually has been some fighting, and pretty fierce at that. The destruction is actually pretty shocking to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFEwfF9wz0&list=UU-5d-QB8E4X9YYtRvU0We8A
About 11 minutes of absolute destruction. I had no idea what kind of damage rockets could do, but suffice to say, I won't be rushing off to enlist in the Tank Corp.
And check out the scene at the 9 minute mark - that is surreal.
I suspect the situation will get worse as the Rebels attempt to grab all their territory back before NATO shows up and tries to solidify the lines with troops. The real war will come later, when NATO is in Ukraine, in force, "enforcing the peace". They will find some reason to attack the East again, this time with more than Ukrainian troops. NATO is run by rabid lunatics.
It gets worse. Get a load of this piece:
Infectious, deadly diseases and toxins like plague, botulism and ricin have been uncovered at government laboratories in the United States. The discovery also revealed some of the vials had been stored for over 60 years.
The revelations come after officials from the National Institute of Health (NIH) made a sweep of government owned laboratories in July after they found smallpox. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) also admitted it had found vials at a lab at the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.
Worryingly, inspectors also uncovered toxins and viruses, which had been lying around since 1954, with staff ignorant of the fact. The NIH said the discoveries were made between July 29 and August 27. The information was only made public on Friday.
http://rt.com/usa/185640-toxic-ricin-laboratory-discovered/
Aw hell. I'll bet Moochelle's used panties are a lot more toxic than that shit, and I'll guarantee they smell worse;)
spare us your stupid fixation
Have they tried Ft. Detrick?
Might find some anthrax about 13 years old.
Try San Diego's ZMAPP. Betcha some current Ebola strain in DoD containers dated prior to outbreak.
Hint hint hint
I hope they used good glue on the labels.
Good ink too.
Hate to think of that stuff getting mixed up, or tossed in the garbage disposal.
So the market will rally then
So the market will rally then
oooh
I'm sure the 30mm cannon holes in the front fuselage will be number one item on the report.
Actually I'm sure they have used so much Bondo to fill those holes that all other repair jobs had to be stopped for 2 months
I shoot 50 BMG in competition and those holes, while definitely projectile holes, were no mere .510 " holes.
Just air vents, already there when they took of.
The Buk missile system uses ball bearings, so 30MM holes. The missile was probably shot by the "separatists". But Ukrainian jets were routinely hiding behind commercial aircraft, dipping down to kill rebels, then zipping back up to leave the area. That's what the control tower audio would tell us...which is why we're not hearing it.
Hard to keep up:
Ooh, ooh, evil Noriega, must BOMB
Ooh, ooh, evil Saddam, must BOMB
Ooh, ooh, evil Ayatollah, must BOMB
Ooh, ooh, evil Gaddafi, must BOMB
Ooh, ooh, evil Putin, must BOMB
Ooh, ooh, evil Assad, must BOMB
Oops no wait, Ooh, ooh, evil ISIS (Assad enemy), must BOMB
And how exactly did the BUK missle arrive at the aircraft (MH17) without leaving a smoke trail that would be visible for 20 miles in every direction?
Don't confuse a NeoCon with facts.
vlad has no peer in the west. it was a slamdunk.
try this:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
And this:
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com
There is always two sides of a coin.... give me one country that US has been involved in, for "humitarian reasons" over the last 10 years that is is now a functional democracy state....
Detroit
Belgium?
Da brotha of mah brotha be mah brotha muthafuckah
Does anyone truly believe the US/EU/NATO coalition, which has spent billions on their Ukraine regime change project, are going to leave it at this?
I do. The financial terrorists of the west are having difficulties because of Loyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon. Their financial fraud System is going to collapse much faster than anticipated and opposition is building against them on new fronts each day.
Putin will be blamed. Some "suspcious" hacking from Russian IP addresses. They'll provide photos of bearded Russian men that will need a page nine retraction the folloiwng day.
lol
Who ever coined the term "cease fire" anyways? Is there some magical muppet that sends the "all clear" signal to the fighting forces?
War is war... Just because some dikwad assclown says I shouldn't shoot my mortal enemy, doesn't mean I'm going to crawl out of my trench and serve "afternoon tea" to the enemy.
The little boy who cried wolf too many times, got eaten by the bear...
Mrs K has never told me to "cease fire". She's more disposed to "shut the fuck up".
She's also particular to "I need some cash", usually preceded by a very sweet "honey" or "May I please".
I nominate Mrs.K for POTUS. At least she gives a straight answer, and is resolute in doing so.
They blur the line between "shut up" and "we need to talk", which actually means "shut up".
Don't know. its a non sequitor like: war crimes, and rules of war.
Dumb when you think on it.
Dead is dead, how you get that way barely matters.
Cease Fire = Gather your dead and wounded... Gather intelligence & assess the enemy, reload/supply.
Or how about "western journalist" lol....I've heard there used to be such a thing....
Ukrainian independence makes about as much sense as Scottish independence.
The continual use of the term pro-Russian shows how little effort at objectivity anyone aspires to. Of course they are pro-Russian: they are Russian, they speak Russian, and have been Russian for 200 years.
Do you ever hear people griping about pro-Canadian Canadians or pro-Dutch Dutchmen?
How dumb can you get?
I say let Nuland have another crack at it.
Russia lost the cold war. The BP invested and all of a sudden Russia is back in the drivers seat. Russia nationalizes the oil industry that BP build and modernized. Russia now has dreams of Empire again. Nato gets back to basics and mission creep becomes a mute point. Mid Sept we will see Nato in the West and the Russians in the East. Hold on for the ride. A few years and we start a new game............... of chess.
A cease-fire is only the first step. At this point Putin holds all the cards, this will become more obvious as winter nears and events unfold. It seems both Russia and many of the separatist in Eastern Ukraine would support federalization. Surely, no reason exist for Kiev to be opposed other than a loss of power. A more federalized government is also the most plausible way of keeping Ukraine intact.
Support for sanctions is mixed in Europe as some countries fear Russia and have an ax to grind with Putin while others wish to move forward. Saber rattling has only lead to death and destruction. As I see it little good will come from further bloodshed and it is time for the West to stop sending money to Kiev so they can ramp up the violence and continue the civil war. More on the progress being made in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/eu-moving-towards-deal-on-ukraine...
IMHO, Ilargi has been on fire lately, and I'm glad he's injecting more snarky humor into his writing. Like his last post, this was also a really great read.
Here's a "doomer" view from Taiwan:
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2014/09/06/2003599100
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