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Ukraine President's Days Numbered After Broad Accusations Of "Betraying National Interests"
As we summarized late on Friday, while Europe has been banging the populist drums over ever-escalating Russian sanctions, it quietly and without much fanfare folded in the one place where Russia could have been truly hurt, the Free Trade (DFCTA) agreement between Ukraine and the EU. But while Europe would have loved for nobody to notice, some did, and not just on these pages: far more importantly, so did the citizens of Ukraine where as the WSJ reports, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko faces rising criticism for his decision to delay implementation of part of a European Union deal to avoid threatened Russian retaliation.
And this is why neither side can afford to blink, because the moment one side folds, its domestic support collapses. And blinking is precisely what Ukraine just did and with that it set in motion the events that will likely terminate prematurely the brief, irrelevant presidency of Ukraine's "Chocolate Baron" Poroshenko.
A senior diplomat resigned in protest over the weekend, and pro-European politicians who are competing with Mr. Poroshenko's party in parliamentary elections next month blasted the decision as caving to Russia, which wants Ukraine to give up the deal and remain in its orbit. The tensions highlight how difficult it will be for Mr. Poroshenko to manage the competing pressures of a Kremlin that isn't backing down and a domestic electorate that wants closer ties to Europe and no concessions to Moscow.
On Friday, Ukraine and the EU agreed to put off implementing a landmark trade deal, which is part of a broader pact aimed at strengthening their ties, after Moscow threatened trade restrictions that would have crippled Ukraine's already limping economy.
A cease-fire in the east, where Russia-backed rebels hold several towns and cities, is still largely holding despite scattered fighting. A government spokesman said Sunday that Ukrainian troops had repelled an assault on Donetsk airport by 200 pro-Russia rebels.
In Kiev, pro-Western rivals of Mr. Poroshenko's party railed against the president's move to compromise at congresses to announce candidates for snap parliamentary elections scheduled for Oct. 26.
It got so bad over the weekend, that former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, who was the person least actively supported by the CIA and US state department in Ukraine's less than peaceful transition in February, and thus lost a May presidential election to Mr. Poroshenko, said the delay in implementing the EU free-trade part of the pact until 2016 was "a betrayal of national interests."
"There can't be a single day of applying the brakes on our path to Europe," she told a party meeting. She also called a referendum on potential membership of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
So as the public mood suddenly and dramatically shifts in its impotent rage directed at Putin up until this point, into a domestic direction in general, and at the new president in particular, Poroshenko appears set to antagonize the public even more, following his disclosure moments ago that he proposes temporary self-governance in separatist-held areas in eastern regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, news service Ukrayinska Pravda reports, citing copy of draft law. Bloomberg has the details:
- Local elections would be held in those districts this yr on Nov. 9
- Local authorities in special districts would have right to participate in appointment of local prosecutors, judges
- People’s militia would be created from local citizens in special districts
- Kiev authorities wouldn’t open criminal cases against participants of uprising in east
- Kiev guarantees right to use, learn Russian language; grants it equal status in special areas, for all Ukrainian citizens
- Ukraine to allocate annual budget spending to rebuild infrastructure, create jobs, back economical development of eastern regions
- Ukraine to allow areas’ “good neighborly relations” w/ Russia to deepen and strengthen
- Law, if approved, to remain in effect for 3 yrs from date of approval
- Parliament may consider draft law among other issues on Sept. 16
- Lawmakers have received copy of draft
And this is how the Ukraine people, at least those in the west and who care about such things, will interpret the move: Poroshenko is handing over East Ukraine to Russia which will now control not only Crimea but also the land corridor leading to it.
The only question we have here is what the over/under is on number of days before Ukraine has yet another presidential crisis, and whether the next president will also be another US-backed puppet?
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All in the name of Empire.
I have noticed that the conversations with statists have become more openly about them actually supporting Empire and Fascism.
I think there are a lot of suicidal idiots out there.
Fuck the EU??
always fuck the EU. amazing, how often we can repeat that sentence, and yet we still find countries that want to join
the one Ukrainian oligarch/kleptocrat/politician-that-was-imprisoned-for-political-crimes that is least liked by the CIA is the one that wants to join the EU and NATO most. following the logic displayed by many commenters in the Soros piece, the CIA is the arch-enemy of the EU?
You're missing the point. This was a quote from Nuland in an intercepted phone conversation with the US Ambassador in Ukraine discussing the succession in Ukraine, proving comprehensively, US "Meddling" in Ukrainian affairs. So my comment was, in this context, applied to the new situation in Ukraine.
MH017 excluded, of course....
I thought what I wrote was based on the exact way you read and quote the situation. anyway, +1
That evil witch Tymoshenko, is just dying to be a part of the circle of warlocks and conjurers running the EU.
In 1962 CIA ran a program designed to instigate war by blowing up passenger jets over unfriendly territories and blaming it on rebels. It was developed for the Nicaraguan Revolution. It is unknown how many passenger jets might've been strategically destroyed onwards.
Originally the plan was to put decommissioned airliners in the sky for remote detonation, but as MH-17 shows, sometimes a real thing will do just fine. Not like anyone's missing MH-370 either.
My guess: the rulers and kleptocrats of the nations of Europe, especially of the former SU and former Warsaw Pact states, are all terrified - of the judgment of their own people. The more compromised they are, the more afraid.
I think the Ukies are starting to calm down and use some fucking common sense, and their loking around at the EU and Scotland and Spain, and France being a nuthouse, and Germany barely holding their "tensions" together, add the middle eastern clusterfuck the West has gotten themselves into there, and who wouldnt "pause"??????
You can be as nervous of Russia as you want, but all the EU is offering is debt and toilet paper currency swaps, while Russia is offering Energy and Food at a discounted price? Wake the Fuck up Ukraine, before your looking like Greece or worse, you dont have a Country!
actualy their Country has dissapeared over the weekend already, my friend
I thought you were brighter than that Ghordius.
The US is attacking the eu just as much as Russia.US hegemony is more important than
europe.The eu will be destroyed economically,or actually, if that is required.
"The American way of life is not negtiable", but europes sure is.
I definitely must find some pretty girl to give me more English lessons, then after philipat I find you too misunderstand what I wanted to say, which is quite complementary to your (btw very profound) comment. Anyway, +1, too
You may find a pretty English speaking woman but it isn't worth it. They are like a shiny plutonium necklace.
Ghordius, your word structure is fine, the problem is they cannot hear the tone of your voice. The way it is written it can have different meanings base upon tone and contex. I think people assume you are being sarcastic and implying the statements of "F the EU" are detached from reality as all these countries are lined up to join and these countries are proof the EU is a good thing.
A simple edit so that it says something like "still find countries who igore this wisdon and are stupid enough that they want to join"
thanks, Stumpy4516. And yet... is it really that stupid to want to join the EU? I know it goes against the grain of many commentators, yet I seldom see anywere that many reasons not to, depending from the POV. Let's say Denmark: what is bad, for Denmark about being in the EU?
"I seldom see anywere that many reasons not to"
Scroll up a little and find the post from renewable life.
Your eyes see what they want to see.
NidStyles, remember that from your* point of view, both (classic) fascists and socialists are statists. But from (classic) fascist's point of view, you* and socialists are both parasitical vermin to be exterminated
*(from your liberty/anti-authoritarian/anarcho-capitalist banner/avatar, then from a fascist point of view there is very little difference between a liberal, a capitalist, a libertarian and an anarcho-capitalist... "all yellow")
Certainly. Control of others means enhanced survival in the animal world. For anarchists though, control is defensive.
Leaving others alone goes against the savagery of nature - might makes right - and the savagery of government lovers.
So Russia wins.
Now its time for the west to feed off its own children again.
Destroy the Euro, Pound, Yen, Aussi dollar etc.
Let Isis put the Middle East in a fundamental funk for decades...
Move on to China and the pacific...False Flag anyone?
Eastern Ukraine should go independent and/or with Russia. They are primarily Russian speakers, for God's sake, who have little or no affinity with the neo-Nazis in the western Ukraine. Imagine the push-back if Mexican Americans gained political control in some portion of the US southwest and ordained that only Spanish will be spoken -- it would be war.
No, completely wrong. Russian minorities are really that: a minority. Don't confuse language use with national and cultural identity. That's like calling an Irishman a British citizen because they share the same language. Or a German/Swiss/Austrian being the same thing. It isn't. Neither would a US citizen be seen as a UK citizen.
The ONLY area with a clear Russian national majority, is Sevastopol (71.6%).
The Krim has a relatively close Russian majority with 58.3%
within "new Russia" AKA GrossRussia, the Luhansk area has a 39.0% Russian minority and Donezk with 38.2%. Which represents the largest minority in eastern Ukraine.
within Putin's GrossRussia, some of the areas he is aiming to grab, have less than 15% Russian minorities.
http://cdn4.spiegel.de/images/image-744727-galleryV9-pztc.jpg
Der Spiegel is a CIA rag equivalent to using White House talking points.
no, it's not compeletly wrong. as you said in both Lugansk and Doneck Russians are the biggest minority indeed. but it doesn't mean there are more Ukrainians than Russians! in fact it;s the other way around:
Ukrainians are minority too! around 30%. the rest is a melting pot. Russians are the bigest ethnic group.
Nationalists in Kiev treat those non-Ukrainians (70% people of Doneck and Lugans) as second-class citizens. they rip their taxes and give nothing. that's why they said enough!
Polonium cocktail or Suicided?
Nailgun....definitely Nailgun.
Nailgun for sure. Just sitting here waiting for my "special" phone to ring.
Wait a minute... you folks are not considering shitgum? That's a more potent weapon.
Shitgum wounds are the worst.
Firing squad
Death by chocolate.
They have a chocolate king they don't want and don't need, and so do we. What a co-incidence.
Sam Beauregarde: Don't talk to me about contracts, Wonka, I use them myself. They're strictly for suckers.
Beware of the eager looking prime minister.
If he's a chocolate king, does the coup get to go down in history as the "Brown Revolution"? It sure smells like one.
The Ukies need to put this ***ker, Yats, and all the dual citizen oligarchs on trial and put em on a lamp post.
They murdered thousands of their own people.
Commanders in the East are talking about that.
excellent article by one of my favourite Tylers
Isn't this the exact same thing that started the whole mess and sent the prior president packing? I guess the CIA/NSA decided it was best to go back to square one and start over.
no, there are no wars, deaths and sanctions...
Obama finally says the N word
New World Order
http://stg.do/mfuh
Somebody aint towing the line...
I'm suprised this guy is still breathing
#Thundercunt
#Thundercunt belongs to Hillary already
Yulia's is #Dumbitch
Yes, apparently it is quite popular in several circles. A multi-purpose tag.
austin @AyyZaloga Dec 13
Shout out to the black lady who hit me with her car today and proceeded to bitch me out even thou it was her fucking fault. #thundercunt
Bruce Grobbelaar @BruceGrobbelaa Sep 12
#cbb who the actual fook is voting for James Jordan ? The cunts still on my telly lurking like a russian terrorist. #Thundercunt #cbbuk
Twizzy @Twizzymusik Sep 11
The man that is @realDonaldTrump needs to let Go of that hairline the king of comb overs #Thundercunt
Dr. Elijah Teatwafle @unreachableitch Sep 14
@HesAProperCunt Anybody, man woman or child that uses the word "Brunch" is a powertwat of the highest denomination #thundercunt #Hesacunt
+1 for Powertwat
ZeroHedge. The world leader in vocabulary enhancement.
He sold out to Putin a month ago.
No he didn't
The IMF felt he didn't sell-out enough to their controlled handlers...
Does this mean we'll be seeing "Porko" hung upside down along with all the other coup subversive professional(s) in Maidan Square before the end of the Year?!!!
Wonder if Vicky will be handing out cookies for that one?!!!
I like the odds of the way this is turning out!!!
There is a big chance of 2 Maidans before new year...
You mean you like the chance of absolute chaos (up a notch or two from now) while the schemers sit back and scheme their next scheme? Nothing will happen to Nuland or anyone else who is really responsible for the deaths of thousands. What is to like about that?
I'm voting for the Mussolini
Strung up upside with his cock and balls stuffed in his mouth
I don't see how the agenda of the U.S. State Department, the C.I.A., and the Brussels Bandits correspond to the "national interests" of Ukraine.
Perhaps if I was an oligarch anxious to get my pockets filled by the International Malevolence Fund and the U.S. taxpayer?
Why is it that every time somebody brings up Petro Poroshenko's name without showing a picture, I picture this guy?
http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/article7278347.ece/alternates/w460/Ali...
Fucking Count Chocula.
Aaaaiigghtt!
Booyakasha!
Isn't that the guy who also has a sister that is the best prostitute in all Kazakhstan -or was that his wife?
Well done EV
Oops there goes another water bug.
Long live Don Cossack
Putin has been screaming check for the last week and it seems the challenger is confused over its next move.
"And this is how the Ukraine people, at least those in the west and who care about such things, will interpret the move: Poroshenko is handing over East Ukraine to Russia which will now control not only Crimea but also the land corridor leading to it"...
Well so much for Hunter Biden's vast untapped shale oil exploit(s), along with Monsanto taking it in the nuts as well...
Too bad he wasn't in Donetsk for the shelling.
I say we send him to battle Ebola.
More like, send him a bottle of Ebola
Come on Vicky, more whoring needed, you stupid bitch.
During last weeks episode of the John Bachelor show, Steven Cohen mentioned a rumor that Putin and Poreshenko might be working on a side deal where the later gets protection from Putin in exchange for helping to create a federalized Ukraine with autonomy for the Russian areas in the east.
Apparently such a federalized Ukraine would make it very difficult for Ukraine to join NATO, so this would be pretty much total victory for Putin. Putin in turn supposedly wants Poreshenko to stay in power, because the next Ukraine leader will almost certainly be even more ultra-nationalist than the current one.
So this is the conspiracy theory that I am following for now.
Political Judo. Poreshenko is doomed if he accepts. He's doomed anyway.
But it's out there for everyone to see, and if the current leaders of Ukraine were not totally insane tools of an increasingly insane Empire this is what they would do.
The Judo Master has yanked off their gi for all to see them in their naked deformity as they fall of their own momentum.
This is very true. Putin does not want a bifurcated Ukraine
"The only question we have here is what the over/under is on number of days before Ukraine has yet another presidential crisis, and whether the next president will also be another US-backed puppet?"
Two questions, actually.
Answer to first, soon. The rage of the betrayed and defeated is surging. But if not in the next week, then soon after the next catastrophic defeat at Donetsk. A few more weeks.
Answer to second: Kiev so-called government is imploding. In their growing panic and mania they could well spurn the hand that feeds them and pick someone - Tymoshenko? - who is unacceptable to the US to lead them in their last paroxysm of rage and self destruction.
My guess is that the US/NATO will support them anyway, and double down.
When insanity rules, it cannot heal itself.
Answer to second: Kiev so-called government is imploding. In their growing panic and mania they could well spurn the hand that feeds them and pick someone - Tymoshenko? - who is unacceptable to the US to lead them in their last paroxysm of rage and self destruction. My guess is that the US/NATO will support them anyway, and double down.
And if your assertion(s) are correct WW if they choose Tymoshenko it will need to be backed by a full frontal assault of NATO into Russian territory, and I don't think anyone sane will see that one taking place anytime soon!
Did I use those words that describe a rational mind that didn't give away all of it's gold and silver for more "full faith and credit" backed by the guarantee of unlimited false flag(s) and the threat of the use of force to anyone that doesn't "buy more" -moar "full faith and credit" that is...
"The wind in the lines made a tattletale sign
'Twas the Witch of NOVEMBER come stealing!"
Are those snowflakes I see?
What the new Ukrainian government did:
* severed relationships between Ukrainian companies and Russian ones, especially, by banning military contracts
* started a civil war. Now nobody wants to deal with Ukrainian companies as nobody knows the outcome of the war
* made it unpatriotic for Russians to buy Ukrainian food and products, and Russia was the largest market
What will the Ukraine sell to Europe when it joins the EU? Its cars, apples, or young women?
Ukraine could export hot fuel rods from Chernoybl to keep themselves and the rest of Western Europe warm this winter. Plus, just think of all the C02 they will save the world from by avoiding dreaded fossil fuels.
if Tymoshenko can't co-op with Poroshenko and Yatsenuk, neo-nazis will largely rule
just look at recent polls (http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2014/09/democracy-ukrainian-style.html)
Radical Party Oleg Lyashko - 12.3 percent
All-Ukrainian Union Fatherland (Tymoshenko) - 9.7 percent
BLOW Vitali Klitschko Party - 6.4 percent
Citizenship Party - 6.4 percent
Solidarity Party (Poroshenko) - 6.2 percent
All Ukrainian Freedom Party - 3.9 percent
Strong Ukraine Party - 3.0 percent
Communist Party of Ukraine - 2.2 percent
Union of Self Party - 1.9 percent
Party of Regions - 1.5 percent
All other parties - 2.3 percent
in case you don't know who is Oleg Lyashko, check this out: http://rt.com/news/178560-amnesty-international-lyashko-abductions/
because Yanukovich was "undemocratic"
One thingie is sure, the day "chocolate man" in no longer King of a bankrupt Ukraine --sold to the West-- he will be able to sell his candy kingdom.
There is the little problem of the Ukrainan gold disappeared in US . If Porkishenko was an accomplice he can kiss goodby to the chokolate factory . An Yats the Yid could lose his banks ....
Chunks have already gone. Some to his ousted predecessor's son!
PorkShanko, fuck him.
I want to watch him and his entire family including his pets burned alive after he is first skinned alive and dragged thru the fucking streets and that goes for that fucking cunt Screwland as well. For what these psychopaths have done to Russian civilians in Donbass there is no foregiveness.
That's a very restrained comment!
Spare his pets please. The rest? Meh
What, no RisingSun telling us it's all Putin and Russia's fault?
He is busy wanking over his portrait of Adolph right now.
Oh yeah, some Russian guy put his 3D plastic printer to good use and has come up with an excellent interpretation of a toilet brush holder in the form of Yulia "GasolineBitch" ToiletShanko who should be burned alive as well after being gang raped by some Aids infected Africans https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10671368...
Now I want a 3D printer
Just think of the 3D Banzai products you could produce from your cartoons and portraits.
I would put this whole thing in this metaphor...
Poroshenko just slept with a whore, the EU, Nato and USA.
It is now morning, and he feels strange inside.
Just like Kane (John Hurt) in Alien.
Does any president can stay longer than 6 month in Ukraine?
So from the list at the end of the article
Canada + quebec = Ukraine + Donetsk * (way more "agro") ?
"Poroshenko is handing over East Ukraine to Russia which will now control not only Crimea but also the land corridor leading to it."
The above is incorrect. The same article says:
"he proposes temporary self-governance in separatist-held areas in eastern regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, news service Ukrayinska Pravda reports, citing copy of draft law"
So, the author should have checked a map of Ukraine before writing about "land corridor"...
Poroshenko says that the Ukraine has no money to rebuild East Ukraine after bombing.
He wants Russia to rebuild the Russian part of the East. Isn't it handing over?
"KIEV, September 13 (RIA Novosti) - The Amnesty Law is the price that Kiev must pay to ensure peace in Ukraine's southeast, whether the government likes it or not, the Chairman of the European Parliament Committee on Foreign Affairs said Saturday during a meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.
"The Amnesty Law is crucial in uniting the country and it is the price that must be paid for peace, even if you don't like it. It is the price for peace and freedom that must be paid," said Elmar Brok, who is also a German Member of the European Parliament."
Nuland found Poro too sissy and she'll probbaly replace him with the grandson of a true Third Reich Nazi flown straight to Kiev from the jungles of Paraguay...
Sieg Victoria!
What's the point in being a billionaire like Poro if you can't serve the DC mafia agenda? Pffff... Poro you Faggot!
WSJ as a source of info is a bullshit without precedence, but quote WSJ: .....and a domestic electorate that wants closer ties to Europe...... Really? The whole maidan was about corruption and oligarchs. Maidan has not been about EU and NATO, these subjects have been reported in the "western" media, not every Ukrainian wants close relation with EU and NATO. 60% of Austrians are against EU, they are not a NATO member.Can they do anything against the corrupt poltiticans? No. Not in the elections. Only with a weapon is the CHANGE possible.
You are making a good point . The elections are rigged , the governments do what the banks and Amerika wants . People's opinion is worth zero . The masses might have to resort to pitchforks or guillotines after bankers and khazars are lined up against the wall .
Stand by for the REAL Nazis to take over, then expect a Russian invasion.
Representatives of Donetsk have already said that they're not content with just the areas they control, they want all of the Donetsk and other "pro-Russian" eastern areas. Of course, if Kaiser Putin tells them to shut the fuck up and take what is given, they probably will. But at the moment it's still a bit unclear who wants what and what kind of compromises are possible.
They say the greatest generals win the battles and the war with no bloodshed.
As far as I can see the very limited bloodshed so far considering this is war is all down to the unholy fuck wits in the State department and its fucking goons and a bunch of fucking ass wipes appointed to run Ukraine.
such a judgement cost hundreds of lives in collateral damage with the ordering to shoot down the Malaysian flight bu the fucking choco faggot and his fucking minions and that third rate scum sucker yats.
But so far Putin has taken Crimea with no losses, and now, no matter what anyone thinks, whether in its that cretinous cunt Nuland or the fucking goons or the faggots in Brussels, Putin is going to take of the Ukraine whatever he wants .
Without bloodshed. At least without bloodshed on the scale of normal wars. absolutely nothing like it,
One by one this general has the players at the table folding, some quietly, some making gagging sounds and some screaming like bitches, especially the shit for brains in Washington.
But fold they do as the stakes rise, and the only one winning is Putin.
Like it or not, he is winning he is going to continue winning, and in the end he will get exactly what he set out to get.
Im shorting the western ponzi shit and markets and going long ruble and RU.
No one and I do mean no one has a hand or a stake big enough to make a big play against Putin now.
Agreed. This must be why the intense urgency to attach ISIL in Syria an allie of Russia. Putin will out play the criminals again.
oBAMA BETRAY U.S EVERYDAY B4 AND AFTER A ROUND OF GOLF AND FILTHY WHITEY GOYIM STILL LOVE THE NEGRO FRONTMAN SPAWNED FROM THE SADISTIC MINDS OF THE BABYLONIAN PRINCES OF THE TALMUD...
U WILL COME TO LOVE YOUR SLAVERY! I WONDER WHEN THEY SEND YOU A TXT MESSAGE OR AN EMAIL SAYING YOUR SON, DAUGHTER, WIFE OR AUNT etc. ARE IN FEMA CAMP 7 AND THEY NEED FOR YOU TO REPORT THERE IMMEDIATELY WHAT WILL YOU DO? "idiots"
The day wouldn't be complete without the obligatory pro-Russian post. Hello Comrade Putin!
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko faces rising criticism for his decision to delay implementation of part of a European Union deal to avoid threatened Russian retaliation
IF FOR PEACE, LET NO ONE, WAVER LEADERSHIP FOR A JUST CAUSE
Poroshenko's torso will soon be minus a head. His neo-nazi replacement will make Islamic State blush.
What's the over under on a coup or assassination before Oct. Elections
"Yulia Tymoshenko"
this is the same cunt who called for nuclear annhiliation of eastern ukraine and russia. i can't wait until that bitch dies.
It always was a backstabbing game.