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Russia Sends Second Humanitarian Convoy Into Ukraine, And Nobody Says A Word
About a month ago, when Russia sent a humanitarian convoy to aid ethnic Russians in east Ukraine, the Western world, and of course media, screamed bloody murder, with everyone from NATO to the Kiev government declaring it, without a shadow of a doubt, an invasion, a Trojan Horse, and a convoy of arms deliveries for the rebels caught in the Ukraine civil war, not necessarily in that order. Nobody thought it could possibly be just that: a convoy of humanitarian aid delivering provisions to hundreds of thousands of civilians caught in the middle of a war. Then finally, after weeks of delays, the convoy was allowed in and after unloading its cargo, promptly returned to Russia without a single incident.
Fast forward to today, when hours ago Russia sent a second humanitarian convoy into east Ukraine, which entered without enter the approval of Kiev or the oversight of the Red Cross and nobody said a word.
As if all the posturing and warmongering rhetoric have long since departed the Ukraine, now that the US is fully engaged in yet another war, this time not a proxy civil war but one involving doing Qatar's natural gas pipeline bidding once more, meaning it is time to conclude what was started in early 2013 and once again try to dethrone Syria's assad so that the all important Gazprom-displacing pipeline from the middle east can finally make its way to Europe, aided by a soon to be new, pro-American government in Syria.
But back to Ukraine where the second convoy barely made news and the details about it were only revealed several paragraphs deep inside this AP article about ongoing fighting near the Donetsk airport:
On Saturday Russia also sent a convoy across the border of Ukraine, loaded with what Russian reports said was humanitarian aid, without the approval of Kiev or oversight of the international Red Cross. A similar convoy in August was loudly condemned by Ukrainian officials as an invasion, but this time around Lysenko simply called the move "illegal." The country's top leaders have remained silent, underscoring how dramatically the mood has shifted in the Kiev government since a cease-fire deal was struck.
The last truck crossed onto Ukrainian soil early Saturday from the Russian border town Donetsk, some 200 kilometers (120 miles) miles east of the Ukrainian city with the same name, Rayan Farukshin, a spokesman for Russia's customs agency, told the Associated Press by phone.
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe's observer mission to the Russian-Ukrainian border said 220 trucks had crossed into Ukraine. Only 40 trucks were checked by the Russian border guard, while the other 180 were waved straight through, it said. None of the vehicles were inspected by the Ukrainian side or by the ICRC.
"Ukraine border guards and customs were not allowed to examine the cargo and vehicles," Lysenko said. "Representatives of the Red Cross don't accompany the cargo, nobody knows what's inside."
The Russian emergency ministry, which coordinated previous humanitarian aid deliveries to Ukraine, could not be reached for comment about the convoy.
Even the AP is confused by the change in rhetoric:
In August, Ukrainian officials said that a first convoy of humanitarian aid from Russia would be seen as an invasion of the country, and loudly protested any attempts by Russia to unilaterally bring in the aid. Eventually Russia sent its trucks across the border and into rebel-held territory without the oversight of the International Red Cross, contrary to an agreement signed between Ukraine and Russia.
A representative of the ICRC's Moscow office said they had not been informed about the current convoy, either.
"We were not officially notified of an agreement between Moscow and Kiev to ship the cargo," Galina Balzamova said Saturday.
Others were also quick to point out the inconsistencies in a narrative that changes day to day:
Last time Russia sent a humanitarian aid convoy to Ukraine, the SBU chief said it was an "invasion."
— Nataliya Vasilyeva (@NatVasilyevaAP) September 13, 2014
The vast difference in reaction to this Russian convoy and the previous one shows how much things have changed in #Ukraine in a few weeks.
— Paul Sonne (@PaulSonne) September 13, 2014
Back in Kiev, the confused Western-puppet government, while reiterating the generic talking points, had no idea how to frame the second Russian humanitarian "invasion" so it just kept silent.
At a conference with politicians and business leaders in Kiev, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said that Ukraine was "still in a state of war" with neighboring Russia and struck out against President Vladimir Putin, whose goal he said was to "take the entire Ukraine." "He cannot cope with the idea that Ukraine would be a part of a big EU family. He wants to restore the Soviet Union," Yatsenyuk said.
Despite the tough talk, often heard among Ukrainian politicians as they gear up for parliamentary election, Yatsenyuk made no mention of the Russian convoy.
RIA reports that the distribution of Russian humanitarian aid will start as early as Monday, according to the First Deputy Premier Minister of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic Valery Potapov: "We will start giving out [humanitarian aid to the population] on Monday," the official said. He also noted that the Luhansk authorities have designed a system of humanitarian aid distribution following the previous Russian humanitarian aid convoy, delivered to the Eastern Ukrainian city in late August. Which suggest that the convoy will remain around Donetsk for at least 48 hours, something with the Kiev regime of a month ago would loudly label as a undisputed invasion, and yet this time, nobody says a word.
Which goes back to what we wondered about last week: why the push by both sides, Ukraine and Russia, to mask the ongoing events in eaat Ukraine under a blanket "ceasefire" regime, when clearly nothing has changed and when the fighting between the Ukraine army and separatists is waged daily: who is it that benefits the most from a facade of fake clam and what happens next?
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The Soviets are back! With Chinese support this time round.
It looks like the trucks are unloading then going straight back to Russia.
LUHANSK, September 13 (RIA Novosti) – The first group of trucks from Russia’s aid convoy that arrived in Ukraine’s eastern city of Luhansk earlier on Saturday will leave the city as soon as they are unloaded and return back to Russia around 10:00 GMT, a convoy representative told RIA Novosti.
“All Kamaz [trucks] are in Luhansk now, they are being organized in groups for going back. Each group will consist of 25-40 vehicles,” the representative added.
Also it looks like they were carrying 40% more per truck than last time, perhaps because they knew they were going on paved roads this time.
KIEV, September 13 (RIA Novosti) – Around 100 trucks of Russia’s second convoy carrying humanitarian aid arrived in Ukraine’s eastern city of Luhansk on Saturday morning, according to RIA Novosti reporter.
The Russian trucks are being unloaded, the reporter said.
The rest of the Russian convoy is expected to arrive in the city later on Saturday.
Earlier in the day, Russian customs officers confirmed that the customs procedures for all Russian trucks with aid for Ukraine were completed.
The convoy includes 200 trucks that are carrying canned food, sugar, flour and other aid of a total weight of 1,880 thousand tons.
The first convoy of 280 trucks carrying about 2,000 tons of Russian humanitarian aid was sent to eastern Ukraine in late August and entered the country through a checkpoint controlled by independence forces after spending more than a week waiting at the border.
Expect more convoys as weapon systems are fairly bulky and complex. Advantage: Putin.
"who is it that benefits the most from a facade of fake clam?"
Real clams
Probably because ISIS is the new boogeyman for the time being.
1. How does Europe secure stable/reliable nat gas supplies?
2. What should the US do or stop doing? & why?
The Russians can now send in convoys at will, which is why no inspections were done.
The Ukrainian regular army is bottled up in cauldrons, and the neo-nazi punishment battalions bugged out, leaving them trapped there.
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
The chickenhawks winter down south around Syria. They only have a summer cottage in Ukraine.
1 Europe could stop playing silly bloody games at US beck and call, to help destabilise former soviet states right on Russias doorstep, and stop supprting Nato expansionsism just then there's no longer any actual justification for Nato itself to exist
2 See 1 above - stop poking the bear, no good can come of it.
But then of course, Russia is trading oil and gas not-for-dollars which presages death of the petrodollar, and the US wants to build that Qatari pipeline to try and break Russia's energy lever. Egad!
I like the Russians. American liberals and Democrats are scum. They all love Obama their god.
Advantage? with each shipment - the noose around Kiev grows tighter -
so what would you vote for ? Federation with Kiev or Russia ?
at the most desperate hour - Russia is there with tangibles not talk - the locals as well as the people from Odessa to the russian border from the Dnieper River to the black sea see the - future - in real time
The Obama Fascists and the USA "are" the deadly force
1 million man Ukrainian freedom fighters are training in Russia from all over the south for the final end game!
Death to the Fascists and the Oligarchs - There will be Blood!
"Vote" ... lmao
When LBJ and McCain's admiral father sold out the USS Liberty and pulled back US Navy ships and Navy F-4 Phatoms trying to save the USS Liberty - who were the first people to provide aid to the USS Liberty?
It was not the US Navy helping fellow sailors because McCain's old man was a traitor like his son.
The first people to arrive to try to save dying American sailors was the Russians. F McCain, F LBJ and F the US Military for selling out American boys.
Maybe it is a forgone conclusion that Europe will be under the yoke of the islamist, Wahabist, Isis caliphate oil suppliers, and Russia will turn its back east.
Good luck Europe, after 500 years of the Spanish Inquisition, you've at least got some experience dealing with fanatics.
Maybe? London and Paris are already overrun by the Islamic hoard. The nat gas pipeline thru Syria is the final straw.
Maybe Scotland will secede and re-build the the wall before they're overrun, but that's about it...
Have you ever asked why there was a Spanish Inquisition? Something to do with Towelists and islam...
Do some research on "Gnosticism" and other heresies...
It might be different this time?
ISIS >> Israeli Secret Islamic Sodomite
or Not.
Check out a project named "Hornets Nest".
http://topconservativenews.com/2014/07/operation-hornets-nest-alleged-sn...
So what do we have in Washington ? Bombs For Israel ?
Thank God for this. Apparently the Beheadings get better TV ratings than the impotent kvetching about Russian Convoys.
Publicus, Bukovsky told us they are back, only name and location differ.. But chinese support I have not seen so far?
Vladimir Bukovsky: EU = USSR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m41Tdl5mvdgThose damned Soviets could never do something good. Only the American capitalists ever do good in the world.
THe main theatre has changed to Syria. Ukies probably told to shut the f*** up by the West while they try to build a pipeline elsewhere.
I think you are on to something.
That's what Tyler said.
The question is what pressure points are the Russians going to push to counter? The Tartus naval base is right there, so the Russians have their finger on the pulse and room to maneuver. Chess pieces are moving, and Putin has been one step ahead so far...
ONE Step ahead????
Seems to be more a case of "Game, Set and Match" ahead.
EVERYONE (Globally) sees that the "American Way" is to kill, either via staging Coups, bombing (US Policy seems a case of "let's bomb a bit and see what happens!"), or forcible "Regime Change".
Russia ("suffering" with a "weak economy" per the Aussie lamestream media), seems to have enough Roubles to spare for geniuine Humanitarian actions. Actions with no strings attached.
People notice. People think. People decide who really is "The Bad Guy", and the People are starting to see that it isn't Russia.
Washington does seem to have shifted focus to conquering Syria while Russia is busy with the Ukraine war that the USA started there with 5 billion dollars and 20 years of CIA and Mossad involvment with the west Ukrainian fascist movement. Those decades of hard work to produce two generations of up and coming fascists has paid big dividends for Washington, allowing a "coup on demand" to be carried out, and now a "war on demand" to be carried on.
Syria is a big prise in the Pipeline game, and more profits for Arab shieks who are all CIA assets.
Let's hope Assad is right now arranging some special tricks for the soon to be air war against Syria's army and people. It is about to get real, the Neocons of Washington are raging mad oveer the recent ass whooping their proxy Ukrain army took, looking now to beat up Syria as revenge. Something appropriate to any Nazi Police State in the service of Zionism. The USA is not your country, or mine, it belongs to Zion. Those who still refuse to believe this is possible are blind and stupid. WHo do you think the Neoconservatives are, and why do you think they hold power over congress and the president??? Think about it!
you just said that cause your blonde
nazi's controlled by zionists
only on zh
When our "conservative" leaders are all neocons, who is left to stand against any of this?
You - and your guns you americans are so proud of.
I see, you need those to kill niggers and your neigbours in times of turmoil. Good for the rest of the world, the civilized one.
The term 'Neocons' is a misnomer. They are not conservatives at all but an offshoot of Trotskysts. Unless the 'con' part stands for conmen.
New Conservatives. Former social liberals who favor AMerican intervention around the world to spread democracy.
I don't suppose Russia has overlooked this.
/sarc ???
Funny how when somebody's actions match their words, they gain trust and respect. One might even call it LEADERSHIP.
And on the other hand there's Obama.
Hey! Give Barry the O'toole a break. After all, he was a community organizer. You do realize how much is involved in organizing a community right?
Yeah, it takes a village idiot.
free fried chicken goes a long way. along with obama phones.
Clearly this is an invasion and Yatsenfuck should cry like a bitch.
Eventually, no one believed the Ukrainain that cryed "Wolf!"
Local church in rural Arkansas town invades community center to deliver food and medical supplies to displaced citizens after tornado.
U.S. Government declares war on church, imposes sanctions...
Christians? Obviously they are terrerissis....
Quite possibly even worse.... What if they are not Christians but a front for the Tea Party... or maybe even both Christians and Tea Party
Constitutional fundamentalists.
You were aware that Barry had declared war on religious fundamentalist everywhere, right?
Delayed Ukraine reaction in 3...2...
Yep the delayed reaction will involve the Uke govt shooting down another airliner. Its what they do BEST.
They're pretty good at firing artillery at housewives standing in line at the vegetable market, too.
Consider where they got their 'Anti-Terrorist Training' from: Israel.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-says-worlds-many-conflicts-amount-piecemeal-w...
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REDIPUGLIA Italy (Reuters) - Pope Francis said on Saturday the spate of conflicts around the globe today were effectively a "piecemeal" Third World War, condemning the arms trade and "plotters of terrorism" sowing death and destruction.
"Humanity needs to weep and this is the time to weep," Francis said in the homily of a Mass during a visit to Italy's largest war memorial, a large, Fascist-era monument where more than 100,000 soldiers who died in World War One are buried.
The pope began his brief visit to northern Italy by first praying in a nearby, separate cemetery for some 15,000 soldiers from five nations of the Austro-Hungarian empire which were on the losing side of the Great War that broke out 100 years ago.
"War is madness," he said in his homily before the massive, sloping granite memorial, made of 22 steps on the side of hill with three crosses at the top.
"Even today, after the second failure of another world war, perhaps one can speak of a third war, one fought piecemeal, with crimes, massacres, destruction," he said.
In the past few months, Francis has made repeated appeals for an end to conflicts in Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Gaza and parts of Africa.
"War is irrational; its only plan is to bring destruction: it seeks to grow by destroying," he said. "Greed, intolerance, the lust for power. These motives underlie the decision to go to war and they are too often justified by an ideology ...," he said.
Last month the pope, who has often condemned the concept of war in God's name, said it would be legitimate for the international community to use force to stop "unjust aggression" by Islamic State militants who have killed or displaced thousands of people in Iraq and Syria, many of them Christians.
In his homily, read at a sombre service to thousands of people braving the rain and which included the hauntingly funereal sound of a solitary bugle, Francis condemned "plotters of terrorism" but did not elaborate.
Too bad the Pope does not elaborate beyond pointing the finger at "Islamic" militants.
Vatican City provides refuge for wayward government criminals bout only if they have some gold
I admire his speech, but he fails to see [or refuses to acknowledge] that peace is not profitable for the elite.
Be carefull who you admire, wearing a dress and a funny hat doesn't make any human a saint..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-pope-who-is-francis-i-cardinal-...
Tip: Storm Clouds Gathering and Syrian girl both have new video's on their youtube channel regarding the current chaos and the slow but steady build up to WWIII
Free_Lunch.... Thanks for the link. The actions of the pope now make a lot more sense to me. Someone who is corrupt always owes their power and position to someone else. It's payback time in the Vatican. Things are much clearer now.
It is a piecemeal 3rd world war. For now...
We need to acknowledge the possibility that it could remain a 'piecmeal' 3rd world war that expands, i.e. worldwide civil/revolutionary wars. At this point, it could go either way, but we know what a true WWIII would most likely turn into as soon as either Russia or China becomes an oponent of the US.
He wasn't worried about war in Venequeala where he is accused of selling the children to traffickers who were orphaned by the fascist junta brought to power by the vatican.
ISIS is the new headline.
Besides, allowing Kiev to make fools of themselves hasn't really worked so far.
OT
What will the idiot and chief do now,,FUBAR
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
silly city
Correction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/isis-deal-syria_n_5814128.html?...
Still FUBAR
Putin has loaded his ghost convoy with humanitarian guns, humanitarian ammunition, humanitarian explosives, humanitarian missiles and humanitarian troops.
What a humanitarian!
When is humanitarian aid going to be delivered to US borders?
Comrade, It has already happened!!
Wonderous Leader Obama and Eric Holder have delivered much such aid to the southern US Border.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
Yes - to the wrong side.
You're nuts.
I just can't understand how a fella can come to this conclusion.
Maybe if we had a few Russian sponsored/backed Mexican Fascist Brigades on our southern flank, tearing shit up we'd understand what a Russian standing there looking into Ukraine feels like?
WTF is the misunderstanding with the CODE WORD "Humanitarian Aid"?
The noun is used by countless entities, agencies, actors (rational or not), states and lawyers to provide cover for every misdeed and nefarious act they can scheme up.
We drop semi-lethal humanitarian aid all the stinking time. Where were you?
Love Bombs have been flying all over the middle east for years! These are also "Humanitarian Aid" if they kill the right folks.
Right Now in Iraq, we are sending down little-girl blown-off-the-hand kisses, Kiss Bombs and even some Heavy Love Bombs to ISIS and those poor buggers trapped on the hill by the Sodomites, its all humanitarian.
See... Really, Everybody is just helping and lovin' on each-other with as much "humanity" as possible... That's all that is going on here.
20 containers of RPG-7s distributed around the US might bring some respect and humility to the statist thugs with badges.
WTF?
Did you think that one up all on your own cowboy?
[Edit] I Had to Expand on this...
AFAIC the "Statist Thugs with Badges" have not turned on the American people any more than the American People have turned on them.
All this Police Militarization conflict seems to be highly localized and concentrated.
Maybe some reflection on that can help the (IMHO) not-as-bad-as portrayed situation
That being said, I have a bias towards the "Statist Thugs with Badges" as they were the ones to show up, at risk and pry my narrow ass out of the jaws of death.
2 x Car Accidents years apart in different locations (one very remote) and once a SAR team, but I made out unassisted for the most part.. They were there though. Thank God.
So, I'm gonna give you a number to call and you can ask for help with your plan from them... OK?
(866) 347-2423You really want to bring respect (to yourself?) and humility from the thugs...
Find a way to change out their leadership and insulate them from illegal political influence.
Find clever ways to force them into enforcing the laws against the system itself.
I think it'll be more challenging and rewarding than what you have suggested.
That's my suggestion for gaining some respect.
Jesus. You don't ask for much do you.
How about we start with not getting guns drawn on me for a normal traffic stop? That would be a fantastic place to start with the respect thing. I don't respond well when looking at a weapon drawn on me for no damn reason.
I can't help you see what is in front of you if you just look. The cops are just 'roided out thugs that will gladly put a boot in your ass if they can get away with it.
Hey,
Thanks for having a sense of humor when faced with an asshole.
I do ask a lot.
That way we keep the high ground.. If and when things go south, that's where we need to be.
People knowing that we (those who dared) did everything we possibly could to do the right thing.
I kinda agree with you in some ways.. The new school / new breed of the last 12-15 years has gotten progressively worse.
I do not like the roided out tough-guy thing and the attitude that seems to prevail among certain packs of them.
Also, let me say that I can't condone what happened to you man.
If it was a case of mistaken identity or such and apologies were made, I might be inclined to think it less serious.
You have every right to express displeasure and not respond well under that kind of asinine assault and being under duress.
Respect is a two way street for sure.
I do see what you are seeing. I don't like it either.
I still maintain, depending on location that the (shrinking) majority of police have some honor left in them.
And I am sorry you live in a location where that isn't true anymore.
I read a few of your posts since I beat up on ya, and felt bad about it.. FYI. We aren't that far apart in lots of ways.
Thanks BlindMonkey
You think they just turned up because they're good guys? Umm, that's one of their jobs. When they're not shooting your kids in the back for being big. Or the wrong color. Or something.
See if they keep turning up if we stop paying them their small fortunes.
"Maybe if we had a few Russian sponsored/backed Mexican Fascist Brigades on our southern flank, tearing shit up we'd understand what a Russian standing there looking into Ukraine feels like?"
Very funny that, we have armies of drug dealing murderers and paid off Mexican military killing, raping, invading and smuggling country killing shit across our borders.
Liberals are so F'd up they cannot see the freedom through the tyranny.
This is all liberals and communist doing.
Well Headhunt, I think your onto something.
I don't think its as simple as you put it and all players in power have a hand in it.
Also, consider that the cartels are "our problem" and not some foreign state sponsored hoodlum army..
If the Russkies were in my backyard, I'd not like it at all and would fight them if required to remove them.
Why wouldn't we have expected the same when we funded the disruption of Ukraine and installed IMF muppets.
Muppets who had deathskull-winged Nazis running around and Pretzel Headed Women saying nuke them (russians) to get rid of them.
I am NOT a Russophile, I don't really know that much about russia in depth. I do know that they have seemed to act with a due amount of restraint given the situation.
This stuff is occurring on land 400 miles away from Moscow. If we had a shitstorm like Ukraine 400 Miles from DC, well.. I at this point.. Who cares.
At least he isn't delivering humanitarian aid from a drone.
Not so much secret.
Shhh headhunt.
The secret is ZH and most of it's posters are Russian!
No, most of the posters here are capable of critical thought and seeing through the bullshit.
Who delivered Obama
It will be mentioned later, no worries.
Playing the victim is better propaganda than playing the aggressor.
Funny how after the last aid the "rebels" had tanks and ammunition. Meanwhile...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/30/lev-shlosberg_n_5741130.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-casualties-excl-iduskbn0gs20320140828
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/us-ukraine-crisis-russians-special-repor-idUSKBN0H70S920140912
This "aid" is no different.
The irony of your avatar trafficking in the Newspeak articles you posted is piquant, indeed.
If you want to suck NSA cock, that's your business, but don't imply things that defy the laws of physics and expect not to be laughed at (like loading and transporting a 40 ton tank on a truck chassis designed to transport 10 tons).
Exactly.
Which means that Ukraine is being heavily armed now by NATO, also.
To be fair, it is difficult to get a tank onto a curtainsider. Ammo, though,yes.
I wonder which one of you morons are Ward Churchill...
This is neat and all, but the real story is Strelkov!
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/09/strelkov-from-swimming-with-pi...
I highly recommend this piece for any who do not currently read The Saker. He attempts to peel away the many layers that make up this cake. It will assist you in completing your own opinion of the situation regarding the power struggle in Russia. The announcement of Strelkovs suicide and lack of coverage for his past press conference combined with the silence, speak volumes.
Russia stands for freedom? I believe you need a pass or in other words PERMISSION to travel inside of Russia. That is the kind of freedom that the US central planners are planning on for the US citizen, "consumer".
If you had a point to make, it was lost.
Not only does your comment not have any connection to my post, it has no connection to the article. You seem to be determined to degrade Russia and/or Putin. Anyone following the situation for more than a week has to see the obvious attempts by the West to cause as much chaos as possible.
But that's ok. Keep spreading your BS.
I highly recommend Flagit's Strelkov link above y'all...
Yes, a "passport" is required to be carried by Russian citizens. It looks just like an international passport, and you can buy plastic passport covers at any kiosk. But very rarely is anyone ever stopped and asked to show ID- probably no more than in the US, and maybe even less. Moscow is the big place where you'll have to how your ID. Everyone want to live in Moscow (that's where all the money is) , and the city has a terrible problem with unauthorized residents. It's just like the illegal alien problem in US. On the subway in Moscow, my companion and I were stopped three times and asked to show our ID. She was asked for her Moscow resident card, and we were allowed to go after she explined she was just there (from a city to the east), to show me around the sights.
Russian police wear fatigues and carry machine guns. It is disconcerting to a US citizen, but soon you realize that you are much physically safer with a Russian policeman than with an American one. The reality is that Russia and America are mirror images of each other. Russia has all the outward trappings of a totalitarian police state, but in reality, no-one is paying attention. In America, we give lip service to freedom, but just try actually being free and see how quickly you are tased, beaten to the ground, and financially raped for making the gesture.
I take your point about Russia and US being mirror images. The ID issue you mention is absolutely no different to what exists in very many countries around the world. Tourists are required to carry ID in virtually all countries I visit (and it's a good idea anyway in case of accidents etc), including Thailand and Brazil. I have been asked to produce ID in both, once or twice.
If the UK had introduced Mr Blair's ID card scheme I have zero doubt that British police would have been asking people for ID regularly and fabricating the reason for doing so if necessary.
"Russian police wear fatigues and carry machine guns. It is disconcerting to a US citizen"
Not sure if they are police or not, but there are plenty of fatigue-clad, assault rifled "security agents" in NYC trasportation hubs.
I've watched police roll towards protesters in a way that looked like they were rolling into a war zone in my own hometown.
Their domestic passport is more like a drivers lic and a SSN combined. My wife is russian and she is required to schedule doctors appointments and things like that in the city her passport is registered(when she is in russia). Its basically just a consolidated ID system instead of like here in the states where you end up in a billion state and local government databases.
They have no restrictions on travel and they actually get a ton more vacation than we do here.
"I believe you need a pass or in other words PERMISSION to travel inside of Russia"
That may have been the case decades ago but not today, unless you can provide credible evidence to support your belief.
It's on a par with the non-stop propaganda that we get from the USG, like Saddam throwing babies out of incubators and people being fed into shredders feet first.
You dwell in Stalin era. No wonder, your name is Winston.
Anyone who has been watching closely for the past few months, years and decades should understand that Russia is increasingly under threat of a carefully planned and developed military encirclement, which has now advanced to the stage of provocations and a search for pretexts, and thus the threat of an imminent military attack, with the goal of dismembering Russia or destroying it if necessary. It is remarkable given these circumstances and the fact that strategically, militarily and economically Russia is far weaker now (at least on paper) than the forces arrayed against it, how much freedom of speech and movement the Russian citizens apparently still have.
When I peel away layers of cake, my fingers get sticky. When I peel away the layers of an onion, I start to tear up. Sometimes, there is jut no justice in this life!
Strelkov's speech is inspirational, truthful and infinitely far ahead of any political blubbering that is going on in the west.
Strelkov is the best person in Russia, and in the most danger.
One of the comments from Hungary was that Putin is with the 5th column, but Strelkov is not.
I agree with this guy, I think Putin is the leader of the oligarchs and the Russian mafia.
Putin to me looks like a deal maker, not the true patriot that Strelkov is.
I may be wrong but often my gut is right.
Great articles in there
Russian Ultra-Nationalists want an Armageddon with the USA, Putin does not. Putin is rational but perhaps it is inevitable that the USA will end in nuclear war
I agree about Strelkov. But Strelkov's speech - on the Saker of the Vineyard site - makes clear that for all his anger and concern about the oligarchs around Putin, he supports Putin as the leader of Russia's resistance to the Empire and does not consider him a traitor.
You might want to go back and read - or reread - the story of Putin economic advisor Sergei Glazyev's authoritative statement of Putin's global strategy, also reported in ZH:
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_06_18/Putins-aide-proposes-anti-dollar-all...
Do Glaziev's remarks show a Putin whose eyes are wide open about the US-led Empire, about the US, NATO and the EU posing a mortal threat to Russia?
Does he show a Putin who fully understands that the de-dollarization represents a mortal threat to the Empire; i.e. does he recognize this as a showdown with the highest possible stakes?
Does Glaziev describe a Putin who understands Russia holds in many ways a weak hand yet is determined to try to get Russia through this without a new World War and believes it is possible?
Have Putin's actions and speeches over the past months and years been fully consistent with this strategy?
I would say yes to all of these.
Is this the strategy of a fifth columnist? A secret Atlanticist puppet of the banksters?
I would say that Putin is far too effecive at undermining the interests of the Empire and parrying its threats to be seen as anything but a principled and determined leader. One who, by the way, has shown no signs of flinching at the blatant threats to his life coming from high places in the US. Putin's actions in and toward Ukraine, to me, have been fully consistent with his global strategy of resisting NATO expanison while avoiding a war and working to collapse NATO's strength through the de-dollarization alliance.
So this is what we can count on him for, at least until the situation radically changes.
Is Putin an angel? Clearly not. Angels don't survive two decades of swimming with the sharks. Putin has oligarchs around him and has to represent their interests. He may even have become one of them. That is a constant threat and danger to him and sets limits on how far he can go. But he has so far been acting and speaking, with skill, patience and determination, in a way that is so detrimental to the interests of the Anglo/American Empre that we can dismiss the idea of his being a fifth columnist.
Putin's limitations will be tested when the Kiev regime starts collapsing and an anti-oligarch revolution starts to erupt in Ukraine - a revolution that would be deeply threatening to the oligarchs of Russian and of all of Eastern Europe and the Former Soviet Union.
Will Russia then invade Ukraine, in defiance of NATO and Obama, in order to control and limit the revolution? Will Putin allow the US and NATO to come in? Or will he, in defiance I'm sure of his own terrified oligarchs, act to let the revolution unfold by not invading yet continuing to demand that the US and NATO keep out?
It will certainly be interesting.
Or perhaps this is too serious to be just a spectator sport.
An interesting little story by an American working in Russia about Putin's character:
http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2014/04/russia-report-putin-.html
Putin does seem to be something of a straight shooter for a political figure.
I'm starting to warm up to Pope Francis even though he refused to take me up on my ALS ice bucket challenge
If Obama's strategy really is a feint back to Syria- and if the real objective is to control the energy markets of Europe- then the heart of the strategy has to be the blitzkrieg of Syria. The Assad regime, in order for this to work, will have to fall within days, or weeks. As long as Assad can control the heartland of Syria, meaning the coast and the mountainous territory immediately inland, then the whole Qatar pipeline plan cannot succeed.
Somehow, I suspect Assad's forces will receive the brunt of Obama's military aggression, while ISIS continues to miraculously escape, and to chop off the paper mache heads of the dual citizens who run that organization.
In an alternate universe, State department officials approach Assad at the beginning of 2011, and work out a pipeline deal. Assad gets to become fabulously wealthy and to remain in power, while instituting cosmetic human-right reforms. The US and Qatar get a pipeline and an end-run around Russia. In this alternate universe, Ron Paul became president... well, I'll spare you the rest of the fantasy, but really, how hard would it have been to pull such a thing off? Why didn't it happen?
Answer: Because our government has been lobotomized by the Rothschild entity.
OT. More NYT lying.
The New York Times found in the Dutch report MN nonexistent conclusions (13.09.2014)
Loyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon suck.
You left out Blythe Masters. Why?
don't care about the bullocks political BS. Supplies mean the poor people in Ukraine don't have to starve.
When you are low on ammunition in a fire-fight delivery of a semi-trailer loaded with cases of hand-grenades and full bandoliers IS humanitarian aid.
...and the bold text somehow makes your comment legit?
"Porko" speaks such wonderful English doesn't he?... Just like Saakashvilli of Georgia.
Yep.
That School of the America(s) at Fort Bragg is one fine institution and the "Mother Ship" in Langley that makes it all possible...
Not just for Latin Americans anymore!!!
si, no solo para america latina
Es verdad! La escuela de los Americanos no es solo para latinos, nada mas. Es por todas las gentes del mundo. Translation: Neocons suck big ones, regardless of race, sexual orientation, or creed.
Yeah, I prefer real clam too.
6 compaines controlled by Jews own 90% of the media in the US.
Amazing what you can do when you control the flow of information.
http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4fd9e6b5ecad04c327000005/these-...
Just open google map and you can estimate a length of border line. DO You think if Putin be needed to deliver weapons he would make white trucks?
Despite the tough talk, often heard among Ukrainian politicians as they gear up for parliamentary election, Yatsenyuk made no mention of the Russian convoy.
If this isn't "a smoking gun" I don't know what the fuck else you could possibly call it!
Did Putin aid Assad with the "hardware" he will need to fend off the U.S. and Israeli assault that is coming that will more than likely kill another couple hundred thousand Syrian men, women and children "if" they don't have it?
Or did Adolf Netanyahu and Bandar "jungle bunny" bin Sultan get their way with the intimidation through the Volgograd's train station bombing last December followed by the coup with Russia's closest neighbor that has left them with hundreds of thousands of refugees on there doorstep???...
If I were Putin I'd be having my cake and I'd be eating it too!
At this point given the level of desperation from the instigator(s) it's a lose now or a lose later proposition.
I'll have more flexibility to allow you to do whatever the fuck you want
Blessing and a curse!... When they both travel in the same direction WATCH OUT!!!
Let's hope enough of them that guard the "crown jewels" don't let too many more of those "foxes" slip through the fence to the chicken coop...
But don't we see stinking morale replacing many of those single visa holding enlisted personnel with the "dual citizens" that blanket our legislative branch of government? Err perhaps like these people?...
Members in US politics who hold dual US/Israeli citizenship:
June 2013
Past and Present:
1.Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
2. Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
3. Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
4. Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
5. Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
6. National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
7. Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
8. White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
9. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
10. Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
11. U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
12. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
13. UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
14. Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
15. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
16. Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
17. Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
18. Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
19. Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
20. White House Political Director – Ken Melman
21. National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
22. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
23. Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
24. National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
25. President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
26. Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
27. Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
28. White House Speechwriter – David Frum
29. White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
30. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
31. Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
32. Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
33. Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
Current members as best I could find:
Senate:
•Senator Barbara Boxer (California)
•Senator Benjamin Cardin (Maryland)
•Senator Russ Feingold (Wisconsin)
•Senator Al Franken (Minnesota)
•Senator Dianne Feinstein (California)
•Senator Herb Kohl (Wisconsin)
•Senator Frank Lautenberg (New Jersey)
•Senator Joe Lieberman (Connecticut) (Independent)
•Senator Carl Levin (Michigan)
•Senator Bernard Sanders (Vermont) (Independent)
•Senator Charles Schumer (New York)
•Senator Ron Wyden (Oregon)
House of Representatives:
•Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
•Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
•Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
•Representative Howard Berman (California)
•Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
•Representative Susan Davis (California)
•Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
•Representative Bob Filner (California)
•Representative Barney Frank (Massachusetts)
•Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
•Representative Alan Grayson (Florida)
•Representative Jane Harman (California)
•Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
•Representative Steve Israel (New York)
•Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
•Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
•Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
•Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
•Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
•Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
•Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
•Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
•Representative Adam Schiff (California)
•Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
•Representative Brad Sherman (California)
•Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
•Representative Henry Waxman (California)
•Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
•Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)
zatetic June 2013
http://jewishcurrents.org/the-112th-congress-3476
All the jews in congress are democrats or independents (basically democrats) except one, Eric Cantor. He may be the highest ranking Tea Partier elected lol.
http://tinyurl.com/m3wdevf
Fake list
Joe Lieberman who ran as vice presidential candidate is NOT israeli citizen
Wooo, that invalidates everything Nemo says.
Affirmative Action for Jews. It's only fair. http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2014/03/common-justice-demands-affirmativ...
Fake statement, his citizenship does not make him less dangerous.
Just wait until he gets in some trouble, he will be an Israeli citizen faster than you can say Manischewitz.
Yeah ek
It's no surprise they named a hearty "flower" after you that's like a weed, when in fact it should have been something from the Tsuga family of coniferous trees or a deadly form of ivy.
I believe most of our strategic command Navy and Air Force boyz and girlz are "scratching themselves silly" and breaking out in hives working for the likes of General Weinstein after they lost the only honorable leadership with integrity they had before he made his arrival on the scene!
Neeldess to say. Hope General Jacky doesn't do anything "wacky" with those missiles under his command that will get America and Europe in a fix if they get used under some false pretext like the last one we had 13 years ago???...
P.S.
I think you were right about Joey but his wife Hadassah may be another story. Let me know if there were any others on that list I furnished that aren't "dual citizen"...
Much obliged for your help in finding "1". Not that it matters when the Senator from Connecticut has been committing treason on behalf of a foreign government for his entire political career swearing an oath and allegiance "to do otherwise"!
With the name like this, what difference does it make?...
I'm not Jewish, but I've been to Israel. Stayed there for a few months. Most people in the streets are the same as here in the USSA. Same terrist propaganda, same neocon scaremongering govt, you name it. Most everyone I met was pretty nice. I don't agree with their government, and neither do most of them. A sociopath is just that, no matter what religion they profess to. Religion or color has nothing to do with being a piece of shit. Some people are just that. If you want to be a race or jew hater, then join the Klan. I'm here for intelligent reading.
The so called Jewish state boasts of being the only democracy in the region....one man one vote! If the people are so frigging nice, then they are fully responsible for the dangerous terrorist gov't they've voted for. It's easy to say "we are not responsible" and turn your back while you remain silent and benefit from the terror that YOUR "democratically" chosen representatives reign down on defenseless human beings. same is true for the US!!
I also been to Israel, and saw them pissing on "goys" and throwing garbage on the "non kosher" humans. Have you seen those nets above the streets in Jerusalem?!... Israel is the most racist-brainwashed state in the world, even more so then the US.
I'm not jewish either 'g' and let me clarify for the record...
Plenty of Baptist evangelical(s), Catholic(s) and Episcopal(s) that qualify for Neocon status and worship the Pyramid with the "all seeing eye" along with the transplanted heretics that live in Tel Aviv!...
I use the word Yid and Jew from time to time which is an egregious mistake as these people are hated by Israel more than the Arabs and they are the true religion of Judaism!
The Zionist religion loves to call themselves Jew but they are the "antithesis"!
My apologies to any self-respecting people of the True Torah faith that live the Old Testament and believe with their heart and soul that Israel is the "anti-Christ" of their faith!
You are lucky they didn't take your organs moron.
You are lucky they didn't take your organs moron.
You're right D...
I understand the Zionist fucking puke have quite a thriving profit oriented business in Palestinian and Arab organs and "blood diamonds", just like the Nazis's allegedly did in gold dental work...
At the end of the day it all came back to the Rothschild(s) bank in "gold bars"...
Gentile or Jew... They are and always have been an equal opportunity employer in the slavery department -especially when they had a "Holocaust to sell"... I certainly don't recall anyone from the Rothschild's clan going to the camps -Do you?...
Just remember that history is always written by the "winner".
I agree, anyone can troll out a list of Jewish sounding names just to try and disinfo us.
Faith is for those not wanting to know. It is better to know than to believe. Gnosis
Faith is for those not wanting to know. It is better to know than to believe. Gnosis
You ain't no 'Dublin Mick' you cocksucker!
Unless of course your mother is a "Cow Protestant" and your Daddy an Ashkenazi that got lost on the way to London!
Half of this list is questionable, at best. And cantor is no Tea Partier. He is a Wall St stooge, and just got his azz handed to him in the last election by a nobody economics professor from a small college (and this is good news).
When are the good jews going to show up around here .... any day now?
When are the good jews going to show up around here .... any day now?
You mean these guys "Mick"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ZiVRedU-4
Amazing! a few weeks ago it was the biggest story of the day.
The media reminds me of "Dory in the film Nemo", flipping from story to another without any thought.
I suppose Africa's Ebola problem will become boring, and we'll forget the issue until it becomes a threat.
WHERE ARE THE REAL JOURNALISTS WHO CAN THINK!
WHERE ARE THE REAL JOURNALISTS WHO CAN THINK?
Unemployed or blogging.
They are cowering, afraid of NSA info on their asses.
Or dead, like Michael Hastings (and many, many more).
Do know what his wifes job was?
media relations for the NSA!
John Swinton on the Free Press
One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
“There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with.
Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.”
They are commenting on websites.
I have always found the most truth in the comments.
Some have called western policy satan-inspired.
I'd say western policy inspires satan.
Only if you consider Russia "Western".