MH17 Was Struck By Multiple "High-Energy Objects From Outside The Aircraft", Crash Report Reveals

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Over a month after the crash of flight MH 17 over east Ukraine, and with the confiscated Air Traffic Control voice recording still kept confidential by a western-led task force for reasons unknown, overnight the Dutch Safety Board released its preliminary report on the causes of the crash. As the AP reported, it agency "stopped short of saying the Boeing 777 was shot down by a missile, but its findings appear to point to that conclusion. It also did not say who might have been responsible." Actually, what the Dutch report did say is the following: MH17 was struck by multiple "high-energy objects from outside the aircraft," causing it to break up over eastern Ukraine, a preliminary report into the deadly aviation disaster concluded Tuesday.

From the report: "The damage observed in the forward section of the aircraft appears to indicate that the aircraft was penetrated by a large number of high-energy objects from outside the aircraft," the report said. "It is likely that this damage resulted in a loss of structural integrity of the aircraft, leading to an in-flight break up."

In essence what the board "reported" is what has been widely known by now: "The initial results of the investigation point toward an external cause of the MH17 crash," the board's chairman, Tjibbe Joustra, said in a statement. "More research will be necessary to determine the cause with greater precision. The Safety Board believes that additional evidence will become available for investigation in the period ahead.... Detailed examination of the structural damage is ongoing," the report said. "Forensic examination will be performed if the wreckage can be removed."

Not unexpectedly, by the time the Dutch conclude their report, nobody will care about MH 17 and the current Ukraine civil war foreplay will be long forgotten, having been either long since resolved or grown into something much bigger. To wit:

The board is leading the international investigation into the cause of the disaster. Its full report is expected within a year of the crash.

But while the report itself was largely neutral as expected for a preliminary report, the "experts" promptly jumped in to steer the discussion in the desired direction, starting with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott who said, "The findings are consistent with the government's statement that MH17 was shot down by a large surface-to-air missile."

Another that saw in the report what he wanted to see was Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak, who "welcomed the report, saying in a written statement that its key conclusion "leads to the strong suspicion that a surface-to-air missile brought MH17 down, but further investigative work is needed before we can be certain." Well at least he covered his bases by saying his conclusion is not really based on anything in the actual report.

Yet other, supposedly credible voices also took over "concluding" what was a very inconclusive report: next cited was an "aviation safety specialist" at Yates Consulting, Christopher Yates, who told the AP the report "is extremely consistent with damage from a missile for the simple reason there are penetration marks.

"It must have been moving at very high velocity to create the damage," he said. "It could only be a missile of the type that would reach the altitude that would have struck the aircraft, potentially a Buk missile. He said the report gave no indication whether the missile had been fired from the ground or from another aircraft, but it likely came from the ground as there were no military aircraft known to have been flying at the time. The missile could not have been shoulder-fired because it would not have reached the necessary altitude, he added.

So if it is so clear that a Rebel-fired missile destroyed the airplane, we should look forward to the undoctored ATC recordings finally beings released to the public? After all, they have been held in secret custody longer even than the MH 370 ATC recordings, another plane whose fate is still a mystery.

Finally, we are stunned that nobody has observed the obvious: "high-energy objects from outside the aircraft" like for example... bullets? As in a warplane-fired volley of high-powered bullets. Curiously, there is not even a single mention of the word "bullet" in the entire 34 page report: apparently even the mere possibility of such an "high-energy object" is too inconceivable to even consider?

Then again, one can see why this possibility was not even mentioned by the experts, the politicians and the pundits: for the simple reason that should bullets be noted as a culprit, that would immediately put all the blame on the Kiev government as only a Ukraine warplane could have shot down the Malaysian Boeing 777 over Ukraine airspace.

But we are confident this possibility will be extensively covered in the final Dutch Board report, some time in late 2015 or 2016, by which point we can only hope the ATC recording which may just reveal why the airplane was redirected, will be finally released...

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Update: it appears that at least a part of the ATC transcript has been released and can be found in the report as follows:

This is the transcript immediately surrounding the crash and confirms the redirection from Dnipropetrovs’k air traffic control centre (Dnipro Radar) "due to traffic." From the report:

At the time of the occurrence flight MH17 was under control of Dnipropetrovs’k air traffic control centre (Dnipro Radar). Shortly after 13.20 hrs, both Ukraine and Russian Federation Radar lost contact with the aircraft. The last radio transmission made by the crew began at 13.19:56 hrs and ended at 13.19:59 hrs. Dnipropetrovs’k air traffic control centre made a radio transmission to flight MH17 which began at 13.20:00 hrs and ended at 13.20:05 hrs. The crew did not respond to this transmission or subsequent transmissions. No distress message was received from the aircraft at any point in time by ATC.

What is not disclosed is the actual transcript that notes the path redirection. Instead the Dutch report reveals the following in paraphrase:

According to the flight plan, flight MH17 would initially fly at Flight Level 330 (FL330)5 above Ukraine until the waypoint PEKIT, which is on the Flight Information Region (FIR) boundary between Kiev FIR (UKBV) and Dnipropetrovs’k FIR (UKDV). From waypoint PEKIT the flight plan indicates FL350 for the remaining part over Ukraine.

 

According to ATC data, at 12.53 hrs the aircraft was flying within the Dnipropetrovs’k FIR, Control Sector 2, at FL330, controlled by Dnipro Control. At that time, Dnipro Control asked whether MH17 was able to climb to FL350 in accordance with the flight plan of MH17 and also to clear a potential separation conflict with other traffic in the area, another Boeing 777 flying at FL330 and approaching from behind.

 

The crew replied they were unable to comply and requested to maintain at FL330. This was agreed by Dnipro Control. As an alternative to solve the separation conflict, the other traffic climbed to FL350. According to ATC data, at 13.00 hrs the crew of flight MH17 requested to divert the track 20 NM to the left, due to weather. This also was agreed by Dnipro Control, after which the crew requested whether FL340 was available. Dnipro control informed MH17 that FL340 was not available at that moment and instructed the flight to maintain FL330 for a while. At 13.07 hrs the flight was transferred to Dnipropetrovs’k CTA 4, also with call sign Dnipro Control.

The provided map, which however fails to note any military aircraft in the vicinity, something that the Russians had supposedly caught on their radar.

And previously from Russia:


Here is a screengrab of a Su-25 fighter jet detected close to MH17 before crash.

Considering the seriousness of this redirection and the pilot's alleged "inability" to comply, it would be far more useful if the Dutch Safety Board would release this part of the transcript as it certainly will reveal much more than the part of the conversation that is already well known.

And some more from the report, first on the fate of the Flight Recorders:

The flight recorders were not recovered from the wreckage site by investigators of the Annex 13 investigation team, but individuals unknown to the team took them from the site. On 21 July 2014, the recorders were handed over to a Malaysian official in Donetsk by representatives of the armed group controlling the area. The recorders were transported by train from Donetsk to Kharkiv in custody of a Malaysian official and accompanied by Dutch officials and then transported to Kiev also in custody of a Malaysian official and accompanied by Dutch and ICAO officials. In Kiev the recorders were handed over to the Dutch Safety Board on 22 July 2014.

 

Immediately after the handover to the Dutch Safety Board, the recorders were transported to the Air Accidents Investigation Branch’s laboratory at Farnborough, United Kingdom, accompanied by an international team of air safety investigators from Germany, Malaysia, the Netherlands, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, the United States of America and representatives of ICAO. At Farnborough a French investigator joined the team whereupon the work to download the data of both recorders was started. Later on an air safety investigator of the Interstate Aviation Committee also joined the team.

 

No evidence or indications of manipulation of the recorders were found.

The Cockpit Voice Recorder:

The housing of the CVR (figure 4) had been damaged and, although the model and serial numbers were unreadable on the data plate, the serial number 1366 - matching the one provided by Malaysia Airlines - was found stamped on the underside of the chassis. The external damage found on the CVR is consistent with impact damage, the internal memory module was intact. The recording capacity of this recorder is 30 minutes.

 

The full 30 minutes were successfully downloaded and contained valid data from the flight.

 

The replay of the CVR matched ATC communications with the aircraft (see ATC transcript). The recording also included crew communication which gave no indication that there was anything abnormal with the flight. The CVR audio recording ended abruptly. A replay of the CVR did not identify any aircraft aural warnings or alerts of system malfunctions. Detailed analysis is ongoing.

 

No aural warnings or alerts of aircraft system malfunctions were heard on the cockpit voice recording, which ended at 13.20:03 hrs. Crew communication gave no indication that there was anything abnormal with the flight.

Finally, data on the wreckage:

Wreckage distribution

 

Wreckage from flight MH17 was discovered spread over a large area near the towns of Rozsypne and Hrabove in eastern Ukraine. The main wreckage site was located 8.5 km on a bearing of 080° from the last known position of the aircraft in flight. On the accident site, a large amount of photographs was made, which allowed identification of certain aircraft parts, including preliminary assessments of localization and the nature of damage on the fuselage skin and the engines.

The aircraft wreckage, identified from the on-site photographs and satellite images, consisted of many large and small pieces distributed over an area of approximately 10 km by 5 km (figure 6). Fuselage pieces, cargo and baggage were scattered throughout the wreckage site. There were many additional unidentified pieces that are not shown in the figure. For easy reference the wreckage site has been divided into sections as shown in figure 6. These sections match with the aircraft sections shown in figure 7.

 

 

Some pictures of relevant parts of which the location was known, are discussed hereinafter.

 

Cockpit and forward area damage

 

Large parts from around the cockpit and forward section were found in the area closest to the last recorded FDR position (figure 6). Among these parts were portions of the cockpit, the forward cargo bay floor and the cockpit side wall. The remains of the cockpit were located at the southern end of Rozsypne, 2.3 km east from the last recorded FDR position.

 

Photographs from the some wreckage showed that a number of pieces contained multiple holes and indentations. An example of a piece of wreckage containing such damage was a piece of skin from below the left cockpit window (figure 8) found in the town of Petropavlivka.

 

 

Around 1.7 km north of the position where the cockpit window structure was found, was a section of the cockpit roof also showing holes indicating penetration from outside (figure 9).

 

 

Noting that the investigation team has not yet had the opportunity to recover these components for forensic examination, photographs from the wreckage indicated that the material around the holes was deformed in a manner consistent with being punctured by high-energy objects. The characteristics of the material deformation around the puncture holes appear to indicate that the objects originated from outside the fuselage.

Full report below (link to original):


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MalteseFalcon's picture

The BBC is a thoroughly discredited source of information. 

The flight and data recorders have not been manipulated?  Cool?  Release the raw data.  All recordings.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

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The flight and data recorders have not been manipulated?

The flight and data recorders, as recovered, had not been manipulated. Of course, once they arrived in England...

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

"The flight and data recorders, as recovered, had not been manipulated. Of course, once they arrived in England..."

Like I keep saying TFS

Why do they even bother after the "9/11 Commission Report".  There may have been many others before it including the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the build up to the first Gulf War, but  none were as blatant as what came out of Lower Manhattan!

They've impugned and disgraced their integrity and professional reputations so many times they know they don't even have to come close to offering proof -because they know the American people don't even care!


IronShield's picture

Let's kick, someone's ass, anyone's ass!  Yeah!  Your (dirty) Pols demand it.

IPURDOM75's picture

it's Putin flying on an eagle with a kalashnikow!!!

Bernoulli's picture

Here is the report in Dutch

http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/700/b0183934171fprem-rap...

and in English

http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/701/b3923acad0ceprem-rap...

I especially find chapter 2.3 "Damage to the aircraft" quite interesting:

"The aircraft was destroyed. Wreckage was dispersed over a large area".

That's it. Seriously?

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

"We suspect that gravity had a role in some of the fatalities."

Volkodav's picture

It's all Dutch to me

sorrey....

lasvegaspersona's picture

The pictures I have seen look compatible with 30mm projectile penetration.

These were obvious and failure to comment on this is telling.

I'm not an expert on misslie damage but I have fired 50 BMG rounds into lots of things. They make a round hole...like but smaller than the holes I saw in the MH17 pictures. 

I believe this is a cover up...a very obvious and important cover up.

litemine's picture

Any damage that you made on a thin pressurerize skin at Altitude?

crazzziecanuck's picture

Anyone know how big the shrapnel objects are in that version of the BUK warhead?

Dave Thomas's picture

Here's a good question does anyone think the explosive filler is the same in an SA-11 and 30mm HE shells?

Winston Churchill's picture

30mm canon are usually loaded with alternating shell types.Solid,tracer HE, AP.

Aces are allowed to choose their own ratios and loads.

Dave Thomas's picture

Yeah they call it combat mix. My point being is that there should be an easy way to identify if residue left over from all that spalling was the result of HE filler from an SA-11, or residue left over from HE shells, Flare residue from tracers, and or hard tungsten/DU from AP shells.

Rodders75's picture

 

I'm no military man, but the holes in the photo at the bottom of the page do look like shrapnel rather than cannon rounds...or am I missing something? 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29119024

Any combat vets out there who can clarify? 

lakecity55's picture

It appears consistent with cannon fire/20mm. Maybe 30.

Yes, I have seen similar damage.

Joe A's picture

Perhaps it was a nail gun (a metaphorical one). Anyway, a lot of people are 'jumping the gun' and already made conclusions from an otherwise inconclusive report that sounds fair and balanced for a preliminary report.

RealityCheque's picture

Notice that its mostly politicians, who after a life of privelage and disconnection from reality, can barely wipe their own asses -- let alone be a respected authority in air crash investigation, that are shouting loudest about the "proof" they have in their hands.

GetZeeGold's picture

 

 

I don't believe crap until they show me the commuity organizing degree.

 

But you've got to be careful....cause most of those are fake.

MalteseFalcon's picture

LOL.  After a month of shrill propaganda accusing Russia, a 'preliminary' report is finally released.  No evidence, just a report from 'experts'.

It is fair and balanced only if you take it out of the context of the last month.  The report basically says nothing that an outsider hadn't already gleaned.  So now let the shrill, unsubstantiated propaganda continue.

crazzziecanuck's picture

Indeed people of all stripes will read into the report what they want to see.

Joe A's picture

The report says nothing about what type of device was used -other than it was external-. Could have been surface to air or air to air. That is the only thing they can really say at this point. That is why it is preliminary: it can't reach conclusions at this moment. Anybody who sees anything in this report leading to state that this or that party done it is using the report for propaganda indeed.

MalteseFalcon's picture

"That is the only thing they can really say at this point."

LOL.  If you say so.

Remember 300 innocents died here.

Joe A's picture

They don't have the full data and information so what else do you think they can say at this point? The 300 innocent and their relation have a right to the truth, not to speculation.

MalteseFalcon's picture

Justice delayed is justice denied.  What other data is there?  It is quite possible that the data they have now is conclusive.

So what do they still need?  Let me guess.  The commission wants to sift 100 hectares of soil around the crash site just to be sure.

Utter nonsense.  Release the raw data now.  We'll figure it out.

Joe A's picture

Justice based on speculation is an injustice. Remember, this is a preliminary report. You don't put strong conclusions in a report of that nature when there still is an ongoing investigation.

What other data is there? How about the recordings of the control tower that were taken by the Ukrainian secret service (so not the voice data recorder of the plane) and that have not been released? And the investigative team only had access to 6% of the site.

I agree with: release the raw data. However, the truth might possible never be known. Too much propaganda from all sides right from the beginning. When you can't convince them confuse them.

MalteseFalcon's picture

"How about the recordings of the control tower that were taken by the Ukrainian secret service (so not the voice data recorder of the plane) and that have not been released?"

LOL.  So the Ukrainians play patty-cake with the Dutch and we're done?  I don't think so.  There is only one reason why those recordings have not been released.

Either Ukraine releases the tapes, or they did it.  There is no other reason to hide the tapes.

Joe A's picture

"Either Ukraine releases the tapes, or they did it.  There is no other reason to hide the tapes."

Well, that could indeed be the reason. The tapes need to be released if not then it all stays very suspicious.

RealityCheque's picture

It was Lee Harvey Oswald. Again.

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

It was Lee Harvey Oswald. Again.

Hey RC,

Didn't you know he's been officially "acknowledged" and exonerated for his involvement that day as one of the "good guys"?

The patsy finally has a star next to his name!

mantrid's picture

"Finally, we are stunned that nobody has observed the obvious: "high-energy objects from outside the aircraft" like for example... bullets? As in a warplane-fired volley of high-powered bullets."

OSCE monitor already hinted at this possibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ze9BNGDyk4
WSJ once mentioned it too: http://online.wsj.com/articles/mh17-pieces-with-shrapnel-like-holes-osce...

somehow that didn't make into the report

smacker's picture

The fate of MH-17 is the biggest criminal cover-up conspiracy that's happened since MH-370 and all the previous criminal cover-ups.

Anybody who has followed the evidence of MH-17 already knows it was shot down by Ukie SU-25 fighter plane(s) using 30mm cannon fire  and probably an A-2-A missile. The evidence of this achieves criminal standard "beyond reasonable doubt".

Governments are run by criminals. The Dutch Safety Board, every politician, "experts" like Mr Yates on RT.com this morning and every MSM hack who has lied and mislead people over this - especially the families of those killed - should themselves be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.

 

viedoklis_lv's picture

Where id that evidence that Ukraine fighter shoot down that plane?

smacker's picture

Dear Mr Supporter of the fascist Poroshenko. As you well know, all over the Internet there are hi-res images of fuselage damage adjacent to the cockpit area that could only have been caused by bullet holes. Like, they are round, some are entrance holes and others are exit holes since MH17 was attacked by two Ukraine SU-25 fighter jets fitted with 30mm cannon - one from each side.

There are No ifs and No buts.

Sleep well knowing that you support the criminal conspiracy to cover-up the truth of MH-17. People at the highest levels of government in the US, UK, Netherlands and of course Ukraine are involved.

viedoklis_lv's picture

Even if there where bullet holes in plane -  where is proof who did it? Where? Its like showing dead body - yes he is dead - but you have to bring evidence, proof who killed that man. In this case who shoot that plane. So far you have not shown any evidence. 

smacker's picture

"Even if there where bullet holes in plane"

It is not a matter of "even if". FACT: they exist. And the Dutch Safety Board knows that perfectly well. That is why it referred to "high-energy objects from outside the aircraft" being the cause of its demise. But it hasn't got the spine to call them what they were: bullets.

The DSB chief is obviously concerned about his next pay rise, so he does what he's told.

Once you understand and accept all that, the rest follows as night follows day.

nathan1234's picture

In the beginning you were treated as an amusement, a joker.

Now you have become downright nauseating.

Your name should read as riedoklis_mh ( with mh as in Mad Hatter)

Anything that you say will be termed as garbage

intric8's picture

@viedoklis_lv AKA 'DUMBFUCK':

you do know that Ukraine has had buk missiles for years, and that they even sold buk systems to Georgia to use against russia, which they did with great success..

You do realize that a buk missile explosion sends projectiles of random size at different velocities and trajectories dont you? Not like those beautiful, similarly sized holes that sure look like high calibur fire originating from the same souce along a similar trajectory, which EXITED the contralateral side of that poor aircraft..

You do realize that there is zero evidence for russian responsibility here, other than obviously manufactured and prepared circumstantial 'evidence' like bullshit recordings of 'seperatists' saying "oops", doctored satellite
images and other phony crap?

Everyones fingers are getting sore from constantly downvoting your clueless trollfaggory. Give it a rest, dude

viedoklis_lv's picture

Do you understand difference between theory and evidence? You have theory that plane was down by Ukraine but you dont have evidnce to prove that.

intric8's picture

Make that point to the obama administration. They immediately blamed russia without having a shred of evidence. We literally now have shreds of evidence that are highly implicating of ukraine responsibility in the form of bullet holes coming from two ukraine fighter aircraft.

If you are less insightful and more demanding of hard facts, wait till the black box recorder goes public, and listen to the pilots scream about being shot at by unknown warplanes

viedoklis_lv's picture

It is you who claim that Ukraine downed plane. So you must now come up with those evidence that proove that or say that it's only your theory. 

Where are those evidence? Where?

Ou that was only your theory...

Move along.

MeBizarro's picture

Your nuts and there isn't a single report out there to show it was shot down by Ukie SU-25 fighter planes using 30mm cannon fire.  There aren't even Russian media that claim that is what happened. 

smacker's picture

There doesn't need to be "a single report out there". If there were, it would be a pack of lies if it came out of any orifice of government.

My comments were based upon the existence of physical evidence of aircraft fuselage sections which show "beyond reasonable doubt" that they contain a large number of ROUND ~30mm bullet holes. Given that some are clearly entrance holes, others are exit holes, it is highly unlikely they could have been caused by a ground-2-air missile (unless the BUK missile has a secret payload of 30mm bullets).

The only sane conclusion is they were caused by a 30mm cannon which is fitted to the SU-25 fighter plane in the Ukraine air force. Two such planes were recorded in the immediate vicinity at the time. 1+1=2.

If you want to assert they were caused by two invisible alien spaceships in league with the rebels, please go ahead, be my guest.

Meanwhile, the known factual evidence is clear for all to see. Except that it's now being covered up by numerous criminal Western governments to protect their puppet Poroshenko. Of course what we don't actually know yet is "who" ordered the shoot down. Was it Poroshenko? or was it the US State/CIA?

beaglebog's picture

BBC just said that, "it's almost certainly the result of a BUK missile".

 

They had the grace to admit that it isn't clear who may have fired the missile, though.

 

 

If it was a BUK, would there be heat damage to the exterior of the aircraft?  Maybe explosive' residues?

kowalli's picture

if it was BUK - there will be a 10000 holes all over the plane...

roadhazard's picture

OMG !!!

Jesus Christ, this BS is monrths old. Go away.

GetZeeGold's picture

 

 

Dude!!!

 

This like Benghazi old!

 

Come here dudes!

Hannibal's picture

Pure dis-information and bullshit. Shame on the Dutch!