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Majority Of Chinese Say War With Japan Is Just A Matter Of Time

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When it comes to current geopolitics, one has to stretch their memory to recall a time when there were more overt and not so overt conflicts, humanitarian interventions, drone bombings and proxy or outright civil, and/or otherwise, wars.

 

But even the escalating cold war (as in European winter cold) between Russia and the west will pale by comparison to what may happen in the far east, if the pent up for generations tensions between China and Japan, which have historically hardly been in a state of "amicable relations", finally spill over into an all out war. Which, incidentally, is precisely what a majority, or 53% of Chinese respondents, and some 29% of their Japanese peers, expect will happen in the coming years.

As the FT reports, the Genron/China Daily survey poll found that "38 per cent of Japanese think war will be avoided, but that marked a nine point drop from 2013. It also found that a record 93 per cent of Japanese have an unfavourable view of their Chinese neighbours, while the number of Chinese who view Japanese unfavourably fell 6 points to 87 per cent."

It is almost as if all that fake pleasantry and courtesy over the past several decades between the two feuding nations was merely to facilitate globalized trade. Trade, which in the new normal is no longer relevant since central banks can just print prosperity in lieu of actual commerce, and which means that the people's underlying feelings can finally bubble to the surface. 

And what's making things worse is that over the past year, both government have made nationalistic sentiment a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy (something which a depressionary Europe is quite familiar with):

Jeff Kingston, a Japan expert at Temple University in Philadelphia, said Japanese tabloid media were driving the already negative sentiment towards China by focusing on its “warmongering”. He added that the government was “amplifying the anxiety” by talking about the threat from China.

 

The poll was released ahead of the second anniversary of Japan’s move to nationalise some of the contested Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea.

Ironically, one of the biggest contributions of Abenomics to Japan's economy may be a massive GDP boost... through war:

Sino-Japanese relations started to improve about a year ago, spurring Tokyo to start laying the groundwork for a possible first meeting between Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Chinese President Xi Jinping. But ties deteriorated rapidly again after Mr Abe’s visit in December to Yasukuni, a controversial shrine dedicated to Japan’s war dead including a handful of convicted war criminals.

 

Mr Abe wants to hold a summit with Mr Xi in November on the sidelines of an Apec summit in Beijing but China has shown no sign of interest. Critics say Mr Abe has hurt efforts to repair ties by visiting Yasukuni and also because of the perception that he is an unrepentant ultranationalist.

 

This week two members of Mr Abe’s ruling Liberal Democratic party, including a new cabinet minister, were forced to distance themselves from photographs that showed them posing with the leader of a Japanese neo-Nazi party.

 

“He just replaced the rightwing loonies [in his cabinet] with another group of rightwing loonies,” said Mr Kingston.

As if the world needed more evidence of the intellectual capacity of the people bringing you Abenomics every day. That said, with loonies running the show, something tells us those 53% of Chinese respondents expecting war in the near and not-so-near future, will be 100% right.

 

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Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:22 | 5207804 Gringo Viejo
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Can you imagine the payback factor in that one? Whoa!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:31 | 5207858 Dr Strangemember
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Tiawan would be the winner after those two knock each other out!  Oh, and the US could supply both sides with arms!!!!!  So we all win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:49 | 5207950 WayBehind
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Japs will kill us all. Its already in progress.  Its called FUCKUSHIMA

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:06 | 5208041 photonsoflight
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Yeah, and G.E.supplied the plans.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:06 | 5208313 darteaus
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WB:  Why did you tuck cash into Justin Bieber's thong?

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 06:00 | 5209856 tonyw
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Dunno about Taiwan being a winner but for sure i think the US will supply Japan with arms they just have to get the Japanese constitution changed to allow them to re-arm.

Of course a re-arming Japan will force an escalation with China.

If we are fortunate Japan will tell the US to get lost and stop meddling in their affairs but the fifth column has an incentive to make money and allow destruction to take place.

It is very clear that the US is conducting a world-wide campaign to destabilize Russia in order to halt a Russia-China-BRIC order and the end of reserve currency status.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:43 | 5207933 PrayingMantis
Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:53 | 5207969 dontgoforit
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Man's inhuman treatment of man.  Mind blowing.  What on this earth is worth this?  Nothing.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:10 | 5207993 Gringo Viejo
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+10 Mantis. Would also point out Iris Chang commited suicide from the untreated depression she incurred in researching her book.

In modern history, there has never been such an example of incomprehensible atrocity. Never.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:47 | 5208218 Darth Sidious
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really?

there have been plenty of others just as bad

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:11 | 5208344 Gringo Viejo
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Not even close.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 18:33 | 5208657 darteaus
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Rwanda would be comprable or worse-depending on how one measures atrocity.

Cambodia would be close, IMHO.

http://www.yale.edu/cgp/img.html

http://cgp.research.yale.edu/cgp/cts/cts_slideshow.jsp

Chang's book had a very big impact on me.  May she rest in peace.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:44 | 5209400 Leraconteur
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First they Killed my Father - Loung Ung.

Not a popular opinion but I think her parents were idiots and missed the clues. Reading the story, there are many points before the KR showed up where I would have read the signs, and taken my family anywhere else. He was a Police Officer, and heard the reports, but normalacy bias blinded him. This was the 1970's - everyone knew of WW2 by then and what happened, so this behaviour was not new.

I read that book, thought : "This is where you leave. And here. And here...and here."

When they did not leave, thought : "This where you are tortured and die. Oh well."

I worked with a used car salesman who was recruited by force into the KR to fight. You either died from war, from starvation, or if you won, the KR killed you any ways. You were going to die, there was no way out. So he strapped himself to a flotilla of logs and bodies and floated down the Mekong into Vietnam and then to safety. Changed his name to the HK Stock Exchange, with a slight variation - Pang Seng.

Good salesman, great with the ladies, and still had a conscience when he used to lie to the women to bed them (which he used to share with me).

Not only a song lyric, completely accurate and true;

Well you'll work harder

With a gun in your back

For a bowl of rice a day

Slave for soldiers

Till you starve

Then your head is skewered on a stake 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:33 | 5209367 Leraconteur
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You are wrong and need to read more. The ones as bad resulted in no survivors to tell the tale. China had enough people to survive. Other cultures were just wiped out.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:08 | 5208329 darteaus
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BTW, the hero of that disgusting episode of human history, was a Nazi.

He led the delegation to keep the Japanese from butchering the thousands of Chinese seeking refuge on the grounds of the Western embassies/legations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:51 | 5207965 Not Too Important
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Japan is dying from self-inflicted radiation contamination, and the inability to keep up a steady supply of energy.

The Chinese are just sitting there, watching it happen in real time.

Japan isn't worth a single bullet. They're already dead men walking.

There are many indications Fukushima has already been abandoned, which would mean the other two reactors will blow in a few months.

If China was smart, they would set up giant fans to keep that shit from blowing West.

In a few years Japan will be uninhabitable for any living creature.

Why would China go to war with Japan? There are lots of other opportunites for testing new weapons and troop combat skills, but Japan isn't one of them.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:05 | 5209291 Tompooz
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Giant fans?  They could also go in there and hone their post-nuclear survival skills.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:54 | 5207976 Kirk2NCC1701
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Everybody was Kung Fu fighting...

Why not just settle it with two fighters:  K'ung Fu vs. Karate or Kung Fu vs. Ninja/Samurai

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:09 | 5208059 photonsoflight
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Shouldn't the leaders step into the ring while the rest of us watch, instead of the other way around?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:33 | 5208156 thunderchief
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There is no way Japan could withstand a war with China..

At some point they have to acquire a large number of nuclear weapons and tell China they will destroy all there major cities if they go too far.

The Chinese population is as obtuse as the USA's, they are fed censored propaganda and kept in the dark at gun point.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:54 | 5208519 BandGap
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Japan could hold out for weeks, if not months. They have better equipment and training. They only have to hold out long enough for the cavalry to arrive.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 21:10 | 5209118 johnmack
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lol japan, japan is a nation of wussies 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:32 | 5209360 Freddie
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Go search SINO-Vietnam War on youtube.  This occurred around Pol Pot post USA involvment in Vietnam.

Vietnam, to their credit, invaded Cambodia to take out murdering psychopath Pol Pot.   China was not happy about this and invaded Vietnam.

Vietnam only had their milita at that point because most of their forces were in Cambodia.  They kicked China's ass.

I am no friends of China or Japan.  What Japan did pre-WW2 and during WW2 was pretty awful.   The Chinese are not unbeatable.   If China has Syria's back, which they do with Russia, then kudos to China.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:30 | 5209355 Leraconteur
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14 days I think. 

Realistically what would happen is that a few thousand ships would sail from Shanghai to southern Japan, fishing boats, everything, and inside would be the PLA.

The problem with destroying major Chinese cities is that there are a thousand of them.

And of course China has 3,000 nukes not 300, And China has 1,400 million people and Japan has 140 millon.

China has to wait until the next loser weaker than Obama (is that possible) is POTUS, and roll in. Will the USA risk being nuked to save Japan? My bet is no, and that's the gamble China will make.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:25 | 5207811 Coletrane
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Everywhere you look, people are talking about war.

 

 

Will the American Spring happen before or after Omama's impeachment ?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:31 | 5207857 yogibear
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Worked with a group of Chinese. The hatred of the Japanese is obvious. All it needs is a spark to ignite this roaring fire.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:58 | 5207999 dontgoforit
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I've been over there.  They haven't forgotten Claire Chennault and the Flying Tigers and how they decimated the Japanese near Burma.  As a occidental in the orient, I stood out in those days.  I made many friends.  Like us, the Chinese haven't forgotten how America used to be.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:09 | 5208062 Not Too Important
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And their leaders haven't forgotten the Opium Wars, or the stolen gold.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:26 | 5208131 dontgoforit
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I believe that had to do with the Brits.  I found Americans were very well admired when I was there in the '90's.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 19:12 | 5208801 caustixoid
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That was before the Belgrade embassy bombing, the spy plane crash that killed their fighter pilot, the amazingly well-organized Tibetans protesting the olympic torch and the constant war-gaming at the pentagon with china as the ultimate enemy.  But yeah, other than that they love us.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:42 | 5207932 10mm
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Impeachment. That's funny.

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:03 | 5208028 22winmag
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Impeachment makes Shotgun Joe Biden Prez in an instant.

 

Not cool.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:09 | 5208065 Not Too Important
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Shitgum Joe Biden.

Sounds fitting.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:11 | 5208067 photonsoflight
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Could he really be any worse?

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:09 | 5208332 AgeOfJefferson
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YES.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:24 | 5207814 kowalli
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it will coming very fast

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:26 | 5207825 The Phallic Crusader
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no good reason for Japan and China to fight.

 

Plenty of bad ones though.

 

If peace looks like it might break out, I'm sure the US will launch new, bigger, defensive exercises 100 miles from China's shores, though.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:26 | 5207826 frankTHE COIN
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They still have resentment from WWll. I guess Calgon can't take everything away.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:26 | 5207828 himaroid
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Fuck yeah! With all the foreigners fighting each other and oBUMMER weasel fucker fighting the world, this American Honky might get some peace and quiet this weekend.

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:00 | 5208009 dontgoforit
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There's still resentment in the south over the War Between the States - about 650,000 lives lost in that one.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:04 | 5208034 himaroid
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Looking forward to the second half.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:27 | 5208135 dontgoforit
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If held today, I do believe my southern brethern would win this time.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 18:08 | 5208586 den1313
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I agree. Let the Yankees keep all their socialism and the debt that goes with it.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:29 | 5207831 El Vaquero
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It takes two to tango, but unfortunately with the dance of war, you cannot decline when asked.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:28 | 5207837 jubber
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As Russia and China are now best buddies why not a simultaneous joint invasion and smash these Dolphin bashers once and for all?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:28 | 5207842 yogibear
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Oh, the hatred the Chinese have for the crimes to humanity the Japanese imposed on China in WWII.

The Japan treated the Chinese worse then animals during WWII. How can China forget? The elders lectured the generations about the Japanese crimes.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:33 | 5207871 Dr Strangemember
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They weren't the only ones lectured about the Japanese... my grandfather was a Marine in the Pacific during WW2... they didn't treat our POW boys much better than they did the Chinese.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:11 | 5207988 Not Too Important
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It's like two families fighting over who gets to live inside the Chernobyl reactor. No one is that stupid.

You leave the dying family inside there, and look for someplace safe to raise your family. Not in an exploded nuclear reactor zone.

And Japan is like 20-30+ Chernobyl's now, and getting worse by the minute.

No modern army fights over contaminated wasteland.

And the Chinese would never let the Japanese die with honor. Oh, no. No holy Samurai shit going to happen there.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:30 | 5207860 kowalli
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it's not about Japan and CHina. It's about USA and China. Japan is a tool and ram

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:27 | 5208134 seek
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Yeah, I think it's being overlooked that the US has a pretty iron-clad commitment to protecting Japan, one not even O could weasel out of. Within ~72 hours of attack on Japan by China the US would likely be fully committed. Thing would get messy fast.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:32 | 5207868 krispkritter
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That would be over quickly.  Couple of good bomb hits on Fukushima and kiss that island home goodbye...

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:17 | 5208092 Bastiat
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Kiss more than that goodbye.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:32 | 5207874 reader2010
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Since when the majority of indoctrinated people are right on anything? 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:34 | 5207882 The Phallic Crusader
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There are none more hopelessly indoctrinated than those who think they are not.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:33 | 5207880 IronShield
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So easy to talk about, such a high price to pay.  When will they ever learn?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:35 | 5207885 Eastwood
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Confucius say, Abe dig a fiscal hole, Abe create GDP dollars.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:37 | 5207898 Itchy and Scratchy
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Sum Ting Wong!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:49 | 5207955 crazybob369
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Japanese military still severely curtailed by the WWII surrender agreement. So, how exactly are the Japanese going to wage war on a country with over a billion people, not to mention a substantial nuclear arsenal? Unless they expect the U.S. to come to..... Oh shit, just answered my own question. We're fucked!!!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:57 | 5208543 BandGap
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Japan has amended their constitution and allowed for re-arming it's military for offensive capabilities. This has been going on for 2-3 years.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 19:16 | 5208813 caustixoid
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I think it was former FM Ozawa that let slip that Japan could have 200 nukes within 24 hours i.e. 'we have a shitload of plutonium'.   Ever wonder why those tectonically-active islands are covered with nuclear power plants? 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:11 | 5209305 Leraconteur
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Yes. The only reason a nation has nuclear power is to hole card nuclear weapons just in case.

This quaint notion of law and treaty - I should read more on this outdated concept.

Anyone think Japan will obey the law when China comes around?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 15:55 | 5207984 Itchy and Scratchy
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Ho Lee Phuk!

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:01 | 5208011 kchrisc
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No war with China.

Japan, after being sucked dry by the Rothschild banksters under Keynesian cover, will see their DC US military patron collapse. Japan will then become an autonomous district of China.

I.e. Bankrupt and without a viable military they will have no choice.

An American, not US subject.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:08 | 5208051 ebworthen
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I still say if push comes to shove China will just nuke the Hawaiian islands and say:  "Everything West of this pile of ash is ours."

Australia included.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:12 | 5208072 22winmag
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Chinese foot soliders are easily defeated. Just boobytrap the side of the road where they tend to shit.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:22 | 5208114 alexcojones
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Japs need to dump Abe.

Hire and pay well huge numbers of Chinese techies to clean up TepCo Fuki mess.

Build bridges or Die.

Exactly what USA should be doing but we have OBama-San, the black Abe.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:28 | 5208144 SmittyinLA
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Gee who owns/dominates Japanese tabloid media? 

Would it be the same warmongering tribe that dominates the media in every other nation on the planet?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:30 | 5208153 numapepi
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The one child policy has so warped the demographics of China they must do something to realign the ratio of men to women. War is very effective at that. With the side effect of adding territory to the empire.

If Japan and China do go to war... God forbid, Taiwan, the Phillipines, Vietnam, India and Nepal are in BIG trouble. The Chinese empire will be on the march. With millions of expendable, horny, angry boys, with no possibility of ever getting a wife unless they capture some, leading the charge.

One has to ask oneself... was that the reason for the one child policy all along?

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:02 | 5209274 yellowsub
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They relaxed the one child policy earlier this year so by your reasoning they're definitely gearing up for war.

The one child policy like everything that is law is just a form of control for the masses...

 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:41 | 5208198 Ghostdog
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The reality is, Abe may be thinking.. Hmm.. Wiping out half my people would be great for my economy....

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 16:49 | 5208238 teslaberry
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if the u.s. cia is smart---they will stop worrying about committing flase flags in europe and on u.s. soil and start instigating war between china and japan. 

 

divide and conquer, and when that doesn't work, divide and mutually assured destruction of other countries other than your own. 

 

japan is the great kamikaze nation of our world. and they're not in NATO!!!! so if the chinese fuck wit japan, we can just chill out in okinawa and do NOTHING. 

 

which is precisely why china's attitude towards japan, is the same of russia to europe; containment and delay, while they push the economic intestines of the u.s. further into the body cavity with their big chinese dicks. 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:15 | 5208357 MeBizarro
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One thing that has remained strong and Abe has gotten real pushback again from is the increasing military spending in Japan's budget.  Young people in Japan are hard as hell to engage but there has been a real revival of the peace movement there by people under 30 because most of its key leaders are had their heyday in the 60s. 

Contrast that to the US where most people either 1. Don't give a $hit because nothing the US military does directly effects them or people in their immediate family 2. There is a strong and engrained culture here of bomb, bomb, and bomb again and whatever hangover Americans had from the Vietnam war about any large-scale military conflict is long gone and it is even fading a bit too regarding the recent Iraq/Afghan wars as long as US soldiers aren't directly committed.  

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 17:46 | 5208487 BrokusDickusMaximus
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The Japanese are sitting on an assload of Plutonium. They are very adept at making hi-tech shit. As I recall I don't believe Isreal told anyone they were making things that go boom from the stuff from Dimona.

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:21 | 5209330 Leraconteur
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Confirmed. Average Chinese talk about this openly, all ages.

This is inevitable.

Part of this is constant propaganda in all media.

Imagine if you had only 50 cable TV channels, and that at any given hour of the day or night, that 3 to 5 had constant anti-German films on. Not documentaries - dramas where you were the good guys fighting the evil Germans.

This is Chinese mainland TV.

The bad part is that if you pulled the propaganda, all the elders who remembered it would still indoctrinate the youngsters. This is a Chinese culture problem, and it's not from the 19th or 20th Centuries. They hold grudges for thousands of years - literally.

China thinks of Japan as IS thinks of Infidels - they want them gone, off this planet, removed. Lacking that, total subjugation to China is preferred.

China is so messed in the head that they could glassify Japan, Japan could retaliate with 100 nukes, and China would just force everyone to live in the radiation as they now force everyone to live with bad air and bad water.

Once Japan falls, Taiwan is toast, Philippines, SE Asia, Singapore, and all areas on old maps of China will be reclaimed. Putin knows this, and is trying to keep China in check with treaties so that they don't immediately re-take Siberia.

America? Americans will finally tell the USA military to stop, and this time they will mean it. No one in the USA will die for Japan.

Timing is everything, USA must be weaker.

Never think for a second that just because someone is polite, and smiling, that they are not an asshole.

A warning for you in the rest of the world who shall have to deal with the Chinese soon.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 01:04 | 5209653 teslaberry
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napolean said as have others. even kissinger. 

 

there is no force on earth rising like the force of china. they have everything necessary to pull it off. 

 

and frankly if they are going to have kickback on the japanese-----who are we to tell china not to take revenge on the japs for ww2. hell, the u.s. almost nuked china. 

 

our role in the west is like the byzantines----TO PRESERVE BY CONTAINMENT AND TO OUTLAST THE ONGOING EPOCH OF CHAOS. 

THE AGE OF RAPID CONQUEST HAS BEEN LONG GONE, BUT MIGHT REKINDLE. IF IT DOES, WE SHALL OUTLAST IT. THANK YOU LORD GOD FOR NUCLEAR WEAPONS. 

Thu, 09/11/2014 - 22:55 | 5209423 HolyfieldsOtherEar
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The Japanese have no idea how much hatred is orchestrated against them in China and Korea. Somewhere in the outskirts of Shanghai, I think it is, there is a theme park where families can shoot mechanical Japanese soldiers. The mechanical dummies are never identified as Japanese soldiers but the uniforms look the same and they speak gibberish (recorded messages) that sound like Japanese. The Chinese are taught to hate the Japanese. Meanwhile the coont who murdered 60 million Chinese, Mao Zedong, is on every banknote in the country.

Japan better tool up. China's collapse is not far off but it will probably try to forestall the collapse with a military adventure.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 08:09 | 5209947 Fudomyo
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