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Preparing For All Out Iraq War: Joint Chiefs Of Staff Back US Troops In Combat "If Necessary"

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Who could have seen this coming? In yet another example of untruthiness, it appears, according to Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey, testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee this morning, President Obama would back U.S. advisers accompanying Iraqi troops in battle to combat Islamic State militants if necessary. For now, Dempsey noted, Iraqi security forces are "doing fine," but as Republican, Sen. Jim Inhofe noted, "it is foolhardy for the Obama administration to tie its hands and so firmly rule out the possibility of special operators on the ground." Following Hagel's remarks that the fight will "not be an easy or a brief effort," Dempsey said if it doesn’t succeed, he would not rule out advising Obama to use U.S. ground forces.

 

 

As Politico reports,

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel emphasized on Tuesday the United States is at war with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, warning Congress that the fight will “not be an easy or a brief effort.”

 

Appearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Hagel and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey defended the strategy announced last week by President Barack Obama. Dempsey said the approach “won’t look like a shock and awe campaign” but will be persistent and sustained.

 

But if it doesn’t succeed, the top U.S. military officer said he would not rule out advising Obama to use U.S. ground forces.

 

“My view at this point is that this coalition is the appropriate way forward,” Dempsey said. “I believe that will prove true. If it fails to be true and there are threats to the U.S., then of course, I would go back to the president and make the recommendation that may include the use of U.S. military ground forces.”

The Senators had plenty to say...

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said the Obama administration had a “fundamental misunderstanding” of the Free Syrian Army, asking Dempsey how the Syrian rebel groups would fight ISIL and not Syrian President Bashar Assad’s troops. Dempsey said the U.S. has an “ISIL-first” strategy.

 

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But the committee’s top Republican, Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, said Obama’s strategy fell short by failing to acknowledge the threat ISIL poses to U.S. national security.

 

“His claim that ‘America is safer’ may support his political narrative — but it’s not true,” Inhofe said. “Secretary Hagel, I appreciate your honesty when you described ISIL on Aug. 21 as ‘an imminent threat to every interest we have, whether it’s in Iraq or anywhere else.’ I agree with you.”

 

Inhofe also said the president’s strategy was detached from the reality on the ground, arguing that it will “take an army to beat an army.”

 

“I’m not advocating for an army division or combat elements on the ground,” Inhofe said. “But it is foolhardy for the Obama administration to tie its hands and so firmly rule out the possibility of air controllers and special operators on the ground to direct airstrikes and advise fighting forces. It sends the wrong message to our troops to the enemy and to partners.”

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Boots on the ground, it is!!

 

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Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:42 | 5223810 RattNRoll
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Blah Blah.....all these satanic fuckers are full of shit. Fuck off and Die already.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:47 | 5223822 Latina Lover
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Fed Reserve Chair to House Boy Obama:

 

Need more war to stave off financial collapse. But we need liberal support, so you tell everyone that we are sending boots on the ground to protect homosexual rights.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:08 | 5223838 hedgeless_horseman
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Boots on the ground, it is!!

 

Time to watch this 18 minute video, again.

What if this man was you, and this boy was your son? 

What would you do?

 

Back to Plan B, again.

 

The Spice must flow.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:16 | 5223920 Kirk2NCC1701
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How about Plan O (precedes Plan A), aka Plan Obvious:  Pipeline to Iran!  It then links up to the existing Eurasian pipeline network. 

If we are to stop pretending that this is anything but PIECE-MEAL WW3*.

Cut the crap, and let's force Obola to a premature ___, and go full-bore to FULL-MEAL WW3**, complete with ZombieFries (ZombieCrisps for you Brits) and SuperSized.  Bullish for +1000 points on the "Unpossible, Unmanipulated Markets".

 

* Pope Francis called it Piecemeal WW3 a few days ago.

** Yours Truly (Kirk) calls it the Full-Meal/FullMeal WW3 Deal.  SuperSized (with 'nukular' calories) or Regular (chemical calories)?  With Coke?  To pick up (and take home) or to consume on premises?

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:16 | 5223959 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Kirk. You "SOUND" surprised and a "BIT" annoyed so I'll leave you alone cause I know you 'mericans invented "GOING POSTAL".

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:57 | 5224343 Stackers
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Hedgless, Plan-B wont work. It runs through what is soon to be Kurdistan, a couple of large rivers and lots and lots and lots of mountains.... vs. Plan-A which is nothing but a bunch of empty flat desert

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:33 | 5224445 SWRichmond
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Joint Chiefs Of Staff Back US Troops In Combat "If Necessary"

Plan A - Death (other people's children) is what careers are made of.

Wed, 09/17/2014 - 08:27 | 5225652 svayambhu108
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Maybe a geographic map instead of a political one is more appropriate, that has also mountains, rivers etc

 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:01 | 5224141 Kirk2NCC1701
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Dear Invest-More-in-Bangalore, I assure you I am neither surprised nor amazed at the chronic and pathological stupidity and sociopathy, that's exhibited our so-called leaders.

I'm not in danger of "Going Postal", but in "Going Pythonesque".  Pythonesque, as in "Monty Python", which is the Gold Standard in -- watch out, here comes a new word -- SURREAL SATIRE.  At some point, Surreal Sature is one appropriate and healthy response, when things go from the Ridiculous to the Sublime.  :-)

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:49 | 5224486 ILLILLILLI
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Don't you just hate it when you have to explain everything to people...

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:28 | 5224435 Son of Captain Nemo
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h_h

Not funny but a great segue to your link.

http://warisacrime.org/content/laughing-our-way-destruction

 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 21:06 | 5224883 ElvisDog
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So why don't they just make a deal with the Israelis and build the pipeline through Jordan and Israel? Seems like that would be a whole lot easier.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:49 | 5223839 kaiserhoff
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The plan, if it should be so described, is to have special forces go in, and murder the leadership if ISIS.

Unfortunately for Barry, that might give others in the ME similar thoughts.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:52 | 5223852 knukles
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Kaiser, that's like Jamie Dimon dropping dead of throat cancer.  There's a successor awaiting his departure who was groomed for the moment.  And even if the replacement is a failure, the institution carry's on, regardless.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:56 | 5223868 kaiserhoff
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True enough, but it would be a great excuse for a party;)

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:59 | 5223883 knukles
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TOOOOGAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:13 | 5223936 kaiserhoff
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I don't recognize much of what goes on in this country anymore,

  but I'm willing to bet we'll never have an uglier first couple.

Party on Dudes and Dudettes.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:54 | 5224105 Freddie
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Jim Willie has some connections close to Jamie's office and they said the throat cancer story is total BS.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:52 | 5223845 The9thDoctor
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Barack Obama - Ending the Iraq War September 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0NLyx83v3Q

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:52 | 5223847 sphindog
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Let's call this one, "Operation 'build the pipeline'."

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:05 | 5223907 sphindog
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Or even better yet, "Operation 'Do whatever we must to force Russia into the EU'."

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:04 | 5224149 disabledvet
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Meh. "Green light." Move along...

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:52 | 5223848 NoDebt
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If you think Obama was bad just droning the occasional wedding party, just wait till you see the clusterfuck this war becomes.

 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:53 | 5223855 Sandmann
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Iraq War Theatre Act 10

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:06 | 5224154 disabledvet
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Annnnnnnnnmd...ACTION!

Don't look at the camera! Keep moving! Don't look at the camera!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:32 | 5224011 Kirk2NCC1701
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Gen. Dumbsee, based on your App, you have our 15 Minute Approval for Operation BOOTS & PANTS,

Gen. MAX SMELL PYGS will be leading the charge.  Sen. McINSANE will be your primary sponsor and Congressional Lay, son, but you will continue to report to Gen. A. IPAC for oversight.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:54 | 5223863 rejected
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I don't know.....  Takes a lot of money printing to finance these wars. More of that debasement many claim is not happening. The military action (imo) is mostly aimed at Syria, regardless what the rogues say, and getting that pipeline done as fast as possible.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:46 | 5223831 pods
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These fucks just won't go peacefully into the night.  Amerika's time in the spotlight is over. She is a bloated, fat pig who cries at night looking at her high school prom picture.

Blatant empire, and a crumbling one at that.

pods

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:51 | 5223846 MsCreant
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Interesting you were marked down for that. I just came on here to post on the idea that one of the reasons the roman empire fell was because they had over extended their military everywhere and they were burning through treasure to sustain it.

How many war fronts (and now Ebola) can we sustain? Guess we find out here and now.

The prom metaphor works. 

Perhaps someone thinks it is unpatriotic to be so critical?

I would find it unpatriotic not to call it as you see it.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:54 | 5223861 knukles
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We're fighting Ebola?
It's best starved by letting it infect people contained to a specific area and burn itself out.

Fight Ebola.
Like fighting Nature and Nature's God.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:02 | 5223896 Al Huxley
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fighting Ebola - With troops no less - WTF?  Might as well send over 3000 lounge singers or a troupe of jugglers and clowns, they'd be equally capable of 'fighting' ebola.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:15 | 5223949 kaiserhoff
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Apparently, Liberians are incapable of pitching a tent or setting up a field cot.

Matches their competence with latrines.  Why is that our problem?

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 20:17 | 5224746 MalteseFalcon
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I'm done with this issue.  It's clear no adults are going to step up.

Long duct tape, masks and plastic sheeting.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 23:11 | 5225207 COSMOS
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Very true, the Romans and the Parthians exhausted themselves fighting each other to a stalemate.  Basically ran their empires into the shitholes with direct action against each other.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 19:05 | 5224531 tvdog
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The U.N. was calling for advanced countries to set up field hospitals to help out with overwhelmed local health care system.

The risk, of course, is that U.S. servicemen could contract ebola in Africa and bring it back home at the end of their rotation.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:12 | 5223937 One of We
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You didn't hear?  Mcinsane wants to set up a no-fly zone and arm the e-bola liberation front.  Once he gets done he plans to weaponize e-bola and send them into Kentucky....

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:45 | 5224067 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sauron's Umbrella Corp (Redshield) and the US Army need Ebola-fighting as a Full-Dress, Limited-Engagement exercise for when TSHTF (WW3).

The Pope's "Piecemeal WW3" (Beta Version of WW3) scales up against Russian and China, who are the Real and Ultimate Enemies.  IOW...

PieceMeal Squeal of WW3  ---> FullMeal Deal of WW3  

Is that order Supersized* or Regular**?   With Coke and Zombie-Fries/Crisps you say?   Terrific!

* With 'nukular' calories

** With chemical calories

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:18 | 5223961 Bay of Pigs
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Critical thinking isn't a strong point for most Americans. Most will cheer on the next invasion of Iraq, waving flags and so forth.

"Make it a hundred" (how many years the US will remain in Iraq)

John McCain 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:00 | 5223890 rubiconsolutions
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<-- I would discourage my child from enlisting

<-- I would encourage my child to enlist

 

Knowing what I know about the military and its goals and who it provide the best service to and cover for....

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:42 | 5223811 Dr Strangemember
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If Necessary???  Oh, I'm sure someone is going to find it "necessary".  No doubt about that!  

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:15 | 5224196 balanced
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They are so full of shit. Troops are already being told that they'll soon be headed to Iraq and Syria.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:44 | 5223816 The Carbonator
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If I can't OWN a gun I will not CARRY one for this Government.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:06 | 5224157 10mm
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No need too. Those imigrants coming in will serve as a condition of citizenship.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:44 | 5223817 Hippocratic Oaf
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Take out the 'dictators' of these countries and this is what you get.

Then get the fuck out too early?

Riiiiiiigght

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:58 | 5223873 Al Huxley
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Actually, I think this is what you get when you put it in place - ie:  if you establish and fund ISIS and encourage them to establish an Islamic state so you'll have an excuse to invade Syria and establish a route for the Qatari NG pipeline, then you'll get an Islamic state and an excuse to invade Syria so you can establish a route for the Qatari NG pipeline. 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:00 | 5223884 NoDebt
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Obama's always been a 'back door man' anyway.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 21:45 | 5225010 Shad_ow
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Then, as POTUS, say you will not authorize boots on the ground.  But of course then you have to because you have a general take the heat for you and demand it. 

F-ing liar.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:44 | 5223818 Infinite QE
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Is it not time for a capital punishment to be implemented for war incitement and profiteering?

 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:44 | 5223819 the not so migh...
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The bankster overlords demand blood again in iraq

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:43 | 5223820 jubber
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Bullish, Dow 18k here we come

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:55 | 5223865 Cortez
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18k seems light.  Once we start really wrecking shit up, pundits will be calling for DOW 40,000.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:46 | 5223828 jubber
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So where do you want to get posted Ukraine, Liberia, or Iraq/Syria? bit of a quandary

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:54 | 5223862 Sandmann
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forgot about Vietnam - must be time to return as China expands

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:51 | 5224490 Stormtrooper
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Already got posts dug in around the property line to stop the hungry zombies after the collapse.  Don't need Ukraine, Liberia, etc.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:48 | 5223832 Goldilocks
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Nancy Sinatra Bang Bang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Xl0Qry-hA (2:42)

Nancy Sinatra - These Boots Are Made for Walkin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww (2:29)

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:56 | 5223869 p00k1e
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Iggy Azalea - Pu$$y (Explicit) Official Music Video

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfwTyToeDI

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:51 | 5224314 rejected
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Games People Play. Joe South

 

What are we fighting for? Country Joe and the Fish

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWcDt8566g

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:53 | 5223843 Son of Captain Nemo
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A question General Dempsey aka older than old stupid fuck and the rest of the cocksucker(s) that comprise the JCS at the "Pentagram"!...

What do they have on you? Knowing what you already know with your limited cognitive skills regarding the economy, can the pay really be that good when you know your lender of last resort is insolvent and continues to be incapable paying your bills? And will it be worth it all when you make more of what you already have too much of "dust" that may never settle in the places you're destroying which most assuredly will never settle in your lifetime and in fact will probably wind up inevitably resting on "you"?!!!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:52 | 5223853 Sandmann
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Dempsey is an interesting case - seems to be a non-combat soldier but he did have responsibility for building up the Iraqi Armed Forces -- they were apparently snowmen because they melt away at the site of enemy heatspots.

This is surely one of America's greats - taught English at West Point, no doubt as part of the foreign languages program.

The career path of generals in the modern US Military is most odd

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:58 | 5223876 NoDebt
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They are pretty much political appointments.  Hagle's been cleaning house of the old guard and replacing them with brass that is more Obama-compliant.

It's why I laugh when the MSM says Obama is doing this "reluctantly".  Bullshit.  They're his own fucking guys on that TV saying this stuff.  

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:53 | 5224331 r00t61
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In order to get promoted to flag rank (Admiral/General), one needs to get official Congressional confirmation as part of the process.

Thus, they are not just "pretty much" political appointments.  They are, by definition, by de jure law, political appointments.

I once had an Army Captain tell me that flag officers are nothing more politicians that wear different clothes.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:56 | 5224114 falconflight
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Even the military establishment is rotted to the core, but that's been at least in part due to the political purge implemented by Valerie Jarrett and Company.  I wouldn't join this military under any circumstances.  Let the LGBT Brigade do the fighting or dying.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:23 | 5224224 Freddie
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The guy who controls the nukular arsenal is a dual citizen.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:54 | 5223857 Vooter
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Hahahahahaha...have fun, you fucking dipshits! Maybe NEXT time you'll figure things out...or not!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:56 | 5223866 Hongcha
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Utmost hubris, insane.  They have deliberately beaten the drums of war and fanned the flames of this since inception.  I will never say "God Damn You" to any other human being; but am sometimes tempted.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 20:02 | 5224690 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I will never say "God Damn You" to any other human being; but am sometimes tempted.

No need to, really, if you believe that God is just, and that justice extends beyond this plane of existence.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 23:27 | 5225242 StychoKiller
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Ain't seeing much "Justice" on this plane of existence, so there better be some on the next!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:56 | 5223870 q99x2
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This is Goldman Sachs. This is Goldman Sachs on drugs.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:57 | 5223874 ToNYC
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"If Necessary" Repeat Massive Fail, every damn time!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 15:58 | 5223881 Kirk2NCC1701
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As I posted earlier today (5223187 ) and is fitting to re-post here...

The headline we need to see: "Russia will hold Joint Military Exercises in Syria, to counter the dangers of ISIS.  1,000 Russian troops, IC3* and equipment will be sent to Syria.  These troops will consist of Ground-to-Ground and Ground-to-Air capabilities that protect Syria's sovereignty, until such time that Syria can do so on its own."

* IC3 = Intelligence, Command, Control, Communication

p.s. Fuck you Puppet-In-Chief Obola, fuck you Ziocon NuttyNyahoo, fuck you Wahhabist-scum Saudis!

pps. This would be a great way for the Russian military to hold live and real  exercises to test their Mil HW and Systems -- before the real shit starts in Ukraine, which it will.  It also hamstrings Obola and delays the Qatari pipeline longer.  But keep offering Qatar to run the pipeline to Iran instead.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:44 | 5224300 rejected
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One can only wish.

It wouldn't stop this governments quest for wAr but it would slow it down for sure.

 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:00 | 5223882 smacker
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Here's a prediction:

Sending boots on the ground in to Iraq is cover for what the USG really really wants to do: send boots on the ground in to Syria. And as night follows day, if the fomer happens, so will the latter. After all, ISIS operates inside Iraq AND Syria.

That could draw in Iran and Russia.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:05 | 5223899 Chupacabra-322
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"That could draw in Iran and Russia."

And, China for the Trifecta. The result bing WWIII with the Sampson Option for the Criminal NWO Psycopathic Pure Evil Lucerferians.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:08 | 5224167 Kirk2NCC1701
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.  What chupa said.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:21 | 5224214 Crash N. Burn
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"Sending boots on the ground in to Iraq is cover for what the USG really really wants to do: send boots on the ground in to Syria....That could draw in Iran and Russia."

Syria has a mutual defense pact with Iran. China has proposed a pact with Russia and Iran.

US government mistakenly still thinks the world is her bitch. 'Bout to go tits up in a big way.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:34 | 5224260 smacker
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Right. The USG obviously know about these mutual defence pacts and will have calculated that by going in to Syria, Iran and Russia will be drawn in.

That is likely exactly what Washington wants to happen, having failed so far to start a war with Russia in Ukraine.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:00 | 5223887 olle
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When was tha last time an regular army beat down guerillafighters... has it ever happened? Nam, Afgan, Africa, Ukrai, Hamas etc.... this war is so stupid....

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:14 | 5223946 Winston Churchill
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Malaysia in the 1950's.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:24 | 5223974 olle
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Ok, Winston copy that

... but the odds are not good...

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:06 | 5224159 walküre
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Why not? ISIS is not even a guerilla army.

What is all this bullshit really about? The beheadings are questionnable and the sudden international interest and the US pressuring the world into this war against ISIS are so cliche.

My sons would not die for this.

 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:41 | 5224291 rejected
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Philippines. 1898?

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:03 | 5223894 roadhazard
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 Promotion is always faster in combat, and it's not their money. 

"Bring it on" ~ Dub

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:03 | 5223900 Son of Captain Nemo
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“His claim that ‘America is safer’ may support his political narrative — but it’s not true,” Inhofe said. “Secretary Hagel, I appreciate your honesty when you described ISIL on Aug. 21 as ‘an imminent threat to every interest we have, whether it’s in Iraq or anywhere else.’ I agree with you.”...

I love the smell of nanothermite in the Fall air....

It smells like Armageddon!!!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:04 | 5223901 B2u
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What about the Nobel Peace Prize?

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:14 | 5223902 tony wilson
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they raped libya

stole all the billions from sovreign wealth funds put in a rothschild bank.

dumped hundreds of tons of billion year cancer depleted uranium.

destroyed gadaffis mega water project contaminated the source forever.

stole the gold for tel aviv,london and new york and sodomised the colonel bbc mi5 man gabriel gatehouse just happened to be within 200 feet of him when he was captured big country what zionist tavistock luck.

today it is

rape pillage deconstruction simply because chatham house and brookings said iraq needs to be broken into 3 parts uk,usa and israel.

destroy syria and thus weaken hezbollah.

 

 

soon be time to see if this is real or a scripted play.

if iran and russia do not help syria then back end deals will allready have been done.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:05 | 5223911 thamnosma
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First, infect the 3000 we're sending to Liberia, then move those over to infect ISIS.  The Ebola brigade!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:07 | 5223916 falak pema
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Amazing.

Four months ago Obammy balked at bombing Assad after the chemical incident.

It seemed like the ME "divide and ruin" plan after Libya, continuation of US/Saud nation ruining defiance of all who challenged status quo in the region. But he got negative feedback, maybe from Putin's stance on Iran etc.

Then Ukraine stand-off occurred and Putin showed his hand and now the bigger Cold War conundrum is looming big.

Pax Americana has been openly challenged by someone who can turn the tables on the West, given his rapprochement with BRICS/China and his Gazprom reserves making him king of Energy Asia. 

And the US MIC tells Obammy on this ISIS issue  : you have to go ALL IN NOW in ME. Don't wait for a Far East showdown with China. Its NOW and its in the OIL PAtch, which we could lose with Iran/Putin/Assad axis.

Soo... in the ruins of the divide and ruin GWB game, of adding disaster to disaster, Pax Americana has to play at the poker table of Syrac with an enemy which is the people of Near Asia; just like then in Nam it was the people of three tiny countries who defied the US...

The stakes are high now, as China today and Russia of Putin have reuscitated, having learned from Mao's autistic and USSR's politico-economic demise.

What has the US learnt from its past disasters, now wallowing in its fiat "print to infinity" mad spiral ????

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:29 | 5224005 SocialismIsCancer
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This is an essential next step in the process of the American troops finally getting pissed off enough over being sent to slaughter in iron-age shitholes by corrupt immoral politicians and responding by taking control of the government in WADC and liberating the American people from the corrupt immoral politicians.

 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:41 | 5224032 tony wilson
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from saker blog
Anonymous said...

ISIS is a creation of the UK/USA/Israel, with all the senior ISIS leaders having been trained at British bases in Jordan and Qatar. This isn't any form of secret.

ISIS (and Boko Haram- Hilary Clinton's personal project) were created to construct Greater Saudi Arabia- the collected Whabbi-controlled States that will dominate the Muslim world.

The FAKE beheading videos (created by a CIA/MI6 team and purporting to show the death of known MI6 and CIA agents) were designed for a single purpose- to give the UK and USA cause to bomb targets in Syria. While the sheeple are told these targets will be ISIS, a few days ago Obama stated that the first time any Syrian air defence system locks onto an illegally invading US jet, the USA will declare war against Assad and his regime.

You'd need an IQ in single figures NOT to understand the usefulness of the fake beheading videos. BTW it is very interesting to me how certain people who CLAIM to be on our side push the idea that these videos are genuine. Not only are they fake, they fall over themselves to be as bad a fake as possible.

Why? Because within a year or so, the victims will turn up alive, and the governments of the USA and UK will declare that ISIS faked the videos (hence their crummy quality) in order to keep possession of high-value hostages for possible later negotiation. The 'liberation' of these supposed 'dead' individuals will be sold as one of the greatest acts by US Special Forces ever witnessed.

Edward Bernays (Goebbels' personal Guru) stated that the sheeple are that easy to manipulate.

Obama and Cameron are just two of Tony Blair's less bright dingle-berries. They are frontmen, who the usual suspects attempt to 'sell' as actual leaders.

PS the illegal West attacks in Syria are waiting for Putin to finally act in Novorussia. The West is holding Putin's feet to the fire over Ukraine, and when Putin finally understands he has no choice but to act, his entry into Ukraine will be used to justify the entry of the UK and USA into Syria.

Putin's Coterie of traitors- the ones who advised him to NOT send in peacekeepers into East Ukraine on Day One- will tell Putin he has no choice but to back off in Syria, allowing the Demons to finally give ISIS complete victory as the UK and USA bomb Assad's forces into extinction. And Putin, sadly, will betray Syria, because Syria falls strictly in the lands defined by the Ancient Roman Empire, which is just about the same sphere of influence of the modern West Empire in Europe.

And Putin won't care, because he BACKS the project to construct Greater Saudi Arabia, just as Putin backs the current unthinkably evil regimes in Israel and Egypt.

You want a 'happy end' to this story? Sorry, you're living in fantasy land.

16 September, 2014 15:17

 

 

 


What Syria Can Do When The US Bombs ISIS In Syria - Morris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnJ7Vx_JPGQ&list=UUweyNwo4cZM5gsIpuG4Zlew

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:38 | 5224036 tvdog
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"'If I found that circumstance evolving that I would of course change my recommendation,' Dempsey said. 'An example: If the Iraqi security forces and the [Kurdish Peshmerga forces] were at some point ready to retake Mosul -- a mission that I would find to be extraordinarily complex -- it could very well be part of that particular mission to provide close combat advising or accompanying for that mission.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/16/senate-isis_n_5830016.html

Mosul is a Sunni city of more than 2 million people. Neither the Peshmerga nor the Shia-only Iraqi army wants to enter there. Therefore it will be American ground soldiers.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:14 | 5224191 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen. American prosthetics will be a "BIG" business for the next 20 or so years.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:40 | 5224044 22winmag
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CONgress = useless.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:00 | 5224138 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen. You Americans.

No objections, no riots. No "ASSASSINATIONS".

"YOU" are "COMPLICIT" evil-do'ers!!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:45 | 5224065 Pumpkin
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God made it very clear that their one world government isn't going to happen.  Give it up already.

Wed, 09/17/2014 - 09:16 | 5225825 johnmack
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if at first you dont succeed try try try again

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:46 | 5224071 IronForge
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Shock and Awe?

Guess that was a done deal; and it never could replace Boots on the Ground.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:50 | 5224087 falconflight
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This community organizer promised to fundamentally change this nation, and he has been wildly more successful than I could have imagined. He's not incompetent in terms of promoting his world view. He is a highly shrewd political animal. He's not the POTUS to lead a people, but to promote and implement his ideology and his party's ideology. Mission accomplished.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:02 | 5224090 robertocarlos
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Chris Kyle was shot dead.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:53 | 5224100 kchrisc
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Operation "Must Occupy Syria for Israel"

"Do it or we'll unleash the Dancing Mossads and have them party like it's 9/11."

An American, not US subject.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:54 | 5224104 MrBoompi
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Wars are by definition inflationary, which means 1) TPTB love wars and 2) the dollar in my pocket is guaranteed to be worth 5 cents in 10 years.  These assholes need to quit pretending they are protecting the American people.  They don't give a shit about us.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:55 | 5224106 zipit
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BOTG, bitchez.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:56 | 5224111 zipit
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BOTG, bitchez.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 16:55 | 5224112 zipit
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BOTG, bitchez.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:07 | 5224158 quadratic_equation
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"I would go back to the president and make the recommendation that may include the use of U.S. military ground forces.”

 

I wonder where they're going to get troops when they're drawing down the military.  Army is laying off 2500 captains and 550 majors.  Who's going to command the companies or troops or where are they going to get men so send into ground combat?  Note, I didn't say women because women have no business going into front lines and living the "Spartan" way.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:37 | 5224272 rejected
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The draft was mentioned in a recent Huffington Post article.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:13 | 5224389 One of We
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A draft will never happen because it would end this bullshit in a second.

Wed, 09/17/2014 - 01:44 | 5225405 Freddie
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Who cares at this point.  Stop saluting the colonel like a dumbass.  Anyone who let's their kids join the military is pretty much signing the kids death sentence.  If not Afghan then ebola in Africa.   Keep watching TV and Hollywood like sheep.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:13 | 5224185 falconflight
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330  million people, a superpower, a nation with the revolutionary document of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the Republic, and the best we can muster for leadership is no better than a third world nation. They are a reflection of the population.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:35 | 5224266 rejected
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POWERS of CONGRESS

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11. To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water:

 

Sorry but I don't read and cannot find anywhere in the Constitution where the military or the Executive can make war except possibily in an emergency until Congress can meet.

Nor do I see anywhere where Congress can delegate this authority.

 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:41 | 5224288 NoWayJose
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There are no jungles or tunnels in Iraq, so ISIS would have a hard time holding any open ground.  The problem, of course, is that ISIS could put up quite a fight in cities and towns.  And the big problem there is that civilians live in those towns.  We had better be prepared for that kind of fighting, because it gets really bloody, really fast...

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:41 | 5224320 Kirk2NCC1701
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Further to those (of us) who see the attacks on ISIS on Syrian soil as a prelude to attacks on Syria itself, RT just posted that the US is now treatening Syria's Air Force, if it tries to keep out US planes from attacking ISIS in Syria.

IOW... US to Syria:  If you defend yourself from us, we will attack you even more.

Boy, don't those Syrian look REALLY dumb now, for not having their WMDs any more?  Who would've thought it?

Which makes it blatantly clear that our ZOG will occupy Syria or any other country that the Zionists want us to.  Which brings us to the... REAL QUESTION:  What will Russia do?

If they show only moral support (all talk) and Diplomacy, it means that they have done something far worse than "Make a deal".  They've capitulated.  Russia needs to send 2000 Troops (with Ground and Air defenses) to protect key Syrian assets.  This means shooting down US planes, if need be.  If they won't do that, it means they lack confidence in their air defenses.  And if that is the case -- and the US and Israelis are very keen to put that to the test -- then it means that Ukraine is also up for grabs.  How Russia handles the US aggression in Syria will tell us... everything:

Russians might play chess, but Americans play poker.  They know how to read, how to posture and bluff, when to raise, when to call.  At some point, you gotta call 'em on their hand -- before you lose it all, bit by bit.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 19:34 | 5224614 Winston Churchill
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Said that here a month ago Jim.

Syria is the litmus test on whether Putin is the real deal, or just a bit player for the NWO.

And the whole world is waiting for the result.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 17:59 | 5224356 Fix It Again Timmy
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Really?  We should never have been there in the first place and once we left, we should never return!  What should be done is to jail and prosecute all involved in this illegal war, starting with Dicky Cheney and working on down!  Iraq, you fix your mess, US you fix your mess starting with Cheney.... 

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:17 | 5224404 pupdog1
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Hey!

Maybe now we can get another trillion so that the F-35 can be almost as fast as its competitors!

And then I'll get a $200k/year board seat when I retire!

 

--M. Dumpsey

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:17 | 5224408 FreeNewEnergy
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WTF? Send in the clowns. Or troops. There's nothing stopping el Presidente dick-smoker from sending the Marines, the Army, Navy, Air Force, fuck, send the Coast Guard and Billy's Cub Scout troop.

We are well past the point at which the American public even gives a shit what the government does. They do whatever the fuck they want, no matter what, so why bitch and moan about it.

Anyhow, I saw some ISIL guys hanging out at Wal-Mart, looking for trouble, so we better get going on beating these guys, they're so fucking dangerous. Just go over there and kill about two million towel-heads, that will teach them to fuck with the United States, especially since they haven't fucked with us yet, except for the fake beheadings.

Fuck this shit. I am making sauce from the bounty of tomatoes in my garden. And it's fantastic. Fuck Obama and his dick-sucking Sec of Def., the phony Hagel. Look up his history about how he won his first election to the Senate. A complete fraud. Fuck these assholes.

More pasta!

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 18:25 | 5224427 falconflight
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No one has indentified the vital nat'l security threat presented by ISIS period.  Since Americans couldn't care less as it doesn't even effect their IPad lives, the Gov't can send Americans mercenaries to fight and die at will.  

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 19:42 | 5224634 robertocarlos
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I won't shop at Mall of America with ISIS around. And not shopping is a threat to the American way of life. Exceptionalism if you will.

Tue, 09/16/2014 - 20:27 | 5224781 ntbktrader
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We can't even protect our own borders... What a failure we are

Wed, 09/17/2014 - 09:14 | 5225817 johnmack
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What a ripe time for the son of peredition to arise and save us all with his false "miracles".

 

 

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