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Global Un-Warming? Antarctic Sea-Ice Reaches Record High Levels
In what appears to be an awkward moment of uncomfortable fact, ABC reports satellite imagery reveals an area of about 20 million square kilometres covered by sea ice around the Antarctic continent - the highest level of coverage since records began. This is the 3rd year in a row that the sea ice coverage has reached a record level - increasing at 1.5% each decade since 1979. However, there is another side to this, as the area covered in sea ice expands scientists have said the ice on the continent of Antarctica which is not over the ocean continues to deplete. The climate is changing, one way or the other.
Scientists say the extent of Antarctic sea ice cover is at its highest level since records began.
Satellite imagery reveals an area of about 20 million square kilometres covered by sea ice around the Antarctic continent.
Jan Lieser from the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre (CRC) said the discovery was made two days ago.
"This is an area covered by sea ice which we've never seen from space before," he said.
"Thirty-five years ago the first satellites went up which were reliably telling us what area, two dimensional area, of sea ice was covered and we've never seen that before, that much area.
"That is roughly double the size of the Antarctic continent and about three times the size of Australia."
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As the area covered in sea ice expands scientists have said the ice on the continent of Antarctica which is not over the ocean continues to deplete.
CEO of the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems CRC, Tony Worby, said the warming atmosphere is leading to greater sea ice coverage by changing wind patterns.
"The extent of sea ice is driven by the winds around Antarctica, and we believe that they're increasing in strength and part of that is around the depletion of ozone," he said.
He said changes to sea ice levels could have implications for the entire Antarctic ecosystem.
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So global warming is creating more ice which is a bad thing...
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"As ABC Reports" Well isn't that special?
Maybe I'm stupid, but the mass on the continent is noticeably whiter than the mass over the water
I reference the good Professor Turney and his journey...
Hey!! That rhymes!
God save us
Do keep in mind boys and girls.....
It is not the ice on the seas that will fuck us up.
It is the ice that melts on the land.
Sure, ice melts on land, especially if it's sunny.
Maybe fund a global libtard boondoggle to block the sun from space so the planet cools off.
That's right. Artic ice melting won't raise sea levels, it actually lowers them. Just like an ice cube melting in your glass won't make the glass run over but actually lowers the content. Not the case with the ice on Antartica or Greenland melting. That water needs to go somewhere, either into the sea or into the atmosphere. And water vapor is a GHG.
At this point in history, one just has to accept that those who write/promote/support this kind of "journalism"--misinformation which appeals only to those with a measure of ignorance equal to or greater than the "writer," but possessing a lesser drive to be king of the idjuts--have but one possible future: they will kill themselves out of embarrassement one day or, too stupid to ever understand, will be killed for the good of The Many: there will be no place for imbecils and psychopaths in the Darwinian future that awaits.
either that or there will be only
imbeciles and psychopaths in the
Darwinian future, not too dissimilar
from the darwinian present.
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in the form of a jest
"(The 35 year old satellites)....reliably tell us what area, two-dimensional area..."
Like a Ratings Agency, they won't believe what they'll find when they move into the third dimension!
I'll bet there ain't much. It's the pollution of all living things, including sky, sea and earth. Fuck your semantics. We're blowing up what we haven't already trashed. My kingdom for a horse and a tall glass of water.
We're changing the climate by just observing it aren't we?
Yes we are a sloppy species and make a lot of pollution, but it easy to convince city dwellers ow we can afect climate change as all he or she sees is humanity, concrete, vehicles and buildings,
And because we can travel to another continent in hours, we forget how vast this planet is.vvWe have to screw up really bad to affect climate methinks.
"we forget how vast this planet is.vvWe have to screw up really bad to affect climate methinks."
Everything we are doing is affecting climate. Particularly in the case of carbon (in CO2), because it is a relatively low percentage gas in the atmosphere relative to nitrogen and oxygen, the amount we are pulling out of the ground and putting into the atmosphere makes a measurable difference. And the greenhouse effect makes sense according to physics. Yes, we are having an effect.
BUT, and it's a big but, whether that effect is remotely sufficient to counter (or amplify, as the case may be) the effects of solar variability? The sun is everything to energy on Earth. It would take a relatively trivial change in its output to effect massive changes in our system. So yes, human pumping of greenhouse gases is having an effect, but I'm not convinced we can be sure that our effect is leading to the result for which it is blamed. Other more powerful variables over which we have zero control may make our effect a washout.
I have yet to see any proof that CO2 is a "greenhouse" gas, that it traps heat or that man is solely responsible for its increased concentration. I have seen experiments showing it to have the opposite effect, but the results were trivial. What if the term "greenhouse gas" is made up to add legitimacy to the show? We all seem to roll that term off our tongues pretty easily.
"traps heat" = "a modicum of IR absorption"
Quick primer on the greenhouse effect:
Energy travels in different wavelengths. We have all seen the rainbow spectrum, for example. Red is one wavelength, blue another, etc. This continues outside of the visible light spectrum. There are lots of different wavelengths of energy emitted in the universe. The sun emits a ton of these at the Earth. Depending on the wavelengths and the atomic structure of the materials they encounter (solid, gas, or liquid form of whatever material it is), they can be absorbed, reflected or ignored by the given material. So some of those wavelengths coming from the sun are absorbed in the atmosphere, others pass through and hit the solid (or liquid with oceans or lakes) Earth. Again, at the solid Earth point, some of the radiation is absorbed and some is reflected back. Meanwhile, the Earth, too, is emitting energy in some wavelengths. The concept of the greenhouse effect is that by measuring which wavelengths of energy are received from the sun, which are reflected/absorbed/emitted/ignored from the Earth, and which are reflected/absorbed/emitted/ignored by the materials that make up the atmosphere, it is possible to make calculations as to the energy in versus the energy out of the atmosphere. These are physically measurable quantities. The concept is relatively intuitive.
But to agree that there is a greenhouse effect does not automatically translate to the conclusion that changes in this effect caused by our activities are the dominant driver of temperature on the planet. Needless to say, this system is extremely complex. Skepticism of any simplistic view of such a system is not only a point of view, but an absolute necessity if the "truth" is to be respected. Policy is not guided by truth, however, but by perception, and scientists are not immune to the pressures of social living.
Hope this helps.
Ice Age is coming to get you
ISIS is coming to get you
Obamma is coming to get you
Homo$exuals (of Obamma) are coming to get you
Drug Addicts are coming to get you (thanks to Obamma)
Ebola is coming to get you
Financial Crash is coming to get you
Poverty is coming to get you
Bankster Thugs are coming to get you
Homelessness is coming to get you
Divorce is coming to get you
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Shall I say more
At least I'm wanted!
If you run a statistics analysis comparing the computer models used to predict "global warming" / "climate change" to actual data over the last two decades, you can conclude that the computer model is completly inaccurate. The z-score is ridiculously high at the 95% confidence level. Data from the last couple years is 6 standard deviations outside the predictions - that's less than 1 in a million chance.
I firmly believe in Global Worming.
I firmly believe in Climate Chains.
The evidence is so overwhelming. Anyone who is a doubter is an idiot and a stem, and should be hung by their genitals.
This apparent paradox is called climate discombobulation
Everyone by now except governments know we are at the beginning of the mini iceage.
The revolution will set things straight.
Last year news broke that the artic ice cap grew 29% in a year
The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Retur...
The Left. The Right.
Global Warming. No Global Warming.
Tyler. TRW.
Meh....time will tell.
there is no arguing anymore.
global warming is happening on SOME level. but the endless POLITICIZING OF IMMANENT CATASTROPHE is not only NOT scientific but it is a financial scam preying upon naive hippy self righteous mother earth worship.
the throngs of useful idiots are used against those with common sense to impose taxes, regulation, and the plundering of public treasury for subisidies.
the argument they deploy is that even if they are forced to admit the science clearly CANNOT support the prediction of global catastrophe that it is somehow 'clear' enough to be used by policy makers to demand a serious global government response.....costing tremendous resources to solve. when you call this argument 'politicization' of a scientific grey area, they take issue with calling it a grey area, while admiting the science cannot prove there will catastrophic consequences due to global warming.
in other words, the science says the earth is warming , but that they cannot know if it's a problem. in sum, sicnece proves that world is changing as always and that our current exit from the last ice age is occuring at a faster rate than it otherwise would be due to extra greenhouse gasses and human activity in general....
this is the epiphane .....something not altogether unknown ten years ago.
in defense of the global nutszi's------theft and preying upon teh public finances is done by many industries......having nothing to do with 'saivng the world' but with making war and such...
So instead of the penguins drowning they will freeze to death instead, we still need to tax the serfs to pay for it.
These AGW cultists really do think we are stupid.
More ice = Warming Temperatures
it was damn warm here in the northeast last yr, all that heat and snow... blame bush, or romney or maybe raygun...
people gotta git paid so global warming gots ta stay
If sea-ice is floating, changes in the amount of it make no difference to global sea levels.
However, melting ice on land does matter to global sea levels.
Watson
That depends. If the floating ice freezes under conditions of increasingly colder temps because of the start of another glacial epoch, then sea levels will drop, just as they did during the last one. If the floating ice increasingly melts because we are continuing to head into the interglacial warming (which is more likely) then the sea levels will rise a little more. Geologically, we are nearing or at peak global warming if the cycle is anything like previous interglacial periods and so we are also likely nearing peak high sea levels. A chart of the Late Quaternary Sea Level History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level#mediaviewer/File:Sea_level_temp_140ky.gif) suggests that sea levels were higher one to two hundred years ago than they are now. This could merely be a fluctuation or it could also be the peak. Time will tell. Personally, I prefer the continuing blessing of more warming. Natural history suggests that species thrive in warmer times. If by some means there was an unusually great incursion of newly released Antarctic ice into the surrounding sea it would likely result in a minor increase in sea levels as compared to the normal sea level variation attendant upon glacial cycles.
al gore can melt that. he is a huge source of hot air.
no comments from Flak? she up and left after taking one beating after another in the ZH elevator. it got sad towards the end, with flak's promise to post pics of her junk to prove she was a man....lol damn it's warm in here.
The line about Artic Ice shrinking isn't actually true - stop repeating AP lies.
And Mr. Sun says, "I don't give a F what Mr. Gore says."
I know nothing about any of this... ignorance is bliss....now back to my DWTS and my NFL.
If only the rest of these propagandized bozos were this honest. One of the best posts.
"The problem with most Americans is not what they know or don't know, it's what they think they know"
Dr. M. DeWitt Adams
1984
If only the rest of these propagandized bozos were this honest. One of the best posts.
"The problem with most Americans is not what they know or don't know, it's what they think they know"
Dr. M. DeWitt Adams
1984
It's not about climate change, it's about:
1) scaremongering on a grandiose, massive scale.
2) taxes.
There is NO global warming. There might be a global cooling like we've known from the 15th century to the end of the 19th century. Or maybe, but that's very unlikely (because we'd see it), a little warming like we've had in the middle ages, when grapevines grew in Northern Europe even as far north as Iceland. Thankfully, nobody panicked back then. In the middle ages, they just grew the vines and drank the wine. When the climate cooled down in the 15th century, they wore warmer clothes. And that was it.
Great to see that so many have such expertise without having to put significant resources into studying the evidence in detail.
Astonishing that they can't get a job as climate experts or professors with all their ideas on how to acquire useful data to add to out stock of knowledge.
I agree with you Itinerant. Whether it's caused by man or not, the climate is changing. It's been so long since we had a hurricane here in central Florida the insurance companies are actually discussing LOWERING rates! WTF!! Unpossible!!!! The weather patterns have clearly changed here. Ten years ago you could set your watch by the arrival of the regular afternoon thunderstorm. Not any more. This is the "monsoon season" here and it has not rained significantly in over 2 weeks. The hurricanes pass the state by on their way to visit either Texas/Louisiana or head up the east coast to hit the casinos in Jersey. Now you north easterners will get to experience the joy of hurricane season each and every year. You will be thrilled to see your home owner's insurance rapidly become unaffordable to the average person so the rich pricks on the coast can get their's cheaper. Have fun with that!!!
Hilarious. Not everything is a conspiracy. The same thing was stated about the arctic and deniers jumped on it as evidence of 'global cooling'. Coverage does not necessarily imply density, depth, nor temperature. What was revealed in the arctic 'expanding ice' was that while the ice was covering a wider range it was also the thinnest it had ever been. This tends to occur in cycles, one year the ice will be concentrated and thick, while another year it will expand along the surface while being extremely thin.
An experiment. Put an ice cube with fragentation in a glass, as it melts note what you see. There will be more coverage at the surface as the thin fragments rise to the top of the glass. What is happening in the arctic and antarctic should be the same process, fragments of ice mass are splitting off and rising to the surface, and so spreading outwards.
23 hours ago WUWT posted this contrarian thread on an attempt to explain away the additional sea ice by claiming that warming was increasing wind speeds:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/15/claim-new-antarctic-sea-ice-extent...
"The extent of sea ice is driven by the winds around Antarctica, and we believe that they're increasing in strength and part of that is around the depletion of ozone..."
LOL... they really will say/believe anything to support their cause; however, recent studies have shown the ozone spot is repairing itself! ... whoops
Global Warming makes me giggle.
How fucking thick is the Sea Ice? It's evidently thick enough for two dimensional minds.
Oh, Sorry, I left out a lot of the Americans... It's evidently also thick enough for one dimensional minds.