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UK In "Full Panic Mode", Rains Brimstone, Bribes On Scotland As "Yes" To Independence Poll Crosses 50%
All pundits who over the past few months have been saying the possibility of Scottish independence as a result of the September 18 ballot, is at best a pipe dream got a rude wake up call overnight, when Scottish YouGov poll for the Sunday Times put the "Yes" (for independence campaign) on top for the first time since polling began, with No below the majority cutoff line for the first time, at 49, when undecided voters are excluded, and even when including undecideds "Yes" is still ahead by two points at 47-45. As the Spectator reports, "in the space of four weeks, "No" has blown a 22-point lead."
According to Bloomberg, "the shift to an outright lead for supporters of independence may further roil financial markets after the pound weakened last week when the pro-U.K side’s support narrowed to six percentage points." Granted, today's news may be GBP-negative, but Bloomberg seems to still operate under Old Normal assumptions whereby any news, bad or gad, is anything but great for stocks. Expect the S&P to hit new all time highs on this latest development which will be promptly "priced in" and spun as pent-up reunification.
The usual commentariat, which until recently was swearing the Yes vote has zero chance, is stunned :
“For a positive message to catch up so much in a month is totally unprecedented,” said Matt Qvortrup, a senior researcher at Cranfield University in England and author of “Referendums and Ethnic Conflict.” “This is pretty revolutionary stuff in referendum terms. We’re ringside to history.” The Sept. 18 ballot on Scottish independence is dominating the U.K. after door-to-door campaigning on both sides intensified last week and as traders and investors no longer rule out a dramatic victory for nationalist leader Alex Salmond."
Others were more direct and to the point:
Scottish poll reflects world-wide disillusion with political leaders and old establishments leaving openings for libertarians and far left.
— Rupert Murdoch (@rupertmurdoch) September 6, 2014
The Spectator's Fraser Nelson had this to say:
Make no mistake, the UK government will now be on full panic mode. This eclipses everything: the country is 12 days away from dissolution. We’re seeing an almost perfect rerun of what happened in Quebec in October 1995 when the ‘yes’ pulled into a lead at the last minute. Then, Canadians (who had ignored the debate until then) suddenly took notice, realising that their country was falling apart. Seven days before the poll, a massive unity rally in Montreal was organised (details here) by a fisheries minister acting on his own initiative. God knows such initiatives are needed now.
UK politicians, naturally, were not happy, starting with the head of the UK Treasury, Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne, for whom any change from the status quo is very much unwelcome:
Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne said a program for increased devolution to Scotland if it votes No, offering Edinburgh more control over taxes, public spending and social policy, will be announced in the “next few days” as the London government responds to the shift in the polls.
“It’s clear that Scotland wants more control over the decisions that affect Scotland,” Osborne said in a televised BBC interview. “The timetable for delivering that will be put into effect the moment there is a ‘no’ vote in the referendum. Then Scotland will have the best of both worlds. They will both avoid the risks of separation but have more control over their own destiny, which is where I think many Scots want to be.”
Osborne also reiterated his opposition, which is shared by all major parties in Westminster, to currency union with an independent Scotland. “No ifs, no buts, we will not share the pound if Scotland splits from the rest of the U.K.,” he said.
His predecessor quickly chimed in: enter Alistair Darling.
‘The polls may conflict, but the message I take from them is clear: If you want Scotland to remain part of the UK family you have to vote for it on 18 September. Separation is forever. These polls can and must now serve as a wake-up call to anyone who thought the referendum result was a foregone conclusion. It never was. It will go down to the wire. Now is the time to speak up and speak out.
‘We are hitting the streets, knocking on the doors, making the calls in unprecedented numbers and we are hearing the people of Scotland respond positively to our vision of Scotland securing the best of both worlds. That means more powers for Scotland without taking on all the risks of separation.
‘We relish this battle. It is not the Battle of Britain – it is the battle for Scotland, for Scotland’s children and grandchildren and the generations to come. This is a battle we will win.’
It only got more panicky from there:
With campaigning in its final days, the opposition Labour Party is trying to keep its supporters onside in a traditional heartland and vote against independence. Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, now a Labour legislator, will tour the country making the case for the union.
“I want to share our resources with the rest of the United Kingdom, and that will mean better pensions, better health care, more jobs and better security,” Brown, a Scot, said in an interview with Sky News. “Whatever government is in power temporarily, you’ve got to look at the long term picture. You’ve got to look 50 years ahead, 100 years ahead. This is an irreversible decision.”
But perhaps realizing that dazzling them with glass beads and cheap promises won't work, UK's Prime Minister went "all the way" and pulled a nuclear Hank Paulson, threatening Scotland with outright death and destruction if it votes to secede. From Bloomberg:
Scotland will be more vulnerable to terrorist attacks in a “very dangerous and insecure world” if it votes for independence on Sept. 18, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said.
Being part of a union gives Scots the protective benefits of being part of a larger country, Cameron told reporters at the end of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s summit in Newport, Wales, yesterday.
“With terrorist threats and other threats, isn’t it better to be part of a United Kingdom that has a top-five defense budget, some of the best intelligence and security services anywhere in the world, that is part of every single alliance that really matters in the world in terms of NATO, the G-8, the G-20, the European Union, a member of the security council of the UN?” Cameron said. “All those networks and abilities to work with allies to keep us safe. Isn’t it better to have those things than separate yourself from them?”
Because how else can Scotland protect itself than by aligning with the nation that, together with the US, provided weapons to these "terrorists" in the first place.
And while everyone else demanded a continuation of the status quo, and is "stunned" at the Scottish people for not appreciating the "clear benefits" that a union provides, one person who was absolutely delighted was Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond who said he expects more the 80 percent turnout in independence referendum on Sept. 18 after a poll for the first time gave a lead for his party’s ‘Yes’ campaign. “We’re encouraged by the clear panic in the ‘No’ campaign,” Salmond said in a BBC interview.
"They’ve failed to scare the Scots, now they’re trying to bribe us. That won’t work either."
But they'll keep on trying: just recall "Scottish Independence 'Yes' Vote Is A "High Risk" Event, Citi Warns." Sure enough, here comes Citi with the postmortem released moments ago, with a note titled: "Sterling Is Set for Negative Surprise After Scottish Poll"
- Recent history would suggest that a move for the pound toward 1.56 vs USD or lower cannot be excluded if Scotland leaves the union, Citigroup writes in client note today.
- Outright lead in pro-independence campaign in latest YouGov survey will keep investors anxious about the outcome of the referendum on Sept. 18
- Referendum authorities may conduct more polls in remaining week and a half; fact is, of the 86 polls conducted since 2012, only two put ’’Yes’’ vote in the lead
- Better U.K. data this week, such as July industrial and manufacturing production, may be of little comfort
- Carney testimony to Treasury committee hearing on Sept. 10 could highlight political and economic risks for GBP from the referendum
And from Berenberg:
- Risk that Scotland will vote for independence is real and rising; recent movements have been further and faster than anticipated, Rob Wood, U.K. economist at Berenberg writes in client note.
- Still expect a no vote; yes campaign lead is within margin of error and latest poll is not matched in other polls, could be an outlier
- Scotland is re-running the 1995 Quebec independence referendum, which went down to wire before ending in tight vote against splitting from Canada
- A Yes to independence could cause serious short-term pain over uncertainty on currency, EU status; Scotland may be forced to austerity
- May raise risk of U.K. exit from EU without pro-EU Scotland
- A close No vote would keep alive chances of another referendum in 5-10 years, could mean additional powers for Scotland, kickstarting changes to U.K. regional governance
Etc.
Of course, everyone knows that the end result of the "vote" will be arbitrated by the proverbial, if not literal Diebold, which we somehow doubt will allow such an earth-shattering outcome as Scotland being allowed to determine its fate, to take place. Because if they can, suddenly it becomes an option for the rest of Europe, a continent where as Mario Draghi has explained time and again, there is far too much political capital invested in allowing the peasants to decide their own fate.
In the meantime, however, what better excuse than to grab the popcorn, sit back and enjoy an all-time classic.

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Hey Escrava - wow! yer thread on gas comsumption vanished in seconds....why???!!!...... But I did have a question for you: I noticed a recent column by respected oil authority Michael Klare that gas use was increasing in the usa:
As it happens, the opposite is occurring. U.S. oil consumption is on an upward trajectory, climbing by 400,000 barrels per day in 2013 alone -- and, if current trends persist, it should rise again both this year and next.
In other words, oil is back. Big time. Signs of its resurgence abound. Despite what you may think, Americans, on average, are driving more miles every day, not fewer, filling ever more fuel tanks with ever more gasoline, and evidently feeling ever less bad about it.
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-09-05/oil-is-back
I mean, it's gonna go way down as time goes on for sure. But where did you get your info?....Perhaps Mr Klare is wrong?.... Just keepin' it real...
CRY FREEDOM SCOTLAND!!!
Looks like less gasoline-MUCH less -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-30/us-gasoline-consumption-plummet...
doctor10,
Don't use that article. That article is wrong in so many ways.
But I will have more by answering Zandalf on the above thread.... And that did notice my post.
Zandalf
Hey, from Washington, DC.
If you want to understand oil, please stop reading massmedia and especially Michael Klare.
Thanks to the internet, there are much more reliable sources out there.
I am going to supply you some. But don’t take my word for it. Read them, yourself.
Without boring you too much:
US gasoline 2007
Produced: 3.3 billion barrels
Imported: 173 million barrels
Exported: 1.5 million barrels
US gasoline 2013
Produced: 3.2 billion barrels
Imported: 16.1 million barrels
Exported: 4.4 million barrels
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mgfupus1&f=a
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MGFIMUS1&f=A
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MGFEXUS2&f=M
Conventional Oil
Consumption 2006: 21.7 million barrels a day
Consumption 2014: 18.4 million barrels a day
http://www.eia.gov/countries/country-data.cfm?fips=US
http://www.eia.gov/countries/index.cfm?view=consumption
Produced 2006: 5.1 million barrels a day
Produced 2014: 7.4 million barrels a day
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=A
Unconventional Oil
Shale 2014: 3.3 million barrels a day
http://peakoilbarrel.com/eia-petroleum-supply-monthly/
Other Liquids
Palm oil, ethanol and other biofuels came to 2,354,000 barrels per day
Note: These are mostly produced outside of the USA
http://peakoilbarrel.com/eia-update-march-production-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-45269
Malaysian Airlines would be foolish to fly over Scotland now.
Word up there dawg!
They have the Stone of Scone......and I think they just might use it.
Or Pan Am.
If Scotland does vote to secede, Russia might claim that the referenum was not legitimate and then refuse to recognize the new Scottish Republic. This would clear the way for them to incite the Russian oligarchs in power in London to begin shelling Edinburgh and Glasgow.
Why Russia? Isn't it that US-government will think about airstrikes while first-hand mentions of airstrikes around Aberdeen and the falls of Glomach will be reported already on twitter?
Then they'll post a youtube of Sean Connery's head coming off.
Done by an evil fur hatted terrorist.
I love that they want out of the UK, but from what I understand they will be out of the UK and into the EU.
If that is true, the Scots are truly fucked.
This is one of the main things keeping a lot of people here from voting 'Yes'. Leaving one corrupt, centralised absentee government to get straight into bed with an even more corrupt, disinterested centralised absentee government makes no sense. As some folk at work keep pointing out though, we can vote 'Yes' then a few months later ditch Salmon for someone willing to stay away from Europe. This strategy is somewhat more risky though. Why the 'yes' campaign were so moronic as to tie themselves to Europe is beyond me.
The 'No' vote don't seem to realise that threatening will simply make people want to vote 'Yes' and be damned. Then they throw the most unpopular shit heads from previous governments at us (Brown and Darling) to try and persade people to vote 'No' - it's madness.
At the end of the day though there will be one slimy grinning buffoon on TV next to another pouting one, whichever way it goes.
if the Scots do not want to join the EU they can join Switzerland...
"I love that they want out of the UK, but from what I understand they will be out of the UK and into the EU.
If that is true, the Scots are truly fucked."
Agreed. Out of the frying pan into the fire...
Caucasian Mongrel, I can't upvote you because you started your comment with italics and this somehow stops the lil' arrows working, but you get my vote.
Billy Connelly.
Yes!
"Queen ‘horrified’ that Scotland might go it alone Now, now,"
Soon the Queen will be replaced by a radical cleric. The UK and Europe is turning into a satellite middle eastern nation.
The impact of this will be nothing compared to Germany leaving the EU. Germanic peoples be gittin antsy.
Too late, like everything else the whole independence issue has been subverted and polluted, more controlled opposition. They will apparently just vote their people and culture into extinction at an even faster rate. By the way, the idea that the UK is at odds with even more immigration is a complete ruse, as immigration in the UK has increased even more over the last year. Cheers.
http://www.migrantvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-immigration-numbers-up-...
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/ukip-david-camerons-imm...
History predicts that those ballot boxes will be "taken care of". The "Yes" vote will never materialize. (sorry, don't kill the messenger)
“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”- Mark Twain
Are you saying it's a lock; Bush Wins?
A Scots yes vote means the Scots get to keep all the oil for themselves.
Not a bad move. Bonnie Prince Charile would be proud, or at least avenged, altho I suspect he would have been a Unionist.
A toast of Drambuie!
Ya hafta read all these comments in a Scottish accent there laddie. It makes the comments much more entertainin'
The Queen has fears. Then off with her head and the heads of her degenerate children. No aristocracies in a modern technological world. No Sheiks and Kings and Presidents. Fuck the Oligarchs and England too.
What about UK leaving the EU (i.e UKIP) ?
Some banks are planning to move operations to Ireland to keep within the EU if UK steps out.
Moves afoot.
They can take their liabilities with them
All that matters is what the Rothschild banksters want.
No one really votes, they go to the polls and the banksters later tell them what they voted for.
An American, not US subject.
as with most things, if you look at betting markets, they will be far more accurate than the BS polls, such as the Sunday Times poll....This is the current betting market:
Yes.....2.4/1
No.....2/5
That means the gamblers are betting against a Yes. However UK gamblers are the same sort of folks who, if in the USA, buy lottery tickets.
The status quo is generally the safest bet.
Doesn't mean it's a sure thing.
You can tell there's panic in the Englanders' underwear when the media drags out apparent no voting, famous (use that lightly!), Scottish ex pats who don't even pay taxes or live here anymore.. This yes vote is going through my friends.. The egg splattered windows of the no voters around my town proves it :-)
Top five in tax money spent on military, member Nato, G-7, G 20 best spy network to keep you in check and a threat of not being able to use a sinking British Pound.
And these are supposed to be incentives to want to stay Georgie Boy? Apparently he just don't get it.
Oh but think of the terrorists, your supposed to be scared and need our protection. LOL
the panic extends far from the borders of the UK...
murdoch is shitting his diapers right now, because everything could unravel for the MOMCOM
how convenient the threat of al qaeda 2.0 has become, while leading up to this potentially paradigm-shifting referendum.
Murdock, hating both Labour and Tory parties fully supports Scottish independence. If just to piss of David (Selfie) Cameron.
you're right, but murdoch should be shitting his diapers if he has not yet...
as i said, this is bigger than the borders of the UK.
if the yes vote plays out, who knows where and when this wave will end.
actual decentralisation/devolution of power scares the shit out of the ruling elite unless they can figure out new ways to continue the illusion.
then again, maybe this referundum is part of that illusion. ;-)
I worry that Scotland, like Northern Ireland, has an overabundance of the "dependent classes", and that they will find out the hard way, when First Glasgow, then Edinburgh, then Aberdeen fall to ravaging hordes whose benefits have been cut off.
Then again, they could embrace the gold standard, ramp up oil and gas production, and lower taxes - it really depends what kind of populist Salmond actually is.
Grab the popcorn, but also worry if you have relatives there - I do.
"They’ve failed to scare the Scots, now they’re trying to bribe us. That won’t work either."
Good for them
Did he say "G8" ?
Why can't we have the old G7 back again? It was a lot more fun.
no dis intended init
but they rape kids in westminster
the pink folks that is.
the lords and the ladies,mp and cabinet member.
judge police chief and barrister.
they media bust a few gary glitter yesterday paki gang today ho hum.
the scotch
or is scottish
have a freedumb right
or is it rite
masonic that is.
satanics just as strong as london if not stronger.
the scottish masonics rape kids 2.
all recorded by mi5 and the mossad for full spectrum control.
the question should be what does lord rothschild think of this?
then we can work out
what the talmudic score really is.
mel gibson talked freedom
alex salmon does
mossad masonic hand shake.
scotch legal head or is it scottish kenny mackas kill said a couple of libyans did lokerbie.
he is a liar like salmon all part of the gladio control grid.
..."isn’t it better to be part of...some of the best intelligence and security services anywhere in the world...?"
Um...NO. If the Scots can gain one thing from independence - freedom from government intrusion of all kinds - then it sounds like a great deal.
Besides, does anyone really thing the U.K. would allow part of their island, independent or not, to be invaded or otherwise compromised? No; just like the doom of any independence movement within the USA, Scotland can check out anytime they want, but they can never leave.
In a country ruled by an autocracy, with a completely enslaved press, in a period of desperate political reaction in which even the tiniest outgrowth of political discontent and protest is persecuted, the theory of revolutionary Marxism suddenly forced its way into the censored literature before the government realized what had happened and the unwieldy army of censors and gendarmes discovered the new enemy and flung itself upon him.
Lenin, What Is To Be Done?, “Criticism in Russia” (1901)
I don't really expect that this hopeful sign of de-globalization will actually materialize into an realization of victory, but the trend is clear. A radically dislocating event will take place at some point.
The elite seem to be failing and the desperation is becoming so much more blatant.
' "Scotland will be more vulnerable to terrorist attacks in a “very dangerous and insecure world” if it votes for independence on Sept. 18, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said.'
What a bonehead (Cameron). As if terrorists care about Scotland. It's London they're after (if anything).
Cameron just betrayed, in his own fear, the real reason separatists are in the right: The consolidators who want one rule for everyone no matter how irrelevant, or negatively it impacts those who do not need or want it, are scared to death that a wave of secessions would begin tho tear down their carefully constructed power base that enriches the elite at the expense of everyone else, an elite that exempts itself from the very laws it passes for everyone else, like the health care that U.S. Politicians get without cost, while BamsterCare lines the pockets of the United Health Cares and Humanas executives that bribed him to get it passed.
Of course we should expect any entity that stops in its tracks any further consolidation to be suspect, corrupt and self-serving.
"Public Service" needs to be renamed, "Self-Service".
It's funny the quebec election was mentioned. Yes, same as always, the English, canadian government, was caught buying votes and cheating.
Now this was a provincial election, federal really, the gov was caught cheating, lying, and no one went to jail, and no one got to re-vote.
Same gov who sold all Canada's gold, allowed the private banks to take over the canadian central banks role, cheated tier way with a free trade vote and now invades other countries. Oh Canada! My ass.
One pissed off canadian!
It looks like England-Wales may be getting their independence from the UK. Well, there's Northern Ireland also. Most of them are Scots-Irish, though, so maybe they'll join Scotland.
Wales is not really a separate country which is why it does not have full devolution. Scotland has separate laws, separate judicial system Wales does not
Yeah, many Welsh still consider themselves to be the rightful owners of Britain (rather than a separate entity) as their ancestors were 'pushed' into Wales by Germanic invaders and even by the Romans before that.
Welsh are irrelevant
"separation is permanent"
If I were a Scot, and I believed in the scientific method, I'd actually test this. I would vote for independance and get it. Then I would encourage the U.K. to periodically vote on referendums "Would we accept Scotland back?" and then observe the results.
This is all Putin fault, all of it. How dare those separatists, terrorists...Scottish fundamentalists demand independence???... They should all be punished for this grave threat to the British territorial "integrity".
If Scotland wants independence then so be it, but sorting out the political and economic ties with the rest of the UK, may be difficult. Scotland has to be allowed to stand on its own two feet without the rest of the UK financially and economically supporting it.
The Euro proves that more than one sovereign country cannot easily use the same currency. Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Italy and Spain have discovered that you cannot have full independence and share a currency. Another problem is that if the UK Government is to agreeable to a separation, will Wales and Northern Ireland move towards independence? That might encourage similar movements in Catalonia, Belgium, Northern League in Italy, Basques, Cornish, and among the Poles. More on the issues surrounding this issue in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/06/british-pound-and-independant-sco...
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This is baloney. Every nation is free to enter into mutually agreed upon contracts, treaties, and other associations beneficial to themselves and those nations or states they choose to.
Full independence is a myth, as no nation but the most backward are stand alones.
The world's people, not the top 10%, should be clamoring for the dissolution of ALL the Plutocratic countries since they are the ones continually being screwed by an omnipotent federal government that, for instance, treats illegal immigration the same in Montana, Idaho, and Arizona when Arizona is bearing the brunt of the impact of millions of illegals crossing their borders. Arizona should build a sufficiently high fence that no illegal can get over. And the citizens should pay for it, if they can get some Federal aid to do so, great since the disapora of those illegals could easily reach Colorado, and other contiguous states that do not border Mexico.
Good on ya, Scotland!!!
When the center cannot hold, it should not. Death to all the unholy alliances seeking One New World Order, with a few men and women telling everyone else how to live, what to do, who is married and who is not.
Empowering the individual need not be either/or. Alliances made between separate entities are just as easily done as an agreement between partners.
No baloney here. I contend you misinterpreted my comment, I did not say they could not go their own way. I said pros and cons existed in what they decided. If Scotland chooses independence other areas may follow.
"Scotland has to be allowed to stand on its own two feet without the rest of the UK financially and economically supporting it".
This is the Jumbo I was referring to, mea culpa. They need not stand on their own two feet, no nation does.
N'est ce pas?
they can get away from England, but can they get away from the EU?
the grateful un... they can get away from England, but can they get away from the EU?
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How about can they get away from their on corrupt government and banksters?
Think I'll watch Braveheart today. Alistair, Darling
Scotland has been a refuge for troublemakers and rebels for millenia .
Their example inspired the remnants of the Romano-Britons after the Anglo-Saxon ethnic cleansing to persevere .
So , The Welsh are next .
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2012/03/staffordshire-treasure-and-welsh-c...
Really start worrying if the women begin to take up needlework .
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/06/lace.html
Will Brittany in France join them ?
Or will Scotland join BRICS ?
Needlework is good for women. It gives them something to occupy their brains while they're talking.
I do remember same threats and prophecies of doom leveled at Slovakia when it was separating from Czech republic. 20 years on, they pretty much caught up with Czechs and overtook them in some ways. No worries Scotland, you can do it. Freedom!
similar to when India got independence in 1947
Media tries to pretend their polls "move" - they give massive free support for the side they favor but as the election draws near their "polling" has to converge to the truth otherwise they will discredit themselves (although this fear is only in their minds - nobody believes them any more).
We see the same effect with "ratings agencies" hurriedly issuing their downgrades for a company which is going to announce bankruptcy on sunday.
And again, most of the ZHs miss it.
So what? The people trade one government for another. Well isn't that progress? NOT
As if a Scottish government wouldn't be as corrupt and enslave its citizens like the British have. LOL
What a joke.
Exactly. While the concept of secession is great, they are hardly going to become some 'rogue' libertarian nation. Statism is statism no matter what flag it is wrapped in. I am pro nationalism if it means ethnic pride, heritage, culture, tradition, etc, but nations do not =states. States=systematic theft and coercion. Another way of putting this is I favor Greece and every other nation seceding from the EU, but printing drachma is not a panacea. The euro 'strength' is not their problem. The problem is anticompetitive business environs. I actually like the euro more than the dollar long term as at least they can't just print it at whim and German finance minister opposes inflation.
Smaller government closer to home is always beneficial to the people who live there because it is much easier to control the politicians. The days of empire are almost over. Look at the USA, flat broke and still the neocons think they rule the world. I worry about those idiots, because when reality hits them square in the face, they are liable to take the world down with them. If they wanted world hegemony, they should have kept the economy strong and led by example, not force. They should have stayed that shining city on the hill, instead of DHS, FEMA, COG, police state, etc. When they reach the day of their demise, I for one, will not forget. I have a pitchfork, a rope and a torch. Those things still work even in an EMP scenario.
Also, God Bless Scotland and may they succeed and prosper.
So, that confirms my intuition: they don't lie, they are really caught in a bubble cut off from reality. Anyone with a smattering of knowledge about Scotland knows that, if you give half a chance at independence to the Scots, you are in real danger of seeing the back of them.
But they didn't know, or didn't realize. Unbelievable.
You have to admire their cheek, too. They sell the country to bankers, turn it into a hell-hole of benefits for jobs, dare shame the jobless on top by calling them lazy, then go down on their knees to beg them to stay.
The only annoying thing here is Alex Salmond. Why on earth he wants to get Scotland into the EU is beyond me.
Rest of UK exits EU, Scotland takes over the its spot. Wales will be really pissed off cause they will lose shitloads of EU subsidies and will try to go for it alone as well. Northern Ireland is being kept in UK by brute force only anyway and will reunite with Ireland when it can. And then Farage can rule England with the cretin permagrin instead of a face. Happy days. The proud british empire reduced to total rubble. Karma is a biatch.
UK does not get much from EU because Regional Aid must be matched 50:50 by UK Treasury plus it reduces the British Rebate......and much of the aid is now going to Poland
UK overall maybe not but Wales certainly does.
From Bubble to Rubble. it rhymes :-)
Damn, I wish some of our welfare slums would vote for independence. Canada almost got lucky in 1995, but Quebec voters realized at the last minute that socialism won't work if there's no federal government to pay for it.
UK's terrified because:
1 Putin is investing a lot of money in NGOs that preach independence.
2 Gazpron will invest in the exploitation of North Sea Oil.
3 China wants a foot in Europe, creating something like Hong Kong, one Scottish Pound "£ E" would be interesting.
4 The first act of the new government will reverse the direction on the streets and roads.
The 5-second attitude is to determine Gaelic as an official language.
6 The third attitude is the national drink like whiskey.
7 The fourth attitude is back The Scots Kirk.
hehe.
I can't believe no one has brought up what this is really about. Voting is always emotional, and what is driving the emotions is Rotterdam. It's a shining example that the compact has been broken. The compact is, "we give you the monopoly on violence, and you protect us from the savages and barbarians." Rotterdam is blatent, unconvertable evidence that England has given up on it's side of the compact, and the barbarians and savages are running free, as long as they aren't inside London.
Scotland wants, essentially, to be safe from the barbarians.
With the one eyed fucking retarded boy bothering pedophile cunt who had as fucking day pass at Elm House on the troll, I should imagine that any decent Scot would throw bricks with razor blades embedded in them at the fucking stinking fart called Broon.
And guarantee a yes vote.
Purely to have independence to bring back the death sentence for the sole purpose of hanging that cunt would be sufficient reason for a YES vote
I hope Scotland separates from England. After some initial problems, for each it will be good.
Czech and Slovakia are the model here
Good for the Scots.
So, what happens to the "Union" if Scotland secedes?
Will still be a Union Jack?
Will Wales decide to leave too?
If Wales also leaves the Union will there be such a thing as an Englishman again?
Will England be able to use the English flag again?
Will St. George's Day (23 April) be openly celebrated?
We can only hope!
The union is the union between the scottish and english crowns... It would be broken.
The Union Jack is just a flag. Keep it if you like it. I imagine the scots will be flying The Saltire.
Wales is not Scotland.
A jack is a pennant on a car not a flag. There will be no Great Britain without Scotland and the country is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland officially
THis issue is starting to concern me and it is sooooooooooooo simple
All economies through the leverage in banks or QE create money to pump the economy because truth be known without it they would all be crashing. Now up steps Scotland, no central bank and a very big question...
Will the banks in Scotland be able to create British pounds and what happens if they decide to create far more than they should. Or alternatively the BOE has to do QE again in the future because if people cannot afford to borrow money (create the new stuff) how will this be financially reconciled for Scotland.
So no problem if you want to get out of the union but for both sides now you need to form your own currency and central bank. Then you sink or swim on your own financial merits not sponge off another or maybe find yourself crushed if the UK starts to print.
Salmon keeps ducking this issue but it is important for all sides and it has been the major problem for the eurozone economies.
Wonder how many of the UK would want to separate themselves from the London Bankster haven?
Or do they still think that the banksters provide them with welfare?
LISTEN! "Long Live the PASTAFARIANS"!
A parallel could be drawn with Norway and Sweden. Would the Norse be better off if they still had the Swedes with which to share their oil and gas wealth (and their responsibilities to their people)? I doubt it.
Maybe the Scots will not want to spend quite as much of their GDP "protecting" their interests places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine? They could go the way that Ireland and Austria has gone -- sans NATO -- but with a very real store of natural resources.
Ever been in a Company that was Bought out by another Company ?..
the first thing to Get changed is where the Checks are Mailed.
"Governments are sovereign."
Absolutely not. Governments are no more than servile appointees of the sovereign.
In the US (and virtually all other modern constitutional republics), the sovereign is the people. In the UK (and in Commonwealth realms), the sovereign is the Queen.
In the US, the sovereign has become
the USAIPAC Plutocrat bankers, and
UK/EU have become their toadying sycophants.
Scotland:--refuse servility to Brussels !!!
I think you have it really just bass ackwards! Please recall that we got our miserable Federal Reserve via the European, and particularly, British banksters (to include Warfield, Rothschilds, et al) collusion with bought US politicians and Morgan - you know, our special relationship. Rhodes must be loving it!
YES!-YES!-YES!-YES!
BUT STAY OUT OF EU AT ALL COSTS ! ! !
it makes no sense to rid yourselves
of one master, only to hand control of
all of your money and sovereign rights
over to an infinitely worse master in Brussels.
Brussels is totally dominated by
USAIPAC/Rothschild Plutocrat bankers
with only one agenda:
World domination through
total financial control
The U.K. Parliament better play nice or their Scotch Whiskey rations will be halved... They might have to switch to vodka, so I'm pretty sure Stolichnaya is off the sanctions list for now. :-)
Stolichnaya is not Russian vodka, BTW. Made in Latvia, pure EU product.
For those wo still wondered.
Which explains why it's much over-rated.
Stolichnaya has its origins in the Moscow State Wine Warehouse No. 1 which was opened in 1901 by the authorities to ensure higher quality vodka production.
Here's another factoid for ya.
Stolichnaya (Russian: ??????????, also known as Stoli) is a vodka made of wheat and rye grain. A well-known Soviet brand, Stolichnaya for international distribution is bottled in Latvia using Latvian water but alcohol from a distillery in Tambov by a company chartered in Luxembourg but founded by a Russian which distributes a wide variety of Russian spirits, having purchased a number of former Soviet brands and operations. Stolichnaya for Russian distribution is manufactured in Kaliningrad by a separate Russian company.[2]
Sorry, your infos are outdated. Never trust Wikipedia...
"Stolichnaya is produced in Latvia by Latvijas Balzams, which has 600 employees and is one of the country’s biggest exporters. However, Latvijas Balzams is nearly 90 per cent owned by Luxembourg-based SPI Group."
SPI, in turn, is run by a Russian oligarch who hasn't been anywhere near Moscow, let alone the Kremlin, for over ten years. Because he's Russian-born doesn't mean his company is.
Stolichnaya vodka hasn't been Russian since 2011.
http://bamarket.info/news/199.html
Classic Putin divide and conquer scheme
TPTB will never let Scotland leave Great Britain peacefully. I'll bet that there will be a "miraculous" surge in no votes that will make it a 70-30 no vote majority.
Just assume for a moment that it would be a yes. How in the world would the brits then call "scotland yard" ?
scotland yard is the name of the street it's on.
And the Metropolitan Police (ie. London police) are moving out of Scotland Yard to cut costs, so they won't be Scotland Yard anymore.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225197/Metropolitan-Police-forc...
Wow, the Scots want to "give up" the Royal Family?
Time for London to call in
Madelaine Albright and Diebold
to manage some serious
ballot box stuffing
I recommend they use a paper ballot as well as the Diebold and not release any results until the paper ballots are counted, even if it take two weeks. Otherwise, I'm going to bet in favor of the no vote, say, 50.1% no - 49.9% yes.
Where is Scotland's gold?
Laying around for 12 years in oak barrels.
under the North Sea.
Webster Tarpley has some good insights about the Scotland vote. He belives that even with a yes vote England will still have much to say about what happens in Scotland.
http://tarpley.net/audio/WCR-20140906.mp3
France
Uruguay
Canada
Kazachstan
They MUST have something in common. But what?
" "the shift to an outright lead for supporters of independence may further roil financial markets after the pound weakened last week when the pro-U.K side’s support narrowed to six percentage points.""
If Scotland benefits from, i.e. is a drain on, the rest of the UK, wouldn't Sterling appreciate at the prospect of losing the parasite?
That's been my argument all along. If we're such freeloaders you'd think they'd be falling over themselves to give us our independence ASAP. If Scotland goes, Labour is screwed in England, so why is David Cameron getting all teary-eyed at the thought of losing us? I think the answer lies under the North Sea.
The answer lies in them all being different faces of the same monster.
Vote no for 300 years of more of the same.
Or vote yes and change.
Cameron, was, btw, correct about the increased threat of terrorism.
If it becomes independent it will, presumably open a US Embassy.
Always a bad sign.
The great William Blum notes:
Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Libya 2011*
Syria 2012
Q: Why will there never be a coup d’état in Washington?
A: Because there’s no American embassy there.
Long list. What I miss in your list is for example
-Czech republic 2013, the Necas government was close to sign a contract for NPP, against Westinghouse.
-Italy 3x after Berlusconi, 3 prime ministers and 3 governments without elections, just an appointee by Italiaqn marxist president and Draghi. Berlusconi threatened to leave Euro zone.
Those events in the EU went via a court & justice in both EU states.
Necas government was brought down by his domina mistress, no US overthrow attemp needed.
UK 1969
That's a list any Socialist regime would envy... Team U.S.A. paying it forward, " Broken Glass Style".
That's OK, we'll make sure it's located in the middle of Rannoch Moor, well away from the nearest distillery.
GO SCOTLAND!
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article47228.html
Best article I know of. Apologies if posted already.
SCOTLAND THE BRAVE ~ PIPES & DRUMS ~ ( HD )
Passing time, Mrs. Atomizer is a slow packer. Last time we were in Myrtle Beach, I was outside watching the ocean waves roll in. Heard the bag pipes in the distance, play this song. Mrs. Atomizer and I scrambled to the beach. She was all decked out in Scottish clothing, about 22-24 years of age. We recorded her from my phone, exchanged our names.
Hope to see her again during our week long stay in Myrtle Beach.
The Scots have seen what multiculturalism has done in Britain, and do not want to continue it in Scotland.
The Brits have also seen it and should embrace UKIP. It is the only way to Save England and hopefully Europe. Multiculturalism is fa failure, without political, religious, and philosophical underpinnings.
Exactly, southern UK Population drives themselves on the financial industry, while the Northern section is still farming industry. (shagging the sheep, inside joke).
On a after note of above post of mine
My son from inital marriage took up a interest in playing the bag pipes at 14. He is the same age bracket of the women who we saw on the beach. Finally in route to our place.
"Osborne also reiterated his opposition, which is shared by all major parties in Westminster, to currency union with an independent Scotland. “No ifs, no buts, we will not share the pound if Scotland splits from the rest of the U.K.,” he said."
First, they cannot prevent Scotland or any other country from using the pound. All the Scottish government has to do is make it legal tender. Second, why on Earth would the Scots WANT to use the super-soft pound? They should set up a hard currency of their own or, if that's not possible at the moment (I seem to recall a certain idiot Labor PM selling off most of the British gold reserve), then eliminate all legal tender laws and allow for competing currencies.
"Scotland will be more vulnerable to terrorist attacks in a “very dangerous and insecure world” if it votes for independence on Sept. 18, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said. Being part of a union gives Scots the protective benefits of being part of a larger country...."
Obviously, that's why Switzerland and Norway lie in ruins, battered by devastating terrorist attacks. Their policy of minding their own business and not joining in aggressive military alliances bent on world domination have left them utterly helpless against the non-existent blowback from their non-existent military adventures in the Middle East.
It was a Scot who sold off the uk gold.
He was a part of the Caledonian mafia who the English let run their show for years. The reverse could never happen, but please don't think us Scots are racist; even though the brainless ones are.
Scotland setting up a gold standard would be great but I think they would probably be invaded by N.A.T.O. and Alex Salmond would be put on the list of evil tyrants.
Eliminating legal tender laws and using competing currencies is a solution and it would also impose fiscal discipline on the Scottish government as they would not be allowed to borrow/print out of thin air.
Somehow I do not see an independent Scotland doing the right thing on the monetary front though. They will probably create a new fiat currency and inflate it like there is no tomorrow.
Considering that Scottish PMs ordered the English taxpayer to take the liabillity for bailing out the Scottish banking system, it seems only fair for them to take that liability with them.
I read that as Cameron threatening Scotland with terrorism if they leave.
With guys like Cameron, it is hard to tell the degree to which he secretly knows that events like 9/11 and 7/7 were inside job, false flag attacks, DONE BY "some of the best intelligence and security services anywhere in the world."
The citizens being armed with automatic weapons makes the Swiss a much tougher target to load the internment wagons.
"Osborne also reiterated his opposition, which is shared by all major parties in Westminster, to currency union with an independent Scotland. “No ifs, no buts, we will not share the pound if Scotland splits from the rest of the U.K.,” he said."
First, they cannot prevent Scotland or any other country from using the pound. All the Scottish government has to do is make it legal tender. Second, why on Earth would the Scots WANT to use the super-soft pound? They should set up a hard currency of their own or, if that's not possible at the moment (I seem to recall a certain idiot Labor PM selling off most of the British gold reserve), then eliminate all legal tender laws and allow for competing currencies.
first off, any idiot can see that "No currency union" means no INPUT ON DEFICITS, EXCHANGE RATES, TREASURY BOND ISSUES, and &c. Scotland can use the pound the same way that some Caribbean nations used to use the dollar, and with the same restrictions - i.e. no currency policy.
Second, as has been noted, the "idiot Labour" man, Gordon Brown, who sold all the gold was a Scot, and Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time, not PM. But don't let the facts get in your way!
Go Scotland, go!!
prince phillip in his cute short skirt next to mommy. family pictures are so revealing. nazi f*ck.
charles
Waiting for the UK to announce an Islamic Cleric as their next leader.
Switching from the BBC as their main televsion news source to Al Jazeera.
The culture of the Brits has been destroyed, Same as what's happening in the rest of Europe.
Yes, yes and yes.
Too stupid and greedy (and lazy) to see the grip and infestation of Muslim garbage infiltrating every pore of their social fabric.
The Germans will soon begin to toss them out. Watch.
what about your raping rabbis isaac are they not scum.
your freak kosher sister shows us who is behind this social fabric manipulation.
Barbara Lerner Spectre and jewish implementation of multiracial multiculturalism in the Europehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
Be aware, a great many of we English are aware of the multicultural fuck up and the islamist threat, and don't like it one little bit. The dead-weights in Westminster flatly refuse to acknowledge though (oh who can imagine why?), and pack the polls with their own kind to maintain the fucked-up status quo.
rabbbinical satanics more like moshe you pink polish cunt
So? The BBC has been hijacked by Africa, at least that's all I saw on it last month. I don't understand the enthralled mesmerism.
This is not a problem: Give the local voting locations Diebold machines.
Besides, it hardly matters in the end. Given the current trajectory, we'll all be saluting the same flag and using the same "currency" soon enough. Which vassal of the international machine you live in may not mean as much that you would fight for it.
That's their plan, but fuck "their".
I thought the British pound was a freely convertible currency which means it can be bought and sold without government restrictions. If the newly independent Scotland earns enough pounds, euros or dollars from trade they should be free to use any of those cureencies. So it is strange that the Chancellor, George Osborne, is saying that Scotland would not be allowed to use the British pound.
There is the pound that you see on currency notes, and the pound you see on treasury notes (gilts). That is the key difference.
Scotland is like Quebec:
"Either subsidize our socialism, or we leave", both Scottland and Quebec say.
You know what?
I'm tired of subsidizing quebecois.
I say, just leave.
Quebec doesn't have oil.
They do have energy though.
And lots of good clean fresh water.
Falling down
Into the sea.
Probably another election that will come down to who actually shows up to the polls (assuming it all isn't rigged anyway).
Who will be more "enthusiastic"? The yesses or the nos?