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UK In "Full Panic Mode", Rains Brimstone, Bribes On Scotland As "Yes" To Independence Poll Crosses 50%

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All pundits who over the past few months have been saying the possibility of Scottish independence as a result of the September 18 ballot, is at best a pipe dream got a rude wake up call overnight, when Scottish YouGov poll for the Sunday Times put the "Yes" (for independence campaign) on top for the first time since polling began, with No below the majority cutoff line for the first time, at 49, when undecided voters are excluded, and even when including undecideds "Yes" is still ahead by two points at 47-45. As the Spectator reports, "in the space of four weeks, "No" has blown a 22-point lead."

According to Bloomberg, "the shift to an outright lead for supporters of independence may further roil financial markets after the pound weakened last week when the pro-U.K side’s support narrowed to six percentage points." Granted, today's news may be GBP-negative, but Bloomberg seems to still operate under Old Normal assumptions whereby any news, bad or gad, is anything but great for stocks. Expect the S&P to hit new all time highs on this latest development which will be promptly "priced in" and spun as pent-up reunification.

The usual commentariat, which until recently was swearing the Yes vote has zero chance, is stunned :

“For a positive message to catch up so much in a month is totally unprecedented,” said Matt Qvortrup, a senior researcher at Cranfield University in England and author of “Referendums and Ethnic Conflict.” “This is pretty revolutionary stuff in referendum terms. We’re ringside to history.”  The Sept. 18 ballot on Scottish independence is dominating the U.K. after door-to-door campaigning on both sides intensified last week and as traders and investors no longer rule out a dramatic victory for nationalist leader Alex Salmond."

Others were more direct and to the point:

The Spectator's Fraser Nelson had this to say:

Make no mistake, the UK government will now be on full panic mode. This eclipses everything: the country is 12 days away from dissolution. We’re seeing an almost perfect rerun of what happened in Quebec in October 1995 when the ‘yes’ pulled into a lead at the last minute. Then, Canadians (who had ignored the debate until then) suddenly took notice, realising that their country was falling apart. Seven days before the poll, a massive unity rally in Montreal was organised (details here) by a fisheries minister acting on his own initiative. God knows such initiatives are needed now.

UK politicians, naturally, were not happy, starting with the head of the UK Treasury, Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne, for whom any change from the status quo is very much unwelcome:

Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne said a program for increased devolution to Scotland if it votes No, offering Edinburgh more control over taxes, public spending and social policy, will be announced in the “next few days” as the London government responds to the shift in the polls.

 

“It’s clear that Scotland wants more control over the decisions that affect Scotland,” Osborne said in a televised BBC interview. “The timetable for delivering that will be put into effect the moment there is a ‘no’ vote in the referendum. Then Scotland will have the best of both worlds. They will both avoid the risks of separation but have more control over their own destiny, which is where I think many Scots want to be.”

 

Osborne also reiterated his opposition, which is shared by all major parties in Westminster, to currency union with an independent Scotland. “No ifs, no buts, we will not share the pound if Scotland splits from the rest of the U.K.,” he said.

His predecessor quickly chimed in: enter Alistair Darling.

‘The polls may conflict, but the message I take from them is clear: If you want Scotland to remain part of the UK family you have to vote for it on 18 September. Separation is forever. These polls can and must now serve as a wake-up call to anyone who thought the referendum result was a foregone conclusion. It never was.  It will go down to the wire. Now is the time to speak up and speak out.

 

‘We are hitting the streets, knocking on the doors, making the calls in unprecedented numbers and we are hearing the people of Scotland respond positively to our vision of Scotland securing the best of both worlds. That means more powers for Scotland without taking on all the risks of separation.

 

‘We relish this battle. It is not the Battle of Britain – it is the battle for Scotland, for Scotland’s children and grandchildren and the generations to come. This is a battle we will win.’

It only got more panicky from there:

With campaigning in its final days, the opposition Labour Party is trying to keep its supporters onside in a traditional heartland and vote against independence. Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, now a Labour legislator, will tour the country making the case for the union.

 

“I want to share our resources with the rest of the United Kingdom, and that will mean better pensions, better health care, more jobs and better security,” Brown, a Scot, said in an interview with Sky News. “Whatever government is in power temporarily, you’ve got to look at the long term picture. You’ve got to look 50 years ahead, 100 years ahead. This is an irreversible decision.”

But perhaps realizing that dazzling them with glass beads and cheap promises won't work, UK's Prime Minister went "all the way" and pulled a nuclear Hank Paulson, threatening Scotland with outright death and destruction if it votes to secede. From Bloomberg:

Scotland will be more vulnerable to terrorist attacks in a “very dangerous and insecure world” if it votes for independence on Sept. 18, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said.

 

Being part of a union gives Scots the protective benefits of being part of a larger country, Cameron told reporters at the end of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s summit in Newport, Wales, yesterday.

 

With terrorist threats and other threats, isn’t it better to be part of a United Kingdom that has a top-five defense budget, some of the best intelligence and security services anywhere in the world, that is part of every single alliance that really matters in the world in terms of NATO, the G-8, the G-20, the European Union, a member of the security council of the UN?” Cameron said. “All those networks and abilities to work with allies to keep us safe. Isn’t it better to have those things than separate yourself from them?”

Because how else can Scotland protect itself than by aligning with the nation that, together with the US, provided weapons to these "terrorists" in the first place.

And while everyone else demanded a continuation of the status quo, and is "stunned" at the Scottish people for not appreciating the "clear benefits" that a union provides, one person who was absolutely delighted was Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond who said he expects more the 80 percent turnout in independence referendum on Sept. 18 after a poll for the first time gave a lead for his party’s ‘Yes’ campaign. “We’re encouraged by the clear panic in the ‘No’ campaign,” Salmond said in a BBC interview.

"They’ve failed to scare the Scots, now they’re trying to bribe us. That won’t work either."

But they'll keep on trying: just recall "Scottish Independence 'Yes' Vote Is A "High Risk" Event, Citi Warns." Sure enough, here comes Citi with the postmortem released moments ago, with a note titled: "Sterling Is Set for Negative Surprise After Scottish Poll"

  • Recent history would suggest that a move for the pound toward 1.56 vs USD or lower cannot be excluded if Scotland leaves the union, Citigroup writes in client note today.
  • Outright lead in pro-independence campaign in latest YouGov survey will keep investors anxious about the outcome of the referendum on Sept. 18
  • Referendum authorities may conduct more polls in remaining week and a half; fact is, of the 86 polls conducted since 2012, only two put ’’Yes’’ vote in the lead
  • Better U.K. data this week, such as July industrial and manufacturing production, may be of little comfort
  • Carney testimony to Treasury committee hearing on Sept. 10 could highlight political and economic risks for GBP from the referendum

And from Berenberg:

  • Risk that Scotland will vote for independence is real and rising; recent movements have been further and faster than anticipated, Rob Wood, U.K. economist at Berenberg writes in client note.
  • Still expect a no vote; yes campaign lead is within margin of error and latest poll is not matched in other polls, could be an outlier
  • Scotland is re-running the 1995 Quebec independence referendum, which went down to wire before ending in tight vote against splitting from Canada
  • A Yes to independence could cause serious short-term pain over uncertainty on currency, EU status; Scotland may be forced to austerity
  • May raise risk of U.K. exit from EU without pro-EU Scotland
  • A close No vote would keep alive chances of another referendum in 5-10 years, could mean additional powers for Scotland, kickstarting changes to U.K. regional governance

Etc.

Of course, everyone knows that the end result of the "vote" will be arbitrated by the proverbial, if not literal Diebold, which we somehow doubt will allow such an earth-shattering outcome as Scotland being allowed to determine its fate, to take place. Because if they can, suddenly it becomes an option for the rest of Europe, a continent where as Mario Draghi has explained time and again, there is far too much political capital invested in allowing the peasants to decide their own fate.

In the meantime, however, what better excuse than to grab the popcorn, sit back and enjoy an all-time classic.

 

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Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:33 | 5191136 Gromit
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Probably necessary to create a poll showing a real possibility of Yes......to make Scots think very seriously indeed.

It's fun to vote yes if you're confident you won't win............

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:38 | 5191148 Circle of DNA
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Nuland's Cookie factory is in overdrive mode and Talmudic snipers are not far behind with the bullets of freedom and democracy to safeguard the nation of Scotland from the dangers of....terrrrists.   

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 14:55 | 5191200 The Abstraction...
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If the English were allowed to contribute to the vote, I am sure we would get 95% support for independence.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:06 | 5191224 Radical Marijuana
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"... what happened in Quebec in October 1995 when the ‘yes’ pulled into a lead at the last minute. Then, Canadians (who had ignored the debate until then) suddenly took notice, realising that their country was falling apart. Seven days before the poll, a massive unity rally in Montreal was organised ..."

That "massive unity rally in Montreal" was a massive violation of the Quebec laws governing the funding of referendum campaigns. As always, the FUNDING OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS was the most important factor, usually hidden in the background. "Canadian" history began with large corporations, particularly the railroad companies, pouring in tens of thousands of dollars to support the creation of Canada (which was a large amount of money back then.) Of course, in the end those companies received back tens of thousands of times more profit from their funding those political processes, as Canada proceeded to build transcontinental railways, which gave away money and land hand over fist to railroad companies!

... Personally, I am not following the news about Scotland. However, I wonder about the role of the Internet, and other alternative media, in this situation? For the first time in history, the Internet is making it theoretically possible for messages that people want to hear being communicated, despite those messages not be backed by the most money!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:29 | 5191297 VWAndy
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Heaven forbid some folks might be able to spot the truth.

 The Scotts could back thier coin with the energies they can produce at home. Or back it with booze. But that would screw all the central banks. The change in thier economic future would be dramatic. Just think about the quallity of the actuall buying power of a coin thats value is actually increasing.

 It wont happen thru voting but it could happen. For folks that produce real goods and services it would be great.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:32 | 5191475 VWAndy
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Honestly if freedom is what ya want? Then thats what ya should work too attain.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 12:58 | 5194004 FrankDrakman
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""Canadian" history began with large corporations, particularly the railroad companies, pouring in tens of thousands of dollars to support the creation of Canada"

Oh, balls. Cabot, Champlain and others were here 200 years before the first railways in Canada. Arguably the most important moment in Canadian history, Wolfe's defeat of Montcalm at the Plains of Abraham was in 1759, almost 70 years before the first railway in Canada (which was a dinky railroad just moving stuff across the St. Lawrence from one side of Montreal to another). The only private railroad that stayed in Canada after WWI was the CPR; all the others were nationalised in the 1920's because they were going bankrupt. So you are just completely full of shit to say "loarge corporations" in general, and railways in particular, are the backbone of Canadian history.

The 'large corporation' most closely associated with Canada was the Hudson Bay Company, chartered in the 1600's to bring fur and etc. back from Canada. It was the Bay that slowly extended civilization into the native areas, mostly through trade and co-operation, and not the bloody wars associated with the US (not that no blood was shed, but comparatively little). It was the British Northwest Mounted Police (which later becamse the RCMP) that carried law and order to the natives, and did so for the most part in a decent and honourable way, leading to such popular stereotypes such as Sam Steele, and "We always get our man", and later, of course, Dudley Doright.

If you're actually interested, you might "Empire and Communication" and "Fur Trade and Canada" by Harold Innis (who Macluhan notes as his intellectual godfather), but I suspect you're a troll not in search of edification.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:21 | 5191266 Erpfish
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The Noes were doing OK until Gordon Brown joined their cause.  He's a political Dementor - he's poisoned everything he's touched ever since Blair was made to hand over to him.  In Britain we call it "The curse of Jonah"

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:21 | 5191268 no1wonder
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Looks like Scotland will soon follow the Crimea referendum example to disunite from an indigestible union ..

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:29 | 5191294 aleph0
Sun, 09/07/2014 - 17:23 | 5191608 BeetleBailey
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Pound gapping down across the board...........

SEAN CONNERY YA BLOODY WANKERS!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 15:51 | 5191364 Last of the Mid...
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Go Scotland! The queen is prolly shittig her depends telling charles "I fixed that Diana situation for you now Do Something!"

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 09:52 | 5193248 Farqued Up
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He's paralyzed focused on saving the threatened 3 toed Dover Cliff Mouse and drunk from sniffing ugly vagina. Picasso wasn't painting abstract dope induced bullshit and flounders, he was painting inbred Royals with eyes asymmetrically located face up.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:12 | 5191419 Hanging Harry
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Half of Scottish wager earners are located in London.  How's that going to work?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 17:16 | 5191585 Grouchy Marx
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Half of central and south America are working in the US. Seems to work for everyone except US citizens. 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:49 | 5191854 bombdog
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Currency union probably :-)

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:22 | 5191948 Pendolino
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Where did that statistic come from?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 20:52 | 5192223 Who was that ma...
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Where are the other three Scottish wage earners located?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 21:29 | 5192334 Pendolino
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Not sure, maybe you should look at the numbers for yourself:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-24866266

"As a percentage of the economically active population, Scotland has 7.5% unemployed; the UK figure is 7.8%"

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:15 | 5191429 Loup Kib
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«  Scotland will be more vulnerable to terrorist attacks in a “very dangerous and insecure world” if it votes for independence on Sept. 18, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said. »

Cameron's threat of terrorism from London is clear, for anyone who's not asleep.  Hope Scotts wont be fooled -- neither by promises of carrots nor by promises of terrorist attacks.  Vote YES.  Remember, they told you, it's forever  :  don't miss it ..

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:24 | 5191443 Spungo
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It's strange how modern Europe looks a lot like WW1 wartime Europe. Inflation in UK was extremely high, as high as 25% by the end of the war. UK, Germany, and France were on the brink of collapse. Russia actually did collapse, and the communists took control before the war ended. It's almost like overwhelming debt is bad for the economy. Other than Sun Tzu, nobody could have predicted this.

Ironically, leaving the gold standard helped fix the debt problem because it was politically easy to default on the debt by printing money. It was really painful for anyone who held cash or bonds, but at least it solved the debt problem.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:21 | 5191480 Radical Marijuana
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A "yes" vote would be a lot more fun to watch than a "no!"

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 16:50 | 5191515 VWAndy
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What catagorie do I fit in?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 17:16 | 5191583 Monotaur
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The Terrorism-Threat from Cameron is indeed remarkable!

Will Big Daddy Obama send some Disney-ISIS Fighters to Glasgow?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 17:21 | 5191604 tonin
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Granted,northern league in Italy, Bretons in France, Basques in Spain......

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 03:59 | 5192804 Rock On Roger
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Oh man.

Quebec again.

It gets kinda boring after a while.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 17:35 | 5191639 Obamanism
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Scotland more vulnerable to Terrorist attacks. The Last terrorist attack in Scotland was at Glasgow Airport were one Member of the Public attack the terrorist and kept them at bay till the Police arrived.

It has been a well know fact that most the polls take in Scotland have been doctored to help the NO campaign, but now that time is coming nearer the NO campaign cannot hide it any longer as on the Day the victory for the YES vote would be so great no-one in the world would believe another poll. An example was about 3 months ago an Asian/Indian/Pakistani  radio station in Scotland conducted an online poll of its listeners and 64% were for the YES camp. YouGov polling nearly had a fit at their result as at the time they had the YES vote at 37%.

The result of the Vote on September the  18th will rock the politics in the UK. It will effect the rest of the world.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 17:39 | 5191648 Democratic koolaid
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póg mo thóin to the far-left libtards and their destrucitve contructivness. Scotland doesnt need these parasites because that is infact what they are voting independance to get away from.

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 17:39 | 5191649 Dien Bien Poo
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Allez mes braves Ecossais. Bonne chance et n'oubliiez pas notre alliance!! Bravo!!!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:00 | 5191698 Bazza McKenzie
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Best thing that could happen to England.  Scotland is the Labor Party's stronghold.  So England gets rid of Labor governments forever, which have actively encouraged the inflow of Muslims into England as well as all the normal destructive socialist policies.

A vote for Scottish independence is actually a vote for English independence opening the way for a UKIP victory to pull the UK out of the EU.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:42 | 5192646 daveO
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Sorta like the US dumping every urban African voting island. Sounds like a winner.  

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 09:38 | 5193207 Farqued Up
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And the valid YES reasons keep mounting.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:26 | 5191781 thurstjo63
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LOL! I really like the fact that Britain is threatening Scotland with no to using the pound. As if any rational person would want to be QE'd up the arse by a currency that's losing about 15% per year in purchasing power. Brilliant!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:36 | 5191813 Sirius Wonderblast
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Then consider having no valid currency of your own, using some other country's (or bloc's) currency like the Dollar, Pound or Euro, being unable to influence exchangerates having a bombed out employment market, forget petrodollars cos Russa and China just stiffed that, do I go on?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 22:13 | 5192417 bilejones
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Ask the Slovacks, who have enjoyed a boom since independence, how they managed.

 

They introduced their own currency and did just fine.

 

Tool o the State, are you.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 02:31 | 5192762 Sirius Wonderblast
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No need for the jibe. If it's so easy, however, why has Salmond failed to articulate an answer to the same questions?

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 04:22 | 5192827 The Abstraction...
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Whiskey is set to back the next Scotch currency, or at least, cover the back of it.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:26 | 5191786 loregnum
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I think David Cameron is a bigger piece of shit than Obombya. Didn't think it was currently possible.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:32 | 5191799 Sirius Wonderblast
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I guess there's this about it. If the shitheads in London hadn't embroiled us in endless wars, sent countless young men to their deaths for nothing at all worth fighting for, and treated all and sundry with total contempt (English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish and the whole wide world), then the Scots may be less likely to want to break away. And they've so criminally ignored  the Commonwealth.

My question though, where is that fucking bastard Blair in all of this (the twat who let the devolution genie out of the bottle in the first place)? What's that arsehole looking for out of this - is Scotland his Plan B (be assured Salmond would go the way of John Smith is Blair wished it)?

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 21:58 | 5192387 Hengist
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Note the last three PM's have all had Scottish surnames.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 02:32 | 5192763 Sirius Wonderblast
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Not gone un-noticed!

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 04:21 | 5192826 The Abstraction...
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Though Cameron is half Ripper.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 04:51 | 5192841 RadioactiveRant
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Hes a Jew in disguise, look at his family tree.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:49 | 5191853 Grouchy Marx
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Maybe this will encourage the southern US to try secession again. And northern California from the south. And Texas from everybody.

And San Francisco from... no, they already do whatever they want. 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 21:56 | 5192385 Hengist
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Free occupied Hawaii from the oppression of Washington.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:37 | 5192638 daveO
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Texas went broke, then joined the union for a bailout. The USA, and CSA, had to print fiat toilet paper to fund their war effort. Fiat is the root problem. Devolution will eventually occur thanks to the massive debt pile. There's no one to bail out the US. When choosing your new home, pick the one w/o central banksters!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 18:59 | 5191887 jubber
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...and you guessed it FTSE is ...up!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:09 | 5191907 Pendolino
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With terrorist threats and other threats, isn’t it better to be part of a United Kingdom that has a top-five defense budget, some of the best intelligence and security services anywhere in the world, that is part of every single alliance that really matters in the world in terms of NATO, the G-8, the G-20, the European Union, a member of the security council of the UN?” Cameron said. “All those networks and abilities to work with allies to keep us safe. Isn’t it better to have those things than separate yourself from them?”

If we get our independence (and the Great Obama has already told us we won't get into NATO, boo hoo),  we won't be fighting in your trumped-up wars in other parts of the planet that we have no business meddling in, so I'm thinking the 'terrorists' are probably not going to be giving a shit about Scotland. The one and only time since 9/11 that fuckwit terrorists tried it on in Scotland this is how it went down

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1078532/His-skin-came-hands-Airp...

or if you prefer the funny version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gMJBQoHJ4E

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:15 | 5191928 Peak Finance
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HEY EVERYBODY!

Let's help the Scottish people

Go to eBay and buy the YES votes if there still up for sale! LOLZ!

 

I mean this next part sincerely :  

GOOD LUCK SCOTLAND!!!  

 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 09:31 | 5193192 Farqued Up
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But only if you vote YES.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 19:21 | 5191943 falconflight
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Devolution is the opportunity for more freedom, or tyranny.  

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 20:44 | 5192202 FrankIvy
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Please God.  Give this one to me.  Just for once.  Let the Scotts give the finger to Britain.  Give the Bird to the EU.  For no other reason than it's a step away from globalized, centralized control.

You produced Rob Roy and William Wallace.  You can do this.  No Cap in Hand.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 21:54 | 5192382 Hengist
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Firstly the above two gentlemen were sheep sh*ggers and secondly the first thing Salmond wants to do is to join the EU and that means giving up the fisheries and control of the oil and gas fields and accepting the Euro and no right of exit once they join.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:30 | 5192626 daveO
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Guaranteed economic death. Makes no sense. Salmond's clearly a bankster of the highest caliber.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 22:05 | 5192403 scrappy
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The Scots might have a an overlooked advantage, the Stone of Destiny...

http://www.associate.com/stewart/stone_o_scone.html

However, the real one might be hidden say some...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNxupz0J95E

 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 09:26 | 5193173 Farqued Up
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Plus, it just may open the door for the South to peacefully break away from the Ivy League plagues. Someone tell me please how the Scots could peacefully break away without an Abe Lincoln starting a war of enslavement on them?

OMG, the Mafia gives protection for tribute. Hey, Ian, Nigel, break open a new can of hobgoblins, the natives have the pitchforks at Parade Rest. The Russians are coming, surely they'll clamor to the Royals for protection. In the meantime, give the order to refurbish Hadrian's Wall just in case the war pisses them off.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 21:10 | 5192231 MollyHacker
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The yes vote is a move towards the BRICS and away from Washington and the rest of the hemoglobin problems of the petrodollar crime scene

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:27 | 5192622 daveO
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It appears, to me, that the FED QE-inflated oil price has created this secession movement. Another example of unintended consequences. More social disintegration brought to us by the money changers. 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 20:56 | 5192237 Who was that ma...
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Next thing you know, the wankers and yobs in Wembley will be wantin' their own bleeden' country too.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 22:03 | 5192400 NoWayJose
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I guess 'yea' is now the momentum vote!

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 22:41 | 5192481 TabakLover
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How many "votes" over the last 5 years were going to trigger the much wanted ZH crash/meltdown?

Greece

Greece

German High Court

Slovakia

Finland

Ireland

etc

etc

Never happened....this won't either.

 

 

 

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 22:58 | 5192509 robnume
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OMG! I have to secede from or go to war with myself. The Scot, Irish and German parts of me have to secede from and/or go to war with the English part of me! I'm going to be drawn and quartered!! By myself! OMG!

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 04:19 | 5192825 The Abstraction...
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I do not have that problem, I can trace my ancestory back to the first Anglosaxon lifeform formed in the Big Bang, 15 billion years ago.

Sun, 09/07/2014 - 23:14 | 5192529 tony wilson
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in may of 1919 at dusseldorf germany,the allied forces obtained a copy of the communist rules for revolution.

no doubt written up by a talmudic satanist caananite

init.

some things never change in this tora bora fucked up world A

 

 

"Corrupt the young,

get them away from religion.

Get them interested in sex.

Make them superficial, and destroy their ruggedness.

Get control of all means of publicity,

and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics,

sexy books and plays,

and other trivialities.

Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.

 

 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:57 | 5192665 Statetheist
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Getting people away from religion would be the best thing that could ever happen to this world next to getting people away from government.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 01:26 | 5192700 Bazza McKenzie
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Yeh, that green religion, like its marxist predecessor juat produces endless destruction.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:11 | 5192601 Dingleberry
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In trying to learn more about this issue, I began gleaning comments about this situation from Scotland itself, and it seems to me that:

Scots are hyper-socialist. That will not end well under any circumstances.  Corruption knows no bounds, and their socialist masters will promise everything and take even more. This is universal.  Fails nearly everywhere it is tried.  I somehow doubt the Scots will be the next Norway. Simply too corrupt, just like all of their Celtic cousins.

Scots are hyper liberal, and actually demand more immigration from the 3rd world. Why this is, I cannot fathom.  If you need people, get them from Ireland or something. At least you can all watch football together.

I say let them go independent. Trade one corrupt system for another. I just hope it's not worse.

But I suspect that they too will be Germany's bitch. Just like everyone else in Europe is.

 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:23 | 5192619 daveO
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Here's a good, but long, explanation.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article47228.html

Salmond used to work for RBS. He's saying the oil will pay for everything, but oil production has dropped 2/3 rd's since 2000. He wouldn't even dream of making that argument if the FED hadn't artificially inflated the oil price. Scotland's currently being subsidised by England(9 Billion Pds/yr). It would actually benefit England the cut the moochers loose.  

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 09:08 | 5193120 FrankDrakman
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Same thing here in Canada - Quebec costs us billions of dollars a year, but they believed in an 'independence' that would still have them receiving cheques, instead of bills, from the rest of Canada. Good luck with that, and good luck to Scotland once Westminster isn't subsidizing their drinking and drugging dole recipients. Once the sugar daddy's gone, they'll be crying in their beer.

IMHO, England should be taking a hard line - "go if you want, but here's what you lose..". No making nice - if the Sots leave, they can find out what it's like to have nothing of value but golf courses and whisky, to have no representation overseas (Quebecers thought they would still be able to go to Canadian embassies - nope!), and to have families split apart over Unionists and Separatists. All this because they believe they're 'oppressed' and want their own flag?!

Fools in Canada, fools in Scotland, fools in the Basque lands.. small, weak, and undercapitalized is no way to go through life.  

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 00:56 | 5192664 Statetheist
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LET MY PEOPLE GO.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 01:18 | 5192684 onmail
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Yes Yes Yes

Great Britain's Public Sector , The East India Company caused death of more than 10 million people in colonized India 200 years ago. They were actually Pirates with letter of Marquee given by the British King and answerable to Members of Parliament.

British ruled India with gory details of bloodletting and looted all its treasures. 100 ships were used to deliver the loot to Britain and they cut the hands of Indian weavers to stop garment manufacturing in India. Instead of foodgrains they forced farmers to grow cash crops leading to famines killing of millions when people were forced to eat even bark of trees.

They enlisted about 700000 indians as soldiers and used them to fight wars in WW1 and also in WW2, many many died.

They used the principle of Divide and Conquer to colonize.

Same story in all other colonies.

Time for retribution now. 

They divided others & looted , now time to get yourself divided.

And let all the world whet their appetite of vengeance.

Celebrate the Division of UK the evil dark isle of former Cannibals of stone age from where the worst dark forces were let loose on the mankind all over the world. 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 02:23 | 5192754 Rock On Roger
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Tonight my daughter asked me what marquee meant. I told her being in the limelight, on stage, name in lights on the theater marquee. Like Waylon didn't want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dXR5Dk8YNw

 

I wasn't quite correct, but I did get to introduce her to Waylon.

 

So I googled because I've read a few pirate stories.

 

Letters of Marque is the term and yes all the rest funded by the queen's bankster.

 

Death and destruction for the next 200+ years

 

All Hail Zion

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 04:18 | 5192820 The Abstraction...
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The East India company was under the control of the Rothschilds from 1815 onwards.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 03:09 | 5192780 man of Wool
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Whats really got em worried is that this referendum is a vote on the UK as well as Scotland. No Scotland - No UK. The Queen will not be happy!!! 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 04:59 | 5192849 RadioactiveRant
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We can call the country whatever we want, its a side show. The real issue is how this affects the seat on the UN council (as the UK economy/military shrinks over nights, if it has any impact it weakens the US), the uncertainty about EU membership, the apportionment of debt/gold/etc and how the bond market reacts to the indebtedness of a less diverse economy, the ripple effect to other regions that want independence (Basque, Quebec, West Australia,...)

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 03:33 | 5192787 fredquimby
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So after their vote, when do we (English) get to vote about the Scots being part of GB?

We would kick 'em out for sure.

 

 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 03:48 | 5192799 Manic by Proxy
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"The problem with Scotland is that it's full of Scots."

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 05:37 | 5192870 Obamanism
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Said King Edward Longshanks and Prima Nocta is the solution

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 04:17 | 5192819 The Abstraction...
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When we get rid of socialists we will have the vote. Ergo, if we don't get the vote we know we haven't got rid of the socialists at that point.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 05:59 | 5192878 smacker
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That's a very interesting point.

I too have often wondered why the English were excluded from this vote. Of course the question would have to be slightly different. Thus:

   "Do You Wish Scotland To Remain Part Of The United Kingdom? Yes/No

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 05:03 | 5192805 NuYawkFrankie
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Better late than never ,Scottie.

I've already declared - in a referendum of one - my independece from the USSA,

 and look forward to a cordial relationship with Free Scotland in the years ahead

 

 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 04:17 | 5192822 Shropshire Lad
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Without Scottish resources, the terrorist government in London will not have sufficient resources to carry on attacking and invading foreigh countries.  They are indeed concerned and so are their banker/financier masters.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 05:02 | 5192847 barre-de-rire
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if you think this is important... in 2005 france voted NO to a referendum,  sarkozy bypassed population opinion to set yes politics in place...

 

if you think the yes vote will pass or having any action... stop dreaming, they will rig it or find a way to avoid it.

 

 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 06:01 | 5192876 smacker
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One possible action if a Yes vote looks likely - or even immediately after a successful Yes vote but before it takes effect - which has been rumoured and may be seen as a jab in the eye for Alex Salmond is for Westminster to invoke some ancient Royal Prerogative to "nationalise" the Faslane nuke submarine base in Scotland. Currently, Scottish Nationalists are planning to kick it out if they win.

Faslane would then become British sovereign territory in Scotland just like Gibraltar is in Spain.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 07:33 | 5192966 jubber
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Thank God a Scotsman sold all the UK's Gold at the bottom LOL

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 07:43 | 5192974 JimboJammer
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The  Proud  People  of  Ireland  are  watching  this ......  now  is  the  time  to  Show  Support  to  your  brothers  of  Scotland . . . . do  it..

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 08:40 | 5193050 NEOSERF
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Go Scotland!!! perhaps it all hasn't been completely figured out but separating yourself from the anchor that is Britain and Ireland will send the crumbling, patronage happy, bankrupt old economies a huge message...get it together or lose the best parts of your kingdoms!

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 09:12 | 5193129 sidiji
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The english will do what they have always done, send in the army to suppress Scottish independence. 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 09:12 | 5193130 sidiji
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The english will do what they have always done, send in the army to suppress Scottish independence. 

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 09:29 | 5193182 Toolshed
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"Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, now a Labour legislator, will tour the country making the case for the union."

WTF? Is that a joke or what? The moronic POS that sold all of UK's gold on the cheap, and then ran the nation straight into the ground and left office in disgrace "will tour the country making the case for the union"? Ummmmmm...........wow, and I thought American politics were a complete joke.

Mon, 09/08/2014 - 16:56 | 5195126 theprofromdover
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If the (English) Prime Minister isn't leading the No campaign, then a united kingdom can't be very high on his list of priorities.

There are no Scots on the streets demanding anything, as far as I have heard; the calibre of politician in London is so bad, that you would assume all parts of the UK would want to secede from the City of London, not just Scotland.

But they can't be bothered. They are all obsessed with their pensions in the UK. They don't mind corrupt politicians, wasted taxes, gathering inflation, and a second rate media.

They just want to know that they will get fat pensions. They will put up with anything to keep that dream.

Scots, you are better than that. You have sent your talent all over the world. For a country of 5 million people, your sons and grandsons made major contributions to building the modern world. What do you fear?

If the Scots don't vote for independence, I would say that is a sign that Britain is finished. Sterling falling against the dollar today is nothing to do with the independence momentum; any investor with any brainpower would know that someone thinking of taking a courageous act like voting for independence from a bigger neighbour, is an ideal time to invest in the future.

But how many investors have any free-thinking brain power?

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