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Putin To Head Military-Industrial Commission, Sees Nuclear Deterrence As Top Task
When we exposed the shift in Russia's military doctrine towards one of nuclear deterrence and pre-emptive strikes, many eschewed it as fantastical thinking of extremists. They were wrong. Speaking at a defense meeting this morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared he is taking charge of Russia's military-industrial complex:
- *PUTIN SAYS DRAFT NEW MILITARY DOCTRINE SHOULD BE READY BY DEC.
- *PUTIN CALLS ENSURING NUCLEAR DETERRENT TOP DEFENSE TASK TO 2030
This does not seem like de-escalatory conversation as NATO continues to push - to justify its existence - and Putin now prepares an increasingly Cold-War-esque response threat (following an overnight nuclear missile test).
President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on Wednesday taking direct charge of a commission that oversees Russia's defense industry as Moscow tries to reduce reliance on Western equipment following sanctions over the Ukraine crisis.
He also said NATO was using rhetoric over the conflict in Ukraine to "resuscitate itself" and that Russia had warned repeatedly that it would have to respond to such moves.
And overnight, RIA reports a successful Russian Nuclear Missile test:
- *RUSSIA SUCCESSFULLY TESTED BULAVA MISSILE, RIA SAYS
- *RUSSIA SAYS BULAVA MISSILE TEST FIRED FROM SUBMARINE: RIA
Russia’s Vladimir Monomakh nuclear submarine launched Bulava missile from White Sea to shooting range in Kamchatka, state-run RIA Novosti reports, citing Defense Ministry’s spokesman, Igor Konashenkov.
Defense Ministry earlier said 2 Bulava tests planned for 2014, in Sept. and Nov.: RIA
He added:
- *PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE CRISIS BEING USED TO REVIVE NATO
- *PUTIN SAYS U.S. EXIT FROM MISSILE-DEFENSE TREATY CREATES THREAT
- *PUTIN ORDERS 2016-2030 DEFENSE DEVELOPMENT BUDGET BY END OF OCT
And who will be in charge of all this...
- *PUTIN SAYS HE'LL HEAD RUSSIAN MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMMISSION
"Decree on the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, it is subordinated to the president directly. We discussed this issue with the government, the Prime Minister, and decided that it would be more effective than her work is built keeping in mind the fact that it will deal with a large power issues now import ", - Putin said at the meeting.
He added that the deputy was appointed vice-premier Rogozin, executive secretary - deputy defense minister Borisov.
"We hope that the new status of the commission, as well as its broad powers allow better coordinate cooperation between the Ministry of Defense and the other departments and defense enterprises, to solve all questions on the organization of the state defense order execution", - Putin said.
No surprise there!
And then there's this...
- *RUSSIA, IRAN TO RESUME TALKS ON CIVILIAN NUCLEAR PROJECTS SOON
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US out of NATO.
US out of UN.
etc., etc.
Obama or Kerry should take charge of MIC as well ...
Putin gears up the nukes, while the NWO pushes on. Putin had a front row seat to watch the NWO bring ruin to his country, and will no doubt nuke Europe before he lets it happen again.
Unlike NWO puppet leader toadies in the West, Putin actually loves his country.
US government is busy realigning the Middle East and Ukraine for the NWO. The fly in the ointment is Russia, China. Both now sick to death of US hegemonic aspirations in their respective back yards. I think it entirely possible we are on the verge of nuclear Armageddon. Who would have thought the US would be the Great Satan that would take us in to a mass extinction.
A country we once all looked up to. Now despised by all. The US government is truly evil infiltrated at every level by Israeli Zionists.
Try Satanists.
I think you can add the following countries to your list who are sick of "US hegemonic aspirations": India, Syria, Iran, Iraq, most of Africa, and pretty much all of Central/South America.
Putin isn't flexing his nuclear muscle because he's worried about the West. Putin is scared of China. China looks with great envy at the natural riches of Russia's Far East and Siberia. Chinas also has claims on many of thos areas going back a thousands years. China is also expanding its "reputed" territories in the South China Sea and borders with Nepal and India.
good luck with that the MIC runs this country not the other way around (see Mcain and Graham- they never met a country they didn't want to invade)
See the irony - it was in trying to keep up with US military spending that the Russian economic back was broken in the 80s - along with a war in Afghanistan.
Fast Foward 30 years.
Right and you get more bang for your rouble with nukes than conventional systems.
They crashed with Afganistan, we crash with Afganistan.
The US having the reserve currency and the USSR a command economy certainly didn't help.
We'll see how long the US economy lasts after the dollar loses its status.
USA EU ISRAEL vs Err'body else......see you in the bunker.
the bunker you're storing home made rockets in?
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/10/israel-cited-hamas-rocket-fire-as-e...
What's Russian for "Samson option"?
Dasbydanya
...suki!
Vyibor Sampsona?
Is that the Russian WWI general who shot himself in the head, rather than surrender to Field Marshal Hindenberg?
Mertvaya Ruka
Putin winning the PR - Public Relations War.
Obama & MIC-Tribe of NeoCons only have Media propaganda to support their traitorous actions.
The American Media Is The Enemy Of The American People
You're kidding, right? If Putin were winning the pr war, there would be no sanctions or people would not blindly believe he was involved in the shoot down..
Well then we better invade Russia before December.
These types of announcements make Putin look weak. The world recognizes that Russia has nuclear weapons, and systems to deliver those weapons. It was assumed those systems worked well as Russian sources told us so many times.
That being said, why is this test needed? Were there problems with the Russian missles that needed to be worked out? Maybe their vaunted rocket engines were not performing up to snuff?
...Is Putin bluffing?
"...Is Putin bluffing?"
Are you?
...You're playing checkers again...
Based on your commentary you're playing Chutes and Ladders. If you remember correctly Reagan did a lot of bluffing with Star Wars.
Sometimes up a whole lot of nothing is a real cool hand.
~Cool Hand Luke
Canucklehead...right, because everything in the world is built to perfection the first time around. Nothing ever needs refinement and crews never need practice. All of man's creations from ICBMs to DVD players can sit indefinitely on a shelf and will work exactly as the day they rolled off the assembly line.
Exactly.
Although American companies like General Motors get everything right the first time.
Good enough for NASA to use... until now.
Well, if there's anything we can count on it's that Putin is not bluffing. He WILL head this commission and he WILL make nuclear deterrence top priority.
Remember that Putin has very carefully cast himself as the Anti-Obama in every possible way. Projecting strength instead of weakness, etc. But more than that, he DOES WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO, while Obama's actions don't match his words.
I don't believe we are debating process. What I question is product.
Will Putin make the decision to go? Is he Dr. Strangelove?
Get serious.
US .gov is far more insane that Russia .gov.
Get serious? Isn't that the question you need to ask Putin?
I see a market in Putin faced garden gnomes (with sunglasses).
You ain't very bright, are you ? Either that, or you hide it really well...
Let's agree that I hide it very well...
Is this one of those fake users created by the Tylers to stir the pot??
Because I'm not buying it, professional trolls do a better job than this and I don't see how the average Joe Schmo could stretch his attention span long enough to make so many comments on ZH.
"Were there problems with the Russian missles that needed to be worked out?"
There are ALWAYS bugs with new, complex systems. (Remember the D5 Tridents pinwheeling their first few launches?). That is why you test and increase the complexity of the tests again and again.
You don't say?
You sure you weren't cruising for cock when corduroy pants were popular?
No sir. I was riding T-hulls in those days. I know WHY they were pinwheeling too. I am assuming that is classified so it will stay in my little bag of useless knowledge.
In case anyone was curious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5nZ-SwngnE
Doubled.
"Maybe their vaunted rocket engines were not performing up to snuff?"
If that is the case, then no more trips to ISS for the West ...
Knucklehead- You do realize that sometimes you perform these "tests" not so much for your own technical purposes, but for other people to see, right? You think Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed so the US could make sure the nukes worked? Hmmmmm...
...but for other people to see, right?
That's my point. That is the reason Putin ordered this test. He feels he is not being taken seriously. He thinks the way to win hearts and minds is to scare people.
Putin has no chance...
None whatsoever. China is given to task of rounding up Putin et al. When all is said and done, the world will turn a blind eye to Chinese movements into Mongolia and Eastern Russian markets.
Putin et al will be upset but there is very little they can do other than use a nuclear bomb on China. That is not the way to make friends.
I don't think Putin is going for "hearts and minds"... at least not the US/Eurocrats running the show, to whom the excerise was aimed at. Your psychoanalysis might need a little calibration.
"China is given to task of rounding up Putin et al" - So China is secretly working with the US/West to grab Russian land? Wow, that is some acting job those Chinese are doing... who knew!!!
"And the only thing Putin can do is use a nuclear bomb."---- Uhhhh, yeah. Good night, and good luck.
You know when I first read this I didn't believe it.
Get away from the cities and military bases. Get ready for this. This guy says we've still got a few years until Russia/China's military capability is up to where they feel they can take us.
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html
The cities would be the very last target they'd waste a missile on.
Not true. Cities tend to be important targets for population and transportation reasons. Being "soft" targets most will be subject to airburst - less fallout, but wider area of effect.
You know what? Fuck it. Just declare the START treaties fucking dead and agree to an above ground test once every decade or two with a thermonuclear device that uses a lead tamper (less fallout,) where all of the world leaders are invited to watch the test. The big secret with nuclear weapons is not how to build them, but that they work, and that cat is out of the bag. People need to be reminded what they are and what they do, because according to everybody that I've talked to who has personally witnessed one go of, you cannot comprehend the power without personally experiencing it yourself.
I question your comment as according to everybody that I've talked to who has personally witnessed one go off, it was not a big deal. Sure there was a loud swishing sound as the shock wave broke over you, but all in all it reminded them of a Ferguson Friday Night.
I personally witnessed the first Death Star explode and it was no big deal either.
If you don't mind, I would like to link to your comment... if the topic ever comes up in normal conversation.
I thought it better to ask for permission rather than ask for forgiveness.
"...loud swishing sound..."
Really?? You sure you weren't cruising for cock when corduroy pants were popular?
Rogozin! We want Rogozin!
At least there's a December this year.
So if ebola doesn't get us, the nuclear war will. Lovely :-)
Russia lost 20+ Million Men, Women, and Children fighting the Nazi's in WWII.
If you don't think they'll use a battlefield tactical nuke to stop an invasion from the West you're dreaming.
I think you can land a half dozen or so helicopters in rural Russia and the locals will come out and have their pictures taken.
Anybody who thinks that an invasion of Russia itself is a good idea is dreaming while on 'shrooms period. Even if we could pull it off and win without a nuclear war, it would be a phyrric victory. Kicking Russia's ass in a toe-to-toe naval battle in the middle of the Atlantic is one thing. Resisting a Russian invasion of your sovereign territory is similar to that. Invading Russia is quite another. The Nazis never even got to the point where the USSR had to fall back on Siberia, and those crazy Ruskies will fall back onto Siberia if pushed far enough.
Oh come on. Invading Russia is the easiest thing thing the world. It is the getting out part that still needs improvement.
Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery said: "There are only two rules of warfare: 1) never invade Russia, 2) never invade China."
Get serious. This is all about a port in a NATO Lake. If you wanted to invade Russia today, you would unload a dozen or so RAVES in various Russian cities. Then while there, you would go nuclear all night.
By morning, everyone would have a smile on their faces.
if NATO could do it they would have.
You clearly don't know much about these matters - why pretend?
It's all good. El Presidente Zero is going on prime time teevee tonight to ramp up the WWIII military spending. Start waving those flags boyz and girlz..... You stupid mother fucking iSheeple.
Wonder if he will re-crankup the war bond program? We could go back to B-25s bought by high schools.
USA! USA! USA! :>)
**It's debate time again folks**
Biden on Iran: Iran doesn't even know how to make a missile that can carry a nuke. (libersals laughing in back: snark snark snark, that's genius and I love the way he debates with others like he's the school yard bully, bully's are cool. How dare that youngster get up there and challenge his authority, Biden and Obama are our supreme leaders and I would love to bow to them because it's great being led around like dogs on a leash. Please spank me again)
Nice argument but, Iran doesn't live in a bubble you bully asswipe and they can easily buy some missile making plans from China or Russia. They could get plans emailed to them faster than you can get the fart out of your ass. Are you kidding me, that's his argument!
To quote another poster, the world has gone "Full Biden"
Hasn't Iran already launched several satelites ?
And what will Iran do if the US starts bombing Syria, their ally in a defence pact ?
And then Iran's allies in the SCO.
See the problem ?
Biden would say that... I'm sure he realizes a missile is not required- worst case scenario would be a nuclear device sailing into one of our harbors.... I'm sure that is one reason our satellites track ships all over the world
NoDebt: But more than that, he DOES WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO, while Obama's actions don't match his words.
Except when he says he's going golfing, then he MEANS it.
oh...wait...
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2014/09/10/obama-denied-golf/
In the fifties Eisenhower used nuclear deterrance while Russia interfered in countries around the globe.
Now the US is interfering in countries around the globe and Russia is scared enough to reach for the nuclear deterrance.
Back in the 80s when Russia collapsed, the US had the opportunity to create peace around the world, or to turn into the biggest bully unopposed. They turned into the biggest bully, but they are no longer unopposed.
nice synopsis....
Good luck if a shooting war breaks out.
How old this nuclear submarins?
Larouche Pac. documentary Unsurvivable - Obama, Nuclear War, World War III the End of Civilization - YouTube
No idea.
New class of Russian boomers started going into service in 2011.
Google it, I can't be bothered.Equal performance to the US boomers.
The old crap ones were mothballed.
i asked about usa nuclear submarinas... that guy just delete about 90% of his post...
Yes I deleted 90% of my post. Is that illegal? The info I deleted is available in the video posted.
Last SSBN was the Louisiana commissioned in 1997.
There are a new generation of American boomers on the drawing board. It remains to be seen if they will be built or not.
If they gonna look anywhere like the "new generation" aircraft (already off the drawing board), they better keep the old ones close enough...
Here is my post again if you don't have time to watch the video. The USA has 18 nuclear subs, 14 of them each containing 24 Trident I and Trident II missiles. Each Trident contains 6-8 independently targeted nuclear missiles with a yield of 475 kilo-tonnes. The other 4 subs are armed with 154 cruise missiles which can be nuclear armed. These 400 odd nuclear missiles are about half the USA's nuclear arms. And I calculated the yield at 4 trillion lbs of TNT.
Guys like Putin, when they see a power vacuum, they will fill it. And the US under Obama has created one big assed power vacuum.
Raoul,
Putin is not doing what he's doing because he sees a power vacuum waiting to be filled. He is doing it because he understands that certain foreign powers are deternined to encircle and ultimiately dismember his country.
Bulava is working, meaning Russian sub part of the nuke triad is very robust.
O/T
"China deploys troops in South Sudan to defend oil fields, workers"
http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/20891
If it wasn't for Russia's nuclear deterrent NATO would have already been Bom-Bing Russia by now.
NATO loves to bomb states that can't fight back much.
So Putin's strategy is to buy time (until about 2030) for Russia to strengthen and sophisticate its conventional forces w/o breaking the budget and repeating the Soviet collapse. And nukes are the cheap and easy way to buy that time.
So in parallel with the short-term nukes strategy, Russia will beef up its conventional military, and will be 'tight' all the way around by 2030 or sooner. In the meantime, if NATO gets a boner lasting more than 4 hours and decides to dick around with Russia militarily, it will pay a very dear price.
Unless they have this: http://worldmilitaryweapons.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/russia-has-amazing-de... then nukes look like firecrackers compared to this stuff ;)
Russia must have been sleeping - from the article:
"Moscow tries to reduce reliance on Western equipment following sanctions over the Ukraine crisis."
With all the moves the US has made in the middle east for many years how could Russia let itself be so unprepared?
SWIFT, one main gas customer block (no pipeline to China), western pc's and operating software, and so forth
When the west moved in the middle east Russia should have understood the need to ramp up their nuclear threat.
Maybe I am just missing it but has there been even one effective proxy war initiated in the background by Russia and aimed at the US/NATO's interests withing the last 15 yrs. Russia is just dodging, ducking and juking - when does Russia do something that lands, hits and stings right now. I know these plans for future effects by slowly moving off the dollar but the BRICS types other than China and Russia can be disrupted easily. When does Russia land an offensive blow, with effect, and thus take some control of the process.
Seems Russia has been playing chess with itself while Iraq, Libya, Syria and even some eastern block countries have been dismantled. Surprise, now they are right at Russia's door - and you tell me Russia has not prepared? That is not chess, that is drinking and bs'ing while the enemy builds fortifications closer and closer (after killing those who once were your friends).
I guarantee you the US is not abiding by any nuclear, biological, enviromental, geoclimate warfare treaty and has not been. Will Russia be just another dieing country crying foul about how the US lied did not play by the rules?
Just guessing here but It is very possible that Ju-Jitsu is a better explanation than chess. the opponent's stregnth and momentum can be leveraged to your advantage. Putin holds various belts and has made some pretty god videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSIkIvK6qCU
Momentum Bitchez!
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1992-02-22/
There is nothing NEW in this President Putin strategy. It is AT LEAST 15 years old. It took the Russians this long to overcome the demanding technical requirements of the new ICBM and SLBM missiles.
They are also having problems with their new SSBN submarines.
They don't have the HIGH-QUALITY workforce that they use to have in the old USSR.
What is new is the bombastic NK-sounding rhetoric?
The risk as I see it in Putin publicly announcing a "pre-emptive nuke use policy" is that it might push another nuke power state into using them against Russia in an attempt to prevent Putin from using them first, pre-emptively.
I'll see your pre-emptively, and raise you to Pre-Pre-Emptively !
(please never call this bet)
This can only mean one thing:
A pre-emptive nuke attack by both sides to pre-empt the other side from using nukes to start a world war.
Can't we just seceed from Washington D.C.?
We need a military and to form a real government since ours was taken over by Goldman Sachs and the CIA. We should be allowed to have a government according to the UN.
HOPE YOUR HAPPY NATO DUMB*UCKS
Bear has just consolidated the Federation's MIC
to ordered another 1000 new balava's
at cost
and will be taking orders for MOARWAR
S - STUPID
T - TIMES
A - ARE
R - RIGHT
T - TODAY
How is this?
Is Putin putting Russia on a Wartime Economy?
Or is it just SDI; Ruski style?
vlad understands: a country can have 3T people, largest geography, most prosperous economy and robust nuke program, BUT, if you can't pull the trigger you're done.