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"Moderate" Syrian Rebels Sign Non-Aggression Pact With ISIS; Iraq Defies US
First it was the 'broad coalition' that appeared a little narrower than President Obama explained to the world last week. Today, 2 more crucial aspects of the 'strategy' appear to be faltering. Despite the promise of $500 million to train "moderate" Syrian terrorist/rebels to fight ISIS, GlobalPost reports Syrian rebels and jihadists from the Islamic State have agreed a non-aggression pact for the first time. Under the deal, "the two parties will respect a truce until a final solution is found and they promise not to attack each other because they consider the principal enemy to be the Nussayri regime." Not exactly what Obama and Kerry had in mind. But it is John Kerry's trip to Iraq that appears to have had blowback already as Reuters reports the newly installed US-friendly PM al-Adadi ordered his air force to halt strikes on civilian areas, "even in those towns controlled by ISIS," just a day after Kerry's visit (which left Turkey explaining how it would not support US airstrikes either). So far, so good?!
So, to sum up...
First, Germany and UK (and Australia) - the USA' broad coalition of allies to strike ISIS - will not support airstrikes on ISIS in Syria.
Germany and the U.K. on Thursday ruled out carrying out air strikes on Islamic State militants in Syria, a day after President Barack Obama authorized the start of U.S. air strikes there.
"We haven't been asked, nor will we do it," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters when asked about German participation in air strikes against the Islamic State, known as ISIL or ISIS, in light of Mr. Obama's speech.
"We need to be honest with ourselves in the current situation, we don't yet have a final, blanket strategy which guarantees that we'll be successful against ISIS and similar groups," the German minister said in Berlin.
His U.K. counterpart Philip Hammond explicitly ruled out air strikes in Syria, after the U.K. parliament struck down such a move last year.
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Second, Turkey - the USA's closest ally in NATO among the Middle East - denies them its airbases for use as launch sites of airstrikes and will not support airstrikes in Syria (after John Kerry visits)
US Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Ankara Friday for talks aimed at building a coalition against Islamic State jihadists, a visit that comes after Turkey said it would not allow its air bases to be used for strikes on the extremists.
The top US diplomat, touring the Middle East to establish a coalition of more than 40 countries, is to meet with Turkey's leaders including President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for talks on measures to defeat the militants in Iraq and Syria.
Turkey, a NATO member and Washington's key ally in the region, is reluctant to take part in combat operations against Islamic State militants, or allow a US-led coalition to attack jihadists from its territory.
On the eve of the visit, a Turkish official told AFP: "Our hands and arms are tied because of the hostages."
The official added that Turkey will "not be involved in any armed operation but will entirely concentrate on humanitarian operations."
IS militants hold 49 Turks hostage, including diplomats and children, abducted from the Turkish consulate in Mosul in Iraq in June.
Turkey is the only Muslim country in a coalition of 10 countries who agreed to fight ISIS at the NATO summit in Newport.
Turkey can open Incirlik Air Base in the south for logistical and humanitarian operations in any U.S.-led operation, according to the official who stressed that the base would not be used for lethal air strikes.
“Turkey will not take part in any combat mission, nor supply weapons,” he said.
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As Reuters reports,
Iraq's Shi'ite Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said on Saturday that he had ordered his air force to halt strikes on civilian areas.
"I have ordered the Iraqi Air Force to halt shelling of civilian areas even in those towns controlled by ISIS," Abadi said on his official Twitter account, using the former name for militant group Islamic State.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has been touring the Middle East to coordinate a response to Islamic State's growing power in eastern Syria and western Iraq.
Abadi said his order to protect civilians had been issued on Thursday, a day after he held talks with Kerry in Baghdad.
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Finally, The USA's proxy boots-on-the-ground - Syria's "moderate" rebels - have signed a non-aggression truce with ISIS.
Syrian rebels and jihadists from the Islamic State have agreed a non-aggression pact for the first time in a suburb of the capital Damascus, a monitoring group said on Friday.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the ceasefire deal was agreed between IS and moderate and Islamist rebels in Hajar al-Aswad, south of the capital.
Under the deal, "the two parties will respect a truce until a final solution is found and they promise not to attack each other because they consider the principal enemy to be the Nussayri regime."
But apart from that, everything is going great...
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We're gonna need a new strategy.
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"King" dollar indeed.
What a bunch of fuck ups.....how many moar ways can they screw this up MOAR
My head is spinning.
So this sounds like ISIS is now back on the bandwagon with the other Syrian rebels again. Are the terms such that they lend cups of suger to each other? Stinger missiles? Poison gas?
In the meantime none of these balless civil rights pandering regional countries at risk... including Iraq... wants to carpet bomb innocent civilian populations to nail a jihadil terrorist.
Where is Israel when you need them...
Someone called in an air strike and killed the entire leadership structure of the "rebels" who opposed CIA/Isis a few days ago. How very convenient.
Clueless Liberal: Hassan, you are a moderate, right? You don't support ISIS with the beheadings and other un-PC acts do you?
Hassan: Hassan chop!!!
Clueless Progressive Number Two: We need to understand why he just chopped off my friends head!
Seriously, did anyone actually think those two group were exclusive or hostile to each other?
Obama did. Wrong again, President Stompy Feet. Oh well, the golf course beckons. I really wish he'd go there permanently. I feel safer when he's not fucking up anything but his short game.
These USA led coaltions are cracking me up. So we break international law, but if we get twenty other criminal nations to break the law with us the its OK folks. More like a COALITION OF CRIMINALS
Obama holds the Wilhelm Keitel Award and Kerry the Ribbentrop Award........the rope awaits
The devil wont down to the moderate islamics.....he was looking to make a deal.
Sign this.....and I won't kill you.
UK PM Cameron was all fire and brimstone for more violence in the ME. Then the polls shifted towards Scots supporting their own independence and Cameron quieted down despite Obama's speech.
Expect Cameron's fire and brimstone tone supporting UK involvement in further ME war when and if the Scots vote to reject their opportunity for their own independence.
Obola's lunacy is for popular purposes only, as he's fully aware of being picked out to be the fall g[a]uy. I'm certain of this as there are documented statements by FSA (Syrian. not USSA) from 2012 saying they're collaborating with Al-Nusrah and ISIS...
ISIS as U.S. Creation: The Clearest Authenticated Video Evidence to Date (opens in a new window)i think obama knows what he is doing, it is evil, but you know these are not all mistakes. he says he wants the "good"rebels not isis in power, but that might just be the lie they tell to us, the great unwashed. they want ISIS to stick around, they are useful.....remember the last thing washington and wall street want in the middle east is peace and stability. that would wreck all of their plans. they would lose control then. its empire politics.....ugly barbaric stuff.
Do you think think th explanation is that benign...? That he´s just off to tee off and that´s the reason why the ball keeps getting dropped.
Meanwhile, in other breaking news:
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—After announcing, on Thursday, that it would seek $500 million to help “train and equip appropriately vetted elements of the moderate Syrian armed opposition,” the White House today posted the following Moderate Syrian Rebel Application Form:
Welcome to the United States’ Moderate Syrian Rebel Vetting Process. To see if you qualify for $500 million in American weapons, please choose an answer to the following questions:
As a Syrian rebel, I think the word or phrase that best describes me is:
A) Moderate
B) Very moderate
C) Crazy moderate
D) Other
I became a Syrian rebel because I believe in:
A) Truth
B) Justice
C) The American Way
D) Creating an Islamic caliphate
If I were given a highly lethal automatic weapon by the United States, I would:
A) Only kill exactly the people that the United States wanted me to kill
B) Try to kill the right people, with the caveat that I have never used an automatic weapon before
C) Kill people only after submitting them to a rigorous vetting process
D) Immediately let the weapon fall into the wrong hands
I have previously received weapons from:
A) Al Qaeda
B) The Taliban
C) North Korea
D) I did not receive weapons from any of them because after they vetted me I was deemed way too moderate
I consider ISIS:
A) An existential threat to Iraq
B) An existential threat to Syria
C) An existential threat to Iraq and Syria
D) The people who will pick up my American weapon after I drop it and run away
Complete the following sentence. “American weapons are…”
A) Always a good thing to randomly add to any international hot spot
B) Exactly what this raging civil war has been missing for the past three years
C) Best when used moderately
D) Super easy to resell online
Thank you for completing the Moderate Syrian Rebel Application Form. We will process your application in the next one to two business days. Please indicate a current mailing address where you would like your weapons to be sent. If there is no one to sign for them we will leave them outside the front door.
@Philipat
You left out the part where the "moderate" syrian rebel leaves his name and address for the CIA to put him on the payroll. Not forgetting the "hardship" allowance when he is called upon to cut another American hostage's throat.
Why is it OK for the USA and president Obama to protect US journalists, who went there knowing the risks, and declare war on ISIS, while it is not OK for Russia and President Putin to protect innocent Russians in the Ukraine that are victims of Ukrainian Nazis? I don't know if Russians were decapitated, but does it really matter how meida effective people are being held hostage and are getting killed?
Samantha Power was a journalist
That's way too difficult. Here's a more realistic vetting form:
I request:
1) Getting American weapons, as I am a moderate Syrian rebel
2) Getting American weapons, as I am in ISIS but no evidence exists for my association to them
3) Getting American weapons, as I am a member of the Assad regime
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Office use only: send weapons to applicants circling options 1 or 2 above.
He did not receive nearly enough participation trophies when young and, and Bush!
P.S. You were right to say "progressive".
Yes, there is a vast difference between a "progressive" and a Liberal.
Note the large L ;-)
Progressives reccomending counseling for isis members. Rumor is they were bullied in school and some were latch key children. Its not their fault, they are victims. Pelosi says they just need a hug
the head chopping is fully kosher hollywood.
shot at cia nasa base white sands new mexico you shit stain talmudic troll : )
tony, tony, tony (facepalms).... nmewn was responding to our hypothetical/sarcastic post, not the obviously fake Foley and Sotloff tapes. You call him a "shit stain talmudic troll". Come on tony, we all know you are laser guided, intensely focused on Ziomossad and who could blame you? But for the love of God, aim your shitgum where it will do some good.
The boi has picked me, lets see if he can handle it, alone, mano a mano.
I'm game, is he? ;-)
Did I miss some festering disagreement or did he just go 0-60 on you in 2 seconds flat, unprovoked?
lol...yeah well I guess.
He's been calling me a circumcised, talmudic, child rapist, drinking the blood of unicorns dusted with pixie dust for about 2-3 weeks now.
As far as unprovoked...I wouldn't go that far, I am provacative to a lot of people, I realize that and I really don't care but he does have some fixation with children and penises that I'm trying to draw out of him ;-)
So circumcised = bad? 'Cuz we just checked and....
Because you're a true neocon believer with a juvenile attitude.
The boi has picked me, lets see if he can handle it, alone, mano a mano.
I'm game, is he? ;-)
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Because he is above me? He would never lower his regal self, to engage in ad hominem's, like he does constantly with anyone who disagrees with him?
And you, you support this?
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I'm gonna go ahead and say the boi can't handle it and ran away from a fight.
Choose your friends wisely Slave, when you need them most, they may not be there.
Are all neocons insane like you? That would explain a lot.
Thats incredibly weak.
Apparently you have decided to put yourself forward as Tony's second (because he is a coward) so tell me, these 20,000 fighters for ISIS and an islamic Caliphate, they all CIA & Mossad?
Show me your insanity.
And...again...I simply ask for ANY (however remote & obscure) confirmation of your statement besides YOU simply saying it. Keep the faith "Polish Tony", millions of trolls are now depending on you and you alone.
Good luck ;-)
Someone called in an air strike and killed the entire leadership structure of the "rebels" who opposed CIA/Isis a few days ago. How very convenient.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/11/ISIS-Opposition-Kil...
Nearly fifty senior commanders of a major coalition of Islamic 'moderates' opposed to ISIS in Syria have been killed by an explosion at their secret command bunker as they met to discuss strategy against the the Islamic State.Nothing says 'Non-aggression' (translation:cooperation) like leadership decapitation. Looks like they got the message....wonder who sent it?
Where is Israel when you need them...
...driving the ISIS new toyotas.
...using the civilian population as human shields.
...making fake videos.
...posing as Muslims doing things that Islam forbids, and then snickering about it.
So, I pose a question:
If "moderate" Sunni rebels AND batshit crazy ISIS are opposed to both the Shiite Hezbollah/Iran AND the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas, then what non-Mossad, Islamic political organization do they support?
That's right, I'm drawing a blank too. Unless it would be the Wahabist Saudis, but remembr I said NON-MOSSAD. Wahabs are to islam what Mormons are to Christianity.
Conclusion: Syrian rebels- all controlled by Mossad.
"I love it when a plan comes together." does not apply in this case.
After all, we are not at war, with or without a bunch of Islamic or non-Islamic killers or maybe terrorists but we in any case cannot call them that and we're not gonna put any troops on the ground except the ones we do without calling them troops in the no-war we're not fighting, so why wouldn't we expect nobody to not join us in this no strategy, no goals, no objectives, non war, maybe conflict, wherein nobody even knows anymore whose enemy is the enemy of whoever it might be that is or is not, my friends, if I have any left.
I love it more when their plans fall apart...
Peak Incompetence?
We're not there yet.
Pretty soon it will get so astoundingly stupid that MSM news reporters will have to wear paper bags over their heads...
...so they don't sit there scratching them. They have no shame.
Early!
Defninitely early. Two and a half years left.
November 15, 2010:
"General Sir David Richards said yesterday that it will be impossible to defeat al Qaeda and the Taliban with military force."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1329560/General-Sir-David-Richards-The-West-win-war-Al-Qaeda.html#ixzz3DFNypfz9
I do not agree with this. However, the degree of military force required would be total war bomb them to rubble, bibilical proposrtions sort of thing. It can be done, but is there the will or the need to actually do it?
Syria is the battle ground for a lot of diverse interests playing themselves out. ISIS, I think, as barborous as they are, is simply a tool of some of these interests. I guess it could take a life of its own, but I rather think when it is no longer needed it will dissolve away. Time will tell.
Bingo!
That's what I've said here many times before
This limited war bullshit is just pissing in the wind
Kill the whole fucking bunch of em cause they're all the same.
'Thinking' if you could call it that, such as yours, justifies pre-emptively nuking the shit out of you. Yes, let's not 'piss against the wind'. Cunt.
"Peak Incompetence?"
Wow... you are an unadulterated optimist.
More like peak success in financing and armning our enemies. One might think the administration isn't on our side, huh?
Well said, Knuckles.
I've just cracked a frosty cold Session black and I'm toasting your verbose disdain and well justified antipathy.
Honestly, just let them kill each other as long as they pump out the oil. They're all a bunch of reactionary assholes more suited to the 6th century than the 21st. Just quarentine the whole area, including Muslim immigrants, like it was fucking Ebola. And ban the press coverage so we don't see or hear how bad it fucking gets.
Problem is, it will never happen--too many people are in luv with the "Globalist" mindset.
all these various ragheads are becoming more and more amusing - they tell the truth - could be a sitcom pretty soon - its the lying liars who lie - the americans i dont like especially the maximum leader the guy named Obama!
At least they tell the truth? Yeah, sure. Like the psycho, serial killer who promises to cut your heart out and eat it.
Now IF I was listening to bozos speech rite he had this coalition built and ready to bomb. This guy gonna get us killed. What a fuck up this Obama is. A disgrace of an American President. I love history and this guy is the WOarST of the Worst makes Jimmy Carter look like Attila the hun. GOD help us!!!! The fundamental change of America is complete we are known as the fuck ups of the world go Obama
And this is by design!?!... These bumbling Luciferian goblin-pikes are no better than shoe gum on the soles of satan's feet.
Talk about inbred blue-bloods, and a test-tubed concoction passed off as humanoid, and supposed ruler of the free-world. We really are screwed unless you've got Jesus.
The U.S. military has more important things to do than deal with former Arab mercenaries on the C.I.A payroll who kidnap and behead American civilians if no ransom is paid. Such as state-wide hacking of computers in the USA on the hunt for kiddie porn.
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The real NCIS in action, running illegal searches of every civilian computer in a state with no search warrant and no evidence of a crime. Hacking into computers with impunity with the blessing of the Obama administration. Criminal behavior sanctioned by a corrupt Justice Department headed by Eric Holder. ---- Navy Guilty of Illegally Broad Online SearchesBy TIM HULL
http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/09/12/71363.htm
(CN) - Navy investigators regularly run illegally broad online surveillance operations that breach the line against military enforcement of civilian law, a divided 9th Circuit ruled Friday.
One such operation carried out in 2010 by NCIS agent Steve Logan eventually netted Seattle-area resident Michael Dreyer for distributing child pornography.
Using software called RoundUp from his office in Georgia, Logan searched for "any computers located in Washington state sharing known child pornography on the Gnutella file-sharing network," the ruling states.
Logan wrote in a subpoena that he chose Washington because of its large "saturation" of Department of Defense and Navy personnel.
The search hit on at least one computer, which, with the help of an FBI subpoena to Comcast, he discovered was linked to Dreyer's address. Logan's check on Dreyer revealed that while he used to be in the Air Force, he was no longer affiliated with the military.
Nonetheless, NCIS turned its information over to local police, who searched Dreyer's home and found "many videos and images of child pornography," according to the ruling.
Dreyer was convicted and sentenced to 18 years in prison, despite his claim that the evidence against him should have been suppressed as a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA), which generally prohibits the military from getting involved in civilian law enforcement.
A divided appellate panel agreed on Friday, reversing the lower court's dismissal of his motion to suppress the evidence and sending the case back to Seattle.
The 2-1 majority rejected the government's argument that the military is allowed to monitor and search all computers in a state without prior knowledge that a computer's owner is even in the military.
"To accept that position would mean that NCIS agents could, for example, routinely stop suspected drunk drivers in downtown Seattle on the off-chance that a driver is a member of the military, and then turn over all information collected about civilians to the Seattle Police Department for prosecution," wrote Judge Marsha Berzon for the majority.
The panel also warned that the present case suggests that Logan's broad search was not an isolated incident.
"So far as we can tell from the record, it has become a routine practice for the Navy to conduct surveillance of all the civilian computers in an entire state to see whether any child pornography can be found on them, and then to turn over the information to civilian law enforcement when no military connection exists," the ruling states.
"We have here abundant evidence that the violation at issue has occurred repeatedly and frequently, and that the government believes that its conduct is permissible, despite prior cautions by our court and others that military personnel, including NCIS agents, may not enforce the civilian laws."
Writing in dissent, Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain noted with apparent regret that the majority was the first ever to apply the "exclusionary rule" to violations of the Posse Comitatus Act.
Excluding evidence under the rule should be a "last resort" and done only after consideration of the "social costs," he argued.
"Yet, in a breathtaking assertion of judicial power, today's majority invokes this disfavored remedy for the benefit of a convicted child pornographer," O"Scannlain wrote. "It does so without any demonstrated need to deter future violations of the PCA and without any consideration of the 'substantial social costs' associated with the exclusionary rule."
An NCIS Public Affairs Officer did not immediately respond to request for comment.
And in a related story, Navy spokesperson B. J. Studley said that the Navy was definitely NOT searching computers for evidence of gay behavior among sailors. "Boys will be boys" Studley emphasized, "and we want our boys to be confident that the US Navy doesn't care what goes on in their closets."
Child porn, which the NCIS internet search found, could also be gay porn.
Boys with boys, literally.
The U.S. has become a fiat paper tiger.
There is no war against ISIL and there never will be. The USSA created, trained and armed ISIL.
All of Choomboy's posturing is just to try to hypnotize the rubes before the election.
I remember elections many years ago when I was a kid. It seemed a good idea, people vote and the most votes someone got wins the prize...Seemed a cool way to do things, but now they are new and improved...diebold, the media, etc. Ah well, times are a changing and you are not in Kansas anymore dorothy.
The whole circus rigaramole 'Popular Vote' is a complete fucking charade, diversion and waste of resources.
The Electoral College chooses the 'President'.
You might as well go to the polls, get in the booth, and shove the ballot up your ass for all the good it does...
I can hear it now.
"I didn't know we missed ISIL TERRORIST TROOPS and hit the Syrian forces instead."
Presidente El Choomwagon is prepping his teleprompter.
"shove the ballot up your ass for all the good it does..."
Frustating as the process is, your position is not hopeless.
Spoiled ballots are counted and form part of the official reported statistics (at least as far as Canada is concerned.)
If all US Citizens who disagreed with the existing system went to vote and cancelled their ballots (such as by writing-in 'none of the above,' for instance, or putting a cross right across it,) and assuming that possibility was well publicized, and the ballot counts were honest, this mass-action might end-up radicalizing the electoral process for the betterment of all citizens.
Not that I disagree, but you DO realize that all this ISIS/ISIL stuff totally delays/prevents the Qatari pipeline of going through I&S. Gasprom must be orgasming all over the place, and the Iranians laughing their ass off.
Qatar should just say "oh fuck it!", and run a short pipeline under the Gulf to Iran. In a fraction of the time and cost.
There already is a short pipeline under the Gulf from Qatar to Iran (supposedly back filled), and it only measures in the tens or hundreds of feet...
This anticrist Obama is a dumb ass, God has a sense of humor i guess with satan
I am guessing we are already arming the moderates....
lol..."moderates" is a relative term in the ME.
Yes, it means anyone to the left of Attila the Hun.
Or to the left of Ghenghis Khan.
He actually invaded the Syrian region.
If I remember correctly, he was defeated there.
Not exactly correct or incorrect.
The Khan died, and tradition ordered the chieftains of the clans to go back home and vote a successor. The troops who smoked Baghdad went all the way to the Sinai before this happened, and only a small force was left behind there, and got annihilated.
Hadn't the Khan died, there wouldn't be Islam of todays kind. Nor would have the vatican survived - the hordes were in Hungary and Poland already.
Here's a series of audiobooks for free from Dan Carlin's Hardcore History, download and enjoy it before it goes to the payment section. It is well worth the time!
Part one of five:
http://www.dancarlin.com//disp.php/hharchive/Show-43---Wrath-of-the-Khan...
GREAT post. "+42". Wish more posts had information content that helps move the Yardsticks of Truth.
Cool link, and an even better listen to the free Audiobook... because a BIG part of being a ZHer is to "question everything" and not just be a "Statist from a different angle".
The only thing that annoyed me about the audiobook author, is his "grammatical handicap" that most 'Mericans suffer from: Not knowing when to use THAT and and to use WHO, as it betrays a certain level of true education and attention to detail.
Just once, I'd like to see one of these guys curse the people about to behead them. After all, what have they got to lose at that point?
I have my serious doubts these beheading videos are real. After all, I just saw on Netflix how Leo diCaprio fights the Muzzie kidnappers like a tiger as they try to kill him. He didn't just lay there and stare into space like these fellows. he fought like crazy thinking it was going to be his last few minutes on this planet. I think the movie is, "Body of Lies."
[BTW, I wont spoil the ending but it's well worth watching]
I think, when you're instructed to face in one direction and don't look from side to side, while giving a statement...at THAT POINT YOU KNOW...no matter what has been promised to you for your actions, bread, water, chicks, vodka...you're about to die.
You only hope its quick.
You (and we) will probably never know what happened beforehand, they could have also said if you don't do X...we'll start with gouging out your eyes and move on to your ears and tongue.
Horrific...but it is what it is.
Yeah, it's a damn tough situation to be in--no one knows how they would react. People might say anything to hold on to a shred of hope. But, at least if you did all those things, it would just ruin the video.
They can also threaten fellow captives, your family, etc. And anyone can say what ever they want about what they would do in such a situtation, but I call bullshit. It's an impossible delimna.
Or...there just wouldn't be a video released by ISIS.
"Next captive! Comply or die."
Is what it is.
ISIS is CIA or Israeli Secret Intelligence Service,
therefore the beheading videos are Fake.
There are worse images made in Hollywood.
Video made with Hollywood special effects,
in front of a Green Screen background.
Look carefully, like television reporters or weather reporters in front of a Green Screen.
Computer Graphics Imaging.
Several internet sources reporting about the Fakes.
The INSTITUTE, aka The Mossad in Hebrew, cannot be found in the YP. They report to the PM.il, i.e. to BB NuttyNyahoo directly. In the 90s some journalists call the PM.IL and found out that they are called the "Israeli Secret Intelligence Servce" - ISIS.
No wonder Obummer is being told to call them ISIL. Fine, I'll just call them IS.IL
Slow death vs. fast one. I assume they are cooperative for the same reason the aristocrats used to tip the guy at the guillotine during the French Revoution.
Well where the hell does that leave me? Gotta figure this shit out again.
Since we are on ZH:
buy military stocks.
Buy a 3D printer and roll your own...
So this is what end of Empire looks like. Can't we just take our toys back and go home?
Well, some of us have been suggesting that for a number of years now.
PS Hear tell that Peak Empire is Always the Best Time to Party
Nobody is paying attention to the US at all.
The US dominance ended in the 1990s. It is just taking 20 years for Americans to realize it. All these screw ups are not the result of
Obama's incompetency, but rather the result of the end of US power 20 years ago. Wouldn't matter who is in office, America was finished before even Bush was seated.
Since nothing seems to work, and no plan seems to last more than a day, lets just do a 180, formally announce we're pulling out and aren't going to do shit, and see what happens. What's the worst that could happen? If it's worse than what's already happened, we have the perfect excuse to go in.
Isolationism IS the way to go GOD DAMN IT!
Cancel all foreign aid & free trade agreements, park half the carrier groups in the Atlantic & half off the coast in the Pacific, close down all overseas bases & embassies.
Just work with Canada & Mexico, and slowly add in south America. Pirate some supertankers as needed.
Let all those fuckers kill each other.
What? And let Russia and China get all that Middle East and Africa Oil ?
Rockefeller's Oil companies will never go for that idea.
That's the real problem.
Isolationism is over when AIZPAC and NuttyNyahoo say it's over. /sarc
Okay Iraq, as a sovereign country we will respect your wishes and we will cease all efforts to stop ISIS. It is your problem to see if you can stop them (you have not had much luck so far). And once ISIS takes over, and eventually attacks us, when we come next time, do not expect us to liberate the Iraq territory again and just leave like we did this last time (I know we caused massive damage, but we did indeed leave or try to leave). Full repayment for the future military engagement, along with payment for the last one and then some will be the bill. You can also expect a permanent independent military base to be positioned there for at least 100 years!
That will never happen.
So the US funded and armed "moderate" rebels are allied with ISIS who the US says it is at war with. This means the "moderate" rebel allies are allies of the enemy, meaning we are arming our enemy the rebels and also our enemy ISIS indirectly. All to overthrow Assad. Total lies and hypocrisy.
Look, save us all some befuddlement and just publish a scorecard! :>D
I said FUBAR a while back
Ever feel like your being Suckered
The US will continue to tacitly support ISIS until they overthrow Assad. Note Obama's tepid opposition at this point, especially in Syria. Once Assad is gone a "moderate" Islamist like Erdogen will absorb/neutralize them and gain new US support. No one trusts the US any longer.
The greatest losers will be the moderates and the minorities, especially the Christians. The fools are those who think that our blood and money was or will be spent wisely or that our involvement did anything but promote evil in this place.
The strategy has been the same since the time of Carter. Eliminate secular "tyrants" in the Mideast, using US taxpayer dollars and often US soldiers’ blood. See Iran, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Egypt. Moderate crazies like Erdogen may or may not be on top when Assad is gone.
Factions are divided in the Middle East and in the United States.
Some powerful people in the USA probably wish to get rid of Obama,
or at least get rid of some Democrats in the Senate this year,
therefore False Flag wars are needed to create more right wing Patriotism,
favorable to Republicans,
by whatever method works best in the short term.
Friends or Enemies.
Long term can be dealt with later.
There was a report that the Benghazi investigation has some evidence very bad for Obama,
and that it will be released to the public after the November election,
when it is expected that Republicans will gain majority control of the Senate,
and Obama has already supposedly agreed to Resign from Office in January 2015.
No resignation. Boehner will grab one of Obungle's legs and McConnel will grab the other, and both will blubber "Please don't go."
It Obungle goes, Bite Me becomes president and (I believe) can run for reelection in 2020.
That is why Obama would resign.
Biden 2016 instead of Hillary.
Obomber getting his just desserts while thwarting Hitlery's coronation would be like Christmas every day of the next 5 years
Neither one can win in 16. Get ready for Bush mk III
FSA asked Obama to strike both Isis and Assad, so they would be allies
Obama refused to strike Assad the Child Killer
FSA said they were not interested in an alliance then and went ahead with the truce with isis to eliminate Assad the Genocider.
In the middle east there is a tribal mentality.
Today you are enemies, tomorrow alllies for few hours and the day after enemies again.
Some good news out of this typical ObungaDisaster... the "Moderate" Syrian rebels are total MORONS... they should have waited on this announcement until BathHouse Barry handed over the $500 million US taxpayer dollars... THEN screwed him.
So they are stupid clowns... dangerous... but stupid. Next time we take a country, including Iraq and the ungrateful swine in Kuwait... we KEEP it... and their OIL.
They could still use the weapons no?
"What folks don't understand, is that these folks gave me a Nobel Peace Prize! Folks don't understand is that all we need is a little change and community organizatoin."
"These ISIL (can you imagine him saying ISIL over and over and over in the mirror..) folks need to stop selling MY oil."
"We are contracted to buy these drone's, thonsands of them. I didn't do that, but my friends are making money from it. You better beleave folks are going to feel the rath of Vice President Bite Me."
-That's all Folks-
(this is a parity and is in no way direct quotes from the Chief)
So now it's the "Nussayri regime"? This Cornucopia of deception grows more desperate by the day.
" Under the deal, the two parties will respect a truce until a final solution is found and they promise not to attack each other because they consider the principal enemy to be the Nussayri regime."
What makes the Washington DC crowd believe that they can run Iraq now, after fucking up a decade long occupation, and spilling out hundreds of billions of tax dollars into the sands of Iraq?
Anyone ever ask what that 1 trillion dollars could have done for the American people? Fuck no! Zionest Neoconservatives in Washington are stupid fucks, who have taken over control and use the congress and president as useful idiots to play their games of power and corporate profits via war making.
I don't know about you, but spilling a trillion dollars of my tax money out for nothing? Yet these same rulers sit in Washington. Congress is a slime ridden whore house of liars, crooks, perverts and drug addicts. That is when they are at their best! They really are the scum of mankind. Yet Americans refuse to vote them out. 90% of every congressman gets re-elected. When they are in the 10% populatiry range!
But now, Obama and his masters in CIA, AIPAC, NSA, Pentagon, the banks and hedge funds, that all see more profits and jobs for themselves by using the Black Messia to start another war in Iraq, when they did so good on the last one.
mic is running out of people to give weapons to. Who's next?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg
Maybe they could give some weapons to the moderate members of the NRA or the Gun Owners of America. At least they would be giving them to Americans.
"Germany and UK (and Australia) - the USA' broad coalition of allies to strike ISIS - will not support airstrikes on ISIS in Syria" To my understanding Australia´s stand is the opposite. PM Abbott has informed Obama that RAAF will join in if asked.
well washington is looking pretty damn foolish about now, twisting in the wind with plenty of egg on thier face.
not that I'm surprised but it does put a smile on my face.
got totaly outplayed by Putin in eastern Europe and now they are watching there plans to finally oust Assad circle the drain. they can't arm those moderates now that those moderates aren't actually going to go to war with ISIS. then again without that aid the SAA will eventually crush them on the field so long as mother Russia keeps the supplies flowing. Assad can pop the cork cause with everybody bailing on the push to bomb Syria Washington will either have to risk an epic PR disaster by going it alone and really looking like the power mad bloodthirsty warmongers we all know they are...or accepting the fact that thier push for regime change in Syria has ended in miserable failure.
quite the pickle they find themselves in.
now wouldn't it be interesting if DC went ahead with shipping weapons to the FSA, only to have those moderate groups turn around and sell that hardware to ISIS, after all they have had plenty of experience with American hardware...
Washington is becoming that really bad gambler who got the angles all wrong but lacks the sense to call it a night.
whatever happens from here should be nothing if not a complete, well, cluster.
They are already using American weapons.
Arabs have a saying..."Me and my brother against my cousin. Me and my cousin against any outsider."
Those people will never like us, kill for us, or die for us.
Spot on. And according to Vineyard of the Saker, just to add to the chaos, NATO member Hungary just bolted, with their President calling out the US as Morally and Financially Bankrupt.
I feel that this is the final straw by the US to get the Qatar pipeline through. If they fail this, then it will result in the GCC regions accepting alternative currency for the gas (due to US weakness) and the demise of the petro dollar.
287,000 Qataris can be easily subdued
"Germany and the U.K. on Thursday ruled out carrying out air strikes on Islamic State militants in Syria, a day after President Barack Obama authorized the start of U.S. air strikes there.
"We haven't been asked, nor will we do it," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters when asked about German participation in air strikes against the Islamic State, known as ISIL or ISIS, in light of Mr. Obama's speech."...
No but will you denounce the bombing when the the motherfuckers in "uniform" from the U.S. and Israel do it in your stead?...
Put the money where the mouth is!...
Throw these bastards and there military and embassies out of your Countries if you want to change it!!!
Ollie: "Well, another fine mess you've gotten us into. What do we do now?"
Stan: "I don't know, Ollie. What do YOU think we should do?"
Turkey can open Incirlik Air Base in the south for logistical and humanitarian operations in any U.S.-led operation, according to the official who stressed that the base would not be used for lethal air strikes.
“Turkey will not take part in any combat mission, nor supply weapons,” he said."...
Translation:
The "bitch" Erdogan "has been served"... By his own people who fucking hate Israel with a passion!!!
All that oil that ISIS/ISIL/IS is stealing from Iraq/Syria is getting smuggled into Turkey by someone, and Turkey ain't gonna let daily convoys cross their territory without a bribe or two...
slightly off-topic, but relevant regarding john f. kerry's brother, suprisingly joining the obama administration on june 20,2013 with little or no fanfare. why?
here's a few reasons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmer_Cutler_Pickering_Hale_and_Dorr
http://www.muckety.com/Cameron-F-Kerry/101392.muckety
http://en.wikipedia.org/Mintz,_Levin,_Cohn,_Ferris,_Glovsky,_and_Popeo
Ps. Member Brookings, Dept. of Commerce, Member Nat'l Jewish Democratic Council (Sheldon Adelson? Zionist exrtaordinaire! et.el.), Member, Council of Foreign Relations,etc., etc.
"MINTZ!!!" note: link works
Someone please tell me again why we removed Sadam - who kept this scum under foot.
iraq was sanctioned, therefore no oil trading, but for food. saddam didn't give two shits for the shi'ites or kurds, only the minority sunni. period! he used the monies for food to keep power with his sunni army and military. the ussa wanted the oil!!! iraq has moar oil than iran and perhaps kuwait seeing it's been on and off for the last twenty years. only saudi arabia has moar oil.
Ps. what's been beneficial for iran is that in the last twenty years it's oil has basically stayed in the ground so that it's lifeblood oil will last at least until 'perhaps' 2050?
as far as natgas iran's south par's gas field's which it shares with qatar are good until 'perhaps' 2300 ad? guestimates on both oil and natgas.
iraq has no gas worth mentioning other than flaring off new wells, but crude oil is worth ~10x moar on the open market because of its multiple byproducts.
he had no WMD's but leftover chemical weapons from the iran-iraq [1980-80] war,... the ussa and britain supplied for the gasification of perhaps a half million iranians! he also used them on the kurds with ussa knowledge-- chenical ali
Saddam was digraced in the Arab world because he invaded and conquered another Arab State: Kuwait. In an effort to regain a position of good standing among the Arab states -and to stick it to the Jews, whom he regarded as the prime movers which turned the USA from an ally to an enemy- Saddam became the primary supporter of the Palestinian Intifada against Israel'si occupation of Palestine and its oppression of the Palestinian people. Saddam was giving $20,000 to the familiy of every Palestinian killed in the rebellion against their Jewish oppressors, and $10,000 to any Palestinian injured resisting Jewish oppression of the Palestinian people. These are/were enormous sums of money to the destitute Palestinian people, encouraging them to actively and willingly fight against the Jewish UBERMENSCHEN. This had to be stopped. As GW put it, when asked what kind of threat did a crippled Iraq pose to thye United States: "A Threat to Israel is a Threat to the United States."
A lot of people forgot about the $20,000.
That was far above the lifetime earning capacity of most Iraqi's.
Saddam was removed because he had dirt on Bush, Sr. from when he was director of CIA and Reagan's Veep. (Iraq Iran War)
Ditto Noriega (Drugs)
"ISIS"...
Have a listen for yourself!
Alright now......
They had their chance....
Japan likes a little radiation so nuke the whold fuking area and the folks too stupid to use fracking in their own backyard can get the added punch of a radioactive oil from the mideast.....
They like the stone age... GIVE IT TO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
500 million in cash thrown at a few clowns who will pilfer 90% of it for themselves, and use the rest to 'train' terrorists (who are merely ACTING like they're 'rebels') in the art of american style combat. MASTERFUL! How stupid is our fucking country?
I cant stomach this nonsense
Saudi role? Surely not
The rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) has been aided by the continuing failure of the US Government to investigate the role of Saudi Arabia in the 9/11 attacks and its support of jihadi movements such as al-Qaeda in the years since, says former Senator Bob Graham, the co-chairman of the official inquiry into 9/11. - See more at: http://m.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/islamic-state-us-failure-...
Why am I not surprised. While the world went to save the yezidis from the mountain, Assad dropped a few more barrel bombs and chemical containers on his people. Syrian rebels know exactly where they stand.
There were doubts that Isis was fighting Assad, but with Isis wiping out a few military bases I guess that's settled. For now, Assad has killed more of their people than IS has and they know the west isn't going to help to dethrone him. Rather the west will weaken IS, giving Assad the advantage. They can do without the 500 million in 'support', because its not going to be the heavy weapons they need to effectively fight Assad. Weapons IS already has and is using. Tanks, artillery, gunboats, they even claim to be training a small air force. That's what's needed. Not 500 million worth of night goggles and body armor. They're not stupid.
Bullshit, noone saved Yezidis - their women are in ISIS brothels run by 60 British ISIS women in a special police unit. The Peshmergas in Iraq withdrew and left Christians and Yezidis exposed - only the Turkish Kurds saved anyone. Barzani' boys ran under cover of darkness. The US bombed to save oilfields and their consulate.
This is a sham
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/11/isis-sex-slaves-british-jihad...
There are 300 million Americans so raising an army of 1 million to fight in Libya and Iraq should be easy if all High Schoolers are drafted. Obama can rein in the Kiev regime or simply let Poland sed in more mercenaries, but the US should be able to deal with Iraq and Libya alone - though I favour a shortcut - regime change in Qatar and Saudi Arabia
"...U.K. counterpart Philip Hammond explicitly ruled out air strikes in Syria, after the U.K. parliament struck down such a move last year"
This is true, Hammond did say that. But he was immediately overridden by David Cameron who said the matter is under consideration and has not been decided.
So Hammond has to resign to avoid the ICC
Does this mean the Pentagon has signed a non-aggression pact with the CIA?
Well, it seems hopefully, the carpet bombings of civilians are going to be postponed. The American military are going to have to fight ISIL like men, on the Iraq ground and face to face.
Not too long ago I'm sure heard David Cameron was trying to convince parliament to agree to air strikes on ISIS and now with the execution of the British aid worker, I'm sure our government will follow Obama to the end. :(
To the ICC no doubt any any RAF pilot who attacks Syria
these terrorist are one and the same. They had their arses handed to them by Assad & Russia, and now they think they can pose as a separate entity / re-brand to drive the NWO cause. This is so pathetic and desperate by the criminals in DC/EU and the global intelligence apparatus (CIA, MI6, Mossad etc.)
THEY ARE A HUGE THREAT AND THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY THE U.S.!!!....I'm talking about the Obama administration.
Did you see last week where some ostensibly serious adults were talking about ISIS "invading" the US through Mexico? One of the most absurd things I've seen in print, and that's saying something. They were actually saying ISIS might be slowed down by interference from the Mexican drug cartels. That was a telling slip. What I took away from that was that the Mexican drug cartels are also on the CIA payroll, since everything seems to be interdepartmental turf-battling between CIA assets, everywhere you look on the globe.
That'll be the day.
Mexican druglords are responsible for more heads having been cutoff(just the police ones) than ISIS will ever dream of doing.
Since the objective is to create violent, unmanageable chaos around Europe, Russia and China, and on top of deposits of strategic resources and trans-shipment routes, it's going very well. Only the nation that can project force globally at any time can dominate the situation in a given area, and we know which nation that is.
The beauty of the strategy is that incompetence works just as well as competence. The more byzantine and unfathomable all the inter-relationships, the less likely peace and stability are to break out. The more we aid the craziest, most violent and intransigent elements, the less likely anyone is to work anything out.
Nothing to see here. Just the enactment of the what Brzezinski, Wolfowitz and Kissinger have been pushing for decades. Every so often Kissinger makes a cynical disclaimer, which is cute, but does nothing to divert the course of the policy.
In the Middle East wars the casualties are 94 percent civilian women, children and old people. What could be more barbaric than bombing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure?
ISIS are murderers and behead people, that is barbaric, the US coalition has killed over 2 million innocent people with indiscriminate bombings over the last 10 years, that is even more barbaric.
The Kenyan Lie-ing King and the US Congress are mass murderers of civilians. Make a list and scream: No more! Hang the criminals for Treason! Repudiate bankster debt!
"We're gonna need a new strategy."
Why doesn't the President call in some of the really smart people at Harvard and Yale and Berkekely and ask them what to do?
Doesn't the President have a law degree from Harvard? Surely he knows some people there.