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Obama’s ISIS War Is Not Only Illegal, It Makes George W. Bush Look Like A Constitutional Scholar

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Rudderless and without a compass, the American ship of state continues to drift, guns blazing.

 

- Andrew J. Bacevich, the Boston University political science professor and former Army colonel who lost his son in the Iraq war in 2007, in a recent Reuters article.

I have spent the past several days outlining my deep concerns about the “ISIS crisis” and Obama’s willingness to employ extreme propaganda in order to once again embark on another poorly thought out military campaign here and here. What I have also come to realize is that his latest war plan is brazenly illegal and unconstitutional.

 

While critics have been questioning the legality of U.S. military campaigns consistently since the end of World War II, one trend has become increasingly clear. With each new President and each new war, we have witnessed those who hold the office act more and more like dictators, and less and less like constitutional executives.

One very important, and up until recently, overlooked point about Obama’s latest “war on ISIS” is that this is not at all just more of the same. This crosses yet another very important line of shadiness, and if we as as American public allow him to do so, we will suffer grave long-term consequences to our economic future as well as our liberties. This is very serious stuff.

No one has outlined this point better than Bruce Ackerman, a professor of law and political science at Yale, in yesterday’s New York Times op-ed: Obama’s Betrayal of the Constitution. He writes:

BERLIN — PRESIDENT OBAMA’s declaration of war against the terrorist group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria marks a decisive break in the American constitutional tradition. Nothing attempted by his predecessor, George W. Bush, remotely compares in imperial hubris.

 

Mr. Bush gained explicit congressional consent for his invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. In contrast, the Obama administration has not even published a legal opinion attempting to justify the president’s assertion of unilateral war-making authority. This is because no serious opinion can be written.

 

This became clear when White House officials briefed reporters before Mr. Obama’s speech to the nation on Wednesday evening. They said a war against ISIS was justified by Congress’s authorization of force against Al Qaeda after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that no new approval was needed.

 

But the 2001 authorization for the use of military force does not apply here. That resolution — scaled back from what Mr. Bush initially wanted — extended only to nations and organizations that “planned, authorized, committed or aided” the 9/11 attacks.

 

Not only was ISIS created long after 2001, but Al Qaeda publicly disavowed it earlier this year. It is Al Qaeda’s competitor, not its affiliate.

 

Mr. Obama may rightly be frustrated by gridlock in Washington, but his assault on the rule of law is a devastating setback for our constitutional order. His refusal even to ask the Justice Department to provide a formal legal pretext for the war on ISIS is astonishing.

 

Senators and representatives aren’t eager to step up to the plate in October when, however they decide, their votes will alienate some constituents in November’s midterm elections. They would prefer to let the president plunge ahead and blame him later if things go wrong. But this is precisely why the War Powers Resolution sets up its 60-day deadline: It rightly insists that unless Congress is willing to stand up and be counted, the war is not worth fighting in the name of the American people.

 

But for now the president seems grimly determined to practice what Mr. Bush’s lawyers only preached. He is acting on the proposition that the president, in his capacity as commander in chief, has unilateral authority to declare war.

 

In taking this step, Mr. Obama is not only betraying the electoral majorities who twice voted him into office on his promise to end Bush-era abuses of executive authority. He is also betraying the Constitution he swore to uphold.

Think about this for a second. Barack Obama is using the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), which allowed for military action against “nations and organizations that planned, authorized, committed or aided the 9/11 attacks.” ISIS wasn’t even a twinkle in Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s eye back in September 2001. Even more stunning, ISIS and al-Qaeda more closely resemble enemies than allies. Yet this doesn’t seem to affect Nobel Peace Prize winning Barry Obama’s war planning. You can’t get much more insane and Orwellian than that.

Who cares right? This won’t ever affect you. So what if some bombs fall on innocent Arab civilians? Wrong.

One of the most terrifying aspects of this whole war push if Obama is able to pull it off, is that the reasoning (or lack thereof) could ultimately be applied to the detention of U.S. citizens indefinitely without a trial.

Yes, what I am referring to is the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, which allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without a trial. I covered this frequently several years ago when Chris Hedges and others were suing the Obama Administration regarding the constitutionality of this law. In fact, one of my most popular posts ever was, NDAA: The Most Important Lawsuit in American History that No One is Talking About.

One of the ways in which the U.S. government has defended the NDAA is by saying it can only be used against “a person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.” Glenn Greenwald noted in Salon in his, Three Myths About the Detention Bill, that:

Section 1021 of the NDAA governs, as its title says, “Authority of the Armed Forces to Detain Covered Persons Pursuant to the AUMF.”  The first provision — section (a) — explicitly “affirms that the authority of the President” under the AUMF  ”includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons.” The next section, (b), defines “covered persons” — i.e., those who can be detained by the U.S. military — as “a person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.” 

Notice that the above says “pursuant to the AUMF,” which is the exact law the Obama Administration is using to justify his latest war. If he is able to start a war with ISIS based on the AUMF, despite the fact that ISIS and al-Qaeda are not allies at all, he or a future President could similarly use the AUMF and the NDAA to imprison anyone, anywhere for an indefinite amount of time based on the same absurd non-claim.

Let this all sink in for a second. Do you still support these ISIS strikes?

 

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Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:13 | 5213082 holdbuysell
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Must. Get. Qatar. Pipeline. Installed. At. All. Costs.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:16 | 5213090 90's Child
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Cause

Winter is coming.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:32 | 5213139 knukles
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War is a Racket in Dire Need of a Perpetual Enemy

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:06 | 5213223 A Lunatic
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I dislike him being President too. I guess we have something in common after all.......

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:21 | 5213254 Yes We Can. But...
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If you're wife is revolting, there's another commonality.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:23 | 5213368 McMolotov
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I keep hoping there's another terrorist organization out there called VAG that will eventually merge with ISIL to form...

VAGISIL®.

Ask for it by name.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 06:42 | 5213624 negative rates
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Todays politicians have a list as long as my arm on breaking the constitution, they refuse to talk about, do anything about it, or even care anything about it. But that doesn't mean the consequences won't have to be paid, so for now, lets not talk about that either, cause I know who wins at the end.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:24 | 5213736 kill switch
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Todays politicians have a list as long as my arm on breaking the constitution, they refuse to talk about, do anything about it, or even care anything about it.

 

That's because the NSA has them all by the balls..

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:56 | 5213855 Anusocracy
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The current state of American political affairs shows two things:

1) Americans are no better than the people of any other country.

2) The Constitution won't stop a bullet.

So much for the Shining City on top of a dump site.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:35 | 5214027 James_Cole
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http://online.wsj.com/articles/wsj-nbc-poll-finds-that-almost-two-thirds...

It's not like american public are against this. To get into iraq it took repeated bullshit about mushroom clouds and some extremely tortured logic about saddam being connected to 9/11. To get back into iraq and newly into syria it's taken two beheadings. 

To get into Russia, more mushroom clouds?

Obamas speech the other day sounded just as batshit as anything the bush admin came up with, but nobody seemed to notice or care. 

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 18:10 | 5214595 Bay of Pigs
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You mean the American public is brainwashed don't you? (via MSM propaganda).

Btw, there is zero evidence that any beheadings actually took place.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 18:23 | 5214617 Dugald
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but nobody seemed to notice or care.

Why would they, the spice keeps flowing...........

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:48 | 5213938 SAT 800
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Probably a significant factor.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 18:21 | 5214613 g speed
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kill switch

That's because the NSA has them by the foreskin--there -fixed it for ya

Mon, 09/15/2014 - 21:09 | 5220836 kill switch
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Not if there jewish!!!

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:41 | 5213756 messymerry
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Mr. Obama knew when he first ran for Prezzzz. Thus the establishment of the DHS:

...and I quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s (20 sec. long)

There's going to be rivers of blood.

All 87,504* branches of the U.S. govt are complete psychopaths. In the immortal words of Morpheus to Mr. Smith, "You all look the same to me."

*How many governments exist in the United States?
The 1997 Census of Government says it best...

"There were 87,504 governmental units in the United States as of June 1997. In addition to the Federal Government and the 50 state governments, there were 87,453 units of local government. Of these, 39,044 are general purpose local governments - 3,043 county governments and 36,001 subcounty general purpose governments, including 13,726 school distict governments and 34,683 special district governments." -http://geography.about.com/library/faq/blqzusgovernments.htm

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:40 | 5213821 El Oregonian
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ISIS = "I-INSIST, on the authority to do whatever I desire."- King Bari

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:34 | 5213913 lincolnsteffens
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They forgot to add in government agencies or quasi government agents that act by agreement with the government. IRS is a prime example as they have government delegated police authority. Federal Reserve is another and there are lots of smaller ones. Hows about Treasury Agents employed by the Dept. of the Treasury that doesn't even have a treasury to defend as it is empty except for IOU's.

We all live in a penal colony as slaves in debtor's prison. Even those who don't have any of their own debt obligations have debt obligations placed upon them by government. Most of us have this debt since birth unless you were born before 1933. How many of you knowingly agreed to accept this debt? Born into debt slavery, still in debt slavery and "sold down the river".

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:21 | 5213796 Escrava Isaura
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Mike Krieger wrote:

“With each new President and each new war, we have witnessed those who hold the office act more and more like dictators, and less and less like constitutional executives.”

 

A letter to Mr. Krieger

 

Dear Mr. Krieger, United States of America was NEVER a Constitution.

 

Heck, the Soviet Union was more constitutional than America. The Soviet Union was constitutionally composed of 15 republics, two of which – Ukraine and Belarus – had their own seats at the United Nations.

 

Mr. Krieger, US is a declining Empire that is heavily in debt, but that still accustomed within consumption.

 

To service its $42 trillion dollars in private debt, plus $17+ trillion dollars in federal debt, $5 trillion debt in state and local governments, pension plans’ debt… and the list of debts goes on YOU NEED TO HAVE PRODUCTION AND CONSUMPTION GROWTH so you can pay the interest charges on these debts.

 

GOT IT?

 

 

Sun, 09/14/2014 - 00:15 | 5215387 JinLuw
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If I recall correctly, quite many slave owners were instrumental in either creating or supporting US documents which one had included, "all men are created equal".

 

Some US slave owners think a land abides in which, "all men are created equal" and openly own slaves.

It looks like the great US of hypocrisy, is doing what is has always done best. Lie.

 

Sun, 09/14/2014 - 00:13 | 5215388 JinLuw
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duplicate.

 

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:00 | 5213776 MayIMommaDogFac...
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VAG-ISIL

Careful -- you might get your "head" cut off.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:45 | 5213828 StupidEarthlings
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There is..its :Vigilantes Against Government. 

Toss that group in with isil and your golden.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:47 | 5213936 SAT 800
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LOL !!

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:24 | 5213373 palmereldritch
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Being a former law professor explains why Obama prefers the acronym for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant,

ISILlegal baby

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:44 | 5213825 CrazyCatLady
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I am wondering if this story has anything to do with the recent media blips about american sympathizers wanting to join ISIS.  Seems like the NDAA turn the article took is foreshadowing americans being rounded up as well under suspicion of aiding the enemy.  Just a thought.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:58 | 5213961 americanspirit
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It all depends on what your definition of "substantially supported" is.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:13 | 5213719 post turtle saver
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Obama is a post turtle

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:42 | 5213927 forensicator
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I wish he would quit already and start his free golf for life. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/11/donald-trump-offers-obam...

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 15:30 | 5214290 Sirius Wonderblast
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He's welcome to do so.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:10 | 5213312 intric8
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While Israel (who this is really all about) is tied up dodging poorly fired rockets from blind guys in gaza, more goyim are tasked to die defending their cause. THANKS OBAMA!

 

Bozo to Journalists: IF YOU WANT YOUR HEAD YOU CAN KEEP YOUR HEAD (GULP)

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:39 | 5213465 curbjob
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Yup ... Israels iron dome sits  on top of Americas moral compass.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 03:16 | 5213529 free_lunch
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World.

Domination.

Install.

Puppet-government.

Everywhere.

(Like the ones in Europe)

 

 

Search youtube: " Joe Rogan war "

 

Special thanks to: IMF - BIS -Worldbank -UN - NATO - MIC - highlevel-Freemasonry - TPTB - FED -ECB

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:11 | 5213349 McMolotov
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"There are things in the Constitution that have been overtaken by events, by time. Declaration of war is one of them... Inappropriate, anachronistic, it isn't done anymore."

—Henry Hyde, Republican chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, in response to Ron Paul requesting a formal declaration of war against Iraq

It has become quite obvious in the years following 9/11 that the entire Constitution has been deemed "inappropriate and anachronistic." We now have rule by fiat, and the law be damned. This government is out of control, and those within it who are not willfully participating in the destruction of this country are passively allowing it to occur due to their ignorance and inaction.

DC — the Den of Criminality — should rightfully be burned to the ground.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:42 | 5213404 falconflight
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We killed by most accepted accounts well over a million Vietnamese without a declaration of war and upon a fairly well accepted premise that the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was either a straight up lie or was greatly embellished.  Don't forget how this undeclared war, combined with the War on Poverty, caused the US to default, refuse to repatriate gold reserves, and embezzled the social security trust fund.  

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:17 | 5213439 LetThemEatRand
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"There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others."

-Niccolo Machiavelli (the guy that Ayn Rand wanted to be).

 

 

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:32 | 5213817 Calmyourself
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Go unionize your workforce...

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:22 | 5213731 darkpool2
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And this is partly why Scotland and Catalonia etc are related and important.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:54 | 5213768 duo
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ISIS has territory, a flag, and uniforms.  Have they stopped being a terrorist organization by now?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:42 | 5213930 SAT 800
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"Citizen, we have always been at war with SouthEast Asia".

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:00 | 5213965 auntiesocial
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hate to be cliche... BUT- All wars are bankers wars. Fund both sides and collect interest. Rinse. Wash. Repeat.

 

"Hey Major... Isn't that our old HUMVEE?"

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:06 | 5213982 auntiesocial
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MATH QUESTION: How much interest did the Banksters earn off of the Iraq Wars? 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:42 | 5213153 Joe Trader
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When russia invades another country - ZH writes "putin strong like bull, do what want"

When the US does anything - ZH whines "not legal, not legal"

 

The Iraqis should pay with oil for costs & huge surcharge - it's not that hard/unreasonable to demand. Plus innocent lives are being saved.

Also holes in the argument that Guantanamo detainees should be treated as US citizens - given that they're trying to turn the UK, France, & the entire west into a Bosnia. US politicians and these groups are threats to America and the west - that must be clarified - if it isn't, then you're giving them a free pass to use and abuse citizenship.

 

1. Make Iraq pay with oil for any air strikes.

2. Get rid of Obama & Republicrats

3. Close the borders to the middle east + mexico

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:58 | 5213194 Andre
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First I assume you are talking about the Russian "invasion" of the Ukraine. As has been pointed out - if Russia had actually invaded the Ukraine, Kiev would have fallen long ago. Yes, arms and a few troops have filtered into East Ukraine. It is an asymmetric reply to Nuland's destabilization which installed a bunch of Nazi wackjobs. Live with it. Alternatively, explain why "US helping Al-Quaeda and ISIS good, Russia helping East Ukraine bad". No, I have not forgotten Georgia. I need to research that.

On Gitmo, something like 1/3 have been cleared for release because they never did anything. Period. So we are keeping them... why? (I have a few ideas, and the aren't good.)

Closing the border was/is a good idea, let's not forget the Demreps to the Republicrats, and last I heard the US had no borders with the middle east unless something has seriously changed in the last few hours.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:59 | 5213200 BraveSirRobin
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"When russia invades another country - ZH writes "putin strong like bull, do what want"

When the US does anything - ZH whines "not legal, not legal""

So true - so sad. Lot's of supressed homo-erotic lust for Putin on this site. 

So here it is- Obama and Putin are BOTH greesy slimy dictators. You cannot logically like one and dislaike the other.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:04 | 5213217 BraveSirRobin
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Ha ha - look at all guys wanting Putin to put something ina stinky place down arrow me.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:35 | 5213282 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Ha dude I like what you are trying to do, I've tried it myself several times. Too many people here are stuck in the 'Obama is bad, therefore Putin must be good'. Can't wrap their heads around the fact that both are authoritarians and no friends of liberty. Constantly talking up Putin is a curious contradiction for a supposedly libertarian/anarchist group. The same thing happens if you criticize some in the right like Sarah palin or mark levin. I've been reading on here a lot longer than I've been commenting, and it's disappointing to see it go this way. Some have said it started when drudge started posting links, which may explain the neocons but not the Putin love fest.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:53 | 5213315 FreeMktFisherMN
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I agree that statism is statism. I think it makes economic sense for these emerging nations like the BRICS to bypass the dollar as the US is not the engine of economic growth. Consuming is not the difficullty; producing is, so why ship that off for someone in the US to squander on consumption.

This 'West is good guys, East is bad guys' narrative is nauseating. The East's actions if anything are far more defensible, and  those 'separatists' wanted to be identified as Russian, so that is secession that they took into their own hands. 

 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:59 | 5213320 LetThemEatRand
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"Some have said it started when drudge started posting links..."

Not just the posters are responsible for the new Drudge-friendly version of ZH.  Also the new Tylers.  There's dollars to be made banging that drum.

Drudge 2 -- the Second One.

His name was Tyler Durden.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:09 | 5213429 Slave
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Except Drudgies (and the rest of the GOP) hate Putin and Russia.

Funny how you libs never realized that.

Case in point: nmewn

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:24 | 5213444 LetThemEatRand
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You crack me up.  And by the way, you just identified yourself as a Drudgie.  Which is one of the (many reasons) you crack me up.   And once again I find myself in the strange position of being grouped in with Nmewn.  He and I have both told each other to go fuck themselves more times than I can count, yet apparently we have more in common here than the new ZH.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:24 | 5213448 Slave
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How did I identify myself as a Drudgie?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:28 | 5213451 LetThemEatRand
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So you agree that Matt Drudge is a complete douchebag?  I'll take it back if you agree.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:29 | 5213452 Slave
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Drudge and nmewn are neocons. I can't stand neocons. All the Drudgies and neocons are beating the drums of war against Russia. GOP's been wanting this shitstorm for decades.

I frequent Drudge as often as I frequent HuffPo, daily. Doesn't make me a follower of either.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:32 | 5213456 LetThemEatRand
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So you agree that Matt Drudge is a complete douchebag?  I'll take it back if you agree.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:34 | 5213458 Slave
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lol...yes Matt Drudge is a complete douchebag. And so much more I'd like to call him but I'd get banned again for saying it.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:36 | 5213461 LetThemEatRand
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Cool.  Retracted and my apologies.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:17 | 5213727 nmewn
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"Drudge and nmewn are neocons."

So, if I follow your logic, Saint Pooty is a neocon. Just how long is his "training exercise" at the border going to go on? And the members of ICICLE, they neocons too?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:19 | 5213794 Slave
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Yep, Putin is definitely a neocon when all the neocons want to kill him. /sarc

I think you should retire.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:27 | 5213807 nmewn
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Pretty sure Saint Pooty is the one arming rebels and driving tanks around inside Ukraine. Or you sayin the Ukraine is invading Russia?

That'd kinda be like Burma attacking China wouldn't it, some sorta death wish.

Maybe you should take the blindfold off and the fingers out of your ears.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:38 | 5214032 Anusocracy
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Putin is more of a conservative than the typical conservative in the US.

In the US, most conservatives have morphed into neocons.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:54 | 5214061 Anusocracy
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I will say you are making yourself look like an ass by using the name 'Saint Pooty'. Until the US closes down its 700 bases throughout the world and brings its troops home, the problem is the US, not Russia and Putin.

Your interest is in ingroup-outgroup conflict, not something principled like freedom FROM government.

As evidence, consider your impeccable lack of reality concerning just exactly how Ukraine came to be in the mess it is in.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 14:40 | 5214219 Sandmann
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800 bases

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 15:48 | 5214317 Anusocracy
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It's hard to keep up.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:23 | 5213447 falconflight
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ZH is a part of ABC Media right?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:30 | 5213454 LetThemEatRand
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ABC Media is an eastern european company that has nothing to do with American Broadcasting Company.  No clue if the original Tyler was eastern European, or if he just used that identity.  Once was that the Tylers concealed their true identity so they could speak the truth, and ABC Media was a mystery.  Now it doesn't really matter.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:53 | 5213769 messymerry
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Tyler Durden doesn't exist. He's a creation of the NSA to have ZH as a honey pot. Tyler Durden does not exist.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:07 | 5213781 Sandmann
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character in a novel dear chap

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:11 | 5213784 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Tyler Durden does not exist.

"You told us you would say that Mr. Durden"

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:44 | 5213926 Emergency Ward
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ur fukkin nuts, haven't you seen the movie?  the movie does not exist.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:43 | 5213931 Emergency Ward
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Brad Pitt is Tyler Durden

Tyler Durden is Edward Norton

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:32 | 5214022 messymerry
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How could someone gig me a -1 on this post??? Clearly the Durdenites are not amused...

pause

pause

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 16:28 | 5214407 Emergency Ward
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I actually gave you a +1.

Sun, 09/14/2014 - 15:13 | 5216727 messymerry
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WTF! Who downrated you???  Some of the TLA fundamnetalists have no sense of humor. 

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:02 | 5213968 Bay of Pigs
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Daniel Ivandjiiski was one of the original Tylers. Pretty sure he is long gone by now, probably sipping drinks on a nice beach somewhere.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 05:09 | 5213588 Lea
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BraveSirRobin,

Please don't project your personal sexual fantasies on others, that's a good guy.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 02:25 | 5213501 Gold Eyed Cat
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Robin, Putin loves Russia and his only goal is to rebuild her, strengthen her position in the world, and better the lives of the Russian people. 

Obama shits on America daily and hopes we all fucking die.

If you hold it up to the light just right, you can see the difference.

 

 

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 03:00 | 5213535 Moe Howard
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Putin and Russia do not use the United States Constitution to justify what they do militarily.

 

Oddly they have their own set of laws that govern how they do things.

 

Comparing the two is not valid.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:51 | 5213948 SAT 800
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Oh yes I can logically hate one and approve of the other; and I do; and homo-erotic lust has nothing to do with it. I'll leave that to you since you seem to be an expert on the subject.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:03 | 5213214 Wahooo
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Which country has Putin invaded?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:19 | 5213792 XitSam
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Georgia

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 21:28 | 5215136 XitSam
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OK, who are the retarded fucks that think Putin didn't invade Georgia?

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:31 | 5213266 robertocarlos
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The saying "strong like bull" also has the implication that the subject is about as smart as a bull. It's not a compliment.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:43 | 5213471 jballz
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You have your head in the Kool aid.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_industry_in_Iraq

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 03:15 | 5213541 free_lunch
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One day, when you grow up, you will learn the difference between offensive and defensive use of lethal force.

 

(self)defensive force is fighting for your life when your home(town) is being attacked.

Aggressive force is going to somebody else his/her home(town) and shoot/shell them.

 

 

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 07:22 | 5213648 Cloud9.5
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Russia is not my country. The U.S. is.  My concern is with us.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:53 | 5213952 SAT 800
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My concern is with us too; and with the fact that Putin isn't our President and you know what, is.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 08:10 | 5213679 Urban Redneck
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To conflate overt and covert foreign military intervention, and ignore the practical, military, foreign policy and legal distinctions between the two is a level of trolling (or demonstration of a lack of comprehension) worthy of a school child.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:07 | 5213780 Sandmann
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When the US does anything - ZH whines "not legal, not legal"

 Exactly the point made by Adolf Hitler when reflecting on how the USA dealt in the Spanish-American War and how they sorted out their Indian Problem

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:24 | 5213116 petkovplamen
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I.Don't. Think. So.

Why? Because that pipeline clearly benefits Turkey yet Turkey just refused to help USA. Try again.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:27 | 5213122 i_call_you_my_base
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Turkey has to refuse, what they actually do is a different story.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:39 | 5213160 FeralSerf
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Why doesn't the Emir start digging across KSA and Jordan to his pals in Israel?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:02 | 5213329 Freddie
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Liberals still love Obama and would vote for him again and again.  ZH still has quite a few of them.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 02:19 | 5213500 Bananamerican
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That's bullshit you partisan putz

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 10:49 | 5213836 Calmyourself
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How stupid did people have to be to vote for him twice after a clear record of trashing OUR Constitution, Not Russia's ours! 

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 23:37 | 5215344 StychoKiller
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The Romneylan siphoned off too many Ron Paul votes, so Mr. Paul had no chance of winning.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 02:32 | 5213513 John_Coltrane
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So true.  Interesting that the article stated: He is also betraying the Constitution he swore to uphold.

So, forging a birth certificate, using multiple SS #s etc. of dead people are not violations of the constitution?  I think he had no problem violating the constitution long before his so-called "election".    His goal is simple, destroy America as rapidly as possible while getting in a much golf as possible.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 03:01 | 5213536 Moe Howard
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Notice each time he was sworn in a President there was a "glitch" including the seond private unflimed swearing in the first time he was "elected".

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:37 | 5213353 williambanzai7
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Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:44 | 5213467 LetThemEatRand
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I love your work even though you are a misguided, young Centaur guy.  You'll see in time that Putin = Obama and CIA = KGB and vice-versa.  In the interim, you are still a brilliant artist.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:12 | 5213883 Calmyourself
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LTER, your inabilty to find and understand contrasts in this world mark you clearly as a shill.  Finding and understanding the differences before which you shallowly throw = signs is nothing more than a method of stopping the examination of evidence so your handlers have free rein.  Your shtick is old..

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:57 | 5214068 Bay of Pigs
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+1 for "shallow" reference.  

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:58 | 5213962 SAT 800
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Fool. T he CIA is running our foreign policy, whilst the KGB is defunct; passe', mort. at least try to keep up with current events.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 02:56 | 5213534 Karaio
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M * A * S * H 

Since Korea is the same thing, a diversion. 

hehe.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:12 | 5213083 piceridu
Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:28 | 5213126 Parrotile
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The more they kill, the more extremist their replacements will be.

The more extreme the next generation of followers, the greater the magnitude of violence perpetrated by the US (and their dwindling supply of "allies"), needed to "manage the situation".

So, what happens when the US can no longer "manage" the situation (loss of Reserve Currency status is coming along just fine, thanks to those "sanctions").

What happens when all those chickens decide now is the time to come home to roost??

These people have VERY long memories, and they already have quite an axe to grind against "The West". "Payback" might be pretty unpleasant, for ALL concerned.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:21 | 5213256 TheReplacement
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By that logic, since we've already killed a lot of them, we need to finish the job and kill them all?

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:20 | 5213099 disabledvet
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"Vietnam on a truly Grand Scale."

I simply ignore this stuff now it's all so unsurprising. "To be in command of the Eastern Med." that was the very essence of being British for 400 years...and so it now will be for the USA for the next 400.

Don't even get me started on the Pacific. The US Navy will be the size and quantity of Emperor Palpatine's "imperial star ships" by the time this thing reaches "appropriate" size.

We'll probably even have the Starships too...

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:32 | 5213141 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Don't even get me started on the Pacific. The US Navy will be the size and quantity of Emperor Palpatine's "imperial star ships" by the time this thing reaches "appropriate" size.

We'll probably even have the Starships too...

Only if it can all be wished into existence at zero cost.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:01 | 5213207 Parrotile
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With Russian engines?? http://rt.com/news/russian-rocket-engine-ban-039/

They were planning on designing a Chernobyl in Space ( http://au.askmen.com/entertainment/entertainment-news_100/132_russias-nuclear-spaceship.html ) but that's never "taken off" (for which we might be very thankful indeed!)

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:06 | 5213340 Ralph Spoilsport
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The US had a locomotive sized "Flying Chernobyl" called the SLAM and got it mostly working. They couldn't figure out how to test it since it belched radioactive exhaust and sprinkled radioactive dust anywhere it went.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2014/09/10/the_slam_missile_was...

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:21 | 5213102 holdbuysell
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"Mr. Obama may rightly be frustrated by gridlock in Washington, but his assault on the rule of law is a devastating setback for our constitutional order. His refusal even to ask the Justice Department to provide a formal legal pretext for the war on ISIS is astonishing"

1: Obama is running open loop on the rule of law by the direction of others

2: The gloves are off, as those 'others' are now blatantly ignoring anything close to 'rule of law' to get to the end result. Very Machiavellian.

3: Those others are panicking.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:40 | 5213162 TheFourthStooge-ing
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No, no, no, Obama is covered, he's not breaking the law. It's well established precedent, going back decades. This proves it:

(15 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HZHlygbd4I

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:44 | 5213168 holdbuysell
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Nice find. May God help the Americans.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:31 | 5213455 August
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>>>May God help the Americans.

Why, specifically?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 08:56 | 5213704 Winston Churchill
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Gott mit uns.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:03 | 5213973 SAT 800
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I upvoted you to help offset the mindless.  It is, of course, an excellent response. No God worth considering would consider helping this freak show.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:01 | 5213969 SAT 800
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About the best outcome you could wish for in that department would be if he's not paying attention to America; otherwise, I wouldn't be too optimistic about any "help" he might decide was in order. Be careful what you wish for.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:21 | 5213103 i_call_you_my_base
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This shit has been going on forever.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:24 | 5213113 Tachyon5321
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Obama's foreign policy is flaming out in a liberal burst of stupidity. 

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:29 | 5213130 nmewn
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ROTFLMAO!!!...it really is, laid bare for everyone to see.

He's going to war based on a couple of journalists being beheaded apparently. Journalists, just doing their job.

Its like, a war on "work place violence" or sumpin ;-)

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:34 | 5213149 cossack55
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"Just doing their job". Yes, but there are other places to do that job.  They knew that Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc. is where the Pulitzers grow.  Hard to get a PP covering local school boards.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 02:48 | 5213528 Otrader
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"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations - One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

"The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."

Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:15 | 5213886 Calmyourself
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Seriously, you can get a NPP, just by being elected..

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 22:57 | 5213189 tony wilson
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nmewn

journalists fuck off you talmudic twatter.

low level us aid cia spies and mossad agents, one maybe dead a year ago foley according to the un.

the new guy like you is dual citizen yidisha is very much alive and chillin on a beach in haifa

 

now get the fuck back in the kitchen darlin and make me a nice cuppa goy tea.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:08 | 5213231 nmewn
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CIA, spies, mossad, SAVAK, FSB, lions and tigers and bears, OH MY!!!

Your engrish broke down a long time ago Tony, my guess, a five foot two Paki living in Britain on welfare.

Go fuck yourself.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:35 | 5213278 falconflight
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doubleplusgood

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:35 | 5213280 Paveway IV
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+1 nmewn. That honestly made me chuckle.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:26 | 5213376 Freddie
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WTF?  F yourself.  Tony is from Poland and he hates the Devil or devils brehind the Red Shield.   English is not his first language but I enjoy his sarcasm.  

I enjoy his posts more than your shit, so why don't you just F off and go have a nice bagel.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:46 | 5213762 nmewn
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Poland huh, he told you this did he and you believed him?

And this other thing you guys enjoy doing, saying or intimating someone is joooish just to shut them up and/or degrade them...you pick that up from "Polish Tony" too?

You do realize they've finally identified Jack the Ripper as Polish and a Jew, right?

Better be careful who you associate with there Freddie boi ;-)

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 11:17 | 5213888 Calmyourself
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Freddie like some of your stuff but this geez.. Stick with hating on TV, it is much better than your later stuff..

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 12:12 | 5213994 SAT 800
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Sarcasm? He's completely crazy. He rants about Jooish conspiracies involving everyone everywhere at all times. he's a nut cake.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:04 | 5213427 OldPhart
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nmewn...

sweetest, fucked up, put down ever!  Outstanding.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 02:13 | 5213490 mc225
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you guys are all phunny phucks...

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:37 | 5213751 tony wilson
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nice name schlomo

got anything else yourself take the shot isaac : )

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:36 | 5213750 tony wilson
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with all your connections that is the best intel you can come up with.

you are super low level fella a talmudic grunt at the bottom of the kosher food chain

keep your shit comin moses it allways good to here what the satanist child rapists think.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:51 | 5213766 nmewn
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All my connections? You're fucking delusional dude, you've barely got the sleep crust out of your eyes and you're seeing jooos again.

Do you dream/have nightmares about them too?

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 00:08 | 5213343 intric8
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The dem double standards are so farcical that they can only be pushed on a population as stupid as americans.

We rush to foreign lands far away to engage in an unconstitutional war, thinking we can wipe the radical muslim element off the face of the earth while the us/mexican border remains a free for all.

If the middle east terrorists were serious, they would have greatly increased their populations in south america to exploit our ridiculous border security weakness and achieve their end. Why hasnt this happened yet? 

Maybe they are actually not as serious as we think about attacking america? DUH!

 

 

 

 

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 05:17 | 5213593 Apostate2
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You are no Professor Woland Tony. Just a minion Azazello. Remember this:

Manuscripts (or posts) do not burn. 

Pause, and think on this.


Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:02 | 5213208 BraveSirRobin
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"Its like, a war on "work place violence" or sumpin ;-)"

Absolutely brillient! It's now "The War On Work Place Violence." 

You must win some award for that. I do not know what it is, but you must win it.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:17 | 5213246 nmewn
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Spread the word, I got a million of em. I'm gonna start calling ISIS...ICICLE for the cold, hard, heartless bastards they are.

If they can't figure out what to call themselves, I will.

Maybe I can get al-Baghead to issue a fatwa on me, that'll be cool huh? ;-)

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:19 | 5213253 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Derka derka! Mohammed jihad!

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:24 | 5213261 nmewn
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Interesting isn't it?

There is no SAVAK, FSB/KGB, DGSE etc. Only Mossad & CIA.

Now, that is spooky ;-)

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:38 | 5213288 thamnosma
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Since the CIA is Mossad, there is only Mossad.  All others are a figment of our imaginations.

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 09:00 | 5213707 Winston Churchill
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More Mormon than MOSSAD.

Fri, 09/12/2014 - 23:41 | 5213297 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Every government has an intelligence service.

Not every government behaves intelligently.

Or something like that, I think...

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:01 | 5213362 intric8
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Dude isis is pathetic and needs to be wiped out, but you are Pwned and being played like a fiddle by the media

Sat, 09/13/2014 - 01:13 | 5213435 Slave
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Fox News*

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