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UK In "Full Panic Mode", Rains Brimstone, Bribes On Scotland As "Yes" To Independence Poll Crosses 50%

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All pundits who over the past few months have been saying the possibility of Scottish independence as a result of the September 18 ballot, is at best a pipe dream got a rude wake up call overnight, when Scottish YouGov poll for the Sunday Times put the "Yes" (for independence campaign) on top for the first time since polling began, with No below the majority cutoff line for the first time, at 49, when undecided voters are excluded, and even when including undecideds "Yes" is still ahead by two points at 47-45. As the Spectator reports, "in the space of four weeks, "No" has blown a 22-point lead."

According to Bloomberg, "the shift to an outright lead for supporters of independence may further roil financial markets after the pound weakened last week when the pro-U.K side’s support narrowed to six percentage points." Granted, today's news may be GBP-negative, but Bloomberg seems to still operate under Old Normal assumptions whereby any news, bad or gad, is anything but great for stocks. Expect the S&P to hit new all time highs on this latest development which will be promptly "priced in" and spun as pent-up reunification.

The usual commentariat, which until recently was swearing the Yes vote has zero chance, is stunned :

“For a positive message to catch up so much in a month is totally unprecedented,” said Matt Qvortrup, a senior researcher at Cranfield University in England and author of “Referendums and Ethnic Conflict.” “This is pretty revolutionary stuff in referendum terms. We’re ringside to history.”  The Sept. 18 ballot on Scottish independence is dominating the U.K. after door-to-door campaigning on both sides intensified last week and as traders and investors no longer rule out a dramatic victory for nationalist leader Alex Salmond."

Others were more direct and to the point:

The Spectator's Fraser Nelson had this to say:

Make no mistake, the UK government will now be on full panic mode. This eclipses everything: the country is 12 days away from dissolution. We’re seeing an almost perfect rerun of what happened in Quebec in October 1995 when the ‘yes’ pulled into a lead at the last minute. Then, Canadians (who had ignored the debate until then) suddenly took notice, realising that their country was falling apart. Seven days before the poll, a massive unity rally in Montreal was organised (details here) by a fisheries minister acting on his own initiative. God knows such initiatives are needed now.

UK politicians, naturally, were not happy, starting with the head of the UK Treasury, Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne, for whom any change from the status quo is very much unwelcome:

Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne said a program for increased devolution to Scotland if it votes No, offering Edinburgh more control over taxes, public spending and social policy, will be announced in the “next few days” as the London government responds to the shift in the polls.

 

“It’s clear that Scotland wants more control over the decisions that affect Scotland,” Osborne said in a televised BBC interview. “The timetable for delivering that will be put into effect the moment there is a ‘no’ vote in the referendum. Then Scotland will have the best of both worlds. They will both avoid the risks of separation but have more control over their own destiny, which is where I think many Scots want to be.”

 

Osborne also reiterated his opposition, which is shared by all major parties in Westminster, to currency union with an independent Scotland. “No ifs, no buts, we will not share the pound if Scotland splits from the rest of the U.K.,” he said.

His predecessor quickly chimed in: enter Alistair Darling.

‘The polls may conflict, but the message I take from them is clear: If you want Scotland to remain part of the UK family you have to vote for it on 18 September. Separation is forever. These polls can and must now serve as a wake-up call to anyone who thought the referendum result was a foregone conclusion. It never was.  It will go down to the wire. Now is the time to speak up and speak out.

 

‘We are hitting the streets, knocking on the doors, making the calls in unprecedented numbers and we are hearing the people of Scotland respond positively to our vision of Scotland securing the best of both worlds. That means more powers for Scotland without taking on all the risks of separation.

 

‘We relish this battle. It is not the Battle of Britain – it is the battle for Scotland, for Scotland’s children and grandchildren and the generations to come. This is a battle we will win.’

It only got more panicky from there:

With campaigning in its final days, the opposition Labour Party is trying to keep its supporters onside in a traditional heartland and vote against independence. Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, now a Labour legislator, will tour the country making the case for the union.

 

“I want to share our resources with the rest of the United Kingdom, and that will mean better pensions, better health care, more jobs and better security,” Brown, a Scot, said in an interview with Sky News. “Whatever government is in power temporarily, you’ve got to look at the long term picture. You’ve got to look 50 years ahead, 100 years ahead. This is an irreversible decision.”

But perhaps realizing that dazzling them with glass beads and cheap promises won't work, UK's Prime Minister went "all the way" and pulled a nuclear Hank Paulson, threatening Scotland with outright death and destruction if it votes to secede. From Bloomberg:

Scotland will be more vulnerable to terrorist attacks in a “very dangerous and insecure world” if it votes for independence on Sept. 18, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said.

 

Being part of a union gives Scots the protective benefits of being part of a larger country, Cameron told reporters at the end of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s summit in Newport, Wales, yesterday.

 

With terrorist threats and other threats, isn’t it better to be part of a United Kingdom that has a top-five defense budget, some of the best intelligence and security services anywhere in the world, that is part of every single alliance that really matters in the world in terms of NATO, the G-8, the G-20, the European Union, a member of the security council of the UN?” Cameron said. “All those networks and abilities to work with allies to keep us safe. Isn’t it better to have those things than separate yourself from them?”

Because how else can Scotland protect itself than by aligning with the nation that, together with the US, provided weapons to these "terrorists" in the first place.

And while everyone else demanded a continuation of the status quo, and is "stunned" at the Scottish people for not appreciating the "clear benefits" that a union provides, one person who was absolutely delighted was Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond who said he expects more the 80 percent turnout in independence referendum on Sept. 18 after a poll for the first time gave a lead for his party’s ‘Yes’ campaign. “We’re encouraged by the clear panic in the ‘No’ campaign,” Salmond said in a BBC interview.

"They’ve failed to scare the Scots, now they’re trying to bribe us. That won’t work either."

But they'll keep on trying: just recall "Scottish Independence 'Yes' Vote Is A "High Risk" Event, Citi Warns." Sure enough, here comes Citi with the postmortem released moments ago, with a note titled: "Sterling Is Set for Negative Surprise After Scottish Poll"

  • Recent history would suggest that a move for the pound toward 1.56 vs USD or lower cannot be excluded if Scotland leaves the union, Citigroup writes in client note today.
  • Outright lead in pro-independence campaign in latest YouGov survey will keep investors anxious about the outcome of the referendum on Sept. 18
  • Referendum authorities may conduct more polls in remaining week and a half; fact is, of the 86 polls conducted since 2012, only two put ’’Yes’’ vote in the lead
  • Better U.K. data this week, such as July industrial and manufacturing production, may be of little comfort
  • Carney testimony to Treasury committee hearing on Sept. 10 could highlight political and economic risks for GBP from the referendum

And from Berenberg:

  • Risk that Scotland will vote for independence is real and rising; recent movements have been further and faster than anticipated, Rob Wood, U.K. economist at Berenberg writes in client note.
  • Still expect a no vote; yes campaign lead is within margin of error and latest poll is not matched in other polls, could be an outlier
  • Scotland is re-running the 1995 Quebec independence referendum, which went down to wire before ending in tight vote against splitting from Canada
  • A Yes to independence could cause serious short-term pain over uncertainty on currency, EU status; Scotland may be forced to austerity
  • May raise risk of U.K. exit from EU without pro-EU Scotland
  • A close No vote would keep alive chances of another referendum in 5-10 years, could mean additional powers for Scotland, kickstarting changes to U.K. regional governance

Etc.

Of course, everyone knows that the end result of the "vote" will be arbitrated by the proverbial, if not literal Diebold, which we somehow doubt will allow such an earth-shattering outcome as Scotland being allowed to determine its fate, to take place. Because if they can, suddenly it becomes an option for the rest of Europe, a continent where as Mario Draghi has explained time and again, there is far too much political capital invested in allowing the peasants to decide their own fate.

In the meantime, however, what better excuse than to grab the popcorn, sit back and enjoy an all-time classic.

 

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Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:38 | 5190986 Kirk2NCC1701
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If you think that "London was established by Rome", then you're a Moron*.  I agree that Rome has its own set of 'issues' (evils), but they are a different set of issues.

London has been run by Money Changers for the last 200 years.  Research "City of London" and "History of Bank of England".

* Moron = Adult, whose brain functions at the level of an 8-12 y.o. child (clinical definition)

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:18 | 5191100 tmosley
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Pretty sure he is referring to IMPERIAL Rome establishing Londinium, not the Vatican establishing the City.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 01:33 | 5192708 The_Prisoner
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Yes, Scotland!

Fuck the Empire!

Dico Tibi Verum, Libertas Optima Rerum Nunquam Servili Sub Nexu Vivito, Fili.

'I tell you the truth, my son, that the best of all things is freedom. Never live under the bondage of slavery'.

William Wallace Memorial

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:30 | 5191108 Rusty Shorts
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Dear blithering idiot,

AD 43..."A new Roman colony at Colhester close to the oppidium at Gosbecks was made the capital of the province of Britain. A great trading post was also set up to which the resourses of the province could be brought and where the produce of the Roman world could be bought and sold: pottery, glass, fabrics, wine, olives, corn. This place was to become London".

 - In Search of the Dark Ages, Michael Wood

 

 - btw the Roman financiers never left "London", in fact, London is where Roman financiers moved to during and after the so-called "Fall of Rome". the "London Wall" still stands...ever heard of Wall Street???

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 17:34 | 5191637 Sirius Wonderblast
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Dear All - Londinium was all but deserted after the Legions left, with a new settlement having been established upstream at what is now Westminster. The old Roman walled settlent became a hanfgout of thieves and outlaws (okay, so no big change there). As the Saxons took control, and what is now England started taking shape, Londonwickemerged as effectively a bi-polar community of Westminster and the re-settled Londinium. It was the biggest place around, so made it's own rules outside of the normal run of laws, and fell outside any of the kingdoms og the Saxon heptarchy. It's laws and custom were formed in a periodic "moot" held periodically roughly in the area of what is now Aldwych (meaning old town). As the times became more lawless (think Vikings, Normans), the old Londinuium site was refortified and became the centre of population again, with Westminster becoming a palace and ceremonial complex only. This is how the City of London became outside the laws of England, and indeed the control of kings or (later) parliament asd it remains to this day. Do not mistake the City for anything to do with Greater London (incl;uding Westminster), which is just a load of villages grown into each other. And if you want nightmares about how the world is run, spend a little time researching what it takes to snag one of the positions of power within the City.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:26 | 5191785 CheapBastard
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Thnx.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 21:35 | 5192335 Rusty Shorts
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Caligula comes to mind...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PSWVoJwsTo

 

...after the Legions left, most of the Roman wealthy merchants remained in Britain, and most of Britain had become Romanized.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:21 | 5191946 Dugald
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Dear Rusty Shorts.

COLCHESTER, not Colhester, is some 83k from LONDON, please explain how COLCHESTER became London?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 21:18 | 5192305 Rusty Shorts
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You are correct, typo error by me...my eyes aint what they used to be. Colchester it is !!!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:54 | 5190627 Kirk2NCC1701
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If they 'dared' to tax Balmoral (the Queen's huge estate and fave place when not in Buckingham), they would have War -- even if they had no war otherwise.  I'm certain of it.

The Crown is threatening to pull its financial benefits by pulling out its Navy from Scottish ports.  If so, they could simply lease said ports to Russia.  That would be too funny, and would really piss off NATO.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:59 | 5191538 tonyw
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Kirk, no the Scottish National Party has said they don't want the nuke subs in Scotland, this is a problem as there isn't another suitable base right now.

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:24 | 5191776 Sirius Wonderblast
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But... Barrow in Furness is in the right area, has defence industry in situ, the right skills to hand, far enough from anything that matters if it turns to glass. I bounced this off a defence industry buddy, who simply said "Yes".

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:10 | 5190907 hairInTheSoup
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london city (money), washington dc(weapons), vatican(mind)

the 3 most powerful entities of our world

the troy, sparta & athena of our time

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:58 | 5191042 holgerdanske
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And strangely, Moscow (liberty) or so it seems.

Chased by America and their allies?, asylum in Russia. Stop a war between America and Syria, Russia cools the tempers. Genocide in Ukraine, Russia steps in. Lying and finger pointing regarding the sinking of a civilian air liner? Russia keeps calm.

Scotland will be the thin wedge that opens the faultline. We have minorities in many countries all over the world. Some of these will follow, and all the smaller member states in Europe are going to be difficult to control under EU. Their populations have left a long time ago, their politicians are still hanging on, more grimly, more resolved and more determined than ever. They smell defeat and their big plans of overlording evaporates in front of their eyes.

Scotland, --do it for yourself--, but do it also for the countless millions that have lost hope. For each and every one of us that yearn for freedom and sanity.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:45 | 5190391 Bangin7GramRocks
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Send in the Koch's, Mormons and George Soros. They fix all of our elections and I'm sure they could do the same for the Brits.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:41 | 5190998 HardAssets
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Its been many years since I was in Scotland. Lovely land and people.

Scots youve been under the thumb of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha 'royalty' huns for long enough, don't you think ? 

Be cautious - - - if your elections are anything like in America. Close 'elections' are easily rigged.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:13 | 5190292 Escrava Isaura
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Tyler removed my previous comment.

Now, I can not tie all toghether!

 

Rupert Murdoch, "Scottish poll reflects world-wide disillusion with political leaders and old establishments leaving openings for libertarians and far left.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:14 | 5190302 COSMOS
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Did Tyler remove your brain too LOL.  Escrava tyler did not delete your comment, you screwed up on your computer somehow.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:16 | 5190305 Escrava Isaura
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No! He did.

I saw it.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:19 | 5190312 COSMOS
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You gotta be able to prove it Escrava, next time use screen capture of your posts and show it...

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:21 | 5190324 GetZeeGold
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No! He did.

I saw it.

 

Yeah.....that's a hint.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:35 | 5190325 Escrava Isaura
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Well, I am not as handy as you, Cosmos.

I noticed you done that before.

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:30 | 5191794 CheapBastard
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I think Tyler took my TV remote too. Can't find the thing anywhere!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 22:46 | 5192492 WillyGroper
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rofl

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:37 | 5190372 PeeramidIdeologies
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It's all part of the fun and games. You should see what you don't see!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:23 | 5190327 Arius
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the fact that i am paranoia does not mean they are not after me

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:32 | 5190355 Escrava Isaura
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Arius,

If I had to guess, Tyler removed it because it was about US and Tyler probably wants this thread be about UK and Europe.

That would be my guess.

I'll try it some other time!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:35 | 5190365 Arius
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you are not alone amigo ... i understand ... dont worry too much

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:00 | 5190417 GetZeeGold
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Quick note : There's no whining at Fightclub.

 

Figure out a different way.....but there is absolutely no whining.

 

There's bitching and caterwauling.....but that's  whole nuther subject.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:30 | 5190531 Escrava Isaura
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You win some, you lose some!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:34 | 5190548 GetZeeGold
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OK....good....you've got it!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:13 | 5190295 COSMOS
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There is Scot-Land and Eng-land (Angles-Land).  The Scots are Celtic.  The Angles and Saxons are Germanic.

Why the heck should the Scots be Ruled by a British Bitch.  FREEDOM for Scotland at LAST.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:31 | 5190359 nmewn
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Correct.

And the funniest part is the PM running to "the Queen" for consultations. The Queen, everyone got that?

Good ;-)

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:08 | 5190441 Lord Wakefield
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A large percentage of low land Scots are geneticly English Celts that fled the advancing Romans and later North European Saxons. 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:59 | 5190877 ebear
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So, does that mean they end up with a Southern Scotland in the same sense as Northern Ireland?   If not, they'll have to change the flag.  No more blue for you, Jack!  Maybe they can use green instead?  Wouldn't want the Welsh to feel left out.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:48 | 5191772 scrappy
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergus_M%C3%B3r

 

And to set the record straight...

http://members.tripod.com/sassyoh_4/americanclancummingassociation/id6.html

 

The fruit of silence is prayer.

The fruit of prayer is faith.

The fruit of faith is love.

The fruit of love is service.

The fruit of service is peace.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:29 | 5192623 ebear
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The fruit of the loom is underwear!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:32 | 5190966 Blackfox
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Funny thing about your comment is that she is a German bitch. The Royal family changed their names from Saxe Coburg Gotha to Windsor in WW1 as they had the same name as the German royal family. The name Windsor is taken from a castle.

Lord Mountbatton changed his name from Lord Battenberg also.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:41 | 5191002 Kirk2NCC1701
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And Queen Victoria's husband/Consort, Prince Albert, was German.

As far as that goes, he was extremely progressive and innovative.  Were it not for him England never would have become and Empire.  In hindsight...

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:56 | 5191035 LosOsos
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The Scots, especially in the central and western portions, are predominantly Celtic. However, it's important not to forget the deep Scandanavian ties they have, which have a heavier empahsis in the north and east. All in all this gives the country a culture quite distinct from England to the south.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:57 | 5191038 Sandmann
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Northern England has a completely different culture to the South......Newcastle is far different from Nottingham

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:30 | 5191796 Pendolino
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Once heard a lad from Newcastle being asked if he was English. "Am I fuck like, I'm a Geordie!". Even the English don't like being English ...

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:26 | 5191121 FreedomGuy
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You left out Normans who were Norwegian-Viking, too. Who the hell really cares these days? They are all pasty white with bad teeth and they've intermarried a long time. What matters is freedom, not because of ethnicity or great great grandpa but because people want to live a certain way with liberty. The centralized State always works against this and works to the advantage of the conspiracy theorists NWO, global power, etc.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:19 | 5190316 McCormick No. 9
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Thus bold, independent, unconquer’d and free Her bright course of glory forever shall run For Brave Caledonia immortal must be I’ll prove it from Euclid as clear as the sun!

 Robert Burns.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:25 | 5190507 mccvilb
Mon, 09/08/2014 - 17:26 | 5195252 Dealyer Turdin
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Free Scotland Yard!

-Being an American, I realize that you may think I'm serious. 

Well, I am.

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:14 | 5190297 666
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Scotland can have a legal referendum for independence with no violence or problems, but Eastern Ukraine gets bombed for voting to become independent which may trigger WWIII. Makes sense to me!

NOT!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:17 | 5190308 COSMOS
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Dont write off the bombing campaign destined for Scotland just yet.  It may be al queda chaps blowing up train stations all over Scotland for the Queen.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:25 | 5190332 Coke and Hookers
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So the Scots "can't have the pound"? At least they now know that the British Pound was the English Pound all along. The security services are clearly not British either but English, since the Scots can't have a part of them. At least the oil and gas reserves are Scottish. :)

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:52 | 5190622 FeralSerf
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The Royal Navy will protect Scotland's oil and gas reserves no doubt.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:55 | 5190634 Sandmann
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what with 13 ships ?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:45 | 5190823 FeralSerf
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The City only has 13 ships left to guard their colonial assets and revenue streams? Maybe the resident trillionaires need to call on NATO for help?

Washington has lots of ships.

We're from the (NWO) government and we're here to help you.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:29 | 5191128 Herodotus
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Washington is bankrupt.  They won't have "lots of ships" for too much longer.  They will be broken up for scrap.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:35 | 5191479 FeralSerf
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The Rothschilds hold the mortgages on Washington's "assets". Washington will do as it's told.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:12 | 5190913 ebear
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They will if they want any more ships.

http://tinyurl.com/nkn58bg

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:25 | 5191958 Pendolino
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From whom?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:33 | 5190362 Kobe Beef
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ps: they call Al Qaeda 2.0 ISIS. The CIA-Mossad-Saudi cats paw has been rebranded. Same false-flag terrror, new brand name! Mujahideen-->Al Qaeda--> ISIS. Same contollers, all new disposable freedom fighters.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:09 | 5190444 Lord Wakefield
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An " Independant Scotland" Will still have the Queen as head of state.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:23 | 5190497 Matt
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Are you sure? They are not voting to become a Republic?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:29 | 5190522 Lord Wakefield
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No just independance. 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:33 | 5191139 Herodotus
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She will be referred to as Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland.   The previous Queen Elizabeth (Henry VIII daughter) never reigned over Scotland.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:46 | 5191017 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Basque also had separation votes that Spain keeps ignoring, and Venice had a separation vote that Italy and the MSM ignore.

Banksters and their Statist Minions are in full charge, and remain so, until People stop acting like goddam Sheeple.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:55 | 5191036 Sandmann
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Basques are unimportant  - lok to CATALONIA - that triggered the Spanbish Civil War last time......watch out for Ukraine Mk II

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:18 | 5190313 Stoploss
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"Scotland will be more vulnerable to terrorist attacks in a “very dangerous and insecure world” if it votes for independence on Sept. 18, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said."

The standard threat... Everybody's a terrorist now. Perfect.

NWO is NWI

Go Scotland, declare your independence, and move the "threat" back home where it came from.

Muslims are doing an excellent job of becoming the enemy of the world now more than ever.

UK lets them go fight and come back to ata boys. Why would Scotland want to be a part of that?

The UK chose Muslims and terrorists over freedom..

So be it...

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:37 | 5190370 i_call_you_my_base
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The irony is that if they seperate no one will want to terrorize them.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:04 | 5190672 doctor10
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I'm not sure that's quite how it works.  "Terrorism" is the cudgel to keep this mess altogether.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:25 | 5190333 giggler321
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if u where in power say like queeny and knew your own currency, sterling was gonna take a death blow wouldn't you want an exit to hedge with? when GBP tanks you'll find most of their wealth was actually in a new Scott currency, no doubt. lucky 4 some eh?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:34 | 5190974 americanspirit
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If one reads the panicky ( but still hopelessly arrogant) British press on the upcoming independence of the American colonies in the 1770's one finds almost precisely the same kind of threats - in the context of the times of course. The American colonies would no longer enjoy the protection of the indominable British Navy, the security of the British currency, and the enlightened leadership of the British monarchy.

Let's hope the Scots take a long look at how the American revolution turned out and vote Yes to tell the Brits to shove their currency, their military, and their Royals.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:39 | 5190997 MiltonFriedmans...
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What a great idea, the US should give it a try

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:23 | 5190328 in4mayshun
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If Scotland will just use Diebold voting machines, then they have nothing to worry about

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:15 | 5190467 GetZeeGold
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You get on that....I'll see if I can get Chuck Hagel on the phone.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:33 | 5190361 williambanzai7
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Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:22 | 5191935 scrappy
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Let's add Max to the sacred list, on my ancient authority he is hereby a Guardian of Scotland!

http://www.reocities.com/judys-space/European/monarchs.htm

Well done William.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:13 | 5190450 Jannn
Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:17 | 5190474 garypaul
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Well, there was no separation in Canada when all was said and done, and the same thing's gonna happen here.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:53 | 5190626 Arius
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you are so status quo amigo ..wake up and smell the coffee ... THIS IS the time of change.

too bad i cant bet with you Canada will follow Scotland and not vice versa ....

 

everything on its own time, you dont raise the temperature right away on a boiling frog ... you dig??? i guess not

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:36 | 5190978 ebear
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"Canada will follow Scotland"

Not likely.

1. Older pro-separatist generation fading out.

2. Younger generation sees more advantage to being Canadian.

3. English miniority has adapted - now speaks French

4. Immigrants will vote to stay.

I may be wrong, but it's something I follow fairly closely and I see nothing to suggest it isn't a dead issue.  The choice isn't really between independance and Ottawa anyway - it's between Ottawa , where the french have a lot of influence, and Washington, where they have none.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:46 | 5191839 COSMOS
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Don't matter if they break up or not.  They are either one USA Biatch, or several USA biatches, that is Canada's past, present, and future

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:00 | 5191052 Kirk2NCC1701
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Quebec Separatism is a contrived thing that occurs every 25 years or so.  About the time that the next generation of students and Civil Servants have their turn.

If Quebec can separate -- and who bloody cares if they do -- then so can Montreal, since Montreal is an island.  W/o Montreal, QC is an economic backwater -- that can offer only Resources, Tourism, Hockey Players and Strippers.  And Celine Dion left a long time ago, so she's not paying QC taxes.

Face it, Canada's the 51st State of the US, even though it effectively joined around WW2.  Before other Canucks start bitching about this, you should know that EVERYONE in our Residence/Dorm at the Ontario university I went to (in the 70s and 80s), thought the exact same thing.  Furthermore, everyone I've ever talked to in the UK, EU or Asia says the exact same thing -- so spare me the "We're not a US colony" self-deluded bullshit. 

"Canadians are just polite Americans - with affordable health care and education, but without guns".  Be happy with being "The nice Americans", and give it a rest.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:40 | 5191490 Lea
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"Canadians are just polite Americans - with affordable health care and education, but without guns".

And staggering levels of political correctness. On any forum, as soon as a Canadian turns up, everybody scampers because they know he will inevitably start lecturing and put everyone to sleep in a endless drone of all the last progressive cliches, with the imperturbable perseverance of a telex. You have to see it to believe it.

The Quebecois are the worst.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:56 | 5191528 Tinky
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Reminds me of the old, indelicate joke that was long a favorite in certain South Florida circles:

Why is it so difficult to get a blow-job in Montreal in January? Because the cock-suckers are all down here!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:38 | 5191145 Herodotus
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Please don't compare the Scots to the French.  Scots do not run from a fight.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 01:52 | 5192735 tvdog
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The French didn't lose in WWII because of cowardice. They lost because they had terrible generals.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:33 | 5190541 rubiconsolutions
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It's too bad that individuals have no practical way of withdrawing their consent from the world's biggest con...the "social contract".

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:56 | 5190633 doctor10
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What's the problem here? Its a pure business decision. Nothing personal. They're merely voting themselves out from under debt to the EuroBankers they never contracted for. Its all Crimea and Donetsk have done.

Wait until Texas, New York, Colorado, California, Illinois and Michigan get it and decide to do the same!!!!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:44 | 5191009 Jack Burton
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Brilliant! This is possible. Some sort of covert event designed to suppress the YES vote maybe? Or a covert event to stimulate the no vote. If all else fails, MI5 will act to do a covert vote fraud to ensure a NO win. Cameron is a fucking goon, and now the UK's Oil State is ready to bail out and pump that oil for Scotland's benefit and not Londons.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:43 | 5191329 DFCtomm
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Mossad agents and radiation cannons?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:55 | 5192049 mt paul
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short pound sterling..

 

should be good 

for a few quick pts

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:02 | 5190271 U4 eee aaa
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It's amazing how many of these polls are always around 50%. How is it so many nations are that perfectly divided? Or maybe close polls and close elections are a great ratings boost

Bread and circuses my friends

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:09 | 5190286 chunga
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At 50 percent there is never any mandate.

That way, each team can blame the other when things go against the muppets as they always do.

(see: demitards/republitards)

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:30 | 5190354 Emergency Ward
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Close elections are easy to manipulate.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:19 | 5190299 Manthong
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“No ifs, no buts, we will not share the pound if Scotland splits from the rest of the U.K.,”

Well, then threre might be the ruble or yuan.

I would stay away from the Euro if I were them.

I think Ukraine left an open spot in the Customs Union.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:25 | 5190330 McCormick No. 9
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Laddie, we shoul' have th' pund Scots, with twenty shillin's to th' pund, an' twelve pence to t' shillin'!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:53 | 5191189 Herodotus
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Scotland could adopt the Norwegian currency as a temporary measure.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:28 | 5190338 Coke and Hookers
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It's because political view are genetically determined with roughly equal proportions individualistic vs collectivistic.

(I'm not joking. Do some research and you'll find interesting stuff.)

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:43 | 5190375 DeadFred
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Or maybe it's because the only questions that are worth discussing are the ones which have pros and cons on both sides? There are never polls about questions where the answer is obvious, "What is your opinion on a person's right to beath air?" 90% for, 10% against, you can always get 10% on any cause.

I don't disagree with your genetics explanation though, population polymorphisms for personality traits can have high selective value. If everyone was a risk taker willing to eat unknown mushrooms we would have died off long ago. If no one was a risk taker willing to try something new we'd still live in caves.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:49 | 5190400 i_call_you_my_base
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Or positive genetic traits evolved in different environments (eras) and perpetuate downstream in varying compositions.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:06 | 5190677 Lea
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"It's because political view are genetically determined with roughly equal proportions individualistic vs collectivistic."

I've done some research, and the statistics are more like 65% collectivists (even though I wouldn't call them that, sounds too much like "commie"), 20% individualists (the "my way or the highway" kind) and the remainder doesn't know.

Nearly every referendum turns out this kind of figures. Forget polls, they are manipulated beyond any semblance of truth.

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:11 | 5190272 JustObserving
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Queen ‘horrified’ that Scotland might go it alone Now, now, Scotland, do you really want to do that?

Scotland, do you really want to stop singing this song:

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save the Queen
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the Queen

Is the queen victorious over your commonsense, your pocket-book, or poor brown or black people? Or all three?

If you want someone to reign over you forever, may I offer the Nobel Prize Winner? But then, he already lords over his poodle.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/queen-horrified-that-scotland...

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:13 | 5190296 logicalman
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Here's a verse that you don't often hear sung!

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save The King.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:28 | 5190352 McCormick No. 9
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And to think George Wade was an Irishman!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:46 | 5190596 Sandmann
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The Scots always sing the last verse however

Lord grant that Marshall Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!
Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:25 | 5190757 aleph0
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Will she now have to RENT BALMORAL ?
:-)

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:46 | 5191018 Jack Burton
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The Queen has her Scotland estate at Balmoral, stuck in some of earth's most lovely scenery. A truely magic place, now the old bitch might not be welcome there, check the old whores passport at the border, stip search her, and x-ray her with enough radiation to light the city of Glasgow for a week!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:03 | 5190275 DetectiveStern
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FREEEEDOM!!!!!!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:43 | 5190384 GetZeeGold
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YES WE CAN!!!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:05 | 5190279 Soul Glow
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They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:01 | 5190389 GetZeeGold
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Cloward and Piven will show us the way!

 

The KGB might help....if they're not busy.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 20:01 | 5192059 mt paul
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Haggis 

for everybody...

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:11 | 5190283 Volaille de Bresse
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The Evil US/UK Empire crumbles! Forward... to the edge of the cliff!

Putin must be laughing his ass off...

"Mr Cameron? Soros is on line 2. He **demands** to know what you intend to do to curb the Scots..."

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:28 | 5190341 Victor999
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Mel Gibson and his hordes mooning the King of England is what comes to mind.... ;-)

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:08 | 5190285 smacker
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I have long said that Scotland will vote NO and nothing has changed my mind. When it comes to putting an X in the box, the Scots will not bite the hand that feeds them.

What many Scots actually want is not total independence - it's too cold out there - but more devolution of powers from Westminster.

Meanwhile the GBP is all over the floor for the past three weeks and can only weaken further tomorrow onwards and up to the 18th.

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:26 | 5190335 Victor999
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'bite the hand that feeds them'???  Excuse me?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:21 | 5190485 smacker
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Scotland cannot survive at current levels without England and without a gigantic change of mindset. Alex Salmond is not the person to change that. He's a political blatherer, nothing more.

I am sure most Scots know all that deep down.

If they choose to go it alone it would please me and I wish them the best of luck.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:58 | 5191212 Herodotus
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The independence vote, in the eyes of the Scots, has nothing to do with Alex Salmond.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:27 | 5191285 smacker
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Oh that's alright then. You can dump Alex Salmond and install Gordoom Brown in his place. I mean, like, he's got hands on experience at running an economy (into the ground). rotfl.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:28 | 5191288 smacker
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Only 22 red downers for telling the truth? You Scotch are really mean. rotfl.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:09 | 5190287 lolmao500
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While in France this could get interesting...

Marine Le Pen would win 1st round of presidential election in France - Poll

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:01 | 5190421 MalteseFalcon
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Does that mean Vichy will secede from France?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 13:16 | 5190925 Lea
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"Does that mean Vichy will secede from France?"

At the moment, it's the French left-wing government that stands by the Kiev Neo-nazi junta. Makes you wonder what the old thinking patterns are worth.

 

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:13 | 5190447 hairInTheSoup
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& sarkozy the second obviously

interesting for the banksters mostly; the idea was to convince the french population that they have to finish "reforming" the state : eliminate free healthcare, labour laws & publicly run pension so to follow the so succesful american/uk/japanese model.

so they're going to achieve this without massive people demonstration.

welcome to us of europe.

this agenda was set since a long while.

 

time to move to scandinavia or island... or scotland maybe.

 

nb: make no mistake, the hollande, valls & other motherfuckers are 100% working for that agenda by will & design, certainly not by accident. they're in fact the worst liars ever.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:13 | 5190294 adr
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What the UK is worried about is losing the Scotts in the military. London is also terrified about what happens if the Scottish people decide to take matters into their own hands and expel the Muslims overrunning Scotland.

As a Tartan flying Scottish descendant I would love to cast my yes vote as a hundreds of year old FU to London.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:14 | 5190463 Lord Wakefield
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Not Will Alex Salmond in charge. He gone on record saying that Scotland needs immigrant to survive. No doubt to enlarge the service sector circle jerk that relies on national debt to fund it.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:17 | 5190468 hairInTheSoup
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you fiorget natural resources like the oil of the northern sea

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:14 | 5190301 achilles5008
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Now if they vote yes, and then become a BRICS member; we'll now you've got a story.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:43 | 5190385 Seasmoke
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Well they do need a country that starts with S.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:46 | 5190395 Kobe Beef
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Wait, Oppenheimerland doesn't start with S?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:07 | 5190679 Grande Tetons
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Maybe he meant BricsS. The second S would be like spiking the ball. 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:15 | 5190306 Tom Green Swedish
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buy more gold.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:18 | 5190307 lolmao500
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Any population that still has a monarch is a freaking joke and should be ashamed that this scum calling itself royalty ain't hanging high from the nearest tree. GO SCOTS, FREE YOURSELVES FROM THE EVIL ``ROYAL`` INBREDS!!

FU London, heart of the evil bankster empire for 200+ years. I hope it burns all to the fucking ground.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:36 | 5190367 mastersnark
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Yes, a democratic police state is SO much better than a pretend-monarchy police state.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:23 | 5190496 heresy101
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Evil 'Royal' Inbreds: +1000

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:33 | 5190535 Matt
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You're right, we should all be working towards becoming a homogenous mass of humanity, with no different laws, politics, culture, language. Everyone should become a cookie-cutter clone of America.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:19 | 5190315 skbull44
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As Charles Hugh-Smith argues in his book Survival+: "We must be alert to the...overwhelming need of the global Elites to reassure their restive, anxious populace that the structure of Elite dominance and wealth is robust, secure, and in the populace’s self-interest.

In actuality, the structure is not in the populace’s self interest, and it is increasingly insecure, brittle, and vulnerable to decay and/or disruption on numerous levels. Much of the vulnerability stems not from the Elite overreach but from the fact that we as a species have reached the carrying capacity of the planet in terms of a high-energy consumption dependency on cheap abundant petroleum for food, transport, water, ‘growth’, etc..

Nonetheless those who control the vast majority of assets, wealth, and tools of persuasion have the most to gain from a continuing belief in the system’s stability. Thus their defence of the system that serves their interests above all else will be fierce and unremitting." (emphasis added)

 

http://olduvai.ca

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:21 | 5190318 goldhedge
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Dump the Queen

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:40 | 5190380 Seasmoke
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Dump Tea. Hang the Queen.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:45 | 5190390 negative rates
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Dump Tea, Hang the Queen, Die, and be born again. You have been warned about the future 3am wake up call, right?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:03 | 5190429 MalteseFalcon
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Australia is 'independent' and retains the Queen.  Scotland can, too.  So, one less threat.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:09 | 5190695 Grande Tetons
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Kinda like popping a zit and keeping the puss. 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 21:04 | 5192265 scrappy
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Bring back the Justicars and the Guardians.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:20 | 5190319 Eyeroller
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So where is Scotland going to get the money for the UK Nanny State programs?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:22 | 5190326 Victor999
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Where does the UK get its money?  From the taxpayers, of course.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:33 | 5190363 Rusty Shorts
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Wrong.

 

Bank of England - Gold Bullion Vault

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTtf5s2HFkA

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:24 | 5190500 Victor999
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I thought Gordie sold all the UK gold?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:02 | 5190667 GetZeeGold
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Naw, just half....that we know about anyway.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 12:19 | 5190744 digitalindustry
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Nope the BOE gets the cash from the Taxpayer, they do this though inflation and just plain theft.

The UK gets the money from the BOE.

The Royals hang around and do something.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 11:16 | 5190470 rwe2late
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Scotland's DEBT threat to UK

David Cameron has called Alex Salmond's threat to default on Scotland's share of the national debt if it votes to leave the UK "one of the most chilling" claims made throughout the referendum debate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11073506/Da...

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:18 | 5191257 highwaytoserfdom
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Scotland going to get the money for the UK Nanny State programs?  Oil and North see gas. London traders going to loot?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 10:21 | 5190322 Victor999
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Only in the last couple of weeks has the Yes Team turned things around considerably.  This must mean that Putin sent in his troops and tanks covertly and scuttled the No's, turing it into a route.  Putin must be stopped!

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