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Russia Warns Obama's "Two-Faced" Strategy In Syria Will Lead To "Huge Escalation In Middle East & Africa"
If the West bombs Islamic State militants in Syria without consulting Damascus, LiveLeak reports that the anti-ISIS alliance may use the occasion to launch airstrikes against President Bashar Assad’s forces, according to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. Clearly comprehending that Obama's new strategy against ISIS in Syria is all about pushing the Qatar pipeline through (as was the impetus behind the 2013 intervention push), Russia is pushing back noting that the it is using ISIS as a pretext for bombing Syrian government forces and warning that "such a development would lead to a huge escalation of conflict in the Middle East and North Africa."
“There are reasons to suspect that air strikes on Syrian territory may target not only areas controlled by Islamic State militants, but the government troops may also be attacked on the quiet to weaken the positions of Bashar Assad’s army,” Lavrov said Tuesday. Such a development would lead to a huge escalation of conflict in the Middle East and North Africa, Lavrov told reporters in Moscow after a meeting with the foreign minister of Mali.
Moscow is urging the West to respect international law and undertake such acts only with the approval of the legitimate government of a state, Lavrov said.
“Not a single country should have its own plans on such issues. There can be only combined, collective, univocal actions. Only this way can a result be achieved,” he said.
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Russia has long warned its western partners about the threat posed by Islamic State, al-Qaeda and other groups that later merged into the Islamic Front, Lavrov said.
“We have repeatedly suggested to the US, the EU and leading European states to realize the extent of this threat. We have called on the UN to resolutely condemn terrorist attacks staged by Islamists in Syria. But we were told that it was Bashar Assad’s politics that gave rise to terrorism, and that denouncing such acts was possible only alongside with the demand for his resignation,” Lavrov said.
In Moscow’s view, this represents “a double standard” and an attempt to justify terrorism.
Up until the Syrian conflict, Russia and the West were unanimous that terrorism cannot be justified “no matter what motive was behind them,” Lavrov said. But in case with Syria the West had a “different, two-faced stance.”
It was only when the terrorism threat which originated in Libya crept to Lebanon and then Iraq that Western countries realized it was time to deal with that, Lavrov said.
“Having admitted it with a huge delay, western partners for some reason think that this threat should be eliminated on the territory of Iraq, while on the territory of Syria it might be left to the consideration of those who conduct the operation,” Lavrov said.
The US agreed its airstrikes against Islamic State militants on Iraqi territory with Baghdad, Lavrov said. However, “it was rumored... no such permission was required from the government of Syria because they claim ‘Assad should resign and his regime should be overthrown’.” Lavrov said that there could be no different interpretation when it comes to the common interests of the West, Russia and other states: “Terrorist threats must be eliminated and terrorists liquidated,” he said.
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Of course - what this is all really about is the Qatar pipeline...
Specifically, the issue at hand is the green part of the proposed pipeline: as explained above, it simply can't happen as long as Russia is alligned with Assad.
So there you have it: Qatar doing everything it can to promote bloodshed, death and destruction by using not Syrian rebels, but mercenaries: professional citizens who are paid handsomely to fight and kill members of the elected regime (unpopular as it may be), for what? So that the unimaginably rich emirs of Qatar can get even richer. Although it is not as if Russia is blameless: all it wants is to preserve its own strategic leverage over Europe by being the biggest external provider of natgas to the continent through its own pipelines. Should Nabucco come into existence, Gazpromia would be very, very angry and make far less money!
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No wonder Putin is pissed - Obama has (for now) got his way from a year ago in Syria...blowback coming soon.
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Partitioning Russia after WW III:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/redrawing-the-map-of-the-russia-federation-partitioning-russia-after-world-war-iii/5400748
A threat to humanity and, if true, an indication of insanity combined with narcissism in the political elite.
Nukes will fly long before any of that ever comes to fruition. Then the maps will drawn on animal skins.
Manpads for everyone.
.....RUSSIA SHOULD BOMB THE SH*T OUT OF SAUDI ARABIA & QATAR.
THEY ARE BEHIND THE IRAQ & SYRIA WARS.
.....RUSSIAN OIL & GAS WILL BECOME VERY VALUABLE OVERNIGHT....AS WILL CANADA'S TAR SANDS.
I admire your manly use of caps lock. +1
Maybe he's hoping the headline algos will pick up on it?
Quite easy for the US to wage war against a force that has no air power... That may change if Oblamo's push includes taking out Assad... I think the US has pushed Russia and Putin about as far as they can without a nasty backlash...
Assad has no air power. He would be foolish to use what little he has left to combat US fighters.
Only total fools don't realize that the US is the world's number one terrorist.
I agree to a degree. But look at puppetmasters of all of Washington. IMF, World Bank. CFR and endless worthless humanoids behind the scenes..US is the terrorist, The number one idiot bully on the block. A small sacrifice for the smaller good of preserving very dusty old wallets of power.
So what if 300 millions starve? Shite. Pour another gin and tonic Lizzy. Order up another altar boy.
This is exactly what George W. Bush predicted in 2007:
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/09/george-w-bush-told-us-so-about-isi...
Qatari knuckle-draggers are going to be plenty pissed off when Syria is pacified and Israel starts pumping the Leviathan gas through the Syrian part of the pipeline.
Qatar: "Hey, Israel... We funded al Nusra and al Qaeda to crush Assad. That's OUR pipeline"
Israel: "Fuck off. We want it for our gas."
Qatar: "That's not fair. We spent millions on AK-47s and amphetamines in order to steal that pipeline."
Israel: "We sent our American bitches to actually take posession of it, and we got our Jordanian bitches to connect to it. It's ours - God said so."
Qatar: "Then we will have to fund al Qaeda and al Nusra to crush Israel. How about that?"
Israel: "Al Qaeda and al Nusra really work for us, and we will nuke your anti-Semetic holocaust-denying ass back to the stone ages if you touch the pipeline."
Qatar: "Really?"
Israel: "Hell no, but don't tell the U.S. that otherwise those bitches will start whining about all their God damn dead troops and expensive wars for Israel. Next thing you know, they'll start complaining about giving us free money. See what I mean?"
Qatar: "I guess so. But couldn't you pump a little Qatari gas through the Syrian pipeline, too?"
Israel: "Oh, I'm sure we can work someting out. Got any gold?"
Russia should take the exact dialogue that the USA has used against Syria verbatum and issue it regarding Qatar and Saudi Arabia. It should put the USA on notice that should any air strikes occur against the Syrian govt it will likewise respond with air or missile strikes against the Qatar and Saudi Arabian regimes which have been sponsoring the terrorists behind the Beslan massacres and others in Russia.
man,
this is really starting to suck...
anyone who wants a war...should be made to ENLIST!!!
bitchez!
Putin's worried about that warm water port. He's a rat-bastard. If he's shitting his pants, then that's all the proof I need.
He doesn't wear pants. He's a centaur.
First goal is to create chaos in the MENA region so that Western and Western-alligned powers and israel, Qatar, etc. can play and seize assets.
ISIS etc financed, equipped, trained,by US, UK, Israel, Saudi, Qatar, etc.
Pinto, hold that thought. "chaos in the MENA region" Looking at the map above, it occurs to me that the only way an above-ground pipeline is cheaper than an undersea pipeline is if it is surrounded by a relatively stable government. If they want a pipeline across Syria, Assad has to be replaced with something. The something at hand (IS) is the furthest thing from 'stable'. Wonder what the real pipe-dream is here? Keep in mind an undersea pipeline in two years will produce income much faster and ultimately be cheaper than an above ground pipeline 10 years from now regardless of who buys the bullets.
Fake ISIL was created to bleed Assad, not replace him. Israel has no intention of relying on the Syrian pipeline to any great degree - they'll simply use it if it's available. It's way more important for them to control the taps, regardless of where the gas comes from or where it's going.
Controlling the taps is exactly why Israel is so bent on the economic islolation, bleeding and eventual destruciton of Russia.
Russia is the only country that has consistently interferred with Israel's goals, including Israel's desire to monopolize Eastern Mediterranian gas supplies. The Leviathan reservoir extends all the way up through Lebanon and almost to Latikia.
This is where your thinking is flawed, zhandax:
"...Keep in mind an undersea pipeline in two years will produce income much faster and ultimately be cheaper than an above ground pipeline 10 years from now regardless of who buys the bullets..."
I don't think the math is nearly that clear, but the underlying assumption in your statement above is "No competition". Try telling that to the Russian gas majors developing those fields and building their own much cheaper/shorter pipeline to Ceyhan. It won't make Israel's gas worthless, but the payback on a separate, second Israeli pipeline just jumped out a few decades.
Israel needs to monopolize Eastern Medditeranian gas to make their expensive pipeline worth building. The only way they're going to do that is to destroy the ability of Russia to develop Lebanese and Syrian gas fields and prevent them from building a Russian pipeline. Israel is doing that right now through their bribed U.S. and E.U. politicians and endless sanctions/proxy wars they promote against Russia.
Putin isn't a fool - he knows exactly what Israel is up, and he knows perfectly well that dual-citizen Israeli-firster U.S. congressmen will gladly bring us to the brink of WWIII to guarantee Israel's monopoly and future gas profits.
Our Syria plan had delays
A fact for which Russia now pays
But bombs will soon drop
With our new ISIS prop
A cat can be skinned several ways
Tony is that you????? ;)
No messy with our oil.
Zhandax - creation of chaos is first required to effectively control.
First they have to smash these areas, then seize the zones they like seems to be the pattern.
No Congressman or Senator should be able to authorize war unless at least first cousin or if alive a son or daughter is enlisted in combat arms MOS..
Because that's what he planned I. 2001
George W. Bush predicting something is like Alien Greenspam "predicting" something - the damn morons set up all the circumstances and created the predicted bad outcomes.
Russia gave Assad some good anti air units (S-300 or 400).
The U-S could face some serious loses.
Wrong. Few months ago Rossia delivered to Syria SS 20 (or whatever number was) anti-craft air missile. So, the bombs will not fly around as it was in Libya's case. Plus Syria have Mig-29 fighters - equivalent to F-16 (the best so far US made fighter). Plus - russians will provide satellite info for the movement of us sh*ts around.
"..Huge Escalation In Middle East & Africa.."
is big joke on russias!
because, escalations will being bankrupt soviet emperor!
and then we are seeing who is not a bathing suits!!!
hugs,
ron reagan's missile defense shield
http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.space.history/2007-02/msg00895.html
Oh dear, you forgot the /sarc tag.
That needs a /sarc tag?
Bankrupt Russia?
What planet are you from? Like the USSA has ANY Wealth left in its cauffers? I am NOT talking about paper and electronic digits.
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
it's a good thing for ppl who have trouble reading small letters :)
hobopants says
"Oh dear, you forgot the /sarc tag."
is a tough crowd tonight
Already on the agenda after the Bandar Bush meeting with Putin.
That might just be Putins "fuckit" move.
Isn't Bandar part of ISIS now?
That is a satanic haiku LOL.
I agree by the way.
But then Israel will lose their new buddies!
Ratz playing all sides against each other and profiting from the carnage... Zionists will be the death of us all...
The joke is on the zionists. The promised land is actually in Deerfield beach.
Could you be off by two miles?
So, here's a strategy for the US... Incite an all-out regional sectarian war in the Mid-East. Wars are VERY expensive, and with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc., against Iran and the Sunni outliers, they will all need LOTS of dollars. That means they will all have to flood the market with oil to pay for it all. The price of oil plummets, and all the dollars are recycled to by US arms. As the price of oil plummets, the economy of Russia tanks as well, putting Putin in a bind. Of course he will sell all kinds of gear to the Sunni block, but that will probably not make up for the drop in oil revenue.
All out war in the region is good for the US, as long as the oil fields are still pumping and the tankers are leaving full.
We need to get China to reflag Iranian tankers to keep the Saudis from blowing them up. I guess that;s the last part of the puzzle. If they refuse, hell, the US could reflag tankers leaving Iran. It's about free navigation, after all, and the US is neutral, of course.
+1, someone using their head here. To Obomba, Putin's warning about a "huge escalation" translates to "Mission Accomplished"
Sounds good - I just hope the Russians are willing to go along with it.
And I'm not sure there's a flood of oil to be had.
Hahaha.
All out war in the region would mean Iran blowing up Qatari, Saudi, UAE, Kuwaiti oil fields!
Did you miss the Iraq/ Kuwait war a few decades back when all the oil fields were set alight?
Price of oil would skyrocket to $300 per barrell. Global economy would be F-U-C-K-E-D.
Global economy is already fucked. $300 per bbl is just the equivalent of wiping it's dick on the bedsheets and reaching for a cigarette.
ISIS seems to be just the latest made Zio-USSA Frankenstein Monster that escaped and is rampaging on its own.
All Russia has to do, is to help this monster have some "direction", by creating so much havoc in the ME, that the Qatari pipeline remains a pipe dream. Eventually they will have to come around and agree to build a much shorter and safer line: under the Persian Gulf, to Iran, and from there to join the Iran-Russia pipeline that feeds Europe and Asia.
In theory this is a better deal for them, but the US (MIIC+Fed) would "go ballistic". Literally. KSA and Qatar would need the combined protection from Russia+China to safeguard them from the US fleet in the Gulf and Diego Garcia, as that would dethrone the King Dollar from its GRC throne.
Thats an interesting view point Kirk, i know on the ground here in the UAE that Qatar's foreign 'policy' has caused a temporary breakup in the GCC Region, they seem to be an outlier. i dont know whether or not that is a consequence of Qatar actually thinking about co-operating with Iran or whether its the funding of the extremists of ISIS. Something isnt aligned here in the Gulf though.
The US has significant bases in Qatar and i believe Exxon are the ones in partnership with the Qatari royal family.
Considering the above, and the recently announced meeting between Iran and KSA on ISIS, i am beginning to think that your observation might be something that Saudi and the rest of the GCC are looking for and its Qatar with USA thats continuing down this path of Syria.
They could do that and every mouthpiece in the west will decry their savagery.
Or
Assad could request Russian assistance against ISIS in Syria leading to Russia putting in air and intel units. Of course these units would be stationed at critical points where western bombs would be most likely to fall and accidentally hit government elements.
It worked in the Med. Should work on land too.
@ y3maxx
".....RUSSIA SHOULD BOMB THE SH*T OUT OF SAUDI ARABIA & QATAR.
THEY ARE BEHIND THE IRAQ & SYRIA WARS..."
In doing that bombing Russia may have been helping to liberate the Saudi Arabian and Qatari people from their several decade-long despot tyrants (the House of Saud and the House of Thani respectively).
It's a Bomb-And-Free Operation...to free the enslaved humanity there,,,,
For such bold statements by y3maxx, a capslock is accepted.
Russia could nuke the USA and free humanity everywhere.
I am pretty sure when this all flared up almost exactly a year ago that Putin said that. He supposedly said in private that if Syria was hit then the Saudis were going to get hammered. This was after he supposedly had words with Prince Banhar Bushand just befoe Obama was saying Syria was going to get hit.
right. and so it should be. pretty much start from scratch.
Dead right, bearing in mind WW£ most likey would up with everyone reduced to ash. Some the "elite" seem to overlook in their brinkmanship.
The combination of Russian resources with Chinese money and know-how is too much for the Anglo-American War Machine to contemplate. Can't oppose China directly so just manufacture ways to oppose Russia. This stuff is not difficult to figure out, folks...
Good find Pinto. You have found the long held master plan for Russia. The elites will carve up the rich prize and kill all Russians who stand in the way. In a throw back to Hitlers plans, the modern west has adopted practically the same Nazi plans for Russia. But Russia knows all about these plans, and you can bet that the nuclear weapons will end the wests ambitions for world dictatorship of banks and NATO.
dear jack..
why all this angry talk for?
you make it sound like russia needs nukes to win...
I would love to drink some fine souther whisky of those old norther american viking waters with such as you. Its all on me someday.
The same people who were behind the scenes backing Hitler are the same people today behind the NWO or their offspring. Nothing has changed. Strelkov made a vague reference to it today. He said 1917, 2001 and today. The same people trying to control Russia's wealth and steal it from Russians.
Putin stopped them after they looted Russia in roughly 2001 period during Yeltsin. Soros then and Soros now. 1917 were the same Z travellers as Soros.
Followup to a post of yours in another thread regarding the English translation of the Colonel Cassad blog.
A commenter on Saker's site said that the English translation of Colonel Cassad's site was frozen by the Live Journal service. The translator is reportedly trying to get it unblocked.
In the meantime, you can view the original Russian version of Colonel Cassad's site, machine-translated to English by Yandex, using the following link:
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.en/colonelcassad.livejournal.com
Thanks Stooge. The ENG site looked like the colonel took the last few days off to go fishing.
Good news: the English translation site of Colonel Cassad's blog has been unfrozen.
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
Text here: http://slavyangrad.org
It's not so simple, the US or more specifically Zionist financial interests in New York were funding Soviet Communism. There are many NYT articles urges "international Jewery" (their words) to help finance the Bolsheviks.
Concurrently you had other US interests later financing Hitler, before changing sides again. THe US seems to have the reverse Midas touch, everything it touches turns to shit.
Putin plans, Obama reacts.
That is the difference.
You mean: Putin thinks, Obama gets told what to do.
Obama just golfs.
Whatever his "plan" is, it will only hurt the US just like he wants it.
And by playing golf the coup in Ukraine took place, by playing golf the middle east is put on fire, by playing golf one country after the other is destabalized, by playing golf Russia is being encircled, by playing golf the NWO is established?
Chutzpah.
I posit that Obama was only just some guy with a gift of gab. Looks good if black. Nothing more than a puppet actor from day 1.
So now his mind is breaking down from all this BS that he is on the fringes of. Perhaps he discovered some sense of horror.
So either go insane; go back on the booze (Bush and his vacant stare of 911) or look ahead to the Prozac and riches after office. So what to do? Go play golf. Come back once in a while to read the script and watch your soul descend to the realm of the "hungry ghosts".
Probably has many guns pointed at his head if he does not perform as planned. He is/was and will continue to be the "Manchurian Candidate" in many ways. Does not mean he should not be hauled into a Court of Law.
Ambitious, skilled self promoter.
And aggressively homosexual.
http://www.examiner.com/article/barack-obama-accused-of-sexual-harassmen...
You assume he has a soul. These people are souless ghouls.
Lead to in Africa...
Ask the Chinese about Africa right now.
Didn't Congress vote against bombing Syria?
dear leader already said he does not need their approval on this call.
He does and Congress don't want the responsibility.
FYI... In the case of the Brits, their PM's hands are tied when it comes to bombing Syria, since their Parliament had already blocked it last year.
Obola, OTOH, works differently: He now runs the Imperial Presidency, and no one (or too quiet and too few) are calling him out on it in the MSM and Congress. Pure Zio-orchestrated Treason, all around.
Quite the opposite.
In the UK, the government requires no parliamentary authorisation for its actions. The government exists only as long as it enjoys the confidence of the House of Commons; so requires no voting on its actions, only on its existence.
In the US the President requires Congressional authorisation to go to war. But since no US President after the World War II, ever sought that or got it, it is meaningless to talk about Obama needing it for acting in Syria.
Cuba, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Al Qaeda, Russia - I'm just sick of all this shit....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SECVGN4Bsgg
USA, USA - STAY the fuck HOME, USA and mind your OWN business!!!
USA, USA - STAY the fuck HOME, USA and mind your OWN business!!!
Not as long as your arseholes point towards the ground....!
USA stay home and mind your OWN buisness. Well, a fellow by the name George Washington stated long ago. "Beware of Foreign Entanglements". Ahh, what did he and the rest know. sarc/
It still blows my mind to see the more Obama fucks things up, the more he's portrayed as a puppet.
Well, he can be more flexible since his election...
The one constant is that everything he does is contrary to constitutional government under the US constitition and harmful to the great country that once developed under that constitution.
It still blows my mind to see the more Obama fucks things up, the more he's portrayed as a puppet."
Bush was a puppet. Obama was a marketing product akin to better toilet paper. Thing is US has allowed this to happen. Corporations are people. Unlimited donations. Dismantle constitution. Buy judges. USA is more duped and controlled than well....maybe not North Korea. But getting close.
that is the subtext vibe i got from "the orphan master's son".
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/feb/17/orphan-masters-son-adam-joh...
maybe it was just me.
Putin will have missile batteries in place, expect heavy losses on both sides. This will not end well.
Did it ever occur to anybody that Zero's "strategy" against ISIS is really a strategy against the U.S?
Edit: oh yeah, ISIS isn't Islamic.
http://newsbcpcol.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/8d/494cc130409d2c65756262e98cc2...
The transformation is almost complete. Once the NFL owners are all black it will be complete
Ahhhhh, that's what the N stands for... ok, thanks.
So...the ISIS dudes are Lutherans? I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I'd wager that there aren't any non-muslims in ISIS.
Don't be silly, they're episcipalian. Near catholics.
Ah! Catholic Lite! All the ceremony and half the guilt! I like it....
Our Lady of the Cadillacs.
I doubt it ever occurred to Obummer to have a strategy, as it's certainly not part of the job description for "Puppet of the United States."
At most, he might desire to be real, like Pinnochio, but it's doubtful, as being a puppet is a good life these days.
Now, Valerie, OTOH...
Say what!?
Say What one more time... I dare you! I double-dare you, MFer...
When it comes to the consequences of his actions, Obama remains clueless while Putin stands by waiting to take advantage of the upcoming carnage....same old story why let a crisis go to waste!
I still have to wonder tho...Is China and Russia adversaries of the west NWO, or are they part of it overall and the new NWO all
planned? The same thing happened WW2...Everything was planned...Israel forming, banksters making money etc..Are we re-living WW2? Or are Russia and China truly adversaries?
philosophyofmetrics.com thinks so.He lays out the NWO plans.
No honor among psychopaths, is what he doesn't take into account.
There can only be one, was not just a line from Highlander..
it is not just russia and china. it is 3/4 of the world population and land mass and resources. i think they are genuine adversaries of the empire. putin first revealed his contempt for the unipolar usa world in the late 90s. 15 years later he is acting upon his stated desire for a multipolar world in a kinetic way. i think a large part of the issue is the opacity of russian or chinese finances and the limited influence of western banking in their financial systems. the usa is on an all or nothing banzai attack on the world for the protection of the petrodollar which is why it is losing the support of europe. all of this could end tomorrow if the chinese let the rothchilds in to consult on their horde of yuan.
how is USA losing support in europe when the european leaders went lock step with USG's decision to sanction russia???
in the end europe cares more about itself than the petrodollar. that is why several euro countries have voiced public concern over the usa requested sanctions but have gone along with it so far. like japan, europe will not commit suicide for the empire.
respectfully i say thats nonsense, internal squabbles pertaining to "objections" to russian sanctions are the not the same as defiance of USG mandates. it is compliance straight and simple. sure life isnt black and white but there isnt even the slightest country willing to back out, the US says jump and europe unbuckles their pants and bends over. If russia gets out of this,alive and intact it is going to punish Europe for centuries.
bankers say jump and US leaders unbuckle and bend over, so...?
and who got the euro implemented?
Russia and China have hired the Power Rangers to take out the NWO and the evil Banker clan, I think that is where things currently stand. What they don't know is that the bankers have just finished constructing mecha jewzilla and it will certainly give the power rangers and Putin's giant Gazprom bot a run for their money. Tune your tinfoil hats into channel ZH for the exciting conclusion to this battle royale.
yeah doo, it's pretty much fake...
My guess is that they are all owned by the same master, and that Putin and JinPing are looking to move up in the pecking order (all while looking humane in comparison to the nuttiness of those who are moving down it).
I just can't imagine there can be that many loose ends after all these years of central banks. Nor are either of these men innocent AND powerful. I'm quite sure they know the game they play.
It's hard to know, but Soros sounded scared in that article he put out today, maybe things aren't going to plan in oligarch land eh? Maybe the plan was to bring Russia and China into the fold but they decided "Fuck it, why do we need these guys? They ain't been nuttin but trouble."
Can't blame them, pretty sick and tired of having dual citizens run a monopoly of control on my govt and financial system. Who wants these loud mouthed obnoxious gypsies around. Please someone nuke Hollywood.....Maybe the Chinese can help out
nuke seems a little strong but they have no such compunctions.
you had me at dual citizens.
one would think that would be a straight out disqualification for anything u.s. government managerial. one would think.
I want to thank all of you for your replies to my question...I find that ZH'ers are smarter than the average bear...thank you.
Russia Warns Obama's "Two-Faced" Strategy In Syria Will Lead To "Huge Escalation In Middle East & Africa
Obama doesn't have a "face". Therefore, "faceless" Strategy - is what it should be called.
Not only will this piss off Russia, the Chinese will have a thing to say about Obamas stupidity. You think the US is that "exceptional" that you can bomb anywhere you want without some major repercussions.
This is the Fucktardest thing Obamas has ever been told to do. It smells of rapid raging lunacy
We have been bombing for what 20 yrs now? where you been man?
Long gone are the days America could lay waste to whole countries with impunity because who the fuck is left?
Keep fucking around and eventually you get a broken nose...
I thought Obama still didn't have a strategy in Syria? So what happened?
The recently approved strat is, any convoy with 10 or more trucks is targeted...
All of these major developments happening so quickly, yet hardly ANYONE even really knows its going on.
ww3 2016 = third term for the kenyan
probably more like idi amin "dictator for life".
Don't count on it -puppets like Hillary or Jeb Bush would serve the elites just as well. Both parties are the same -both owned and controlled by the real rulers. Don't give Obama the fag any more credit than he deserves. Hillary is a lesbian. She'll play their game and do their bidding.
the irony of this policy is the truth would probably be more effective propaganda. if usa .gov told the american people that russia has an energy stranglehold on europe that must be broken the american people would be more apt to support a war couched in those terms and goals. the ukraine could even be explained that way. but noooooo, the usa is genetically unable to tell the truth even if it is in their favor.
How many 'Murikans give a crap about the EU?
We don't need your stinkin' exceptionalism and "help" here.
We decide, what's good for us, you decide what guns you buy to impress your fellow cowards.
Pack up your bases and shove off to your land of sheep and land whales. An indispensable "nation"? That's a laugh!
How many people are actually in ISIS? Are we talking like a battalion? There can't be anything near a division.
When the ISIS Iraq invasion started the number was told as 2,000-8,000. Now they say 17,000.
Seventeen thousand and we need, "years" to take them out. Bullshit
Just in.... 31,000.
It's all just too funny...
Bubble blowback!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVIvA5Exs28 (0:04)
Monica Lewinsky brought more class to the Oval Office in the few times she was in it than Barry has in the six years he's been in it...
Since you brought up the comparison, I bet that Obama has chugged more cock in the Oval Office than Monica ever did.
Makes sense, explains why he's such a big asshole too.
She knew how to get ahead with the guy who couldn't at home.
All Putin has to do is hold off until 2016. Then Hillary will be in and he already knows what she's about. Then it's nuke city
"We came, we saw, he died . . . bwahahahhahaaaaa!"
-- Hilary on Qadaffi
Mad Cow for president.
That's great! Mad Cow for President.
Maybe she'll make you her campaign manager.
Well we all certainly know who Mr. Lavrov is talking about when he says "terrorist threats must be eliminated and liquidated" -Now don't we!...
Is Secret Chimp up for a game of Russian roulette?!!!
I just wonder how the American public will react when the body parts of ALL those U.S. pilot(s) come home to Dover in rubber bags?...
It's sick that they are going to expose American pilots to this theater.
One could imagine the CIA and merc instructions to ISIS was, "Here are the manpads. DO NOT fire at American planes. Those planes are YOUR air cover. These missiles are to take out threats to your ground forces."
Seems all neat until infiltrating Syrian and Russian Special Ops pop up with their 'state of the art bang bang' and American planes start dropping like flies.
And ISIS will be the perfect cover for the action...
note how Mr. Lavrov talks about common interests of the West, Russia and other states
yup. in some areas, Russia is an opponent. in some other areas, it's an... ally. the only "problem" there is the US public opinion, and it's tendency to paint everything in two colours only
Yeah, like ISIS US ally, ISIS US arch enemy.
No, think that we got that bit, funding our enemies. It's the subtleties we don't do well.
I can't help but think that perhaps to some extent this is all staged. Think about it, we had the Olympics take place in Russia and prior to that, none of this was on the table really at all. Within two or three days of the Olympics closing ceremony all hell breaks loose over there. Suddenly Russia is taking control of Crimea (apparently through a legitimate voting process which still, the west condemned as illegitmate) and has continued to escalate every day since that time. I recently read a ZH comment which suggested this is all a convenient way to end the dollar reserve status so the US could say "It wasn't our fault" etc. What I'm asking is if this is all somehow part of some greater NWO plan. Just a thought.
Think about it, we had the Olympics take place in Russia and prior to that, none of this was on the table really at all.
CZ
I think you forgot about this little incident which led to this one!
Know how you feel.
The U.S. government and it's accomplices have done so many of them you can no longer keep track of the timeline(s)...
Zactly, who really is behind the terrist attacks? One can never really be too sure anymore.
Zactly, who really is behind the terrist attacks? One can never really be too sure anymore.
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I don't think Bandar "Bush" was actually being very cordial with that ultimatum to Putin last October... Do you?...
The bombing of the train station like Beslan before it was an existential threat and act of war by the West's use of it's "proxies" just like the 191,000 murders and 3 million refugees in Syria from 2011 to date.
You're also forgetting the business ties between Russia and Syria for defense, oil and agro since the late 60's which numbered in the tens of thousands and who were forced to leave for Russia with their families in the last two years thanks to the Israeli/U.S./British "trifecta"... Not to forget the port the Russians have had in Tartus since 1971.
Care to guess who the scum still is?
"prior to that, none of this was on the table really at all"
that's a problem of narrative, specifically narrative in the media
some pieces were on the table, but nobody reported properly on them. One little example: there were a lot of naval assets in the Black Sea - too many of them for the Olympics only. Some of the Russian assets were deployed in Sochi and then, on the return leg, happened to be in Crimea, as a further little example
all in all a very good, balanced article of the kind that makes me return to ZH
a small warning, Tyler: the West's interest in Syria is not only about that pipeline. this is a classic journalistic narrative mistake to put in such complex matters one goal above all others. Example: the French-Syrian ties are old, as well as the Turkish-Syrian ones. Assad's regime's ties to Russia are old, too, but if the Assad regime falls, it would not be that strange to find a solid French-Quatary-Turkish-Syrian alliance/regime in Damascus, with the US/UK/Israel as second-tier backers, possibly slightly grumbing about it because that regime would have some understanding with Russia. Factions always struggle for relative dominance among allies, and old ties have a habit of resurface after the dust settles. And in many ways, Russia is both an opponent and an ally in certain spheres of influence
multipolarity increases complexity, and we are going in that direction
kudos to CamoZ for that thought: how is the US supposed to "sell" the end of the dollar global reserve status to it's own population? A lot depends. On how it will happen. and you can't have one plan about it. only plans, plural. contingency plans. And yet contingency plans have a tendency of shaping actions prematurely
geopolitics is a bit like the weather: it's easy to see the forces in action now, and it's easy to predict how they will interact in the near term. In the long term, however, the possible interactions, accidents and mishaps make it utterly impossible, except as generalizations like "there will be seasons in the future, too"
very interesting remarks from the Russian FM. Russia interested in keeping the "international law" rules in place. this, for example, could mean that Russia and China could put more emphasis on the UN, with specific UN resolutions on how to proceed in Syria
from a pure military perspective, the US has the problem of wanting to fight both the IS and the Assad regime. the hardnosed way would be to wait a bit until they have weakened themselves from their fighting. from a pure intelligence perspective, the hardnosed strategy would be to wait for more recruits to flock to the black banners, and then "cash them in" when they try to return home after the fighting. yet the commercial interest of the gas pipeline from Quatar to Europe makes some backers impatient. and don't forget other very impatient commercial interests: arms and ammo have to be spent, asap
from a humanitarian point of view, the damage is already immense. Turkey has opened it's borders to the refugees, and many of them are flocking to the EU, which will have consequences even in France and Sweden. I already dread how the poorer of them will suffer in the Turkish winter. War is still the most wasteful way to settle international affairs
"We won't have to fight you, we will so weaken your economy until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands."
Nikita Khrushchev
How'd that work out for the little fucker.
Niki was a Ukie. And a drunkard.
It was he who "gave" Crimea to Ukraine, while both were still part of the USSR. It was the "guilt" card for the Ukrainian Famine ('Holodomor') under Stalin -- who was a Georgian with a Jewish wife. The "rhyme of History" is amazing.
None of the unlucky, greedy bastards got to rid in my chevy van, in the 70's nor the 20teens. BUT, yalls mama's could have...son?
I'm waiting for the movies and news reals of Oceania troops sending Eurasia's troops into panicked retreat, to sounds of blaring trumpets and triumphant cheers.
When the Obamites initiate a scorched-earth campaign, who knew it would be against the rest of the planet.