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Far-Right Nationalist Le Pen Takes Lead In French Presidental Poll

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It's not just Scotland... or Catalan. As The Guardian reports, polls out in the past few days in France have shown far-right Front National (FN) leader Marine Le Pen topping a presidential poll for the first time. Alongside this surge in support for FN is the utter collapse in the French people's faith in Hollande. Less than 20% of voters now approve of the French president and stunningly more than half the nation's card-holding-socialists have given up on him. An unprecedented 85% of French voters don't think Hollande should seek a second term.

 

As The Guardian reports,

An Ifop poll released by Le Figaro on Friday placed far-right Front National (FN) leader Marine Le Pen ahead of President François Hollande in a hypothetical second round runoff. It is the first time the FN tops a presidential poll against one of France’s two main parties, the Socialist Party (PS) and the centre-right Union for a Popular Movement (UMP).

 

This is important because, as The Guardian explains,

There has long been an unwritten rule in French politics: the supporters of the two main parties have historically coalesced against FN candidates in second round votes. The clearest example in 2002’s presidential election when Jacques Chirac defeated Jean-Marie Le Pen 82-18%.

But with such widespread support (as was evident in the recent local elections), it will be hard for the main parties to turn their back in 2017.

In parallel to the FN’s growing support, the popularity of President Hollande has reached a new record low. Less than 20% of voters now approve of the president.

Even more worryingly for the Hollande camp is the loss of support among socialist voters. According to recent polls, nearly one-in-two no longer approve of the president.

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“No poll, no political turmoil will kick me out,” Hollande said after his approval rating fell as low as 13 percent this month.

One word - guillotine?

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Of course, as we noted here, France is not the only nation unimpressed by its leaders...

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The uprising against the status quo is coming, and as IceCap's Keith Dicker warned, the bond market (which has seen notable weakness in the last few days) will be the first to show it. The massive signal failure between markets and reality is about to be exposed.

 

 

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Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:35 | 5207524 Gromit
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Election not till 2017.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:51 | 5207604 Big Corked Boots
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And yet, mob riots are always readily available in France.

Save those wine bottles!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:55 | 5207621 Hippocratic Oaf
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How you like them taxes, oui?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:30 | 5208129 wee-weed up
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Obozo to Hollande...

"Hey, François... Sorry to hear the French people are so disillusioned with you and want to throw you out. I've got shitty poll numbers also. But too bad you're not half-black like me. Those Americans who don't like me can't touch me...

I've got a 'Get-Out-Of-Impeachment-Free' card, and it's strictly enforced by my MSM."

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:57 | 5208272 Mountainview
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The French have the choice between two clones. (Sarkozy and Valls), FN and the far left. Poor French.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:05 | 5208307 SafelyGraze
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"Far-Right Nationalist Le Pen Takes Lead In French Presidental Poll"

great.

just what germany needs.

now you can expect france to hold a referendum on seceding from germany.

and making french their 'official' language.

good grief.

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:27 | 5208409 whotookmyalias
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I would love to see the guillotine back in Place de la Concorde, right next to the big Egyptian obelisk.  Imagine the HDR images you could get at night with the fountains and Tour Eiffel all lit up.

 

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 19:04 | 5208768 tostaky06
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because the best has been sent to prison by U.S. when he asked to see USA gold ...

In France no one care if he did sex with maid, but she love money, and USA love euopean trouble ... 

Kennedy did more sex than him ... but it was easier to kill him than a french obv ...

Sad story ... 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:11 | 5207737 Kirk2NCC1701
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Jean-Luc Picard, is that you?  Which 'French' are rioting?  The French-French or MENA-French?

And are they doing it in style?  With wine, baguettes and fromage? 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:41 | 5207916 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Rioting is like the national sport over there.  The real french riot like our labor unions used to strike.  The MENA-french (Klingons) riot like our naggers do here.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:23 | 5208122 Freddie
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The French have more balls than fat Amerikuns watching TV and Hollywood brainwashing like dumb Obama loving sheep f**ks.

Good for Le Pen - roll the tribe demonizing her as a nazi while the tribe in the EU, USA nad Israel act like real nazis.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:32 | 5208436 whotookmyalias
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Hey at least France had the guts to ban full face covering burhkas.  

 

I'm starting to see them in CA and NV, including one time where a guy was in shorts and a t-shirt in a sporting goods store looking at guns with his woman standing there in black head to toe.  Nice culture, huh?  

 

France not only banned it but sent some rich Saudi back on the plane when they wouldn't remove it upon landing at the airport.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 19:09 | 5208791 itstippy
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What do you care if someone wants to walk around in public with their face covered?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 19:25 | 5208839 whotookmyalias
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When I was in High School, a friend painted up a hockey mask orange and blue.  I used to drive around with it on.  One day when I pulled into a parking lot, a lady pulled in right next to me.  I waited for her to get out before I took the mask off because I didn't want her to see what I looked like. She wouldn't leave, so I had to take the mask of while she was staring at me in horror.  As I was walking in the store, she still hadn't gotten out of her car.  Ever since then, I actually care quite a bit if someone wants to walk around in public with a hockey mask on.

 

In the case of full face covering burka, it's demeaning and degrading to women and although I claim to be tolerant and sometimes being tolerant means being tolerant of something you strongly disagree with, I just cannot come to peace with any man who makes his woman dress in black head to toe and cover her face.  Plus who knows who is really under that crazy black tent and what they have strapped to their body.

 

I normally don't reply to dipshits, but today is dipshit reply day so enjoy.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 19:39 | 5208876 James_Cole
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I claim to be tolerant and sometimes being tolerant means being tolerant of something you strongly disagree with, I just cannot come to peace with any man who makes his woman dress in black head to toe and cover her face

 

You had it mostly right at the first part - if people want to dress up as ninjas that's their prerogative. And they might not dig your dress code either. 

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 19:33 | 5208857 Pie rre
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And the French have the balls to demand a piece of the action.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:11 | 5207742 PSEUDOLOGOI
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Don't forget about Spain!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:30 | 5207856 Gromit
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http://blog.mpettis.com/2014/08/can-pedro-sanchez-save-the-psoe/

According to Michael Pettis the political fight is between conventional politicians supporting status quo =bankers  and Nationalists proposing policies to help workers.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:56 | 5208533 Analyse2
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Like in Ferguson  ... ;-)

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:37 | 5207529 PSEUDOLOGOI
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Let them eat cake!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:58 | 5207645 Dr Strangemember
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I look forward to the day when liberals realize and start to feel the islamists pushback upon their ideals.... and to think, it was the liberals that supported their "integration" into American society.  

Hey all women out there, do you really support the muslim culture?

Hey all GLBTs out there, you looking forward to the day islam is the rule of the day?

Hey all freedom loving peoples out there, you looking forward to living under Sharia Law?  

Hey Americans, you like your bacon????

HEY WORLD, WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:52 | 5207958 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Not going to happen.  Liberals are NOT liberals for idealistic reasons.  It's more as a status signalling mechanism to identify themselves as different than the "wrong kind" of whites.

Liberal/Conservative is just an extension of the english civil war roundheads/caviliers which is itself an extension of a bunch of shit going back to the reformation.

Liberals don't give a shit about homos or what muslims do to women as long as they're doing it to YOU the non-self-identifing-elite-white/liberal.

Arguing with liberal elites and true-believers is pointless as they literally hate you and want you to die (because you're probably racist and deserve it).  BUT, if you ever find yourself in conversation with a fence sitter or a useful-idot type liberal explain to them how a liberal/conservative is decended from a yankee/rebel which decended from a roundhead/cavalier.  Implication being that the intellectual forefathers of liberaldom were starry-eyed, idealistic, witch-burning puritans. 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:28 | 5208137 crazytechnician
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Actually I think it was Let them eat brioche

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:39 | 5207531 hedgeless_horseman
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<---Libertarian hedgeless_horseman for President of the USA

<---Fascist Hillary Clinton for President of the USA

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:51 | 5207607 himaroid
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It would be nice if you would act like a fascist for the first week or two. You know, to clean up the old things.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:34 | 5208444 whotookmyalias
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Hedgeless, you brought me to this site.  For that, you've got my vote.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-10/paul-krugman-we%E2%80%99ll-only...

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:59 | 5207653 JRobby
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I'm on the Horse!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:00 | 5207654 NoDebt
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You've never falsely claimed to be shot at on an inbound flight to an unstable country.  You never falsely claimed to have invented the internet.  You've never falsely stated "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

So, sorry.  You wouldn't last a week.  Can't vote for you.  Wouldn't want to be "throwing away my vote".

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:12 | 5207744 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'd vote for Clitory, but that's not an Option.  So HH it is.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:54 | 5207978 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I'd vote for Clitory, but that's not an Option. 

You are telling me the Diebold machines are not completely honest? Never!!!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:28 | 5208140 crazytechnician
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Hitlery Clitnon is not an option ?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:38 | 5207539 RisingSun
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Well seems like French are getting tired of paying for all the immigrants and "bending over" to every muslim immigrant who have 0 interest in integrating into French society...

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:50 | 5207602 FreedomGuy
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I read that 50% of the babies born in France are Muslim. Given that their Muslims are generally hostile to the culture they have a huge problem coming. My prediction is that fascist ideologies will increase in popularity. Fascism is still fundamentally collectivist and statist but they allow a bit more freedom in their markets but are more serious and open about their autocracy. Given their historical association (not necessarily the ideology) with racism it is a natural as the angry Muslim population increases and makes ever more demands.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:54 | 5207616 Dr Strangemember
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They'll be deported back to the sand dunes.  As they cause more and more problems for the majority, this will happen... and I can't wait!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:00 | 5207677 JRobby
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Sounds like they are well past the point of no return like other "nations"

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:17 | 5207772 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Liberal Jews import muslims to "culturally enrich" the shit out of the white french -> muslims piss off everyone and attack jews -> jews flee for the international crime base of israel-> french whites wake up (seems like this is happeneing) -> french whites get nationalist into power -> only then dofrench whites kick out muslims.

It's a race between white racial identity and clown-car vaginas of bitchez in burkas.  It's not over yet.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:40 | 5207913 GooseShtepping Moron
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One can only hope. If Le Pen gets elected, I might just join the Foreign Legion and help her out.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:44 | 5207935 SAT 800
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They should have done it ten years ago. It's a perfect example of cooking a frog in water that only warms slowly; if you go there now and look around it's shocking; but they have accomodated. Back to the Cat Box Country they came from and let their fellow worshippers of peace and love kill them. It's no loss.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:43 | 5208204 Freddie
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What is the USA doing? Nothing.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:15 | 5208086 crazytechnician
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Nope , they will be pushed into the UK. And the UK govt. , as always will welcome them with open arms.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:59 | 5207640 RisingSun
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Brussels got the same problem 25% of population are muslim and 40-50% in highschools. I just dont get it, WHY? What do these people who let them in get out of it? "Loyal" voters in elections?

I mean no other religion got problem with other people in the West. Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews, Flying Spaghetti Monster etc can all co-exist, but somehow it is Muslims who need halal food in schools(everyone eats them, since too expensive to provide non and halal meat) and other demands also. If they needed work force to pay for their pensions, im sure people in Vietnam, Thailand or other Asian nations would be happy to live in the EU. 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:02 | 5207695 The Phallic Crusader
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Why did all these EU countries - France, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, etc. etc. - so the EU - allow such high non-euro immigration to begin with?

 

Most especially - why continue it when the economy is down and there's no real need for a laerge unskilled labor force?

 

I just don't get immigration policy there or in the US.  I think most immigrants contribute and intend to, but I don't see why temporary pauses in immigration is viewed as anything but a moderate and pragmatic use of state power to protect and defend workers/the economy and, sure, even cultural and ethnic identity if that is, in fact, important to the majority....

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:13 | 5207751 American Dreams
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One world government, no borders, and soon all the useless eaters fighting with one another because they wont know who else to blame for their problems.  Chaos defined.

Know your enemy

AD

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:25 | 5207822 Ghordius
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France, Belgium, Netherlands: from ex-colonies, as for the UK
Sweden: refugees

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:26 | 5207829 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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After Hitler said "enough is enough" to the Tribe and their shenanigans they vowed to never let some upity goyim cut shine light on them again. 

With the help of race-traitors like Ted Kennedy the tribe got  western world governments to completely change their imigration policies in the 1960s to purposely flood white countries with turd-worlders to mix whites out of existence.

Asian countries are for asians, african ones for africans but white ones are for everybody!  Now back to your tee-vee 'murica and workship your "spoats" idols, rap stars and singing clowns.  Then you will be too ashamed to object when your daughter starts dating some idiot in a bouncing car.

For some real laughs, compare and contrast what dual US-Israeli citizens have to say about imigration in each of their homelands.  You'll no doubt find the pluarility embracing vibrant multi-culturalism for America/EU/UK while defending the right of israel to keep a jewish identity.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 20:53 | 5209066 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Dude. You seriously need an Asian, Latina or Black girlfriend one of these days.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 18:13 | 5208610 FreedomGuy
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Agreed, P.Crusader. Immigration is for the benefit of the host country not the country from which they emmigrate. At any time when it does not appear to be for the benefit of the host country they can stop or delay their immigration policies and it is not immoral or even illiberal.

I would also note that the 9/11 attackers and many others were here on student visas, were educated and of course Muslim-Arab. So, to me, even importing an engineer or allowing another student visa comes with some risks. A rationalist would at least review the risks and rewards. The rewards are virtually zero so the risk is unwarranted.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:22 | 5207800 Gromit
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Because their demographics look like shit. Too many old people.

They need to import younger people and have workers to tax so that pension promises can be honored.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:33 | 5207883 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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That's just what neo-cohens tell their AARP voters.  Common sense shows the people they let in are a bigger drain than any measly SS revenue they provide when and if they do pay taxes.

Truth is that the elites know the western systems are fucked.  But they can either let it collapse in on itself and get lynched in the process or turn all these western countries into a bunch of Brazils full of mongrels with islands of gated communities for the chosen.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:19 | 5208099 Gromit
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An aging population creates a deteriorating spiral as the young and productive decide not to support their elders and emigrate.

Nations must either increase their birth rates (very difficult in practice) or encourage young workers to immigrate.

Yes this hurts the countries who lose their productive young workers but politics is national and competitive.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 18:16 | 5208621 Analyse2
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@FreedomGuy - "I read that 50% of the babies born in France are Muslim"

It is very exaggerated; See this list :

 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_pr%C3%A9noms_les_plus_donn%C3%A9s_en_France

 

Most common male name for newly borns in 2013 in France.

1 Nathan 2 Lucas 3 Léo 4 Enzo 5 Louis 6 Gabriel 7 Jules 8 Timéo 9 Hugo 10 Arthur 11 Ethan 12 Raphaël 13 Maël 14 Tom 15 Noah 16 Mathis 17 Théo 18 Adam 19 Nolan 20 Clément

Most common female name for newly borns in 2013 in France.

1 Emma 2 Lola 3 Chloé 4 Inès 5 Léa 6 Jade 7 Manon 8 Louise 9 Zoé 10 Lilou 11 Léna 12 Sarah 13 Camille 14 Maëlys 15 Lina 16 Éva 17 Louna 18 Clara 19 Alice 20 Romane

Most names are not at all muslim ...

 

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:00 | 5207663 JRobby
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Sounds familiar?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:16 | 5207769 Kirk2NCC1701
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Welcome aboard the ZH Train, RisingSun.  You'll meet some nice, open minded people -- as you can see by the Up-votes (compared to the tons of down-votes you got in the past).

Now.. where's the Restaurant Car again?  ;-)

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:48 | 5207953 RisingSun
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Well I dont have to agree with everything, I still dont agree with the majority on ZH when it comes to Russia/Ukraine. Thats probably because of my personal experience. Other than that I agree with majority of other topics on here.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:58 | 5207998 petkovplamen
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Show me the evidence of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Real evidence I mean. But then again, I'm STILL waiting for the fabled "weapons of mass distraction" Shrub Jr promised he knew exactly where they werre in Uraq.

The real question actually is why you still believe what USA says after ALL the lies USA/NATO have said in the last 20 years.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:14 | 5208071 RisingSun
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Look, I dont want to hijack this topic here. As I said, I am just basing my judgement on Russia on my personal experience & how channels like Russia Today likes to spread total lies about my country, Latvia. They just love to throw around words such as fascism/opression  when for example we changed our educational system for Russian schools to be in 60/40 Latvian/Russian language and how we have nazi marches when in reality we have a march on 16th March for war veterans who were fighting soviets in WW2, even Nuremberg trials said they were not involved in Nazi crimes, but that doesnt stop Kremlin TV channels to push their propoganda about us..etc..  If they do that with my country, they probably like to push Kremlin point of view also in Ukraine. Ukraine is NOT perfect either, but to say Russia got no involvemnt in that crisis in my opinion is incorrect, this Strelkov guy(Russian citizen) for example who was one of those who started/escalated the conflict in Eastern Ukraine, now lives again in Moscow and according to his words he is now "resting". That was not his only conflict, he was also involved in Georgia and other countries with pro-Kremlin agenda.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:38 | 5207540 MalteseFalcon
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So it's Sarkozy's turn again.  Then Hollande can come back.  Then .....Sarkozy!!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:18 | 5207781 Kirk2NCC1701
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And en garde, Lagarde!  You're next, GS biatch.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:38 | 5207541 Black Forest
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[Hollande] One word - guillotine?

No. European Commission. Something with economy, currency, or internet.

 

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:39 | 5207544 ebworthen
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Probably too late for the French to kick out all the Sharia Muslims, but if they don't Notre Dame will be a Mosque in 50 years.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:49 | 5207596 Dr Strangemember
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Just watch how Politically Correct it will become to DEPORT muslims once the rest of this world has had it with their bs and nonsense!  This will happen.  Just takes a bit more pushing from the muzlimz.  

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:00 | 5207652 Harbanger
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That's because Libs like to hand-out other peoples money, when they have to share with "others", then you see their true colors.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:20 | 5208105 crazytechnician
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Yeah , deported to the UK .

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:47 | 5207798 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'd vote for RAGNAR LOTHBROK of the VIKING Party before that happens. 

Vengeance = Rite of the Blood Eagle.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:33 | 5207878 agent default
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You assume that they will be politely asked to leave.  This is not the case.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:41 | 5207548 JustObserving
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Marine Le Pen blamed the EU for the trouble in Ukraine:

The Ukrainian crisis is all the fault of the European Union, the leader of France’s National Front party Marine Le Pen told Le Monde newspaper.

Le Pen told the paper, that EU leaders’ negotiation of a trade deal with Ukraine forced the country to choose between Europe and Russia.

National Front’s leader also said she has admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin, as he suggests a patriotic economic model, unlike what the United States imposes on Europe.

The Ukraine–EU Association Agreement is the treaty between the two countries, that presupposes political and economic association between the parties.

Russia has repeatedly expressed deep concern over Ukraine’s signing of the agreement with the EU, saying it would be forced to protect its market once it faces an uncontrolled flow of duty-free goods from the EU.

http://www.dailyslave.com/marine-le-pen-blames-european-union-for-crisis...

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:36 | 5207894 disabledvet
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It is a little weird that the only support left for the EU is in Ukraine.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:40 | 5207550 Smiley
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"I have sampled every language, French is my favorite. Fantastic language. Especially to curse with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculer ta mère. It's like wiping your arse with silk. I love it."

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:42 | 5207561 thatthingcanfly
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"I know Kung Fu."

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:04 | 5208032 detached.amusement
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cripes...another movie franchise that should have stopped after #1.  2 and 3 were patheeeeetic...went from well told story to freakin comic book

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:42 | 5207551 thatthingcanfly
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I hate how they characterize as "far right" someone whose beliefs, a mere 30 years ago, would be considered bland mainstream conservative.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:43 | 5207569 kowalli
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far right is more good than else

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:53 | 5207614 Harbanger
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Far right in Europe is still left of center, the L-R difference is level of Nationalism, not the level of Socialism.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:01 | 5207674 kowalli
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it's still how you think about it. Politicians divided into - good for country and bad for country. This party's and programs are changing in times...

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:52 | 5207608 Dr Strangemember
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Just another fear tactic from the left/commies/democrats/californians.  

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:36 | 5207895 agent default
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What ever the Left doesn't like is called Fascist/Far Right/Extremist.  Especially if you shoot down their arguments one by one.  Then you are an outright Far Right wing extremist.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:12 | 5207748 Dull Care
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Funny how there is never a reference to far left even though most of the so called center-left could pass for Marxist Leninists.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:42 | 5207559 kowalli
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wait to new round of sanctions...i think 13% is still to many

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:44 | 5207570 edifice
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What is far-right in France? A Clinton-esque leader? I keed, I keed...

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:34 | 5207571 rwe2late
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LaPen:

against NATO, "baby-killers" she says

against EU "austerity"

for reducing legal immigration given unemployment rate & assimilation problems

supports Putin's efforts to resolve Ukraine problem

 

Illegal Libyan invasion & NATO baby-killers

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=marine+laPen+NATO&ei=UTF-8&fr=chrf-yff21

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:45 | 5207574 Blazed
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Excellent, just hope she is like her father and doesn't sellout.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:22 | 5207797 Zero Govt
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you sellout on entry into politics ..not on the way up the slippery pole, long gone by then

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:47 | 5207580 jubber
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So CAC futures are up on this news, IBEX is up on massive protests in Spain, DAX up on new Russian sanctions and FTSE up on Scotland ...and I guess FTSEMIB is up because it is bankrupt?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:48 | 5207589 Peak Finance
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Uh oh!!! Trouble brewing in France!!!

Time for a false flag by a "Neo-Nazi" against some "nice chosen people" or "friendly islanists" and blame it on FN!! 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:50 | 5207595 himaroid
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GI O TINE!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:52 | 5207613 CHX
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The French version of "Hope and Change" ?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:19 | 5207773 Zero Govt
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the French version of civil war more like

far right loon in Presidential seat versus far left loonies Parliament... let them eat/beat each others eyes out

this is gonna be fun, fun, fun to watch ...popcorn order please 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:55 | 5207623 ekm1
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Silencers on sniper rifles already installed.

Let the shooting begin

 

Shark against shark, elite against elite, oligarch against oligarch

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 23:16 | 5209472 MrSteve
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point of real world physics: you can not silence a rifle whose bullets travel faster than sound because the sound barrier is broken in front of the muzzle and that makes a loud noise.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:58 | 5207626 Dr. Engali
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Why is it that the headlines never start with "The Far Left"? Don't bother answering, it's just a rhetorical question.

Loss of support of socialist voters? WTF? They're all practically communists.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:13 | 5207753 NoDebt
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It's to make it sound like it's out of the mainstream.  

"President Barack Obama" sounds like he's some normal guy that most Americans would relate to.

"Far Left President Barack Obama", well, you see the difference.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 14:56 | 5207633 falconflight
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Agitprop is the same there as here.  If you don't want millions of alien, unassimilable 3rd worlders, you're "far right."

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:05 | 5207651 The Phallic Crusader
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How come National Front and Le Pen is freely and usually described as "far right" but Likud or Shas in Israel - the whackos who actually do run their govt. - are not?

 

I'm not being glib - I'm really asking...

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:19 | 5207771 NoDebt
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If you put "far right" on something it's code you are supposed to interpret as "This person and their ideas are well outside the mainstream.  Whack-o.  Please ridicule or at least ignore."  If there is no pre-pended descriptor that's code you are supposed to read as "this person is normal and in the mainstream so you should trust them.  They're jsut like you."

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:01 | 5207682 JulienFR
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She is anti NATO / Euro / EU 

She is pro Russia

 

If she can avoid to bring france in the war with BRICS... 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:10 | 5207733 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Oy vey it's anodda shoah!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:12 | 5207747 LetsGetPhysical
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Please define "far right" for me??? I'm seriously confused over the current meme of far right as it pertains to Le Pen. Far right is anybody who believes in national sovereignty? Way to keep spreading the misinformation ZH. 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:55 | 5207979 Loucleve
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ZH did not write the article imbecile.

Anyone who is anti 3 world immigration, anti globalist, and pro national sovereignty is labelled FAR RIGHT by the libtard media and the powers that be.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:01 | 5208019 estebanDido
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Far right is anybody that creates a system just for the .01%

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:20 | 5207783 unirealist
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If these numbers are accurate, the global status quo is in big trouble. Look at Greece -- 95% dissatisfied! How it is possible to have 95% of the population unhappy, without an immediate revolution?

World leaders are sitting on top of a powder keg called Planet Earth.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:20 | 5207788 Spungo
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They should literally tar and feather Hollande.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:27 | 5207830 Peter Pan
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+1. That should complement the bird brain he possesses.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:12 | 5208073 andrewp111
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The French have been known to riot (they love to riot), block traffic, burn things, ignite tires, and chop off heads via guillotine. but tar and feathers is an American thing.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:33 | 5207872 Itchy and Scratchy
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Sacre Bleu!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:32 | 5207875 tradingdaze
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Where the hell is Canada on the list. We have farging Senegal and Tanzania but no Canada.

Of course most of the Canadian people don't bother anyway, so who cares.

Senegal?

 

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:33 | 5207876 honestann
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guillotine

Yes indeed, in every fictitious nation on earth.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:34 | 5207877 Itchy and Scratchy
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Parissienne MILF!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:40 | 5207909 adonisdemilo
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Go to it Marine le Pen.

Drive some nails into the coffin that is waiting for the European nightmare, Close the borders and chuck out everybody not born in France who hasn't got a job.

That'll give Cameron appoplexy and Clegg will hopefully crawl back to Europe to explain how it all went wrong, at the same time asking why his Euro pension isn't being paid any more.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:23 | 5208123 crazytechnician
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Won't Cameron & Clegg just open the UK ports and borders even wider , they will let them all into the UK in exchange for votes.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:54 | 5207977 estebanDido
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It's sickening to call this guy a socialist, he is an antisocialist or better yet a scum bag. 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:25 | 5208125 crazytechnician
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So you are saying that socialists are not scumbags ? WTF ?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:04 | 5208036 JR
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One would think the prevailing culture would be surprised that such an "extreme" could get the most votes; proving that the prevailing culture registering the complaint is not the prevailing culture, i.e., the so-called prevalling culture is not the mainstream, is not the center of the left-right spectrum.

Communists always pretend that they are the popular one; that they are the people. And that the people on the right are the extreme minority, the nut cases, the fascists, the Ku Klux Klan, the Hitlers, the skin heads, the (dare we say it?), the “nationalists.”

If Le Pen’s ahead in the polling data, then she’s not far-right; she’s in the middle; it turns out there are more people for her than on the other points of the compass.

Conclusion; It time to stop saying LePen is far-right. The Poll itself proves she’s centrist to what the people want.

 “It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.” – George Orwell, 1984

More Orwellian proof that “Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing

Here’s Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, on “Far-right politics.” It begins:

Far-right politics or extreme-right politics are right-wing politics to the right of the mainstream centre right on the traditional left-right spectrum. They often involve a focus on tradition as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. They tend to include disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social inequality and social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism. The terms are commonly used to describe fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[1] Some far-right movements, such as the Nazis, have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority or their alleged threat to the nation or state.[2]

Definition and terminology

Far-right politics commonly includes authoritarianism, anti-communism, and nativism.[3] Often, the term "far right" is applied to fascists and neo-Nazis,[4][5][6][7][8] and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far-right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and — in the case of Nazismgenocide of people deemed to be inferior.[9] Claims that superior people should proportionally have greater rights than inferior people are sometimes associated with the far right.[10] The far right has historically favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.[11] Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.[12] Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and migration), one far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic, racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of one’s own group should be prioritised.[13]

The first of pictures in its Far-Right Gallery is:

“Supporters of the historic Russian far-right monarchist and antisemitic ultranationalist Black Hundreds movement marching in 1905.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

Wiki has a problem...

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:50 | 5208499 rwe2late
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 The Wiki definition is more or less accurate for accepted parlance,

and thus it can show how the MSM is attempting to discredit LaPen by false labeling.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 06:52 | 5209888 stilletto
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Wiki is talking rubbish this time, as do most 'liberal' commentators. Nazis were 'The National Socialist Party'. They practiced state control and state direction. So according to Wiki Socialist parties are 'Far right'. That puts the democrats on the right and the republicans on the left. Talk about 'newspeak'! How about defining Right wing as libertarian (individual is soverign) and left wing as socialist (state is soverign and individual subjugated), and then allocate tags.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 10:19 | 5210404 rwe2late
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 Uncritically accepting the popularity-seeking labels assumed by political parties or leaders is a mistake.
The Democrat party supports neither socialism (as you assume) nor democracy.
Obama is not a socialist, nor can it be accurately said does he believe in democracy.
Neither did Hitler. Neither does Hollande.

The NAZI, national socialist party, wanted to portray itself as a pro-worker party, though it  in fact supported private ownership under totalitarian rule ( a form of corporatism).

Anarchism (no government control) is one end of a political spectrum, as opposed to totalitarianism (total government control).

Those who reject total anarchism and hence by definition accept some degree of state sovereignty can be categorized as to the type of government they support.

Neither a "socialist" ( meaning politically both giving priority to workers and public ownership of the means of production) nor a "capitalist"(typically giving both priority to business and private ownership) requires also being a supporter of a totalitarian government.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:09 | 5208054 andrewp111
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Hollande is really lucky that his term lasts 2 1/2 more years, and the French don't have midterms like the USA does. The French are notoriously fickle, and he has enough time to gin something up.

And besides, is le Pen really mightier than la Sword? (I couldn't help it.)

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:09 | 5208055 Playtime's Over
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The media controls the meme and interprets data for you because they wouldn't want you to get the impression a dangerous "nationalist" candidate like Le Pen was centrist, mainstream or anything inside the cozy home of "acceptable" politicians. It's just a normal operating conditions in Europe and the United States.  After 6 years of Barack Ogolfer we still haven't heard a darkened work about his past from the mainstreamers. I've watched newscasts from Europe and it's just a bad and maybe worse.  They are a little further along in their decline. I really don't pay much attention to it ignoring the cat calls and lefty interpretations.  Just try to get to the bottom of what is being said, sometimes you need to fact check and find other sources covering the same events or story.

 

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:11 | 5208069 kchrisc
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Just what the fascist banksters ordered.

Install a far-left socialist for the people to blame the collapse on and then have the people jump from that fryer into the fire of the right.

Same thing that they are doing in the DC US with Obama. Except in the DC US it will be into the fire of the neo-con and evangelical Christian right.

 

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

                                                                                   Usually attributed to Sinclair Lewis

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:13 | 5208078 Playtime's Over
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And the internet has changed things drastically.  It's just a matter of time before REAL patriotic interests buy out a major lying POS media outlet. Fox is doing better than the other pathetic lib bootlickers because they offer some conservative and moderate voices.  Someday there will appear a real bona fide conservative kid on the block. 

       Either that or journalists will be imprisoned and water boarded on TV for sport one day after the great revolution.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:27 | 5208404 the wet spot
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You lost me at 'I trust Rupert Murdoch'. Turn off your television.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:31 | 5208413 DerAdler
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If you really think that FauxNews is any different, you have a long way to go in your education. The "left" in America are the shock troops, the "right" are the consolidation units which hold the ground taken by the "left." The truth is that there are only a handful of real conservatives/traditionalists in America and none of them have any voice, much less any power. Yet.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:39 | 5208193 Amish Hacker
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Sounds like Hollande's government is running out of other people's money. That was fast, considering all the campaign promises of just two years ago.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:57 | 5208268 crazybob369
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It appears that at least some of the world is waking up to the realization that large, centrally governed states do not work. Heck, our founders knew that, and put provisions in the Constitution to protect against that eventuality. They failed. Perhaps after Spain and Britain fragment, the Republic of Texas, nation of Hawaii, Alaskan territory, etc., will once again come to be. Doubt it; but one can dream.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:57 | 5208271 zipit
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France!  Haha, that's a good one!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:22 | 5208387 DerAdler
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"Far Right" say the commie rat bastards who have run the world into the ground. "Far Right" to these blighters is anything right of Comrade Stalin or Trotsky. God, I hate these people.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:41 | 5208467 pashley1411
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"Far Right"  sweet jesus, would ZH, at least, stop with the MSM headlines?        

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 19:20 | 5208821 stilletto
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Given that the National Front have a Far Left, strong socialist state control and anti free trade economic policy, why do the media call them far right? Oh i see. Far right stigmatises them in the small brains of the 'liberals', when to be honest and call them far left would mean the liberals couldn't hate them. Calling for strong controls on immigration isnt far right! The far left can be anti-immigrant as well. And there's nothing wrong with wanting control of your borders to stabilise your economy.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 20:04 | 5208924 Fiat Envy
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She doesn't have a single policy that could be described as near right let alone far right.

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