Scottish Independence: Politicians Love Democracy So Much They're Trying To Subvert It

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Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,

The polls in Scotland will close this week on one of the more important elections in recent history… perhaps one of the only elections that actually matters.

Rather than a typical vote to see who the captain of the Titanic will be, Scots are deciding whether they want to be free and independent from the UK.

Every eligible voter has a say, and a simple majority decides the outcome for everyone else.

By definition, this is the PUREST possible form of the democratic process.

What’s ironic here is that ‘democracy’ is typically held up as the hallmark of free society.

Western nations have spent years (and trillion of dollars) force-feeding representative ‘democracy’ down the throats of developing countries at gunpoint.

Opening his second Presidential term in 2005, George W. Bush famously told the world that “it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture. . .”

Given the west’s big love for democracy, you’d think this instance in Scotland– the most fundamental example of the democratic process– would be able to take place free, unfettered, and uninfluenced by government.

Government, in fact, is supposed to be the responsible steward to protect and champion democratic rights. At least, that’s the BS they’re constantly selling us.

But that’s not what’s happening.

British politicians are scared to death that Scotland will file for divorce. So they’re doing everything they can to influence the outcome of this supposedly impartial democratic process.

They’ve spent an incalculable amount of money trying to influence the outcome, effectively subverting a democratic election.

Their claim is that the government knows better than you do. They say they’re doing this for your own good. If Scotland breaks away, your children and grandchildren will suffer immeasurably as a result.

In other words, you NEED US TO TAKE CARE OF YOU. You cannot function without us being in charge of you.

The British government is spreading untold fear, paranoia, and propaganda to drive this point home, all in an effort to influence the outcome of a supposedly free and fair election.

It’s incredibly hypocritical. And the government’s desperation drives home how fragile this system really is.

They know how much weaker and impotent they’ll be if Scotland becomes independent. And they’re terrified of it.

But here’s the thing– this isn’t even the real story. The outcome of the election is irrelevant.

The real issue here is that this election is even happening at all.

Bear in mind that human nature is highly resistant to change. This is the way of the universe.

Sir Isaac Newton told us that an object at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted upon by an external force of sufficient enough to overcome the object’s inertia.

In chemistry, activation energy is defined as the minimum energy needed to be input in order to produce a chemical reaction.

A wooden log in a fireplace doesn’t spontaneously combust. You must first add sufficient energy (heat) to the system before the wood will burn.

Until that activation energy is reached, no reaction will occur.

Humans are the same. Our natural state is to remain at rest. Overcoming our inertia is incredibly difficult. Doing so requires tremendous energy. And motivation.

The fact that millions of people in Scotland are even considering rocking the boat and radically change is very telling.

It shows there is a deep, deep dissatisfaction with the status quo. People are sick and tired of the way things are. The system has completely failed them. And they want change.

This is huge. And it’s a sign of things to come.

The dissatisfaction is growing worldwide. As I reported yesterday, the latest Gallup numbers show that only 23% of Americans are satisfied with the direction of the country.

Change is coming. And not just any change. Deep, radical change– a fundamental reset in the way we do business, the way we organize ourselves as societies, and the way we view money.

There’s tremendous opportunity for people who understand this trend and stay in front of it. And frankly I think this makes it a very exciting time to be alive.

I invite you to spend some time with me this afternoon exploring this incredibly important issue in our latest Podcast episode. (click  image for link)

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q99x2's picture

Goldman Sachs would rather kill them with Ebola than let them have democracy.

ZerOhead's picture


< NO

Who is going to win on Thursday? ...

ZerOhead's picture


< NO

If you were a Scot which way would you vote?...

Haus-Targaryen's picture

This is a really shitty election.  

If "Yes" wins, the SNP is a French style socialist economy on the British aisles - however, it weakens the EU at its weakest points, per that idiot that runs spain right now.

If "no" wins, it hurts the independence campaigns in Flanders, Catalonia and Südtirol -- all of which would deal a death knell to their respective countries.  

I would rather throw Scotland under the bus with Franco-Socialism and destroy the EU that much faster, thus my "Yes" vote -- if I could vote.  

the tower's picture

Scotland might turn out to be more of a Swiss/Icelandish mix. Instead of banks fleeing, plenty might turn up....

Anusocracy's picture

It's all about control and the control will still be there.

DetectiveStern's picture

LOLZ if Scotland starts selling oil in RUB & CNY.

The9thDoctor's picture

A YES vote in Scotland is as likely as Ron Paul winning the GOP nomination in 2012.

It's not the votes that count, but who counts the votes. *cough* Diebold *cough*

Despite the loyal support, the results always turn out different.

BurningFuld's picture

There have been 50 independance votes in recent history. 44 ended in Yes and 6 ended in NO.  Two of the No votes were Quebec. (canada)

Manthong's picture

Politicians Love Democracy So Much They're Trying To Subvert It

Aw, that’s nothing compared to abandoning free market principles to save the free market.

disabledvet's picture

There's probably a lot of truth in this. "And it would be more than just politicians" as well if so...

mvsjcl's picture

The oligarchs will never leave anything important to chance. Everything which can be controlled will be controlled. If it cannot be controlled, it will be outlawed. If voting is allowed today, it is because it is controlled.

surfsup's picture

Based on Natural Law (which is almost wholy disregarded by control feaks) the No campaign has done a smash up job of inclining folks to vote yes!  Nothing fails like success... 

The Doofus's picture

The Scots will end up rejecting their freedom.  They'd rather be tied to Britain.  William Wallace died for nothing.

Full Patata's picture

Just reload in case of timeout. I guess the site is just too busy!



and I would add "OF COURSE"

jaxville's picture

I had to click on the link to check it out. As soon as I saw that blathering idiot there was no need to continue.

StandardDeviant's picture

This article is complete rubbish, even by Simon Black's intermittent standards.

First, this isn't a choice between a huge, overbearing English state and a lean, free-market, libertarian Scottish one run by the heirs of Adam Smith.  It's a choice between one set of big-government politicians and another.

If anything, the current Scottish governing party would turn into something even more socialist, interventionist, and nasty than Westminster is today; just look at some of the ominous comments made by former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars, for instance.

As for the conduct of the campaign itself, it's not as if the Yes side is a bunch of angels.

Finally to say that "they" will be "weaker and [more] impotent"... Well, it depends on which "they" you mean.  It overlooks the fact that Scottish independence ought to be a big boost for the governing Tory (Conservative) party, as the main Labour opposition will immediately lose around 40 safe seats.  The rest of the UK may indeed be weaker as a result, over the long term; but from a partisan point of view it's a winner.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Robert the Bruce (Angus MacFadyen) is voting YES.

Mel Gibson (William Wallace) would too, if he could.

BobRocket's picture

The Uk doesn't use Diebold or punched thingies (with re-allocatable chads), you mark your choice by putting an X in a box with a pencil.


It still doesn't solve the (alleged) Stalin problem ("It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes.")


The only sure way to solve that is with the Blockchain

g0atrider claimed Bitcoin would change the world but he didn't understand that BTC is an app that runs on the Blockchain.

Satoshi created the Blockchain and it is truly revolutionary, a transparent unfalsifiable transaction log that can be used for everything from confirming fair voting to the provenence of the steak (horse) on your plate.

(BTC is just a demo app cuz most people understand monetary transactions)


The revolution has already happened, it will take a little while for the rest of world to catch up.


I predict a slim (very) NO vote simply because currently, close votes are the easiest to rig with least chance of being found out.




Manthong's picture

+1 on the blockchain.

~ on the depressing logic of the easy to manipulate, slim margin vote.

disabledvet's picture

This place is definitely going up in the smarty pants ledger of late.

Ghordius's picture

good remark, but I somewhat disagree

by using traditional paper ballots, you keep the thing as local as possible

now, the counting of the ballots, in Europe, is usually done on the spot, in the locale of the ballots

and that's where local civic direct participation kicks in: the local counting is done in public, by volunteers from the whole political spectrum, who are present during the whole process, and can check on every single part of it

this is the very moment where multi-party setups pay the greatest dividend: by having lots of different views and lots of different groups there, and less possibility of cheating

once counted, the local poll result has just to be added together, a process that can be checked on with a simple Excel spreadsheet

electronic counting, on the other side, will always bear the danger of being tampered with. if it's important enough, and voting counts toward that category, it's important enough to be done by people, in an open and visible manner

StandardDeviant's picture

Exactly.  The Blockchain is an brilliant feat of cryptographic technology, but who is going to explain to Granny in the Orkney Islands how that works, and why it guarantees a fair result?

Whatever you think of the entire referendum and of each of the sides, the way the Scots are running it is just right: local counts, paper ballots which can be recounted if necessary, etc.  Simples.

css1971's picture

Actually that's a good point. I don't like Bitcoin as a peer to peer currency, the block chain means that for hiigh transaction numbers you need significant computing resources, thereby centralising it.

However the chain itself does have some interesting properties...

Personally predict a Yes win by a fairly large margin. I think the poll companies have been targeting No supporters in order to manipulate public support.

Democratic koolaid's picture

First, that every year for the past 32 years – the period covered by the Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) report – has included a deduction from Scotland’s block grant equivalent to our population percentage share of UK debt. Over that period, that amounted to £64.1 billion.



Democratic koolaid's picture

lets hope the real "good guys" take this one.

disabledvet's picture

Scotland wins either way. They've gotten concessions just with the "mere" threat of actual self determination.

SAT 800's picture

Scots are the Jews of the North; in a positive sense. Has everyone forgotten the "canny Scot" ? They'll be surprised how well they can do, in banking and other things once they're not tied to a dying empire living out it's dream world.

Stoploss's picture

Well, if they vote no, then they are going to get fucked beyond belief for starting this in the first place.

So, a yes vote is a win/win, no matter what. There will be fire either way. Why not free fire?



nmewn's picture

"I gave Mornay double his lands in Scotland and matching estates in England. Lochlan turned...
for much less."

BobRocket's picture

Lochlan and Mornay both deservedly die.


This might interest

nmewn's picture

The movie made for great theater but wasn't historically accurate, it was John de Menteith who betrayed Wallace in the employ of Edward I making him a traitor to the Scots...a douchebag (Edward I) of the highest order to be sure but it was the way kings (and emirs) did it back in the day.

As far as the movie, prima-nocte also (for example) didn't happen.

Edward was a vile individual who didn't need embellishment as far as I'm concerned, he was deceptive, crass, with ruthless ambition fully deserving of the mantle king of england ;-)


Manthong's picture


Might not " VOTE YES YOU BLOODY BASTARDS!!!" be moar apropos?

SAT 800's picture

Yes we were sold; by those who were of us; but not us. The traitors within.

nmewn's picture

Very well put Sat, of us but not us. Enemies/traitors within.

The true mark of a man (in my opinion) is one who can see that all the luxuries of the world can be laid before him, his for the taking but refuses to betray his priceless trust for mere wealth. He knows he would be a slave to the one(s) who laid it there.

Trust is a remarkable thing not easily garnered or kept, from that springs any & all loyalties. 

acetinker's picture

If I could vote sat800 a hundred times, I would.  That said, what kinda asshole moron junks an observation that is obviously and unambiguously true?

Is Lindsey Graham active on this board?


May peace be unto you, nmewn!

Harbanger's picture

"Trust is a remarkable thing not easily garnered or kept, from that springs any & all loyalties."

True that Brother, you know the Power in that, because you're a Man, that's why we Trust in God.

acetinker's picture

Harb, I reckon the junks think you're religious.  Maybe you are, I dunno.  I'll be honest, I am not.  I actually hold religion at arm's length whenever I encounter it.

God, on the other hand is to me an entirely different entity than anything taught in any religion that I know of.

In fact, I don't think we can know God.  We can acknowledge that God is real, but we can't know God.  Anyone who claims otherwise is a fool, imho.

Further, anyone who claims to be the manifestation of God on earth deserves immediate death.

In my personal religion, which I created for myself, God is simply energy. The positive and negative aspects of God are not only present, they are necessary.

God doesn't care what you do or think, you are irrelevant.  You are simply a microbe in the petri dish that God made as an experiment.

The same is true for me.

Happy trails!

mt paul's picture

send in the

 Diebold electronic voting machines

orkneylad's picture

I did vote YES!!  No need to shout!!  :D

acetinker's picture

You wanna play chess, but I think we need to play shitgums.  In other words, all of us citizens of the west wouid do well to ignore and avoid the 'guidance' of parties and leaders.  I'd vote yes as well, but for different reasons.

The Scots and the Irish are (or were) a hardy lot, I hope they do the right thing.

max2205's picture

I hope they can get up in the morning despite the hangover to vote.

acetinker's picture

My connection just got twitchy, but yeah, there's that too.  Sry if it comes up a dupe.

css1971's picture

It's not an election. It's a referendum.


The only question on the ballot paper is "Should Scotland be an independent country?"


The first Scottish government elections will come later and they may well vote socialist, or they may vote otherwise, they can change their minds every 5 years. It's not related to the referendum though.

Bangalore Equity Trader's picture

Listen, Crazy Cat. I'm all for "INDEPENDENCE". Fuck those brits, no matter their history with India!

Thanks for the impromptu poll.

ZerOhead's picture

Still a little sensitive about the estimated 60 million Indians that the British Empire allowed to starve are we?

Listen up Raj ... a proper Empire doesn't run on charity so why would you expect the massive Indian exports of grain to stop when the locals were starving?

I must admit that the 1943 famine that killed 1.5 million was a little messed up however. After appropriating your grain Churchill refused the assistance to India offered by Canada, Australia and other nations. Difficult to explain that one...

Bangalore Equity Trader's picture

Listen. The Englishman must be "FED" and fed well. But in the end we learned and now the people have the gold.

acetinker's picture

I love ZerOhead, but touche' Bangalore, touche'!

TahoeBilly2012's picture

Christian Scottish ancient blood is resisting the ever increasing Zionist/Jewish anti Christian Status Quo (along with the pedophile Royal buddies). What a shameful Country the UK is, just like the and managed by pedophile luciferian scum buckets.

I hope Scotland wins and starts doing business with Russia sending the Zios off to live in the own hell.