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Ukraine Admits Resurgent Separatists Extend Control All The Way To Sea Of Azov
The Ukraine "ceasefire" may be raging, but don't tell that to the "rebel", "separatists", "pro-Russian terrorists" or whatever it is that the ethnic Russians in east Ukraine are called nowadays, because a few short hours ago even Kiev finally admitted that the insurgency, with or without Russian backing, has finally hit the beach of the Azov Sea, which implicitly means that the only thing that is prevent the formation of a land connection from Russia to Crimea is the city of Mariupol, which as Ukraine reported overnight, it is now massing heavy weapons for what may be the most critical fight of the entire Ukraine civil war to date.
From AFP:
The Ukrainian authorities acknowledged on Thursday that pro-Russian rebels had extended their control over territory on the eastern border with Russia to the Sea of Azov.
The announcement by the National Security and Defence Council follows a lightning offensive across the southeast area launched by the pro-Russian separatists last month.
How this looks on a map:
So while the Ukraine army is losing key strategic waypoints, the parliament speaker told Fokus magazine that Ukraine needs to regroup, strengthen army, and must open way to NATO membership, something which as Russia has made quite clear, will truly drive the Kremlin over the edge.
Meanwhile, for some inexplicable reason, the myth that a "ceasefire" continues is propagated by both Moscow and Kiev...
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B-B-But Tyler...I thought you said this whole "insurgency" was an illusion cooked up by the eeeeevilllll joooos!
So, the New World Order figures it was worth a shot. If their Kiev flunkies dropped the ball, there are bigger fish to fry in the new Iraq War that Nobel Peace Prize winner Obummer just officially started yesterday. Obummer seems to have hired Bush's speech writers. All that is missing is for Obummer to give us a mission statement, preferably when he is not loaded on coke.
"Ukraine Admits Resurgent Separatists Extend Control All The Way To Sea Of Azov"
and that's why now is the time to bomb syria
also, because scottish independence
hugs,
miss south carolina
Drones are being retargeted toward Glasgow even as we speak.
This is not for the feint of heart, but this should explain something about the "rebels" and what kind of sick fucks they are fighting against in Kiev;
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/2014/09/why-novorussia-will-never-again...
"that the only thing that is prevent the formation of a land connection from Russia to Crimea is the city of Mariupol,"
Boris..., is that you?
As it exists between Russia and Germany, Ukraine has no good choices:
1. Remain independent and be a buffer between Russia and Germany.
2. Ally with Nato and be completely destroyed by ongoing internal strife / low intensity conflict.
3. Ally with Russia and have God-complex-ridden Americans tear the place apart trying to be world players.
Turkey / Poland are next, whether they like it or not, once the USD collapses.
The American people need to remember it was their war gods in DC who started this mess.
Iran (Mossadegh)? DC
Iraq (Saddam Hussein)? DC
Mujahedeen in Afghanistan? DC
Libya? DC
Ukraine? DC
Anyone may feel free to add to the list.
The correct term i believe is pro-Russian Russians.
It may be abbreviated to simply Russian Russians.
Even briefer is the term Russians.
I like maps with pretty colors.
"Ukraine Admits Resurgent Separatists Extend Control All The Way To Sea Of Azov"
So, the Eastern Front is moving West? Sounds like the Eastern Pro-Independence Fighters (aka Rebels) need to move the Front far enough to the west, to keep their key cities and airports out of Ukie artillery range.
Remember these lines? 1. The Russians are coming*, the Russians are coming! 2. First we take Kiev, then we take Berlin!
* FYI, in 1945 as Russian troops were nearing Germany, and Germans knew that Retribution was coming, German women decide to get pregnant by Germans rather than by Russian troops. Which is why there was quite a baby boom in East Germany in 1945-46.
I wish they would swap Miss S. Carolina for State spox, she'd at least be a lot nicer. That snotty, ill-read, uninformed, and poorly spoken Psaki is almost as annoying as Nuland.
The Russian blitzkrieg is surely going to be spectacular. Squashing those NATO forces like the cockroaches they are
"Russian blitzkrieg" does not exist, they wouldn't need two weeks to reach Kiev if they did. Just a different means of attack not a shortcoming.
It appears the major players have new weapons they want to try out in Ukraine and Syria.
Exactly.
Low intensity military operations with plausible deniability, and see what the West does.
EU?: You've got them locked up with Gazprom. Thier flaccid military and economic bankruptcy also ties their hands.
China?: You just bought them off.
Japan?: They are so broke, old and irradiated they don't know which way is up. Besides, they're worried about China anyway.
US?: You've got Bambi chasing ISIS with 40% of the military of Bush II, the country is broke, in an 6 year recession and led by a thousand clowns.
So? Run low intensity military operations with plausible deniability, and see what the West does. Who knows, you might get part or all of: Estonia, Georgia, Belarus, Moldova, etc.
Re darteaus
There is something to that in Ukraine as there are willing natives to do the fighting. Outside of Ukraine who will the Russians get to do the fighting.
I do not know the areas and would not know if there were unsatisfied groups (large groups) who want to change to what appears to be a better future.
Did you just call him a Re tard?
"Re tard"?!
That's a promotion!
And to the point: yes, there are willing natives, AND it appears that there are willing Russians. The two points are not mutually exclusive, right?
At the risk of beating a dead horse: If there exists Ukranian rebels/separatists fighting against the Ukrainian government, does that make it impossible that Russia funds/equips/supplies the rebels/separatists? Does that prove that no Russian "volunteers" are in the Ukraine. No, of course not.
Simliarly, if the US/EU/NATO/Blackwater are "meddling" in the area, does that prove that Russia is not "meddling"? No, of course not.
dont kid yourself, its a fuckin button push for Russians
"BlitzKrieg" (German for LightningWar) is hardly "Russian", but I get your use of it as a metaphor.
In WW2, Russians had what was the original Shock & Awe: "Stalin Pipe-Organs". The array of rocket launchers sounded like Pipe Organs from Hell, because of the death and carnage they caused. It was a Russian version of Carpet Bombing, rather than Precision Shelling. Cheap Shotgun vs Expensive Sniper Rifle. When you got plenty of the former, the latter won't last long.
But throwing bodies into the breach, and using them as Cannon Fodder is so WW1 and WW2. Russians learned a lot from Afghanistan: If you're in a hurry, you you classic WW2 warfare. If you got the time (years!), you use Asymmetric (partizan, guerrilla, insurgent) warfare. Asymmetric warfare bleeds a large army dry of their gear, personnel, morale and political support. Massive MSM Propaganda is needed to offset these debilitating effects, and even then with limited and temporary effects.
The US keeps bleeding people, equipment, morale and money in Afghanistan and Iraq. Which is why both sides (US & Allies vs Russia & Allies) are using Proxies (Useful Fools).
The Russian Way is to paint everything white, and sit back and wait..
and I see on u tube that ISIS is in El Paso and the military base on lock down and no peep anywhere about this? strange world
Thurifer, a member for five years--yeah right--with two comments. both of which are troll-ish.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/volume-0#comment-115271 Yes FIVE years. Next time, before you comment on the internet...learn how to use it.
You're still a troll--and a defensive one at that. Fuck off.
The "rebels" are Ethnic Russians living in historically russian enclaves.
p.s. the war crimes of your boyfriends ( the neo nazi militias killing ethnic russians who are firmly backed by nato ) have been recently laid bare.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/EUR50/040/2014/en/bb06b5cb-dcb4-...
So to summarize, those who think the Ujraine situation is anything but western meddling and some back room satanic cabal either trying to assert more control, or start WW3 can eat a dick straight up.
What's the difference between Russia/Crimea and the US/Guantanamo?
And how would the US react if Pakistan or anyone else wanted to put nuclear missiles on the US/Mexican border?
I'm no Putin fan, don't know the guy, but he sure as hell was elected to protect his country, and he's going to do it. More than any of us can say about the US government we elected.
'If you're a dirtbag, terrorist or disease carrier, please come across the US/Mexican border and welcome. Now sign here for all your free shit'.
uhhhh...buy buy buy?
"Bullish as a mother fucker!"™
Complete with accompanying soundtrack!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s
Haha!! Ya, what's that saying? Foolme 5 million times, shame on me? Sick of this shit. BTFD!
Finally, some good news on the Friday News Dump.
That's because it's still Thursday. ;-)
Damn... Quick, put El Presidente on teevee to muster up some support for humanitarian bombing.
Three guesses where you'll find him, or better yet, make it fore...
Re-route some bombers to the ukraine chocolate factory while that fat fuck is doing his accounting, and that would be that. A true patriotic act for america.
Love the humanitarian bombing Orwellian doublespeak
So when does England start bombing Scotland. Damn "terrorists".
Or Spain Catalans. Fortunately Cechs never bombed Slovaks.
Czechs and Slovaks were never for breakup and it was mutual agreement between politicians. Why would they bomb something if they were happy on both sides with the result on political level?
They are reasonable people. Kiev never really discussed with Donetsk and Lugansk since Maidan.
Or Canada and Quebec? Or the US and Texas?
Start with Greenock, never did like that dump.
Russia is driving Ukraine into NATO membership.
s/ tag?
That will never happen. The Russians (rightly) would annhiiate the planet before giving up Crimea. USSa wants to make the Black Sea its global center of operations. Keep on eye on what happens in Turkey over the next year.
"USSa wants to make the Black Sea its global center of operations."
You mean USSr now don´t you.
The USA wants to move to the Black Sea?
All 315 million?
But seriously, you think the US wants to make Crimea the center of USA operations?
Why?
It is over 10,000 miles away from logistical support. And there are dozens of better, more established, more easily supported places that are nearby and in friendly hands.
Why wouldn't the US simply use Turkey? There are already major bases there.
This idea is nuttier than squirrel shit.
You need to cut back on the drugs.
"This idea is nuttier than squirrel shit."
This is brilliant! +1
Post of the day.
Do you really believe that Russia is going to allow NATO to have bases right on their border? Would you if you were them?
They already have NATO bases right on their border in Latvia, Lithuania, and Kazahkstan.
They've been there (with explicit Russian Permission and active support in the case of Kazahkstan) for years.
For a land connection to Crimea you need a bit more than Mariupol though. Crimea is another 250 clicks to the west ...
INHO, the separatists do not have the resources at present to take Mariupol and defend against counter attacks from the junta coming from the north to split them up.
First they need to completely get rid of the junta pockets in Donbass.
Is there any uprising in Mariupol to help?
but the sea of azov is a shallow, brine sea? maybe easier to build a bridge?
There is ALREADY a bridge being built across the KERCH STRAIT (about 5 Km maximun) for both car and rail.
Just diversified a paycheck worth of USD into russian ruble
It's bound to be worth something someday!
Its back by a shit ton of natural resources, i'm sure it will be worth something..not to mention the Chinese will gladly accept it.
Why would the Chinese be glad to accept a currency that's been sinking into the shitter for years?
This is a Ukrainian map with info at least 10 days old. Mariupol is completely surrounded by the DPR militia and being bomabarded from two sides. The highway (escape route for the local elite) going north to Zaporyshe is under control of the DPR militia. Luhansk in the northeastt is no longer under direct threat and the LPR militia is in sight of and closing fast on Lusichansk and Severodonetsk some 50 km to its northwest. Melitipol and Berdyansk east of Mariupol and Slavyansk and Kramatorsk to the north of Donetsk are the next militia targets.
The escape Route of the Elite may be what Obama was taking about when he said the USA will wage war on What ever is in American (ETITE) Core Interests...........Check your Boot size,......You want get a size that fits........Beside Russia .....Attacking Russia.............Dieing with your boots on comes to mind.
The effort for a World War is sure being pushed..........Lets see....Who will Profit.....?
NATO will also get broken Up....................and hoping that the Central Banks FAIL. Maybe then we the people will get more than the scraps.
As for the IMF, and other American Businesses/Congress/and Banks............... Fuck of and Die.
No, it is NOT 10 days old.
The map draws a picture as it is seen from Ukrainian perspective, which until now never corelated with the reality on the ground.
This is the guy who is getting it done with the Ghost Battalion. He wants Ukrainians to stop fighting each other and to realize the oligarchs and their corruption in the Ukraine is the problem. He is not happy with the ceasefire because it only benefits Kiev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsL9G0MN6EY
MozgovoiIf Kiev doesn't face reality and offers some real status to the unwilling east, Ukraine will end up like Yugoslavia ie. a split in pieces and Russia and the West subsidizing the parts forever. An all loosers game.
The question is, whose printing press is going to run out of ink first?
So I wonder if US and Europe noticed how effectively these sepratists, backed as they were, over came the Ukraine defence forces. Doesn't bode well for Europe starting a conflict with Russia proper.
While russia may enjoy a few early successes they would in a years time find themselves in a "pickle" so to speak.
@Winston of Oceania i know you don't want to give away the {ha ha} "master plan" but care to elaborate on that?
Winston, your unsubstantiated opinion is quite worthless.
Shlomo,
We regret to inform you that there are no beach front unit(s) available for sale near the ocean in your newly appointed "homeland".
Looks like you'll be keeping that property in Israel for good!
Vicky
Son of C. Speaking of Shlomos, search for Shlomo Sand. By all appearances, a courageous and decent human being along the lines of Mordecai Venunu.
speaking of you goldiots.....lol
dont feel badly, you can always laugh at the bitconiots.
Hi fonestar
only a few negs? cmon, I know there are a lot more of you holding massive lbs. of the barbaric
If the "rebels" can't get it done then the Russian troops in Crimea will perform an envelopment from their position.
Stop whining to the press poroshenko you fag
situatzia na skodi ukraini. kinda cool to be able to tranliterate cyrillic on the fly... it'd be even cooler if I understood over 50% of what the transliteration meant.
Dobre utro!
Still a tiny speck of land. Poor bastards don't even control all of the area they're supposed to represent. Difficult to make demands at that position.
Watch and learn. They are good at what they do.
Watch this live call from Ukraine soldier to Kiev tv show with english subtitles. "The tank battle began and suddenly, their infantry was everywhere."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAviiYzl9v4
Ukraine dropped its compuslory military service years ago (so my stepson never served), so only the most unskilled and poorly-educated (who could find no ther work) would join up - and for incredibly poor pay.
When Ukrainian troops surrendered in Crimea, many Ukrainian officers and men "quit" the Ukriane military and joined the Russian military instead - keeping their current rank at DOUBLE the pay rate!!!!
Apart from the CIA-trained Right-Sector "militia", the bulk of the newly conscripted Kiev troops got 2-4 weeks of training, were poorly equipped (some without unifroms, food or even firearms or ammunition) and sent off to the front.
Their orders are issued by a President and Prime Minisiterwho make decisions after looking at map, then relayed to generals (who might know better, but are afraid to bitch!), then to commanders at the front with little or no combat experience leading men who are not sure from which end of the barrel a bullet exits.
Several months ago at the Crimia-Ukraine border, our train was boarded first by Russian troops (well-dressed, firearms in immaculate condiition, disciplined but polite), then a few minutes later by Ukrainians troops (sloppily dresssed, filthy weapons) who looked like they had just graduated from grammer school.
BTW: I now need a VISA from the Russian Consulate in Odessa in order to visit Crimea. On on next visit to Crimea, I will apply for a "permanent visa" for entry into Russia (Crimea). Of note were the HUNDREDS of Ukrainian citizens lined up outside the Russian Consulate in order to get OUT of Ukraine and into Russia - hopefully to get Russian passports. We waited over 2.5 hours in the line for people with RUSSIAN PASSPORTS (my wife). Those without Ukrainian passports must have been there all day OR until the Consulate closed for the day !!!!
Maybe one day in the future,
We'll ALL be Separatists. Again.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Ben Franklin
- What Our Forefathers Thought.comHere is a military map through 2 September in English!
http://slavyangrad.org/map-of-hostilities-02092014/
Why the Donbass will never be ruled by Kiev again:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/09/why-novorussia-will-never-agai...
The Separatist Army (NAF) doesn't have the man power to take and hold a land bridge to the Crimea even taking Mariupol will strain them. There really isn't any point in it either, it's Russian territory defended by their forces, they have a short water passage directly to Russia in the eastern side and they can airlift anything they need in. The NAF will rather move to the north and recapture its lost territory first.
A documentary (1:30 hr) on the neoNazis in Ukraine to just after the Odessa massacre can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtvrV_ifhx0EDhmPPRl7adQ
It has English subtitles without much personal commentary but is well worth the view (scenes from inside the trade union building during the attack)
Colonel Cassad appears to have shut down the English translation site. NAF has to be careful not to get stretched as Saker has been saying, i really like the guy who is friends with Strelkov (/) who commands his ghost battalion of about 1,000 men. He is appealing to Ukrainians to stop killing each other for the vermin in Kiev.
There are almost endless videos now of captured Ukrainian conscripts and how they were lied to and have been forced to fight against their neighbors. Most of them do not want any part of it. Sickening but the typical evil of the NWO.
It looks when the junta redeploys its remmaining armor to Maripol in the south, the militia attacks the thinned ranks to the nirth of Luhansk.
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A commenter on Saker's site said that the English translation of Colonel Cassad's site was frozen by the Live Journal service. The translator is reportedly trying to get it unblocked.
In the meantime, you can view the original Russian version of Colonel Cassad's site, machine-translated to English by Yandex, using the following link:
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.en/colonelcassad.livejournal.com
idem
what about a Russian caliphate
to rid us of the current global Jew caliphate? Yes please!
This seems to me old news. A delayed admission by Kiev of the actual situation some 2 weeks ago.
The situation now is different and the Russian sources I read do not mention any significan offensive operations ATM.
Just the "violent" truce with local fire exchanges.
How long until the imperial powers argue the Islamic State is operating in Ukraine and take their coalition of the willing there?
http://olduvai.ca
Apparently, the Ukrainian government uses the ceasefire not for peaceful purposes, but to "amass heavy weapons for a fight".
At the same time, Russia plans to build a pipeline to Donetsk and restore the railroad to ensure the warm winter there.
I hope they do build a pipeline to East Ukraine.
As I mentioned in other posts, Russia should realize the old Kiev pipeline now called the Kiev-Hunter Biden pipeline is finished for nat gas due to theft etc. Russia should just pump their sewage through those lines to Kiev.
Why does that map only have one "C" in Rossiya ?
ukraine left to fend for itself with "boomerang sanctions"
meantime obama is fully focused on FERGUSON and another one of his "sons"
for the first time in history a president did not attend the funeral of a flag officer or even send a rep....but he sent 3 to Ferguson, plus sicked the AG to see "justice"
Obama, Biden and Hagel Ignore Tradition, Skips Funeral, Golfs Instead
The highest ranking officer to be killed in combat since Vietnam had his funeral on Thursday. The President, Vice President and Secretary of Defense chose not to attend. To make matter’s worse the president was golfing at the time of the funeral.
Did you expect anything else? Honor may be the greatest reason the US military remains strong, yet we are seeing that eroded away piece by piece.
What do you expect ?
While the flower of American youth fought and died in South East Asia, Barak drove a "CHOOM WAGON" ...
Elect a CSN, you get a CSN.
Any good surfing there?
Charlie don't surf
Perhaps there is a push to set up the land bridge more for when 'peace' finally erupts from the cold chambers of the EU leadership. Putin will have won on the natty gas front, so he can demand some significant concessions. And those concessions will likely include both the land bridge AND the removal of some NATO bases close to Russia. Putin likely sees the many strategic benefits if he can outlast the natty gas wars.
I have a feeling that rather than the "situation as of today" this map was really more like the "situation as of August 25th" when they claimed a "Russian invasion" was responsible for their heavy losses to the rebels. I also have a feeling they are leaving out numerous other advances in areas where "Russian invasion" doesn't explain their defeat quite as convincingly.
As noted before, they lost all of the southern Luhansk border region back in August 6:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/12/ukrainian-troops-retrea...
Did not admit it in their map until August 27th:
https://twitter.com/NSDC_ua/status/504569391867252736/photo/1
Two days after the "Russian invasion" started. Convenient eh?
Maybe this new map is Kiev tring to undo the ceasefire by making the West think it is being broken severely by the rebels so they can break it when they feel ready and able, when in reality they lost this territory two weeks ago just as the "Russian invasion" happened.
The wildcard for the West, Israel, like last year, is Russia. Russia does not want to see Israel's pipeline go through and threaten their monopoly of supplying gas to Europe, risk their base at Tartus and also lose an arms customer.
Seems to me that the West's strategy is to now let the Russians take and have the Eastern Ukraine if they will acquiesce to the West's, Israel's, machinations in Syria.
An American, not US subject.
Wait..theres a civil war in Ukraine? ..
nonstop
« Meanwhile, for some inexplicable reason, the myth that a "ceasefire" continues is propagated by both Moscow and Kiev... »
A screen shot, March 4, 2014, from a City of Kiev site, much before Crimea became part of Russia after the referendum. Notice the four maps of Ukraine, then focus attention on the fourth one : On the fourth map, Crimea already isn't part of Ukraine anymore :
http://electrodes.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/maps_saisie_ecran_kiev-ukr...
One can also read this : « Maps coming soon… Come and visit this page in few weeks… »
On the current site today, the page seems to be the same :
http://www.kiev-ukraine-information.com/kiev-ukraine-maps.htm
Nothing to write home about, maybe, but I like to write anyway, so, and yes, there are certainly «inexplicable reasons» for many things here.
Also : We don't hear much about Crimea anymore in the mass or mainstream corporate media -- or generally on the internet.
I am an AMERICAN who has lived permanently in Ukraine since 2009 and traveled extensively throughout Ukraine and the neighboring countries.
What Kiev fears most is that the "rebels" will take Mariupol, then proceed west along Highway E-58 taking Kherson (on the Dnieper River) to Melitopol. then onto Mikolaev (Nickolaev) - creating a massive "land bridge" between Ukraine and Crimea, then straight into Odessa. This is the ONLY reason Kiev has agreed to a "cease fire" and negotiations!
Odessa is the main port in Ukraine and without it, the Kiev government is dead. The rebel forces could simply head 60 Km to the northwest to link up with the extremely well-equipped and VERY pro-Russian Transdnestr army and the 2,000 Russian regular army troops their. (Transdnestr has TWICE voted overwhelmingly in referenda to declare its independence from Moldava and to join the Russian Federation.)
What many foreigners do NOT know is that southern Ukraine is VERY anti-Kiev, especially in Odessa. )Forget the "Odessa Massacre" in which 40-plus Odessans were burned alive in a fire set by Right-Sector fanatics. These Right-Sector folks were bussed in from Kiev and do NOT represent the people of Odessa.
Odessa, much like eastern Ukraine, especially hates to be "dictated to" by the oligarchs in Kiev - when the main source of income for Ukraine are the mines and industries in eastern Ukraine and the port of Odessa, also a literally a "tourist paradise" which draws HUGE numbers of Russian and Western tourists eager to throw away their money- which Kiev sucks away.
Thus, the rebel armies would be wlecomed as they moved along the southern coast to Odessa, with many people volunteering to fight the pro-Kiev forces. Such a military maneuver would split Ukraine in half, cutting off the Kiev government from the sea - and from its most profitable cities.
That is why Kiev MUST stop the rebel movement at Mariupol and is the SOLE REASON Kiev is now willing to enage in a "cease fire" and negotiations at this time.
I would add that I do NOT think that the people of Odessa would vote to join the Russian Federation, but would much prefer total INDEPENDENCE from the corrupt Kiev government, perhaps forming a FEDERATION with other oblasts in southern and eastern Ukraine, along with the Transdnestr Republic.
John-Henry Hill, M.D.
retired physician
If the freedom fighters gain control of Mariupol
then continue on to form a land bridge between
Rostov and Crimea, Russia could well be persuaded
to foot a large part of the bill for reconstruction of
the lands devastated by Kiev if they could make
an arrangement with Novorossiya along the lines
China has made with Pakistan in forming the
China-Pakistan economic corridor.
I am quite sure Novorossia will be quite amenable to this
What should be "inexplicable" is why anyone takes the NSDC's maps as accurate and timely:
https://twitter.com/PersonofAwesome/status/510124570699780096
Yet a Swedish ambassador is apparently eating their shit with a spoon:
https://twitter.com/Olofeh/status/510100871922061313
Kiev seems to want to end the ceasefire without having to be seen as breaking it.