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Russia Warns Obama's "Two-Faced" Strategy In Syria Will Lead To "Huge Escalation In Middle East & Africa"
If the West bombs Islamic State militants in Syria without consulting Damascus, LiveLeak reports that the anti-ISIS alliance may use the occasion to launch airstrikes against President Bashar Assad’s forces, according to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. Clearly comprehending that Obama's new strategy against ISIS in Syria is all about pushing the Qatar pipeline through (as was the impetus behind the 2013 intervention push), Russia is pushing back noting that the it is using ISIS as a pretext for bombing Syrian government forces and warning that "such a development would lead to a huge escalation of conflict in the Middle East and North Africa."
“There are reasons to suspect that air strikes on Syrian territory may target not only areas controlled by Islamic State militants, but the government troops may also be attacked on the quiet to weaken the positions of Bashar Assad’s army,” Lavrov said Tuesday. Such a development would lead to a huge escalation of conflict in the Middle East and North Africa, Lavrov told reporters in Moscow after a meeting with the foreign minister of Mali.
Moscow is urging the West to respect international law and undertake such acts only with the approval of the legitimate government of a state, Lavrov said.
“Not a single country should have its own plans on such issues. There can be only combined, collective, univocal actions. Only this way can a result be achieved,” he said.
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Russia has long warned its western partners about the threat posed by Islamic State, al-Qaeda and other groups that later merged into the Islamic Front, Lavrov said.
“We have repeatedly suggested to the US, the EU and leading European states to realize the extent of this threat. We have called on the UN to resolutely condemn terrorist attacks staged by Islamists in Syria. But we were told that it was Bashar Assad’s politics that gave rise to terrorism, and that denouncing such acts was possible only alongside with the demand for his resignation,” Lavrov said.
In Moscow’s view, this represents “a double standard” and an attempt to justify terrorism.
Up until the Syrian conflict, Russia and the West were unanimous that terrorism cannot be justified “no matter what motive was behind them,” Lavrov said. But in case with Syria the West had a “different, two-faced stance.”
It was only when the terrorism threat which originated in Libya crept to Lebanon and then Iraq that Western countries realized it was time to deal with that, Lavrov said.
“Having admitted it with a huge delay, western partners for some reason think that this threat should be eliminated on the territory of Iraq, while on the territory of Syria it might be left to the consideration of those who conduct the operation,” Lavrov said.
The US agreed its airstrikes against Islamic State militants on Iraqi territory with Baghdad, Lavrov said. However, “it was rumored... no such permission was required from the government of Syria because they claim ‘Assad should resign and his regime should be overthrown’.” Lavrov said that there could be no different interpretation when it comes to the common interests of the West, Russia and other states: “Terrorist threats must be eliminated and terrorists liquidated,” he said.
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Of course - what this is all really about is the Qatar pipeline...
Specifically, the issue at hand is the green part of the proposed pipeline: as explained above, it simply can't happen as long as Russia is alligned with Assad.
So there you have it: Qatar doing everything it can to promote bloodshed, death and destruction by using not Syrian rebels, but mercenaries: professional citizens who are paid handsomely to fight and kill members of the elected regime (unpopular as it may be), for what? So that the unimaginably rich emirs of Qatar can get even richer. Although it is not as if Russia is blameless: all it wants is to preserve its own strategic leverage over Europe by being the biggest external provider of natgas to the continent through its own pipelines. Should Nabucco come into existence, Gazpromia would be very, very angry and make far less money!
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No wonder Putin is pissed - Obama has (for now) got his way from a year ago in Syria...blowback coming soon.
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I think escalation is the objective. No?
Whomever made the Arab pipeline map isn't doing it right. For the full effect, the individual sites should have been named after Russian leaders.
I don't bite the thesis of this article, that Qatar was controlling USrael...
Qatar would be much better off using nat gas to manufacture fertilizer and host of other petrochemicals for export to markets globally and therby achieve added value. Problem is it would not satisfy Neocon aim to weaken Russia and EU dependance on Russian gas. Similarly, Russia should invest in more fertilizer and chemicals to supply China. In the end it is all about energy and food.
Makes sense, so forget it.
Winston Churchill has succinctly articulated American Foriegn Policy while sipping cognac and smoking a cigar
Again i ask where is China? At this point China is beginning to look like a paper tiger and will be treated as such.
Isn't there a Chinese proverb saying something like that it's better waiting until the dead enemies will pass by on the river?
Confucius he say:
"Do not count bodies on battlefield. Count bodies floating down river"
If fiat Yuan is strong then China may finance the wars, and can sit back. Someone will have to keep BRICs alive and gather/support the weak emerging market central banks.
I keep having images of Putin in a Judo ring or fight club, while keeping a chess game going off on the side. Setting up battlefronts. It will be nearly impossible for SouthStream to get funded or done unless the west backs down or there is some new large imbroglio or fiat collapse or central bank collapse. Winter arrives.
Confucius once say...
Man with hole in pocket, feel cocky all day.
Good cop/bad cop.
But both cops are assholes in reality..
Why are you trying to police public opinion when you are a self-described asshole?
Just passing thru' Cannucklehead ?
Haven't you got some Russian puppies to drown or something ?
Why does China need to get involved? They have nothing to gain.
what do you mean they have nothing to gain, who do you think is going to get a knock on their door next??
China IS a paper tiger and if Russia didn't have nukes they would be right with them.
One must remember that modern China is a zionist creation and fully in the pocket of the orcs in Tel Aviv.
If anyone besides Saudi Arabia and Qatar have anything to gain, its Europe which would love an additional natural gas pipeline going through Syria to Europe. Less reliance on Russia for Natural gas will shift power and will likely weaken world natural gas prices.
Europe should welcome reliance on Russian gas. Russia is a Christian, European power. In view of Qatar's history of support for terrorism and Islamist extremism, the last thing Europe needs is to get hooked on Qatari gas.
Europe can make a thick pipe from north Africa, if they are not happy with RUssia. And do not need to make wars around.
this is an american-jewish game.
The Nabucco pipe line does not pass through Syria, the pipe line in the picture given above with this article may be planned to connect to the Nabucco pipe line, in Turkey, but it is not the Nabucco. Nabacco oiigin is Georgia, Azerbaija and east . . .
Nabucco pipe line east ad west parts . http://www.encyclopedia.vbxml.net/File:Nabucco_Gas_Pipeline-en.svg
The Islamic Pipeline is planned to pass from Iran through Iraq to Syria, the supply via pipe under sea to Greece (or ship) and on to rest of Europe, by passing Turkey, though supply would be Iranian originated gas but also from the North Dome/South Pars, area shared with Quatar. Syria present supports that pipeline. USA wants this pipe line from Quatar via Saudi. ad on to Europe via Turkey
Syria presently supports Iran and is supported by both Iran ( Shiite) and Russia.
Quatar, Saudi( both predominantly Sunni), Isreal and Turkey don't support Syria as is ( present rulers), and they don't support Iran or Russia. And the Iranian pipeline takes Turkey out the picture.
USA supports Isreal and Saudi and Quatar, and Turkey ( but could make a deal with Iran if they give up nuclear, tho' Isreal wouldn't go with that one, and Iran is pro Russia)
The original Nabucco takes partially Russia out of the picture yet there is insufficient gas at the source to fully supply Europe, and those countries could become pro Russia, which they have close borders,in the future.
A well written article from 2013, (with source notes):
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/05/31/the-geopolitics-of-gas-and-the-syrian-crisis.html
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Russia only cares when Nazis are involved. Hey look I just saw some Nazis in Syria. So now they got no choice but to help stop them in Syria.
Russia hates Nazis, that is the only reason they are in Ukraine.
Of course ten thousand Nazis could march in Syria and Russian would not see them. Nazis are only where Russia wants them to be.
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/19/russian-soldiers-reveal-truth-behind-...
what is this shit? soldiers die in wars. keep on killin' them nazis bastards vlad.
Is it okay and legal to just select a country and drop bombs on it? I mean like in Iraq, we decided we didn’t like what we saw going on over there so we dropped bombs on them. They did not attack us, or even threaten to do so. Now, we don’t like what we see going on in Syria, so we bomb them. Do the people who live in those countries have any say in any of this? If we are truly spreading ‘democracy’ should we not let them vote on bombing them?
If the Russians don’t like what they see going on in the U.S. is it okay to drop bombs on us? Isn’t dropping bombs on another country an act of war, or something like that? We were incredibly pissed when the Empire of Japan dropped bombs on us. The French were pissed too when Germany dropped bombs on them.
‘Might makes right’ seems like our foreign policy. Other countries just sit it out and watch the U.S. on their TV’s, dropping bombs.
Back in the olden days when CONgress had some testicles this shit would get stopped short.
Now CONgress has no testicles whatsoever.
I think all the Chicks in AIPAC have them, I hear Nuland's testicles swing like a horses. Her husband's are the size of peas.
More American lives (draft the chosen dumbshits and see if they can do anything but lie) and money (as if) for the zionist agenda. Even they know they are big fat pitifull festering maggots....lol zionist retards dancing around in shit at midnight chanting something about the jiz up their giant snoots
The US created ISIS so they could get Assad.
That is why Obongo is also going to give MORE armaments to the same guys who formed ISIS.
Russia is actually a more reasonable entity than the USSA.
Assad, his wife and children are Whites who celebrate Christmas. No wonder Obongo and his handlers want him GONE.
And the REAL Overlords of the USSA get everything, all the time, it was like when the bailouts to the Banksters on the Upper Eastside of Manhattan, real estate SKYROCKETED in Tel Aviv.
Enough is never enough. Greed will do us all in.
Greed is an adiction like all other adictions, they can't stop.
Ok.
I'm officially declaring it, because I haven't seen anyone say it anywhere else:
The United States IS NOW in The Second Cold War with Russia.
I seem to remember a while back that Russia was parking some S-300? S-400? SAMs in Syria. If the US does start bombing Syria, I guess we'll see if those SAMs start flying. If US fighters aren't blown out of the sky, I wonder which assumption would be correct:
1) Russian SAM technology blows ass.
2) There are no Russian SAM batteries in Syria and Putin was all talk.
3) Putin and al-Assad are afraid to push the launch button on those shiny SAMs.
Strelkov's press conference with English subtitles
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/09/strelkov-press-conference-tran...
I'm not endorsing his views or strategy, but here is the authentic voice of the man - the hero - who led the pro-Russian uprising in East Ukraine until a month ago.
I'm impressed! Pity the west only has snivelling puppets for leaders.
No question that the West has never ceased trying to not only destroy Russia but occupy it. That is the goal of our psychopaths.
Everybody has a plan...until they get hit.
~Mike Tyson
Huge escalation? Hell yeah honey baby. Lot's of families were started in chevy vans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiEIToOWr64
Huge escalation? Hell yeah honey baby. Lot's of families were started in chevy vans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiEIToOWr64
US >>> Syria
China >>> Taiwan
North Korea >>> South Korea
Russia >>> Ukraine
Russia >>> Georgia
Iran >>> Qatar
Iran >>> UAE
Iran >>> Saudi Arabia
Ooooooh, next few months are going to be fun, and of course there'll be more going on than that. That's just for starters!
The new US doctrine in Syria will be used by many other countries to justify their actions now!
Disregarding International Law is always a lot of fun.
Make that Persia instead of Iran.
With South Korea swinging into China's camp, reverse South and North Korea.
Then the new Russia-Persia-China axis will be THE empire of the 21st Century, and maybe beyond. It would certainly offer more stability than the US-Saudi-EU axis.
Obama inherited a HUGE mess...
from Obama's first term.
James Earl Ray
The map says Tripoli, but it looks more like Tel Aviv.
Tripoli is about 1000 miles to the west, near the top of Africa.
This looks like ZH hired CNN's map makers.
Well slap me around and call me Sally.
Lebanon has their own Tripoli. How was I to know?
Any map maker job openings?
Beruit to be the next Tripoli?
Ah such is life in the 21st century with an aggressor at large. Hint: Goldman Sachs.
The Obama doctrine was color revolutions, get people to destroy their own country.
Then let them kill each other over tribal disputes.
Leave it alone then go in with the big solution.
Hell, Obama 08 campaign was a color revolution.
He is way more dangerous and sinister then bush could have dreamed.
Russia should bomb USA and solve all the world's problems in one go.
Oh fuck this shit! The ONLY reason we have to be there is oil. So, go and secure the fucking oil, and the hell with all the exporting democracy crap!
Just tell everyone that we want the oil, and will pay the market price for it, and will damned well make sure it keeps flowing, but we aren't going to build roads and schools, or fix their government...that's THEIR fucking job to do with all the OIL MONEY they get.
Why are we always letting ourselves get sucked into these vortexes of confusion overseas? Isn't it obvious already that these folks are insane, and we just can't help them? They have something we need, let's focus on getting THAT, and let these folks sort their OWN shit out...
Clearly, Saudi princes and their Jewish bankers own us, our fiat is their lever and our military is their proxy. So why would the Sauds authorize a bombing of their own kingdom?
Newsweek Europe Exclusive: Russian Soldiers Reveal the Truth Behind Putin's Secret War
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/19/russian-soldiers-reveal-truth-behind-...
Nazi, r u ill seek or just stupid today?
who the hell here on ZH would browse nesweek, except V. Nulland moron, like u are? Did u get already your cookie today from her? Did u get your 20$ per day already from her?
Exclusive! Propaganda and f#**ing outright lies. All these lies and not one, not a single one, satellite photo or ground photo showing these Russian troops with their auxillary forces close behind in Ukraine territory. THe only soldiers ever to be there are those that choose to join the freedom fighters while on leave... individual decisions, not one sent by Putin. Show me the pictures or shut the F up!!! You piece of shit troll paid to spread this shit! You're on the very lowest rung of Rothschild patsies! F off!!
You go and tell that to those soldier relatives.
i wonder what kind of photo would be an evidence for you to admit that this man is russian soldier in ukrain without recognition signs but he was send by putin. How would that picture looked like? Could you describe?
West´s short-sighted meddling is the number one source of extremism. Without it you did not have al- Qaeda or ISIS. You do not have to share their goals to understand, why they came about. The foreign policy grossly underestimates nationalistic sentiments over the rest and therefore US engagement to war on foreign soil creates systematically new trouble spots before existing ones are extinguished. Add to this the idea propagated by Bloomberg that the global financial stability requires now suppression sovereign democratic rights in the West and you realize the knife´s edge, which the world now finds itself on. The Commander in Chief should just stick to the golf, because the foreign policy is definitely not his domain.
Nabucco?
Nabucco consortium is dead now, and has nothing to do with Quatar or Syria.
Nabucco was planned to deliver gas from Kaspian bassin to Europe, no Syria and no Quatar there. Nabucco was Austro-German project, bypassing us-jewish companies and therefor dead-on-arrival.
The US strategy is clear. Bomb and destroy the Syrian government forces under the pretext of acting against IS. What is not clear is what Syria's reaction will be. Since the US operation is likely to be restricted to missiles and drones, there is not much damage Syria can cause that has not already been anticipated and treated as acceptable.
Wonder if Syria has the resources to launch a few missiles against some Western cities. It will be a pity if the Syrian regime falls without taking at least a couple of Western cities.
What is to stop the Syrians from requsting from the Russians air supoport to take out isis, that then brings Russia into the fight. The Russians could say they are helping on the Syrian side and the Americans are not needed, so they can stay on the Iraqi side and not dare violate Syrian air space.
What is to stop the Syrians from requesting from the Russians air support to take out isis, that then brings Russia into the fight. The Russians could say they are helping on the Syrian side and the Americans are not needed, so they can stay on the Iraqi side and not dare violate Syrian air space.
ANSWER:
Overcommittment to the Ukraine.
This is what strategy is. When you create a demand for forces HERE, they cannot simultaneously be THERE. Russia's air power is constructed such that it supports ground forces, and can establish local air superiority. But it doesn't have a great expeditionary capability.
Russia's strength is in its Army. Which is ironic. Its planes are of much better quality relative to other country's than are its last few generations of ground-based armaments.
Regardless, stoking fires in Russias interests around the globe moves the contest for gas delivery pipelines to Europe into the Air Force and Navy, where the US and Europe have a decicive advantage.
But ask yourself this... What if Russia competed in Gas wars the way a private company would? What if instead of spending huge sums on armaments, and proxy wars to prevent alternative pipelines, they instead spent it updating GAZPROM and making it an efficient company that could compete on price given equal conditions?
In other words, why is the killing over gas supply contracts necessary in the first place?
Clausewitz said that war is the extension of politics by other means.
But the most important thing to remember is that force, coercion, is NEVER the most efficient means of solving a problem. Even when it seems to be, blowback over the short or long term will ALWAYS leach the efficiency away.
But thieves, thugs, and governments are always incapable of seeing this fact.
Re. What if instead of spending huge sums on armaments?? ...
What if?? They'd be overrun by insatiable Zino backed ZATO, that's what if.
Every war since 2003 has been a proxy war over who may or may not enter the European energy market and on what terms.
Democracy Now interview with General Wesley Clark: “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”
Everything is going according to plan.
If Russia has evidence that Ebola was intentionally released in W. Africa by the West, he really should disclose it.