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Russia To Deploy "Full-Scale Military Unit" In Crimea
Just a day after NATO began military exercises (with troops from the US) near the city of Lviv in Western Ukraine, WSJ reports Russia's Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu is responding to the "rising foreign military presence," near Russia. In a not-so-de-escalatory move, Shoigu explained that NATO's comments were "light-minded" and his ministry's key task now is to "deploy a full-scale and self-sufficient force grouping" in the Crimea region.
First this...
Russian Defense Ministry official calls light-minded NATO general's statements about Russian military presence in Ukraine
Then, as The Wall Street Journal reports,
Russia will set up a full-scale military unit on the annexed peninsula of Crimea in response to "rising foreign military presence" next to Russia, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday, Interfax news agency reported.
One of his ministry's key tasks now is to "deploy a full-scale and self-sufficient force grouping" in the Crimea region, Mr. Shoigu said.
The statement comes a day after the North Atlantic Treaty Organization began military exercises with troops from the U.S. and other NATO members near the city of Lviv in western Ukraine. The exercises had been slated to take place earlier but were delayed to Sept. 15-26 because of the turmoil in eastern Ukraine. The U.S. and NATO accuse Russia of deploying tens of thousands of troops along its border with Ukraine.
As far as the ceasefire.. it's still on...
- "More than 10" civilians die in shelling of east Ukraine town - military
- OSCE DOESN'T REGARD EXCHANGES OF FIRE BETWEEN MILITIA AND UKRAINIAN SERVICEMEN AS END TO CEASEFIRE - RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVE KELIN
- LAVROV: CEASEFIRE IN UKRAINE REMAINS, THOUGH CERTAIN INCIDENTS TAKE PLACE BUT THEY SHOULD FADE AWAY
Hhmm - seems they have a different definition of truce... though Ukraine needs to keep stocking up its arms deliveries.
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Calling the NATO statement light-minded is being very kind...I'd go with retarded
Oh noes! Teh Russains are invading Russia again!
Thoes EVEL commonists!
Somebody DO SOMETHING dammet!
Good. Lets get this party started.
FUCK the KIEV ZIO-FASCISTS
RIPS
WTF does "Full-Scale" even mean here?
Sounds like propaganda.
Tactically, I think it means they're gonna shove a bunch of military assets onto a peninsula that strategically can't be held in modern times against a determined force without major reinforcements and escalation.
In other news, Pooty signs off on boots on the ground to combat ebola and starving kittens.
(Not really)
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I love my downers, no sense of geography, history, tactics or humor ;-)
i said it once before and ill say it again...
everything East of the Dneiper river is GONE!
all the russians have to do is go from the crimea (through the Isthmus of perekop) and follow the dneiper river north...from the western military district south, following the dneiper river until those pincers meet...everything east is TOAST!!!
and i always said 'dont poke the bear"...it will hurt you...
does anyone know which unit it is???
Gotta love that "Wall Street Urinal..>:
Russia will set up a full-scale military unit on the annexed peninsula of Crimea
Thought they had a popular vote there? A referendum with a landslade in favor of joining Russia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal
Putin just gave his mistress a new plush job. I'd never defend that caveman. He a real piece of shit.
Indeed, tough battle between all the retards people call politicians.
Listen. Your American "LEADER" is so NOBEL. Polluting the Whitehouse with the Wookie, and little Mercedes and Diamond twerking to their Be-on-say video on BET... LoL. FUCKING PERVERSIONS.
And I thought the yen was doomed.
So how would you assault it? Id love to hear how you think it would be easy to overtake.
Didn't Russia already have like 15,000 troops in Crimea along with their naval fleet?
and could have up to 25k troops for a limited period of time
that was the old lease agreement not the new
Funny that you think there will be a "new" lease agreement.
yeahhhh about that lease agreement...that was broken once the Ukraine.gov went full retard and started shellling apartment complexes, among other things.
.. more like 25,000.
if it weren't so stupid it would be funny. We're condemning Russia for putting troops along their own border!!!!
It's like total bizarro world. I guess, since the US refuses to defend any of it's borders...the thought itself is offensive.
If the illegals created armed groups in CA, AZ, & TX - backed by Mexico, Iran, & China - and put their armies on the US border - while sending volunteer soldiers & weapons to arm illegals in the US - you wouldn't sit there and call it an innocent troop exercise on the part of MEX, Iran, & China.
Why did Russia send S-300s to Belarus when Poland acquired just 52 F-16s?
Why did Russia station nuclear Iksander missile trucks north of Poland in Kalingrad?
Those actions are completely disproportionate & speak of Russia's continued aggressive abuse of its neighbors.
Russia for sure isn't innocent & your post makes you sound like you're just being an ass anyway.
I'm an antifaschist and an anti-communist. I believe people should be free to make their own decisions about their lives and for the most part, the lives of their families.
I don't disagree with you...my point was the hypocrisy of the Washington elites, not to suggest that Moscow is a virtuous place.
....but, Russia and Iksander missles haven't been a secret for the past 8+ years, so....moving them around just reminds us all of what has already existed. It's not a new threat.
Washington elites hypocrisy..you're right - I'll admit that to you.
Those politicians need to get removed. Thing is that starts with non-elites..
Iksanders - yes it's been known for some time, which is why it will take Poland time to build a $40B missile defence shield - but let me guess, ZH believes poor Russia is endangered by a defensive system & that when a country modernizes its military the sole purpose is to attack Russia - a military might no small country would dare attack in reality.
Exactly who's backyard is all this bullshit taking place in?
Washington's? Or Moscow's?
That might help the intellectually lost figure out just WHO the aggressor really is.
What's your point? What exactly are you calling "bullshit"?
Just because Poland is modernizing its military - doesn't mean that the reason is to attack Russia. Poland is a sovereign peaceful nation. If Russia wanted good relations they wouldn't station short range tactical nukes on its neighbors' borders.
LOL. Poland is not sovereign, it is occupied by NATO! The last polish cabinet that made noise about Polish sovereignty got plane crashed.
And Poland is not peaceful- they are hosting, arming, training, and supporting the Ukrainian neo-nazis who have overthrown the government and are now forming "punative" elements outside the national military. All this is directed at Russia.
The Warsay Pact was duly disbanded, there are no more Russian in Soldiers in Germany...but this is what USA does-
http://youtu.be/e8QdY2oC-BE
You're an idiot - NATO is their ally & they're not occupying Poland, fucking retard
But the best thing that ever happened to 'Merica was fascism and communism duking it out.
That and Pearl Harbor.
I'll never understand that one. "We're so afraid of the Russians we'll at the Americans"? Someone needs to explain that to me.
Wait, do you seriously not realize that you are answering your own questions while asking them?
Count Russia's military bases around the world.
Count reserve fiat currencies Russia shoves down the world's throat.
How many Goldman Sachses does Russia house? How many Goldman Sachs alumni that now destroy whole countries are Russians?
Count governments Russia overthrew around the world.
Count Russian film actors and celebrities and penetrate your brain every day.
What I realize is that you're making yourself sound like a Gazan by taking piece-meal opinionated events - such as using civilians as human shields - and then tries to win hearts & minds through a very twisted version of events.
So, NATO puts troops in ukraine - a very long way from the atlantic and yet
The U.S. and NATO accuse Russia of deploying tens of thousands of troops within its own country! breathtaking arrogance.
Joe have you happened to notice how many thumbs down you have received? Does that speak well of your posts? Not really.
I don't create internet opinion polls when I place my trades so screw you and screw ZH!
"Those actions are completely disproportionate & speak of Russia's continued aggressive abuse of its neighbors."
You're right, Russia is the aggressor! Why did Russia build its country so close to Nato bases otherwise?
By the same token - with your logic it should be ok for any country to mass its troops at the Russian border.
"Calling the NATO statement light-minded is being very kind...I'd go with retarded"
'Retarded' is still too kind.
Well nothing has happened to Dimon or Blankfein yet. I consider it a war against sheeple until the bankers that are funding the operations are brought to justice.
don't know about blankfein but i hear dimon has throat cancer with the likeliest cause eating pussy. not really rough justice, but, maybe, poetic justice.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2014/07/02/why-thousands-of-me...
We can only hope that eating pussy isn't the only way to get throat cancer. Otherwise we will never get rid of Obummer via throat cancer.
Listen. Did someone say "CANCER"?!
"DO YOU HAVE CANCER?"
Jamie's got it from munching puss, but Carl got it from deep throating boy-cock. OH!
Crimea was not annexed in the commonly used meaning of that term. It was an autonomous part of Ukraine, and it reunited with Russia, which it was part of from 1783 to 1954, until the Ukrainian Soviet leader Khrushchev gave it from the Russian Soviet Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic as a "gift". The vast majority of Crimean residents are ethnic Russians and 96% of Crimeans voted to reunite with Russia, rather than remain in Ukraine.
The vast majority of Crimean residents are not 'ethnic' Russians. They are just Russians, & have been for hundreds of years.
Crimean Tartars lived there for 100 more years than the Russians have.
The Russians also deported the Crimean Tartars.
But that doesn't fit into the putin love fest going on here - which is why you omitted that cause it didn't fit your script.
That means Putin supporters on this website have no credibility.
History isn't your strongest suit.
"Russians deported Tartars" ...
BBC education?
And basic research isn't your strongest suit, dumbass.
Name-calling really does not fortify the soundness, depth and logic of your argument.
Yet you have nothing to say about his insults - so fuck you!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars
says there that stalin's deportation (for collaboration with the nazis during ww2, done in '44 while the war was still being fought) of the tatars and other non-russian groups involved about a fifth of the population of crimea.
Proves that Crimea doesn't belong to russia
Joe, the original Tatars were using Crimea as a springboard for slave raids. Over 2 million were taken, then Russia got fed up and took the place. It was soon populated by Russians and others from all over the Empire.
Which proves russia's claim to Crimea is illegitimate.
"The Russians also deported the Crimean Tartars."
True. That was Stalin, back then. In 1980, they were allowed back in Crimea. Today, the Crimean Tatars (not Tartars) have been granted official status for their language and land amnesty by Putin.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/04/22/stalin-victims-incl-cri...
To quote you, "And basic research isn't your strongest suit, dumbass."
Well, it doesn't seem to be yours either. That's what happens when you want to hate at all costs: no stinkin' facts are going to deter you.
Joe, how do you feel about what we did to the Native Americans here in the good ol USA? I would be curious to hear that since were talking about history. GO USA right!!!
Stalin deported even his own Georgian ethnic kin from their homes. Or did you mean like the US Army deported millions of 'red' Indians to hell, right after infecting them with smallpox laced blankets? North America too was once 96% Indian, right?
For western MSM facts don't matter as much as hard cash.
Yep. Of course Stalin "deported" everyone.
Even Stalin was deported.
It is ironic that the only person he ever really admired was Hitler.
"That's Stalin for ya." I highly recommend Milovan Djislas's books...especially Conversations with Stalin. It would be wrong to view this raging pschyo as shy.
It's really one of his more interesting attributes.
"Uncle Joe and Uncle Adolph." Yep! "Just yer friendly provider" that's all!
Ukraine is game to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw
(50 seconds)
It's still good, but never as good as the first time you see it.
Nice recall
(Wasn't the label maker the gift from the future Walter White, Brian Cranston? )
When NATO does it,,they call it exercises, when Russia does it its call millitary escalation, brutal show of force, invasion...etc..etc..etc
Can anyone explain the definition of annexation to me?
FUCK NATO!
annexation - take someone land by force without asking of residents. Good example - Guantanamo or Kosovo
HAWAII
37 u.s states.
Wow. The Americans here are rooting for the Russian. (Moi, aussi.)
We must be nearing some great catastrophe.
Yes Americans who are awake, and can now see clearly the lies contained in the shoddy propaganda spewed by .gov would definitely be considered a catastrophe.
Its not near, its here, now.
clinton as warm up, then bush and obama back to back. g.h.w. bush, et. al. had the sense to hide at least some of the evil (although he famously laughed giving gerald ford's eulogy when he referred to oswald (ford was on the warren commission) as the single assassin of jfk). for why we should have been more impatient with them see: http://smile.amazon.com/JFK-9-11-Years-Deep-State/dp/1615776311/ref=sr_1...
"Those aren't troops . They are merely boots operating in an auto-ambulatory mode ."
Let us implement contractions....
"Your move Barry, and yes, when I say check, it is not short for checkers...."
"I'm too busy working on Obamacare, ISIS and immigration right now. Talk to you later. Bubye." -- Obama on behalf of the owners of the USSA.
The EU trusts their new messiah without either checking his school records or acknowledging his endless lying words. Putin does not believe.
Russia has every right to change the world
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Ukraine doesnt, they are lazy assholes with a shitty economy and 2nd rate nuclear reactor technology
the only thing that will matter in the end is who can absorb and survive multiple 80/100 megatoners. that's it . nothing else.
Well for sure we won't be cocky and posting on ZH.
It might take take only two or three EMP nukes to put us back in the stone age.
and how many really understand masonry?
Sorry. Standard yield is 250-350 KT, not MT.
LOTSA history behind missile yield numbers.
With the fascist government in Kiev on record as saying they will retake Crimea, what is the big surprise that Russia would decide to put more military forces there?
NATO is always shocked, shocked that Russia would dare to concentrate troops *within its own borders*. which of course are adjacent to Ukraine. And now that 75% of *all* Crimeans voted *for* Crimea to become part of Russia, Russian borders also include Crimea.
Regardless of whether the fools in NATO and Washington wish to recognize the fact, Crimea is now part of Russia. The fastest way to start World War III is for Ukraine to attempt to retake Crimea by force.
I heard the French and the Germans are saying. "HELL NO, WE WON'T GO!"
So much for our mighty coalition.
Neocon delusions!!!!!!!
Obama is too weak to resist the neocons who've infested State and Defense.
Obama isn't weak. Just clueless, like his mormon competitor. That's why he was chosen to live in the White House. Neo con artists are too sleek for Obama.
Just look at the map. Putin is saying to NATO - "If you want to start anything in Ukraine, we now have the Red Army on your South, as well as on the North and East. We can surround and cut off any troops in Ukraine whenever we want to. Your move, Obama!"
Obama to neocon assitants:
"What a fine fix you've gotten me into. Fuck it. I'm going back to Martha's Vineyard."
His move is Syria, as evidenced by today's congressional vote. This is going to get ugly.
Take the med base in syria? Nah just blow the fuel lines blame it on isis cocksuckers. Cripple navy
The battle you see is not the one in play.
Relax. All this posturing means it's just more reason for the flight/excuse to dump the dollar.
Lviv is POLISH and annexed by Stalin to Ukraine. How can NATO operate in Occupied Polish territory ? Does it mean to prise off Galicia from Ukraine ?
Our biggest threat is nuclear winter. Doesn't matter who pushes the button first.
So, this means gold goes down another $30-$40 dollars, right?
Buy a monster box of silver when spot silver hits $15.00. In the mean time just make sure you are fully prepped with supplies. You know, food, water, T.P, guns and ammo. Shit like that. Don't forget fuel. Propane, gas, whatever it takes to survive.
"T. P." ???
WTF is that?
A tee pee to sleep in?
By "T.P.", I think he is referring to toilet paper. You don't think much about it, until you run out ...
Yes, t.p.= toilet paper. Also having a spare toilet seat put over a bucket lined with a plastic bag is also a good thing to have on hand.
I'm stocking up on coffee and booze as well.
Listen. There will be plenty of "TP" around the globe for all to use.
Green with pictures of dead USSA presidents on it.
"I am cornholio - I need some TP for my bunghole"
It is called hygiene. You should try some.
Bighorn-
A bottle or 3 of Jack, a couple cartons of Marb lights and a huge stack of porno magazines... that is all a guy needs to survive.
If we still have internet, I prefer Pornhub.
Once again.
<--- Here come the down arrows again.
This is not going to end well for Russia.
why?
You may be right -but why?
I believe Russia is clearly in the right and the Zio-USA globalists are flat wrong. That doesn't mean the ZIO team does not hold more cards or have more firepower (military and economic). I am not sure here.
I wish Rusia could prevail so we could have a chance to throw oput the ZIO bankster globalists that have enslaved our country. We only have ourselves to blame for our enslavement -the average American is a sheep - gullible, lazy and immorally looking the other way while great injustices and tragedies are perpetrated upon innocent people -when we destroy and subjugate those who resist -we are next.
Americans have been conditioned by the networks and cinema for years. They are neurally hardwired for subservience to TFJ
Maybe Russia will suffer some damage, But long term, I suspect we're fucking ourselves more than we're fucking Russia.
What exactly are we to gain by fucking with Russia on its own doorstep?
Those terrorists are living atop our oil and gas. Sheesh.
The US and EU are faced with an existential crisis, courtesy of Russia and China. The US/EU must respond.
The only thing keeping the dollar afloat - and the gravy train going - is the petrodollar reserve currency status. The dollar is backing the Euro (and vice-versa, via the mysterious Belgian Treasury purchaser) via Fed / ECB cooperation.
Russia, quite sanely IMO, decided they did not want to be an IMF debt-controlled puppet to be strip mined, fracked, and poisoned. To avoid this, they needed to establish a non-dollar economic sphere of influence. (The Chinese don't want to be puppets either, but they have a different game.)
Russia's bilateral trade agreements, ESPECIALLY the ones in South America (remember the Monroe Doctrine?) plus the fact Russia is an energy exporter is a serious challenge to the dollar hegemony. Which, come to think of it, is also a death-knell for Qatari, Saudi, and a bunch or etc. Mideast dictatorships. You bet your ass they are going to support ISIS.Which also explains a lot of the desire to get rid of Syria and Iran. It's not just the pipeline - it's the dollar.
Another interesting issue is Israel. They are having orgasms over ISIS in the Knesset, I'm (almost) sure. Destabilizing the Mideast means no Mideast country is able to threaten them. They can go Lebensraum all over the place and nobody cares - except, of course, the victims. Further, Israel is dependent on the US for economic and crisis military support. The US is their very pliant and cooperative power source. Without the US protecting them in the UN security Council, for example, they would be in a world of hurt. Without the dollar, the US has no real influence over the Saudis and so on, and that would mean they don't have US diplomatic and/or economic pressure to control them. Do not forget, Saudi forces fought against Israel in the early Arab-Israeli wars.
The EU economic experiment needs the dollar as well. The US is still a major export market, and Fed/ECB coordination is the only thing keeping the illusion alive. They do not seem to care in any real sense about the countries or people involved, and for which they are putatively responsible - this is more about ideology than economics. Economics is the hook to bring about a "rational" European order. The people can die in the millions, the oligarchs will remain safe, warm, and dry. "They have power because they are right, they are right because they have power". This sums up their thinking IMO, as well as the thinking of a lot of others.
Then you get to the Ukraine situation. Putin is playing a difficult game here. If the secessionists let go and just get back to work, it makes Putin (and them) look bad. You have to realize, for Russia, the US and EU are lost as far as the public opinion war is concerned. However, that war is NOT lost as far as Russia, China, the middle east, Africa, and South/Central America are concerned. Russian people are going to suffer. They damn well better have solid reason to believe their government acted in good faith.
China. Always China. The events in the Ukraine and the mid-east are as much about China as anything. The effects of massive corruption are being (largely) masked, IMO, by the equally massive foreign investment over the past umpty years.
Only a few catches.
Russia is both an energy supplier and a market. With Russia, China has alternatives and a backstop to Western collapse. Without Russia, they have the West - and all that implies. Further, something over 10% of their oil comes from Iran.
The West sees control of the flow of energy as vital to their control of China, and control of China is seen as essential for the survival of the West, at the very least in any economic sense. Thus, they must also control Russia.
There is also, I believe, a psychological dynamic operating at the highest leadership levels, which is driving this, BUT..
This has gone way longer than it should have. Later.
EDIT: So What's China's game?
Economic power broker. As the major mostly safe energy market for Russia, they got pull. As almost the sole supplier for many US goods, they got pull that way too. Their hope may be to play both ends. We'll see how that works out.
It is not russias doorstep nor their back yard, they are things of their NEIGHBORS. We don't whine about Cuba we just fuck them tradewise so maybe russia can man up and stfu.
I will try to explain.
First some of my observations from being in Criemia 6-7 times and engaged to a woman in Simferopol.
Simferopol is in the middle of Criemia, It is the home to Russias rented airbase, the place is HUGE, as in very very large.
Sevastopol is the home of Russias rented seaport, it is russias only ice free port, but is very tiny in size.
Criemia is also the southern protection area of russia.
Russia has the Azor sea but is to shallow to bring in very large tankers and cargo ships.
Russia only rents these two bases from Ukraine.
O.K. now throw in that Ukraine has fallin behind in their natural gas payments for gas burned last winter or longer.
Russia wants the money, Ukraine don't have it.
O.K. now, from before the old president (prorussian) had plans to join the E.U. or something of that nature, more likely a better trade agreement was planned with the E.U.
Now russia see this as a slap in the face not going to get the money for the gas anytime soon.
To many hands in the cash drawer to get whats owed them.
Russia pulls the strings of the old president and reneigs on the deal planned with the E.U.
The folks behind the new deal that was supposed to happen ( insert your guesses here as to who they are or were) ain't goin for the dropping out part.
Try to guess how much effort went into makeing up that deal and money by privet people and companies and who as to benifet from it.
Now keep the common folks out of the money part and tell them how much better they will be because of the deal to be part of the E.U. compaired to the russia that has been screwing the common folks for the past two or three generations, and live and work in ukraine ALL there lives.
These people are Ukrainians not Russians, they only speak russian.
They are born into russian speaking families, but are ukrainian with all there soul.
O.K. now, russia has the two bases on Crimia pensulia, they see fighting in the streets in Kiev over the busted deal.
What would any country do if there military bases were under no government law (Think old pres. leaves)
It would step up the guards on there bases.
Now, since there was no government law, russia steps in and annexs all of Crimiea.
Believe me when I say, "There was NO vote" to go back to being part of russia, it was all show.
I know too many locals there to believe it was a real vote.
Ukraine people hate russia for what was done to them in the past.
So to finish, russia will have to give back every inch of ground.
maybe gets to rent the bases again still. I think that would be a bad agreement again.
Would be better for ukraine if russia just ends the rental agreement and goes home.
The russian folks in the eastern parts are not going to be able to outlast and stay in ukraine.
If they want to be russian, then like any other country, they are free to leave, but not take any land to be russian.
In the end, Ukraine keeps all lands before the broken deal that the old president reniged on.
the I.M.F., big oil, and the banks all need to keep there money away from the fighting going on there.
Ukraine wants to be part of a bigger freedom loveing world, and russia is not happy about it.
Yea my spelling and writeing skills are not so great. So fuckin what?
FlyinHigh
u r a full moron, not knowing the difference between prostitution and revolution.
bytw. if u have been there 6-7 times, u would know at least, how to write Azov sea and Krim. So why do u try to deceive...got something from Nudelman? U dare to sniff her a-h maybe?
For all that blurb you still haven't really explained why it's going to work out badly for Russia.
Hey FlyingBlind. I used to live in Odessa and know locals pretty well, was married to one. Had some friends from Crimea and vacationed there. The most people I know are fed up with so-called freedom loving world and just want to be left along, speak whatever language they prefer and live normal life. That west-sponsored and paid for regime has no problem with killing ordinary people that disagree with them, regardless of gender and age. If you would go to the trouble of learning Crimea history, you would not write that nonsense about it going back to Ukraine. Why would anybody believe you about voting fraud in Crimea? Do you have any links to stories exposing this fraud? US is using Ukraine to screw with Russia. Russia has no desire to have another US success story like Libya, Syria or Iraq on it's doorstep.
NATO Dead, King Dollar Wrecked...
Take yer crystal ball back to the shop there, pardner!
one up vote by yourself? yes, it works.
As I said in an earlier read, one wonders what the arms shipments from the NATO gang consist of as I'm sure Russia has pretty damn good intel inside Ukraine telling them what they in fact are bringing in...
Add 1,000 x 5 of U.S. red berets with a greeting ceremony from "Porko-the-cheesepope" and it's simply pouring gasoline on an already heavy forest fire.
Needless to say the game of chiken began in December with NATO's proxy bombing in Volgograd and now the "round up" begins!....
Doesn't look like the American zipperheads in those pictures with the Kiev welcoming committee look too happy to be there?.. Perhaps even as dumb as pig shit as they all are it's beginning to finally sink in they've got a "kick me" sign on their backs and they realize they are it wishing they could turn the clock back a few years wishing they were in Kabul and Baghdad instead of on the border with the bear!
Crimea was a Russian national territory until the Ukrainian Soviet Premier Krushchev in 1952 added it as an administrative unit of the Soviet Republic of Ukraine as a Birthday present to his native land. As if, according to Americans, this meant Crimea was now a Ukrainian national land for all time. It was a Soviet Communist construct. It was amazing that the USSR allowed Crimea to stay as a semi independent part federal unit of Ukraine. Of course this Soviet administrative action gives Americans a cause to champion and to scream and cry about, when the Russian land votes to go back where it came from. What gives Americans the right to claim foul here? The exceptional idea that all peoples and all lands must ask permission of Americans for any action. This idea exists only in America, the rest of earth does not accept America as all powerful dictator. Certainly not the people of Crimea, they voted and they guarded their border before the vote to stop American backed Kiev thugs from entering Crimea to create trouble. Nothing made America and Kiev more angry that to be excluded from Crimea while the people voted.
Exceptional Americans will post here on ZH and cry tears over Putin the new Hitler. But those who post that know they are liars and cry babies. Angry that America did not decide other peoples fates. So what does give you the right to deny an election to the people of Crimea? Your exceptional American power to demand others obey. Or are you angry that NATO and the USA missed out of the prime Naval Base and perfect place for air and missile bases aimed at Russia. You anger and tears betray your real thoughts, thoughts that you got fucked out of a prime base for further attacks on Russia. So stop being babies and liars, tell us the truth, you lost your big gamble to grab Crimea and now are pissing your pants with rage. Come clean.
I'm not angry. My wife is from Moscow. If I need or don't need the lowdown on what's going on over there, I hear about it no matter what. She is dialed into all the Russian sites and also talks to her sister and cousins from Russia and Ukraine.
What's really funny is that she has a close friend that grew up in Ukraine, now she lives very close to us, also a Aunt that still lives in Ukraine and I find it funny how the Ukrainians believe all their propaganda. Nobody likes to lose I guess.
Yes, I know a Ukie woman, married to a friend of the family. She buys all Kiev news as if it was truth. She believes every word and is totally insane with rage over the mass Russian invasion of sacred Ukraine, she refuses to admit, 8 million ethnic Russian live in DOnbass. She also goes wild if you remind her 12 million people with ties to Ukraine live and work inside the Russian Federation.
1. Russia stationed first strike nuclear missile trucks (iksander) north of Poland. Russia is the threat.
2. There wasn't an independence vote for Chechnya. So save the non-sense about russia being a liberator.
Funny that you left out that Russia deported Crimean Tartars - who lived there far longer than any Russians. So there's an example of Russia deciding other peoples' fate - which makes you a hypocrite.
Everything you wrote is non-sense & you just talking to yourself.
1. After the US started implementing their defensive missile system, which is actually an offensive system.
2. Who gives a fuck about voting? NOBODY has a right to form a government anyway.
They can only be self-legitimizing.
Oh I'm sorry - you believe we shouldn't do anything to defend ourselves from Russia's nukes.
Typical ZH "logic".
Lie that missile defence is offensive - because you said so.
Say that certain forms of governance are ok - because you said so.
You are a freaking brainwashed sheeple. Stop swallowing shit dished out by CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, NY Times, Washington Times, WSJ and Washington Post.
The MIC runs US foreign policy and war means profit. That's why the US has been starting wars under false pretenses around the globe non-stop after WWII.
Pravda and TASS are the place to get your newz...
So true Winston
and napper - you're deluded yourself by cheerleading for putin
The ingroup-outgroup morality is strong in the more animal-like: like you.
an ABM system is in effect an offensive threat since in theory it gives a first attacker a huge advantage, the first strike will wipe out a good percentage of nuclear missiles but not all, the ABM will then be able to shoot down the missiles that remain after the first strike. Of course the warmongers think that a few incoming nukes will probably be worth it especially if they are tucked away in safety and its only the sheeple that will get killed. Crazy thinking.
The "justification" is that it is a shield against rogue nations like Nkorea or iran but in this case the ABMs are put on russia's borders instead of nkorea's or iran's borders.
Search ZH NATO happy New Year
Funny that you left out that the US unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty in 2002 which started the post Cold War ugly ball rolling.
Hey, you want to live in a Dream World? Join the rest of your mindless fellow Americans. It's a free country.
Let me guess, you don't believe a coup actually took place in Ukraine?
Check your up/down votes again there buddy. I think you may want to reconsider your opinion on this matter. It seems you are wrong. I know, surprise right...
Ask grade schoolers if there is a santa clause. Voting for does not make it true
Judging from what I read here, informed Americans do NOT want the US to fuck around in Russia's back yard.
But at the top, US foreign policy was long ago taken over by neocons.
Only Q: are the neocons a bunch of geniuses or are they nitwits? (Or are they foreign agents?)
Hard to know WTF is going on. So much lying, so much secrecy.
Neocons are a lower form of human life that can only survive by ruining someone else's life.
They have all the disadvantages of a hunter-gatherer alpha-male and none of the advantages.
Ukraine Soviet Premier Chruscov.......the guy was a ZIONIST JEW, Nikita Solomon Chruscev.
All his kids learn today at US jewish universities. By accident?
Or a distraction while the real dirty work is done in other places.
Its too slow too much bravado too many I make a move you make a moves. The battles happen fast, change comes violently and they other side cant counter cuz its over.
Or a stage play because both sides have shit in place all over the world that neither side can afford but will lose face if they just walk away, so play it up then agree to close down the other messes as part of this settlement.
Cuba crisis in the 60s was not just the Russians backing down America had to move missiles away from USSR.
Maybe I've been around longer than others but this is an old game and I've seen it before.
Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that cost Russia little. It is likely that if If Putin doesn't get Eastern Ukraine next week he will next month or next year at the latest.
In reality America has few military options in Russia's backyard unless it has the backing of a full and enthusiastic NATO and that is very unlikely. Europe has reason to be unexcited about a possible long and expensive conflict. While still trying to recover from a recession Europe would face fuel shortages and a massive spike in the price of natural gas.
If an actual ground attack does occur the Russians will not rollover as other armies have when America approaches. Putin wants a path or land link to Crimea. Putin holds all the cards and time is on his side. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html
I know Putin loves GMOs...hot off the press:
"(Reuters) – The U.S. Department of Agriculture on Wednesday gave final approval to new genetically modified corn and soybeans developed by Dow AgroSciences that, while heavily criticized by environmentalists and some farmers, are portrayed by Dow as an answer to weed resistance problems that limit crop production."
Read more at http://newsdaily.com/2014/09/17/usda-grants-approval-to-dows-enlist-gmo-... So now its not just Roundup that is going to be sprayed, now we get a dose of 2,4D to go with it. I'm sure its been throughly tested and deemed safe.Ten years down the road 24D resistant weeds will be a problem. The GMO approach to food production is extremely short sighted.
you might think it is short sighted but in reality the crops will need more and more weedkiller, same for roundup/glyphosphates.
IMHO monsatan's goal is to be the sole supplier, a monopoly, so quite long term thinking but whether it harms humanity is not important to them.
Putine regime: "Show must.... I mean... Occupation must go on!!!" "Heil Nazi Putin!" "Ruskies are chosen one race!"
Surely you must mean Afghanistan and Iraq, Latke Breath.
The only places the Latvians have occupied for an unreasonable length of time are their outhouses in January and February.
The Latvian race to the outhouse after eating its traditional stuffed cabbage (same as what your head is stuffed with), is Riga's biggest tourist attraction.
Your Nazi grandfather killed this russian child and it's mother?
http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/4824-banderovcy-pochti-kak-lyudi.html
viedoklis, -- you are a smut on this page.
Putin Pumpers club meets Thursday.... the "I have Nukes" T-shirts are in, they are 600 Roubles each or $15 in gold dust.
Down vote to tell me you will be there.
Oh price subject to change as Rouble and gold fall
Of course this will only make oil cheaper.
Swell how they send our boys to train in the center of Nazi-occupied Ukraine (Lviv). Can we for once do something in a geopolitical sense that doesn't make sensible Americans sick to their stomachs? Everything coming out of DC and City of London just stinks of desperation these days, so the machine must be just barely hanging on.
As for Ukraine, the Nazi junta that took over in the wake of Maidan was finished as soon as they were not able to wipe out dissent in the east during the first few weeks of the uprising like in Kharkov and Odessa. The old guys with Soviet training and experience in Afganistan and Chechnya managed to hold on in Luhansk and Donetsk (barely) but now the young guys have been trained up in Russia and are returning in mass and with equipment. It's going to be a fucking bloodbath when a good part of the million refugees in Russia come back armed and pissed off to destroy the Ukrainian conscript army bogged down in the east. People in Luhansk and Donestsk are fighting for homes and families against a conscript army and it's no contest. The Nazi battalions full of thugs and criminals are no better. The Polish mercs fighting for pay in the Ukrainian Army are pretty good though.
So the east and south are gone but that's as far as it goes. The rebels have home field advantage and don't want or need to fight Ukrainians on their turf. West Ukraine next summer will be a festering, bankrupt, demoralized, Nazi-ruled failed state. The Russian subsidies are gone, Crimea is gone, the industry and brains in the east are gone, the coal reserves in the east are gone. The economy is going to crater this winter and west Ukraine will unfortunatley be reduced to a dangerous shit hole that no one in DC, London or Brussels gives a damn about. The stupid sheep in the Maidan who dreamed of cleaning toilets in London let their country be taken over by NWO sociopaths. They have only themselves to blame, and let it be a lesson for us all.
"Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?"
Lviv is up on the Polish border, center of Ukraine, dipshit...
The Exercise is called 'Rapid Trident'.
It has been going on for over a decade.
Russia's closest allies have been participating in it for many years.
For instance, Moldova - a very close Russian ally with a large Russian population - has been participating in it since 2007.
If this is so worrysome and provocative in 2014, why was it viewed as useful, and cooperative in 2013? 2012? 2011? 2010? 2009? 2008? 2007?
Last year - excuse me, not enough emphasis - LAST YEAR the Russian Army's Deputy Commander - General Lieutenant Vladimir Popov expressed interest in RUSSIAN PARTICIPATION in Rapid Trident.
How threatening can it be, when not only did the Russian Army have DETAILED AND COMPLETE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO PARTICIPATE ONE YEAR IN ADVANCE?
No. There is no threat to Russia there. This is simply propaganda.
As if Russia wouldn't do it anyway.
Gonna be a cold winter in Europe.
Or, maybe, a hot one.
Sticks and stoneS may break my bones, but sanctions never hurt me.
NAH NAH NAH