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9/11 - The Ultimate Litmus Test

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9/11 - The Ultimate Litmus Test

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Thirteen years ago the world changed; though it is only with the benefit of perspective may we clearly see the extent and duration of that change. But change it did and remarkably so after perspective is found and the world is seen for what it really is rather than what we are told it is - or what we want it to be based upon our own cultural conditioning and personally biased worldview.

This is not to say I see clearly, that I possess an unbiased mind, special insight or clarity of vision. Far from it in fact. On a daily basis I fight the tendency to develop a rigid mindset and view the world through that comforting lens. To help me resist this temptation I must constantly remind myself a static world view often results from my need to feel I can understand and control what is at times incomprehensible and most certainly uncontrollable. I have learned from personal experience the more I feel out of control the more I will try to exert control. It is a battle I will lose every time if I engage.

There is so much intentionally created confusion and misinformation out there that anyone claiming to know exactly what is going on is either tragically self deluded and living in a fantasy world, ideologically deaf, dumb and blind or a misinformation agent attempting to muddy the waters some more. I am not sure if anyone knows our true history anymore, including those entities busy rewriting it at this very moment.

That said, a huge and tragic mistake made by nearly all of us (not just the mainstream media contrarians reading this) is to assume we must have in place a complete and detailed historical narrative, including names, confessions and the smoking gun, before we discard the previous one, particularly if the one being discarded is ‘official’. This is of course a ridiculous requirement since from a logic and common sense point of view one is not required to know what is right in order to declare something wrong.

This incredibly effective controlling mind meme has become so thoroughly embedded within the collective consciousness that even so-called critical thinkers repeat this demand of anyone approaching them to request they re-examine their beliefs and consider alternatives. I am speaking directly to you and me, the alternative media reader here. This is a demand I might add we would unilaterally reject as preposterous if applied to our own ‘profession’, but which we gratefully embrace when protecting our cherished belief systems regardless of whether it is the official narrative or a contrary point of view. At times we are all trapped by our rigid thinking.

Even those who have rejected the official historical account of > fill in the blank < as balderdash are often quick to offer up an alternative thesis lest they be perceived as less than credible, competent or even (perish the thought) a conspiracy theorist. This is greatest mind killing, thought stopping epitaph ever created by the thought control police since accusations of witches, warlocks and devil worshipers were used to control dissenting thought. Regardless of your mind set one must admit this is brilliantly applied mind control technique via co-opted language and the hive mind. Score one to the CIA for that little gem.

The fact is liars lie and those who profit from lying, and by profit I don’t mean exclusively financial, will lie until the cows come home and “We the People” are pacified (or at least mentally, physically and emotionally disarmed) once again. Thus it fascinates me to no end how in one breath someone will declare all politicians and government officials are liars and corrupt, and in the next vigorously defend what ‘their’ lying politician and authority has claimed is the God’s Honest Truth and the ‘official’ story. And with a pinky swear no less.

“That’s my story and I’m sticking to it…..until I claim to have misspoken and we start all over again.”

Of course this almost always applies to the really big lies, the ones everyone can comfortably believe since no one would ever tell a whopper like that. After all, we can bitch and complain all we want about the effects of the corrupt system, but we must never fully question the very basis of the corrupt system itself for this will force us to question ourselves and our part in the charade. Careful we don’t bite the hand that feeds us……even if what we feed upon are ‘just’ yummy emotional security tidbits and a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ affirmation of what is ‘normal’……so long as we don’t look beyond the paper thin veneer.

This neurosis of ours is skillfully played to the hilt, both by those who lie to us and by those who wish to be lied to. Truth be told we all enjoy a comforting lie now and then, just as long as it fits reasonably well within our overall worldview and inner narrative. In this way we are able to have our cake and eat it too, to both believe the (big) lie while not really believing (all of) it. Just don’t look too closely at the glaring conflicts and omissions in the official and alternative narratives, while at the same time looking just close enough to substitute in something that better fits into our own personal and infinitely customizable view of the world.

 

The Best of Both Worlds

 

Which brings me to the subject of this article, “9/11 – The Ultimate Litmus Test”. Let me declare upfront that I know two things with an extremely high degree of certainty about 9/11.

Number one, I have no idea exactly what happened on that brilliantly blue second Tuesday in September, let alone who and what was behind the event. And anyone who says they do is either blinded by their ideology, full of self deluded bullshit, or the mastermind of the entire operation. Please note I said EXACTLY. I know a lot about 9/11 and that is the problem. What I think I know is far greater than what I actually ‘know’. With that in mind I try to remind myself I have just enough information to make me dangerous to myself and no one else.

I am very comfortable stating for the record I ‘know’ almost nothing with absolute certainty about 9/11 and much of what I suspect happened on that beautiful fall day is little more than opinion and supposition. The only (slight) advantage I may have over many others when considering this subject is I wasn’t as deeply imprinted psychologically that morning/day because I was recovering from emergency surgery the night before and was enjoying the sweet bliss of a doctor prescribed morphine drip.

It was truly remarkable and quite surreal watching huge buildings disintegrate into dust with no emotional involvement or investment on my part. I know I upset several traumatized nurses and doctors that morning with my unsympathetic appraisal of the unfolding Psyops. Even in my drugged state I could recognize a con when it was being foisted upon us. But knowing something is a con and knowing how the con is run and who and what are behind it are two very different balls of tangled yarn.

It is the ultimate of egoic arrogance and hubris, which itself often carefully conceals our fear and emotional insecurity, for anyone to declare they ‘know’ who, what, when, where and why when in fact most of what they ‘know’ is at best supposition, hypothesis and logic based guessing. Naturally most of us get around this by asserting we ‘know’ most of what happened and would know all if only those dirty rotten bastards would come clean and spill the beans.

It is one thing to point out logical inconsistencies, outright contradictions and false statements in the official narrative, not to mention deliberate omissions and the obscuring of information. It is another entirely to state unequivocally ‘we’ know this or that, then point to the problems within the official narrative as ‘proof’ we are correct.

This speaks directly to the neurotic need of so many contrarians (that means you and me dear reader) to present an alternative explanation to replace the one we reject in order to appear credible. Why in the world are ‘we’ so worried about appearing credible to those who have no intention of believing anything other than what they wish to believe? And yet ‘we’ do.

Number two, the official 9/11 cover story stinks worse than two week old fish in August and is so full of holes it contains no substantial factual ‘truth’ to speak of other than bits and pieces here and there held together with baling wire and chewing gum. This is not to say there is no ‘truth’ (maybe I should say ‘fact’ since truth is often subjective) in the story.

Any competent liar will insistent a critical ingredient when concocting a successful (read plausible) lie is to mix just enough truth, especially self damaging truth, into the fetid cesspool of deception, deceit and duplicity. The best ‘genuine imitation’ stew is the one that contains a little real beef mixed in with the chunks of mystery meat and salmonella.

The ‘official’ 9/11 cover story is so full of crap the smell test alone is the early warning sign to fumigate and then repeatedly flush while hoping the septic tank or municipal sewer system can handle the mess without backing up. However the brilliance behind this treachery IS the cover story, as is the case with all reasonably well executed cover stories regardless of how transparent it might be. Enough ‘truth’, omission, scapegoats, blind alleys, false leads, backtracking and ideological red herrings has been seeded into the official cover-up to keep EVERYONE on both sides of the aisle endlessly chasing their tails. A true one-size-fits-all disinformation narrative if ever there was one.

 

The 9/11 Cover Story

 

For those who don’t wish to acknowledge the extremely uncomfortable truth they are sleeping with the enemy (meaning the mainstream media mesmerized) there are just enough self damaging ‘facts’ mixed into the official stew to ‘allow’ them to believe any variety of alternative narratives that point towards governmental/military incompetence, bald faced greed and self dealing, cover-your-ass bureaucratic backpedaling, terrorist ‘bad’ guys who hate-us-for-our-freedom let-me-sleep-like-a-baby ‘beliefs’.

Just as long as ‘we’ are given whatever it takes to avoid looking too closely into the black abyss and seeing ‘us’ for what ‘we’, as well as those formerly and presently in power, really are. After all I can call my wife a whore or my government a killer of its own citizens, but if you say that…well, them thar is fighting words.

Then there is the so called alternative point of view championed by a witch’s brew of dissenting, disaffected and downright angry individuals and small groups who, sadly and unfortunately, have been thoroughly infiltrated and mostly disarmed by the grand keepers of The Big Lie.

That neurotic impulse previously mentioned, of the need to present a complete and plausible alternative explanation when rejecting the official narrative, is expertly used to leverage every possible alternative account regardless of how plausible, or not, it may be. So long as everyone is going nowhere we can spin our wheels to our hearts content while the Grand Parade marches on. Lots of smoke, but no fire, is the objective of the disruptors and disinformation peddlers.

Not only does this keep the minions busy fighting among themselves, but anyone on the outside brave enough to fight back their inner fear of leaving the Matrix and taking a peek inside the alternative reality world is quickly spooked back to dry land by the absolute insanity and brutality of the alternative blogosphere. This is as much by design as by happenstance. Some people are truly just trolls and some are agents of the system hired to send the rabbits out of their holes and into the waiting arms of the existing insane asylum. And sadly some just follow the leader troll and act out their inner aggressions.

Somewhere in the middle of the true crazies screaming bloody murder, the misinformation agents acting out their roles as either crazies or ‘experts’ (and sometimes both), the mostly well intentioned individuals just seeking to find some answers amongst the deafening roar, and the vast silent majority of the minority, those who are truly frightened and confused and who just want the insanity to go away so they can go back to some sort of peaceful sleep, lay the ‘truth’ - slowly being starved to death for lack of nutrition and nurturing by all parties involved.

Contrary to the alternative universe crowd’s present day self image, the desire to go back to sleep seems to be the case for a large and growing population of frightened angry people who are skillfully manipulated, or at least herded, into self destructive actions, self defeating chest beating and righteously indignant late night screaming by way of blogging and posting passionate diatribes via the Interwebby – on occasion this author included.

Mission accomplished as far as the controllers are concerned. Better to have the disaffected corralled in the cattle shoot snipping at one another rather than out in the streets directly confronting authority or taking incremental steps towards slowly withdrawing from the enslaving system. Impossible you say? These human psychological bomb defusing and disposal techniques are older than Jesus Christ himself, stretching back to well before the Roman Empire. All the way back in fact to the Egyptian pharaohs.

[On a side note a totally fascinating and somewhat well documented theory posits that Christianity was created and/or hijacked by the Romans to counter and defuse what was at the time a militantly violent and revolutionary Jewish religion bent on the overthrow and destruction of the Roman Empire in what we today call the Middle East.

Have you ever seriously considered why the Old Testament is so militant and violent while the New Testament is essentially passive? Or pondered why the Jewish faith does not accept the New Testament? Talk about hijacked; if even slightly true, consider the similarities between this theory and what is happening within and to the Muslim religion today by forces outside and within that faith.]

 

Distortion

 

Remarkably, while ‘our’ recorded history has been repeatedly distorted, re-written and omitted time after time, the distortion techniques used are all very well documented and displayed in plain sight for all who are not ideologically blind to see. In my opinion this is a not-so-subtle middle finger to those who claim to be right minded and on the side of truth and justice for all. Essentially we are being told, “This is what we do and how we do it. Whatcha gonna do about it fool?

How do you defeat someone or something much larger than you? Ask any martial arts or military strategy expert and they will tell you the secret to their universe in a few choice words………deception and leverage. Instead of acting to protect ourselves from the predators who use these techniques against ‘us’, we enable them by destroying ourselves and those around us. Just spend a little time studying some recent history from the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s for some examples of self destruction, though I suggest you stay away from the official cover stories endlessly repeated via history textbooks and encyclopedias.

Have you ever wondered what happened to the various ‘popular’ movements and uprisings of those three decades? Again and again and again agents acting in the interest of the power elite and status quo infiltrated anything perceived to be a threat in order to sidetrack, dissolve or outright control any and all ‘subversive’ groups using polarizing techniques that are timeless in their effectiveness and efficiency.

There is only one rule to follow for all centers of power and that is to protect and preserve that power. This applies whether the power resides in governments, (central) banks, corporations, kings, pharaohs or Caesars all the way down to petty school yard bullies and megalomaniac Wal-Mart assistant managers.

If it is newly consolidated power acquired with the ‘consent’ of the people then initially those catered to will be “We the People”. But over time, as the absolute power corrupts absolutely, the fastest and easiest way to remain on top is through increasingly more widespread corruption via confiscating the wealth of the people and then spreading it among those few elite most able and available to assist in the maintenance of that power. Thus corruption spreads and infects everyone including “We the People” who in many cases must resort to these same methods in order to survive within the insanity. Either we become the mob or we die by the mob.

While anything goes in the pursuit of this goal, towards the end of Empire (regardless of the size of that empire) increasingly more ruthless and ‘efficient’ methods are employed to control the herd as the facade that originally kept “We the People” sedated and sated, or at least at bay, dissolves into an orgy of excess and opulence for those who ‘have’ and oppressive drugged drudgery for those who have not, all while “We the People’s” remaining money and wealth are debased and destroyed.

Actually I misspoke at the top of this article (to use that wonderful Newspeak term politicians love to use when backtracking in a hurry) when I said the world changed back on September 11, 2001. What changed was our perception, our worldview, in what was the largest real time experiment in mass hypnosis and perception management ever attempted in order to justify what was already in the works. Problem…Reaction…Solution in all its ugly glory writ large, live and in living color on nearly every TeeVee in the world.

Just because we were witness to such monstrous depravity as to curdle mother’s milk in situ doesn’t mean we cannot sit back and admire the craftsmanship and chutzpah, the grand illusion both as it unfolded and afterward, as it roiled and regurgitated in the world’s gut like a half digested Thanksgiving feast with no bicarbonate in sight.

One must vigorously applaud the spectacle of being told in real time to ignore our lying eyes and ‘believe’ what we are being told, then over the following months and years to backtrack, misspeak, re-speak, doublespeak and un-speak as the initial lie is reformed, refined and rammed up our butts ever deeper, all while we beg for more while cowering from the ghosts of terrorists past, present and future.

It was and remains a masterful job, simply masterful, despite its glaring and painfully obvious miscues, screw-ups and blatant public perception manipulation. If nothing else we have learned it doesn’t matter how obvious the lie is if people don’t want to know the truth. “Tell me another lie Dad so I can believe it’s the truth. Everything is gonna be OK, right?

Litmus Test

So exactly what is this litmus test I’m talking about and how does it apply to you and me. Well, it depends upon who ‘you’ are. I have repeatedly stated that what is not said is often far more important then what is said. For those who hold the ‘public trust’, a title that extends far beyond public servants such as politicians and other ‘officials’, if they continue to uphold the overall ‘official’ 9/11 story even while questioning it in a roundabout manner, it is in my opinion the litmus test.

Worse I have grown weary of the disingenuous argument put forth by some that to speak frankly in public about 9/11 will destroy their credibility and thus their effectiveness as they battle the Empire from within. If one does not speak out against the Empire, yet one derives power from the Empire, ‘one’ is little more than a lackey and controlled opposition to/of/for the Empire. One ‘fact’ is becoming crystal clear as we progress deeper and deeper into this insanity. The Empire serves The Empire and only those who serve The Empire. Period!

At some point down the road to total corruption all energy expended by The Empire, and those who suckle from The Empire, is directed towards sustaining and defending The Empire. From that point on one is either serving that purpose (and lackeys, useful idiots and controlled opposition most certainly do) or one is expelled by The Empire from the (inner) circle of The Empire. Thus any chance one might have had to ‘change’ The Empire is lost………because there was never a ‘chance’ to change it from within to begin with.

I am not calling out anyone in particular because doing so would serve no purpose other than to start a shouting match and further the ‘divide and conquer’ technique those in power use to control and subvert those who are not in power and might otherwise have a voice. I have no doubt many who profess to be battling The Empire from within truly believe they are doing so. That said ultimately it does not change the fact that at best, in the eyes of The Empire, they are useful idiots regardless of whether they know or care they are.

But the second part of the 9/11 Litmus Test applies to everyone else who believes whatever they want to ‘believe’ regarding 9/11. I don’t care which side of the fence we are on, either pro or anti official story or anywhere in between, because it really doesn’t matter. If our view is fixed and unmoving, or worse, confined to a small narrow space where we can maintain the illusion of intellectual flexibility, we too are useful idiots and pawns of The Empire. Notice I say ‘we’ because I am not immune to this infection.

The Empire cares not what we think so long as we are safely corralled within thought boxes and mind memes. Just as long as we hope/expect/pray change is coming, even if that change is believed to spring from collapse brought about by corruption, fiat debasement, loss of dollar reserve status, foreign overextension of empire, foreign or domestic war, whatever the case may be, we for the most part will remain in place feeding the beast……even while we make plans and prepare for “The End of Empire”.

This holds true even for those who choose to believe little to no change is coming, essentially another of the ‘official’ stories we can all believe in. If I can convince myself things will work out, that all we need to right the ship of state is a different President, Congressional critter or some new laws forcing ‘them’ to stop messing things up (read that as change without…well, you know…’change’) then once again I render myself impotent and from The Empire’s perspective safely on the sidelines biding my time while still participating in the Ponzi and feeding the machine.

What 9/11 did, quite effectively I might add, is violently and dramatically change and focus the world’s perspective in general and the average American citizen’s in particular. A ‘new’ boogeyman was created in order for attention to be directed towards a specific area, which just so happens to draw attention away from another. Thirteen years later the intended consequences are still being implemented. As long as we remain mesmerized by the symptoms of the disease we remain effectively disabled from dealing with the root cause of our illness. Mission Accomplished!

It is time to wake up and head deeper down the rabbit hole. Contrary to popular belief ‘our’ collective problems will not be solved unless and until our inner dysfunction and insanity are confronted and recognized. We are our own worst enemy; a quaint saying everyone thinks applies to others and not to ourselves. As long as ‘We the People” continue to believe this fallacy the ancient divide and conquer techniques will reign supreme.

The 9/11 Litmus Test is not about what we know or don’t know, but how we deal with our knowledge and ignorance as well as ourselves while doing so. Once we begin to lift the veil of ignorance and ideology we are like sharks; either we keep moving forward or we die. There is no more treading water for that is reserved for those left behind.

 

09-10-2014

Cognitive Dissonance

 

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Sun, 09/14/2014 - 22:25 | 5217695 VWAndy
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Some would like you to think that.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:55 | 5213319 The Pop In
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Even in 2014, there are many new books and TV shows coming out that support the official BS story of the Kennedy assassination. TPTB have spent untold amounts of time and money to keep the BIG lies going forever, and 911 is no exception. The BIG lies are so preposterous and horrible that they are destined to never be uncovered, but instead only debated, until they fade away into totally indifferent social acceptance.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:16 | 5213245 Duc888
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3rd pig, check into WHY the blue lights shining up into the night sky were set up after the buildings destruction. Amazing obfuscation going on there.

 

The saying "hiding in plain sight" comes to mind.

 

 

;)

 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:06 | 5213227 3rd Pig
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At least the underground thermonuclear demolition charges are being looked at seriously now by truthers, to explain the immense forces in play, to reduce 200,000 tons of structural steel to dust in seconds (the towers were not made from concrete-that dust was pulverised steel, those clouds were pyroclastic clouds )

In slow motion you can actually see the central steel core of the towers crumble – that is caused by nuclear pressure released from deep below the towers – the nuke is detonated well below the tower, but is of such a magnitude that only the edge of the blast touches the foundation of the tower. The resulting atomic damage pulverises all the above structure, steel, floors, elevators, desks, carpets and people all turn into atomic dust.

It’s a big documentary – but well worth it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lec9giab90I Dmitri Khalesov - WTC Nuclear Demolition [Complete / Full Length] 4hr 16min

Architects and Engineers is a limited CIA hangout to keep the public dumbed down, they will keep you chasing your tail forever, as with the Kennedy Assassination, they take control of the narrative and lead you up the garden path.

As far as Cogs piece “don’t know exactly” and “we will never know” don’t cut it – it is bogus. Only if we stop asking the questions, will we never know EXACTLY.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 20:13 | 5212741 Duc888
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Moneybots: I would have to start trolling, in order to stop trolling.

Somehow, i would think that a mini nuke would not be all that small in it's effect, that it would not be noticed as a very out of the ordinary anomally.

 

Do you know ANYTHING about mini nikes?  Apparently not. 

You're thinking wrong.  They've traced where they were stolen from.  They've traced where the machining has taken place...etc...    They've named names.  Once again your laziness in actually reading the information provided from several vetted sources  is your own personal shortcoming.

 

But hey, by all means keep on dreamin' the dream.

 

 

troll.

 

 

 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 18:19 | 5212421 Duc888
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Obominator:Thermite in the upper floors alone and "painted" nano-thermite not anywhere near enough to take the core columns out...you would need truck loads of it at the very least. Did they park truckloads of it in the basement? I dont know.

 

I'm sure I'm not relaying this in a correct fashion but look at what happens (and what is produced) when iron vaporizes.  More specifically what iron is converted to in a nuclear explosion.  Please leave the "nano" prefix off as it is not needed and look at the physics.  This was all off the shelf stuff. 

 

The info is out there, and made available by some rather surprising sources. 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 18:10 | 5212390 Duc888
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....gatekeeprs and all that.  ;)

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 19:45 | 5212692 VWAndy
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Cockblockers is more like it.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 17:09 | 5212250 Obaminator
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As for the twin towers, the floors pancaking is 100% feasible and expected from a srtuctural view.

The problem is the central CORE, which was constructed of Box-Columns about 6 to 10 feet square, each running from the ground up...they had 12-14inch thick walls at the base, tappering down to 3" thick walls at the top. They were also tied together with box-girders and concrete reinforcing. The 110 flrs of the tower simply "hung" from angles on the core columns and spanned to the exterior Structural steel facad.

How the core failed eludes me. The shell also should have been strong enough, but I can see the shear weight of 100 floors pancaking sufficient to shed the facade...but the core...its excluded from the findings becasue the experts cant explain it either...And likely never will because any test to replicate it would yield a core tower 1100 feet high with a pile of debris around it.

Thermite in the upper floors alone and "painted" nano-thermite not anywhere near enough to take the core columns out...you would need truck loads of it at the very least. Did they park truckloads of it in the basement? I dont know.

What I do know is the core columns in theory, should not have failed. Especially since they were not touched.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 18:19 | 5212425 sosoome
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Some of your info is incorrect. Column thickness tapered to 1/4 inch at the top. Column thickness at point of airplane impact was 3/8. It's irrelevant however. Column thickness had little to do with how the cores failed. They were splayed outward by plunging perimeter wall panels from the top section. The cross ties were not concrete re-inforced, and were not constructed to resist the shearing from falling perimeter wall panels. In other words, massive amounts of steel was falling between the columns. Photo evidence of the standing North Tower core show a void of cross ties, consistent with perimeter wall panel plunging down between the columns: http://postimg.org/image/y6l588ol9/

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 17:02 | 5212236 Obaminator
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Something tell me CG may be calling out one certain KD from one certain "Market T!cker" perhaps becasue of his posts yesterday and today claiming ANYONE who has an alternative opinion on 9/11 to be full of ####. Thank you CG for this article.

And Thank you for your Honestly, and also your Non-Arrogant way of allowing other to have opinion.

That being said...9/11 is one big stinky fish. Were the building rigged? How the heck did it all happen? We will never know.

We do know analysis of dust yielded unexpected results. And most importantly, and this is coming from my 20 yrs experience directly with Structural Steel on buildings such as Pro Sports Stadiums and EMP in Seattle as a few examples, I can say that its is most improbable if not statistically impossible, that WTC7, with over 81 Steel Columns, could have ALL 80+ Steel Columns Fail At the exact same moment, and at the exact same place, such that the entire building came down ALL AT ONCE.

The building didnt tip/bend over, which steel wants to do when a column and girder fails, in order for it to have done what it dide, ALL 80+ Columns failed at the same exact moment. And with only 1/6th to 1/4 of the building damaged, I just cant explain why 80 columns decided to fail vertically, rather than only 10 or 20 columns, leaving the other columns "Hanging" on to the other 75% of the building that wasnt damaged.

How? I have no idea.

What I can say, is that never before, and I suspect never again, will we ever see a building with a 2-acre footprint, and over 80 MASSIVE (not dinky) Columns ever fail in the fashion again. Unless its in Las Vegas during a demolition even of the Harmon tower...which is mostly concrete, so that doesnt even count.

nuf said. some of us are crazies I guess...some of us know just enough and have just enough experience about certain professions to know when the "official" explanation sounds even CRAZIER THAN the really of-the-wall theroies.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 15:11 | 5211711 Duc888
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moneybots: Where was the blinding flash and obliteration of everything within a mile of the Towers?

 

 

spend about 5 minutes and read:   

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/28/nuclear-911-revealed-theories-an...

 

 

Should you actually want to stop trolling and learn something read the whole series released by Gordon Duff over the last 4 months.  Pretty amazing what Sandia labs actually released on this subject.

Check out the radiation signature left there.  Unique to a specific mini nuke warhead and initially created at Sandia.

But you won't bother because you're an intellectually lazy troll. 

 

Trollers gotta troll, that's how they roll (and get paid).

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 18:18 | 5212419 moneybots
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"Should you actually want to stop trolling and learn something read the whole series released by Gordon Duff over the last 4 months.  Pretty amazing what Sandia labs actually released on this subject.

Check out the radiation signature left there.  Unique to a specific mini nuke warhead and initially created at Sandia.

But you won't bother because you're an intellectually lazy troll. 

 

Trollers gotta troll, that's how they roll (and get paid)."

 

I would have to start trolling, in order to stop trolling.

Somehow, i would think that a mini nuke would not be all that small in it's effect, that it would not be noticed as a very out of the ordinary anomally. 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 14:24 | 5211638 Joaquin
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I agree, I think we don't know what happened.  Every bit of my engineering sense (38 years experience) tells me that the official explanation about how those buildings failed is not correct, but I have no evidence.   My personal experience tells me, that the government acted on several occaisions as if it is hiding something, i.e., the government is acting like it is guilty, but that proves nothing.

Do I believe that the government of the U.S. would create a false flag attack taking thousands of lives if they thought they could get away with it?  Yes, but that proves nothing either.

Here is what I would offer though: there was no crime scene established, the evidence was hauled away, therefore no one can ever know the truth, however for the government to then turn around, yes I am talking about you, Mr. Sunstein, and say that people have "a damaged epistemology" if they do not believe the official version is basically fucked up.

Any cop who observes someone acting suspiciously will investigate what that person is doing.  That is the duty of a policeman.   We the people are wondering when a policeman is going to become suspicious and investigate 911, one of the great crimes in history.

 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 15:00 | 5211785 sosoome
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"...there was no crime scene established..."

What do you base that statement on? Do you have inside information on what all the investigative agencies who were swarming the site did or did not do?

"...the evidence was hauled away..."

Of course it was hauled away. How else could emergency equipment and rescuers access the site? It was hauled off to land fills, where it was inspected by various agencies before ever being released for recycling. There is plenty of video documentation of the evidence at the landfills, and boatloads of video and photo documentation of the debris on site day of and after. Every bit of that evidence shows the buildings broke apart at their connections, with no sign of controlled demolition.

Dr. Gene Corley, the top forensic structural engineer in the country, conducted a forensic investigation, and is on record stating his team looked specifically for evidence of controlled demolition, and found no evidence of controlled demolition. The video and photo documentation corroborate his conclusions.

Sun, 09/14/2014 - 01:30 | 5215476 Joaquin
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The NIST reports actually say this; you can read them.  they point out that all of the evidence was hauled away before NIST began their investigation and that NIST's investigation was mainly based on photographic evidence.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 14:13 | 5211581 Squiddly Diddly
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"[On a side note a totally fascinating and somewhat well documented theory posits that Christianity was created and/or hijacked by the Romans to counter and defuse what was at the time a militantly violent and revolutionary Jewish religion bent on the overthrow and destruction of the Roman Empire in what we today call the Middle East.

Have you ever seriously considered why the Old Testament is so militant and violent while the New Testament is essentially passive? Or pondered why the Jewish faith does not accept the New Testament? Talk about hijacked; if even slightly true, consider the similarities between this theory and what is happening within and to the Muslim religion today by forces outside and within that faith.]"

A theory I find not credible. The OT kingdom of Israel was a theocracy like Eden where God directly rules on the earth. When God has an earthly sanctuary He commands that His land be be cleansed of His enemies. The OT kingdom of Israel is a type for the rule of God which will be fulfilled upon the return of Jesus, God's anointed king who is the son of David (see Revelation). Now is the time for repentance (amnesty for we rebels) and to acknowledge God's reigning King/Priest before He returns to execute judgement and ascends to His earthly/heavenly throne.

Isaiah (Ch 8)prophesied that the Jews would reject the Messiah: 11For the Lord spoke thus to me with his strong hand upon me, and warned me not to walk in the way of this people, saying: 12“Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread. 13But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. 14And he will become a sanctuary and a stone of offense and a rock of stumbling to both houses of Israel, a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 15And many shall stumble on it. They shall fall and be broken; they shall be snared and taken.”

God's sovereign plan has not been hijacked. God is offering forgiveness of sins to the sons of Ishmael, Issac and all the sons/daughters of men who accept Jesus as their atonement.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 11:15 | 5210572 TwoHoot
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One of the many things that happened on 9/11 was that the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York City were destroyed. I believe that to be a fact.

I do not know exactly who caused it, how it happened or why. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that it is still affecting American behaviour 13 years later.

In the big scheme of things, the loss of life and property destruction was small. There haven't been any similar events in thirteen years, so it is not a chronic problem. Yet, it led to a radical shift in American foreign and domestic policy. (Much like a thrid-rate assination in Eastern Europe leading to WWI, a global depression and WWII).

That does affect me and I do care about that. I will spend my physical, mental and spiritual resources dealing with the present rather than indulging in the evasion of unraveling the unknowable past.

I do believe that actions have consequence, so doing the next right thing today will lead to a better tomorrow. My focus is on finding the right thing that needs doing today.

I think CD was trying to encourage us to look forward, not back. If the comments are any indication, he failed (I'll go ahead and give him an A for effort).

Cordially,

TwoHoot

 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 11:22 | 5210682 Mrs. Cog
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Take heart TwoHoot -  many of these comments are not an indication of Cog's reach or efficacy. There are a growing number who do want to take an honest look.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 13:31 | 5211350 VWAndy
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Count me in that group. The official story dont hold up.

The name calling, cherry picking, doggy and dismisive schtick dont fly with me. These are tactics of evassion and that sets off my BSometer every time. Call me what you will. Bat shit crazy,loony,paranoid or delusional I dont care. Answer all the questions then I will make up my own mind.

 As it stands now. I call BULLSHIT. Prove it. All of it.

That said the burden of proof is not on me the one with doubts. No no no! That burden of proof falls on those that claim to know. I am not the one sitting on all the evidence. All I got are questions. What I dont get is good answers.  

 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 10:17 | 5210400 TruthTalker
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9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, & Details Exposed!   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dn...
Fri, 09/12/2014 - 10:13 | 5210388 Monty Burns
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+100

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 10:07 | 5210372 Duc888
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Moneybots: Kerosine doesn't melt steel is a nice mantra, but that is all it is.

 

Ever use a Coleman Kerosine heater?  Evidently not.  I have and you know what?  It doesn't melt the steel heater into a blob.  

So you've seen the numerous vids here on this thread from eyewitnesses that stated the fires burned for 8+ weeks.  So what was that,  desks and chairs?  

I've shown pics here of granite bedrock that was melted under WTC.  Since you have all the answers what was the source of that ignition and what sustained the fires for 8+ weeks?

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 13:04 | 5211238 moneybots
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Moneybots: Kerosine doesn't melt steel is a nice mantra, but that is all it is.

 

"Ever use a Coleman Kerosine heater?  Evidently not.  I have and you know what?  It doesn't melt the steel heater into a blob."

 

Kerosine does not melt steel, making it a nice mantra, but that is all it is.  So what that it doesn't melt steel.  Show me a photo of liquid molten steel at the World Trade site. 

"So you've seen the numerous vids here on this thread from eyewitnesses that stated the fires burned for 8+ weeks.  So what was that,  desks and chairs?"

Combustibles burn.  I was watching a story the other week, about an underground coal fire that has been burning for years.  It just slowly moves on from one area to another.

 

"I've shown pics here of granite bedrock that was melted under WTC. "

I was watching Rebuilding the World Trade Center last night.  They had footage of the workers doing work on the foundation.  Didn't see any evidence of molten granite.

Saw a photo at someone's link, which showed bedrock with an interesting pattern on it, but it was not molten.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 13:35 | 5211367 VWAndy
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Doggy answer. Try again. Please.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 15:12 | 5211845 moneybots
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"Doggy answer. Try again. Please."

 

No need to.  I am still waitng to see any photos of liquid molten steel. Photos of solid steel glowing at various colors, is not liquid steel.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 19:37 | 5212658 VWAndy
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Dismisive and changing the subject.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 11:56 | 5210897 sosoome
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"...what was the source of that ignition and what sustained the fires for 8+ weeks?"

Tons and tons of ground up flammable material intelaced in piles of twisted metal 15 or so stories deep. A perfect environment for long lasting fires. And if you truly want to know how long fires can burn underground, go talk to an old time land fill operator.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 13:39 | 5211396 VWAndy
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BS. Not a valid answer. Reread the question.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 15:35 | 5211955 sosoome
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If you refer to the "ignition" part of the question, it should be obvious, considering the amount of flaming material spewed all over the site.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 19:34 | 5212652 VWAndy
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Not valid answer. It is a two part question. You did not answer either part.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 21:22 | 5212959 sosoome
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Ignition was existing fire and sustainment was shredded fuel and oxygen. I answered the question. Long burning fires in those piles is no mystery at all.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:10 | 5213078 VWAndy
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A mixture of sawdust and powdered cement burned for weeks? Now that seems,,,loony. Would you care to elaborate?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 02:28 | 5213505 sosoome
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You are overlooking all the combustibles from 110 floors; tons and tons of fuel. 

Sun, 09/14/2014 - 22:21 | 5217679 VWAndy
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Cement is a fuel? Hummmm I never thought of 110 floors of cement as fuel. Let me think on this.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 10:08 | 5210370 TruthTalker
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He lost me when he insinuated Islam has been taken over - for 1400 years they have done exactly the same thing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&app=desktop

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 08:58 | 5210141 forwardho
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There is nothing more guaranteed to keep a man in everlasting ignorance than contempt prior to investigation.

 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 09:56 | 5210338 Cognitive Dissonance
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Nice.

While it may keep us emotional 'safe' it actually pushes us closer to danger. Our selves and our ego are our worst enemies.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 08:37 | 5210067 tip e. canoe
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Rosebud.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 08:36 | 5210059 prymythirdeye
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Reading these comments gets me so angry.  You're all being fooled beyond your wildest beliefs.  After 13 years and more media fakery than one can imagine, you'd think more people, especially those on this site would have a better understanding of what is going on in the world.  For the last time....9/11 was a controlled demolition on empty towers that was planned since the day they were built.  I'm not saying no one was killed that day (I worked down there for six months making food for the rescue and construction workers so I witnessed it first hand).  More importantly, it was a catalyst for moar bankster stealing, moar wars and all around general misery for the 99%.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 08:00 | 5209948 Notsobadwlad
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IMO, we have always been a slave race. We have never been free. In the past a larger percentage of the population may have known who our masters were. But, we are a herd, a crop ... maybe an experiment, but slaves nonetheless.

IMO, that is why not much makes sense... if you compare what we believe to what we know.

Obviously there are some who know at least some of the truth and they are trusted to adminster to us. Maybe they are those of them who have been integated into us. And oddly or not so oddly those who were truly on the inside and turn against their masters generally end up dead... probably not the worst fate. It is probably worse to remain an ignorant slave.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 08:12 | 5209985 Mrs. Cog
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IMO, we have always been a slave race. We have never been free.

Perhaps for this go-round of human history you are correct. But more and more evidence comes to light that humans have been around for much longer than our clever history alludes to and just maybe we came closer to getting it right at one time. The theories and discussions about what potentially happened to cause the big change and throw humanity so far out of balance are fascinating.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 07:39 | 5209928 Notsobadwlad
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The main thing that 9/11 taught me in addition to the scope and scale of the conspiracy required to pull it off, is: "It does not matter if 50,000 people know something. 50,000 is nothing compared to 300,000,000 OR 6,500,000,000".

The damage control mechanism after the event was also huge and people were killed to protect the guilty.

It also taught me that I do not ever want to be part of the conspiracy. No matter the benefits, they are not worth it.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 04:19 | 5209808 fukidontknow
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Why is there a picture of my first wife eating cake?

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 08:06 | 5209969 Sambo
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LOL!

 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 03:50 | 5209796 Leraconteur
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I will attempt, in vain, again:

 before we discard the previous one, particularly if the one being discarded is ‘official’. 

 

CD, it is not ''the official'' narrative, it's the one the intelligent figured out in real time.

Planes impact WTC 1 and 2. Since I was a bit of a teen geek, I knew that the structure of WTC was not the same as other buildings, unique except for the Aon/Standard Oil tower in Chicago. I knew that these were two tubes with a core and sprung unsupported floors between. Not good for surviving this event.

I go to the office and video replays of towers collapsing, planes impacting, people leaping 300 metres to their death. After I get over the shock, I realise that the design of the buildings gave them fatal flaws and the result is what is seen on video as well as what became months later ''the official narrative".

I have posted many times the breakdown of the PE and KE contained in the towers and the planes, and the PE of one floor of WTC was greater than the equivalent of 2 tonnes of TNT at the 110th floor.

This is science and maths. It's not my theory, or my opinion.

The energy in one floor was sufficient to be equal to a bomb that would take down WTC 7, and between the two towers summed down to floor 40 the PE converted to KE was between 200 and 500 tonnes of TNT equivalent.

IOW, a good sized tactical nuke. 5 e 11 joules per tower above the 40th floor.

If you pull up a nuke simulator, go to that location in Manhattan, locate a 200 to 500 tonne device 100 metres off the ground and look at the damage radius, WTC 7 falls within a circle that means it is destroyed.

The energy involved was sufficient to do as ''the official version'' claims.

Continue with the logical fallacies and down votes...

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 20:24 | 5212806 robobbob
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and uh.....what were the results of what brought down tower 7?

 

and did the simulation show how a bunch of guys got from waaaaaay over there, to waaaaaay over here and flying some planes without anyone noticing?

but all of this ignores cogs whole point. the real truth may never be known. what is known is the reaction, lies, and exploitation of the event for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many, and how arguing round and round over the who and how of what happened then, is being used to prevent us for changing what is happening here and now.

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