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Scottish Independence: Politicians Love Democracy So Much They're Trying To Subvert It
Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,
The polls in Scotland will close this week on one of the more important elections in recent history… perhaps one of the only elections that actually matters.
Rather than a typical vote to see who the captain of the Titanic will be, Scots are deciding whether they want to be free and independent from the UK.
Every eligible voter has a say, and a simple majority decides the outcome for everyone else.
By definition, this is the PUREST possible form of the democratic process.
What’s ironic here is that ‘democracy’ is typically held up as the hallmark of free society.
Western nations have spent years (and trillion of dollars) force-feeding representative ‘democracy’ down the throats of developing countries at gunpoint.
Opening his second Presidential term in 2005, George W. Bush famously told the world that “it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture. . .”
Given the west’s big love for democracy, you’d think this instance in Scotland– the most fundamental example of the democratic process– would be able to take place free, unfettered, and uninfluenced by government.
Government, in fact, is supposed to be the responsible steward to protect and champion democratic rights. At least, that’s the BS they’re constantly selling us.
But that’s not what’s happening.
British politicians are scared to death that Scotland will file for divorce. So they’re doing everything they can to influence the outcome of this supposedly impartial democratic process.
They’ve spent an incalculable amount of money trying to influence the outcome, effectively subverting a democratic election.
Their claim is that the government knows better than you do. They say they’re doing this for your own good. If Scotland breaks away, your children and grandchildren will suffer immeasurably as a result.
In other words, you NEED US TO TAKE CARE OF YOU. You cannot function without us being in charge of you.
The British government is spreading untold fear, paranoia, and propaganda to drive this point home, all in an effort to influence the outcome of a supposedly free and fair election.
It’s incredibly hypocritical. And the government’s desperation drives home how fragile this system really is.
They know how much weaker and impotent they’ll be if Scotland becomes independent. And they’re terrified of it.
But here’s the thing– this isn’t even the real story. The outcome of the election is irrelevant.
The real issue here is that this election is even happening at all.
Bear in mind that human nature is highly resistant to change. This is the way of the universe.
Sir Isaac Newton told us that an object at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted upon by an external force of sufficient enough to overcome the object’s inertia.
In chemistry, activation energy is defined as the minimum energy needed to be input in order to produce a chemical reaction.
A wooden log in a fireplace doesn’t spontaneously combust. You must first add sufficient energy (heat) to the system before the wood will burn.
Until that activation energy is reached, no reaction will occur.
Humans are the same. Our natural state is to remain at rest. Overcoming our inertia is incredibly difficult. Doing so requires tremendous energy. And motivation.
The fact that millions of people in Scotland are even considering rocking the boat and radically change is very telling.
It shows there is a deep, deep dissatisfaction with the status quo. People are sick and tired of the way things are. The system has completely failed them. And they want change.
This is huge. And it’s a sign of things to come.
The dissatisfaction is growing worldwide. As I reported yesterday, the latest Gallup numbers show that only 23% of Americans are satisfied with the direction of the country.
Change is coming. And not just any change. Deep, radical change– a fundamental reset in the way we do business, the way we organize ourselves as societies, and the way we view money.
There’s tremendous opportunity for people who understand this trend and stay in front of it. And frankly I think this makes it a very exciting time to be alive.
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So why aren't the English falling over themselves to rid themselves of the 'spongers' as you so inaccurately put it?
Pride. Its an ol' empire thing.
And it comes before a fall.
The pound is just another ever-devaluing fiat currency which retards economic growth in Scotland as well as the rest of the not-so-united kingdom. The Scots would do well to ditch the pound and institute some kind of hard money regime, preferably gold: if that were not possible (say, because the London government were unwilling to hand over a reasonable share of the gold reserves), then they could and should institute a regime of competing currencies: i.e. the Scottish government would simply refrain from granting any currency legal tender status, with Scots then able to choose which foreign currency to use (gravitating naturally toward whichever is hardest). This would inhibit spending by the new Scottish government (can't print money = less spending), to the benefit of the Scottish people, and also serve to discipline the government in London: as the value of a fiat currency is determined by the supply of goods available for purchase in the area in which it has legal tender status, and as that figure would be reduced if Scotland abandoned the pound (or, at least, repealed its legal tender status), the pound would lose value; which would make it harder for the London government to print money (it would be more immediately inflationary than if Scotland were still using the pound). This would have the effect of limiting London's spending (very much as how the end of dollar-pricing for oil would limit US spending), which would benefit the rest of the UK.
Win Win
What is bitcoin worth when the power goes out?
Fuck your Bitcoin - Basque Independence is more interesting.
The irony of this whole process has been a "YES" camapign running full steam ahead on a policy of keeping the GBP. What sort of independence is that exactly??
It's something at least. If any of the 50 states decided to break away, but keep the dollar I'd support it with my entire being. It sets an important example to other breakaway regions, similar to the American revolution to other colonies back in the day.
"What sort of independence is that exactly?? "
It isn't, it's politics.
There is no intention of keeping the £ (Salmond wants the Euro, the populace might choose differently)
There is great sport in watching the Establishment squirm though (and it diverts attention away from the real problems of independence)
Sure Sure... Except Scotland is even more pro-EU than the UK as a whole. Kind of defeats your whole premise.
It doesn't matter, once the seal is broken the piss flies from Catalonia to maybe even Texas. If we're lucky everything will break apart down to the least assembly that people voluntarily join, not coerced into.
Fall in love, have kids and when they pop out they have a trackable birth certificate to become a state tax slave. Then the kid is saddled with a SS number for tracking until the tomb, and if you want out of the state taxing authority (temporarily) you must have a state passport. Alex, I'll have anarchy for 350 million.
I think THAT is the underlying fearful truth from command central's point of view.
I think they see Scotland as a country version of Mohamed Bouazizi the street vendor in Tunisia who started a chain reaction.
If independence is so bad for Scotland then that must mean it's a plus for the UK.
So why is Cameron and friends trying so hard to keep Scotland in the fold?
Oil
Clearly that is the answer, but the question was directed at Cameron and his buddies.
f**k knows - RUK wishes they'd all piss off.
RBS and OIL
RIPS
A farmer does not just give away his cattle.
1. It's difficult to get the masses to snap off those shackles.
2. The brilliant ex economic and financial guru ( timing is everything ) Gorgonzola Brown REEKS of shit and piss stains. The preachers son and his ilk lust after absolute CONTROL body mind and soul.
If we can just get 70% of the wino's sober for that ONE SPECIAL DAY they can make the difference. That's a 15% voting block.
Viva the Republica Escosse
Seeing as the vote is tommorrow my Scottish friennds, and me living not fifteen miles away from the new border.
You lot do, exactly what you have to, for your collective nation. I will say you lot arent daft, and you understand to well whats happening here, which is forced on you with no consent.
Whith 96s blessings, shake this isles of coruption up.
You lot derserve a go with everything thats yours, and fuck the British establishement, they are only in it for themselves.
Whether it turns out right, or wrong my friends, at least you lot had the power to change this system.
I wish you well my Scottish friends, do whats right by you and yours.
An Englishman standing right behind you, wishing you all you can be for the morrow.
96
"...fuck the British establishement, they are only in it for themselves."
Right on 96.
When will us English get a chance to opt out of rule from Westminster??
"When will us English get a chance to opt out of rule from Westminster??"
When will us Americans get a chance to opt out of rule from Repubican/Democrats ??
That's basically our version here in US.
Before 2050ish I wouldn't be surprised to see the US break into 4-6 parts.
Like New England, Dixie, Cascadia, etc.
Scotland, Do It!
But what about the NFL?
Gerry Cinnamon
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From what? "Westminster"? if you're an American then mostly freedom is away from "Washington" but in geography terms "Westminster" is in your own State...go figure...
fuck you sugar tits
you got a dog in this fight
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And frankly I think this makes it a very exciting time to be alive.
May you live in interesting times. Times are interesting, and unfortunately that's a Chinese curse. I'd bet Madame DeFarge understood it.
I think it's supposedly both a curse and a proverb...but last I looked it's origins are first seen in England. Great line either way.
"If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal," - Emma Goldman
"Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty." - Plato
"Freedom and democracy are dreams you never give up." - Aung San Suu Kyi
"In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority." - Edmund Burke
"Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy." - Benito Mussolini
"Anywhere, anytime ordinary people are given the chance to choose, the choice is the same: freedom, not tyranny; democracy, not dictatorship; the rule of law, not the rule of the secret police." - Tony Blair
"Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state." - Noam Chomsky
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken
"Our form of democracy is bribery, on the highest scale." - Gore Vidal
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
-Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda 1928
"I ate a babyeeeeee"--fat Bastard
At the end of the day, these types of referenda revolve around one thing.
Will you be better off in or out???
Only thing that really counts.
Everything else is just noise.
Any competent politico can make
it work either ways.
Listen. You know how that works. They get their independence and next thing Malaysia Airlines Flight 777 gets shot down by the "GAELIC" Rebels over Loch Ness.
Tough three in a row for MH. They can't get no break..
370 Diego Garcia, 17 Ukrainian fighter jets...
777 Nessy?
Nessie could also be a member of ISIS.
Cameron may come out and say ISIS has been spotted near Scottish lochs.
this will be interesting as a dry run for the alledged promised (yea riiiight) referendum the uk will get to be part of the EU superstate with regard to the tricks and double dealing that will be employed by the greedy noncing swindlers that run this godforsaken pirate island.
i have little to say either way as i dont like being governed by parliament, and i fail to get excited because these people do nothing but disappoint consistently.
considering it has been in the pipeline for many years there is little clarity on many issues which makes me deeply suspicious, eg currency - the euro lol just twin yourselves with the ukraine while youre at it, sterling - well that'll work and so on.
i can only echo the words of greater minds..........
'the oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them' widely attributed to karl marx /lenin
and the old school master himself
'those who cast the votes decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything.
attributed to stalin but probably a reworking of some previous quote
and remarkably or not so
'when there is freedom there will be no state'
lenin
If Scotland secedes, the British Labor Party will lose 40 of its 257 seats in the House of Commons overnight. The Liberal-Democrats will lose 11. The Conservative Party will lose only 1, but Cameron should probably fall. Therefore, there should be a general realignment in a rightward direction, but with the big winner being less the Conservative Party than UKIP. Independence will probably mean a more leftist and euro-phile Scotland, and a more rightest and euro-sceptic London.
Sounds good to me..
Yes indeed. I would love to see it destroy the Labour Party and Lib Dems plus help UKIP. Cameron is as bas as Miliband.
As far as the Scots - let them decide. if they want to be socialists then let them deicde what works for them instead of letting the City of London decide.
Vote Yes.
Vote UKIP
Vote to let the local people decide their future not Brussels, London, Washington, etc.
Just imagine how much the us has spent subverting democracy.
All of it just about when you start really thinking about it...
"Iraq, a country of famous tribes both nomadic and settled, and known as such to the world at large, is to-day a (1958 & OIL!?!) country of disintegrating tribalism, in which modern influence have for years (independence/ nationalism) tended to diminish, and little is likely to occur to increase, the hold of the tribe (depending on what the meaning of IS, is?) as an important background of life. Even though for two or three generations to come tribal pride may be felt, and tribal claims[? BS?]-- to land (Oil, Oil, Oil... independent wealth without the sheepskins?/Camel Dung?), to immunity, to precedence (a fool's errand!)-- may be heard, it is likely that the fate of the Scottish clans may befall the lately tribe-conscious Iraqis of the 19th century and earlier centuries?"
to fall upon the herd of englishmen`lashes... as they corral their god-given rights of 'Freedom to Choose'... to a out-of-phase bi`polar`Monarchy of anachronistic folly!
known Sheeple author,... unknown goat`et-hence, at thy moment[?] of weakness
I don't see it happening because Scotland is leftie left left and likes thier bennies. It would be a good thing if the the yes wins. Scotts will break away and form a socialist utopia and suck dik. UK would be humiliated. The UK will become more conservative because most of the Labor vote came from Scotland. UKIP might be able to gain power and give the EU the boot. And a few muzzies. NWO loses all around. Whats not to like?
Scotland should file for divorce based on these items:
1: the queen mother won't put out anymore.
2: she is ugly as hell
3: she can't cook
4: she won't clean
5: snores all night long
6: keeps spending your money on expensive things
7: you are broke because of item 6
8: and her boobs are ugly as hell.
That ought to do it.
Chaka Khan - I Feel For You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObjLb6ElTvs (4:03)
Why is England so concerned , they don't produce anything much anymore except financial services/banking and in that they are totally over leveraged, a third of the population is on the dole so what is the issue - Scotland has more resources including oil , fishing rights and agriculture and tourism so I say go SCOTLAND -VOTE YES . The Scots are much nicer as well , they don't whine about everything all day.
If Scotland has so much to lose why are the english concerned they can always afterwards renegotiate better terms for themselves if Scotland buggers it up - the TRUTH is England has much more to lose than Scotland and let the RBS and other Banks move their HQ'S back to England they are already bankrupt, but they won't they need those Scottish deposits - the Scotts are good savers, I have several scottish friends and they are frugal . so GO SCOTLAND AND VOTE YES.
From the rainbow nation down south
Theyr'e scared Scotland will revive the Kingdom of Alba and reinstate somebody like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Joseph_Wenzel_of_Liechtenstein.
Then join BRICS and together with Russia , jack up gas and oil prices all over Europe .
The Russian Navy would like a deep sea base in the
North Atlantic .
Etc
Fuck all royal parasites, deep and hard.
Democracies suck! In a republic, it doesn't matter who wins what. What yours is yours.
Rigged vote coming up!
I suspect to see news tickers saying the NO vote has it by 51%. Unfortunately.
The amount of fire and brimstone bollocks I've been hearing on the main stream news channels if Scotland votes for independence just comes across as desperation to me.
Since when is championing one side or another un-democratic? The UK government does not want a break-up of the union, so they are campaigning against it. This is as old as democracy itself.
"Championing" is fine- campaigning is fine.
Abraham Lincoln (good ole "honest Abe" if you believe the vitrioloc propaganda crap that is passed off as history in US schools) destroyed democracy in the US when he determined that it was a more justifiable action to kill his countrymen in civil war, than it was to let them leave "the Union"...
BUT, BUT, BUT, Robert... Abe Lincoln freed the slaves... {you rayciss asshole} !
-Ah yes, but indeed, it was Lincoln himself who wrote (by his own pen, in a letter to Horace Greeley):
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to
save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I
would "
History clearly shows that Abraham Lincoln was right to save the union. So, who's to say that the UK isn't right to try to save their union?
I like you, Dr. Brown, though I think that your "history shows ...," should be restated to read, "Dr. Brown says..."
Whose history?
The slavery issue may have resolved itself peacefully, though we'll never know. How many thousands of americans died ... perhaps avoidably? Patience in such a situation may have been a virtue. The end result may have been the same (slaves freed), though delayed a decade or so. And millions of lives may not have been given in this (ultimately needless) civil war.
And, too, allowing the US to divide may have preserved states rights and slowed/avoided our centralized government. I see nothing wrong with a south and a north, or a texas/ok/louisiana, or an alaska separated from the rest of the country. I see nothing wrong with returning back to a federal union of strong states. Or, perhaps, a series of pacts, for defense, between states as countries.
Allowing people to determine the sorts of people with whom they want to associate is fundamental to liberty. That's what the south wanted (outside of the slavery issue). Perhaps they'll finally get it. Who knows the future.
By the way, I'm NY-born, CA-bred and Ivy educated. I have no truck with the south, in case you're wondering.
Whose history? Ours.
I believe the United States has been a fairly successful country and that slavery's days were rightly numbered. By the way, I am NY born and bred, have lived in Virginia for 20 years, am UVa educated (BA and PhD) with my Masters from a local college.
I have no dog in this fight other than my opinion that the US has worked out fairly well. I know some of the self-loathing ZHers lament our current situation, but I don't see a mass exodus to Iran or China. Where else would you rather reside? What would the world have done without a powerful US to combat the likes of Hitler and Stalin? If we had fractured into a myriad of independent countries, how would that have altered history? It is impossible to tell, but I, for one, believe things turned out fairly well considering some of the alternate scenarios.
How did we combat Stalin? We let Hitler do that. We were allied with Stalin.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
Fairly successful. Fairly successful at killing over 600,000 soldiers (and Lord knows how many civilians) at the behest of our first tyrant, who insisted on preserving an abusive sectional marriage at the point of a bayonet, in an unnecessary war to prevent Southern independence. This before the nation was 75 years old. His henchmen were fairly successful at exterminating the native peoples after that war. Fairly successful also at killing a budding laissez faire antebellum economy and imposing an interventionist mercantilism hell bent on socializing "internal improvements" and privatizing elitist profiteering, ultimately paving the way for and enabling a globalist central bankster cabal that is plundering and impoverishing their fellow citizens in a modern economic slavery before the nation is 250 years old. We also seem to be fairly successful at militaristic empire building and picking international fights, an endeavor that would be anathema to the liberty loving statesmen of the founding generation. Fairly successful indeed! Fairly successful at killing.
+100
The death toll for the Civil War was over 1.1 million and I think that was soldiers only. The actions after the war by the north showed their real intent. Lincoln ended up not being useful to his bosses after the war.
Every President who got whacked was for hard currency and against central banking.
The real insanity of America is this idea that we can solve problems or get what we want by bombing people???? WTF? It is the national psyche thanks to TV, film and media. Mass murder is acceptable.
Would we be so in fvor of bombing people if we were being bombed? What a sick mentality.
The only person who ever addressed things like this in Washington was Ron Paul.
The USA worked out fairly well? Are you insane? It has devolved in leaps and bounds starting in 1861 then 1913 then 1963 then 1971 then 2001 then 2008 with various other and more minor police state grabs in between.
Endless phony wars, proxy wars, false flags, endless sellouts of soldiers and sailors, presidents killed because they were against fiat money and central banks. Hitler and Stalin? Created by banksters as were the NYC Bolsheviks.
Freedom and following The Constitution would have been a much better alternate scenario. See much of what Ron Paul espouses.
Go back to UVa and axe for your money back or was it a PhD from Virginia College.
http://www.vc.edu/
"I know some of the self-loathing ZHers lament our current situation, but I don't see a mass exodus to Iran or China. Where else would you rather reside? "
Ah yes, the ever popular "Either love the USA, or get the fuck out" argument. RA-RA-RA... Go Team.
Sure, the US "has turned out well" but is there not anything better to aspire to?
"What would the world have done without a powerful US to combat the likes of Hitler and Stalin?"
Who the hell knows? my GUESS (which is as good as yours, since your education and degrees are as meaningless to me as mine are to you) would be that humanity would have made some very tough choices.
Living beneath the veil of personal liberty is the most basic and rational desire of EVERY human being- We own our personal choices, and we want to live in defense of them. That is a basic tenent of our psychology.
When we are oppressed, we eventually rise against the oppressors, and they most often end up dead - (The Mussonlini principle) - so I rationally assume it would it have been similar for Stalin (or Hitler) had they actually acheived their psychotic goal of world-domination.
HOWEVER: The one-way, linear nature of history obviates the fact that any time spent in thoughtful contemplation of such "never happened, therfore a guaranteed impossibility" scenarios is time wasted.
I applaud you (and your Ivy tower PhD status) for reaching a station in life that allows you the time to pontificate on such theoretical absurdities...
The world you need to undertand is the one you LIVE IN, because you will never get where you want to be, if you have no clue just where the fuck you currently ARE.
Whose history? The history of J.P. Morgan?
We should have kept going at the first battle of Manassas right through Washington D.C. and torn down the Masonic Temple Headquarters, burned the Capitol, WH to the ground and hung that devil Abe!
Surely, had the South imagined Amerika today, we would have picked our own damn cotton, but you can't deny the slave ships were owned and managed by those of the Temple in Newport, Rhode Island! The same Temple a mere 70 years before had sucked up to General Washington begging for the freedom to ruin this country from within.
http://www.tourosynagogue.org/index.php/history-learning/tsf-intro-menu/...
In my mind they have exceeded their wildest expectations in not only ruining and bankruppting this nation, but having set the whole world on fire, for their profits, many times over.
I don't see any news about the police, in the south, shooting unarmed civilians trying to surrender!
How many blacks have been executed, without due process, in Manhatten by the Judge, Jury and executioner called the NYPD? I saw the Times Square NYPD shooting 2 bystanders because one black guy waving a knife himself....they wouldn't even give him the dignity of killing himself, they had to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcJExfgtqoE
We never lost the war....we are just regrouping!
If Scotland would be worse off when they break off, wouldn't that mean the UK would be better off and if that is true why is the UK trying to save the Scotts???
It is the same as when the liberals in the US say that all of the conservative states take more from the government than they put in but yet the liberals want to stop the conservative states from leaving the union. If it is true, the liberals would be far better off without the conservatives both financially and there would be few conservatives.
What have we learned? Someone's lying.
If the Scots break with the UK the Queen, and the rest of the royals, have to start paying property taxes to the Scots!
Imagine having to pay taxes on Balmoral Castle and all those nifty estates of the endless list of Lords, Dukes and Barons!
It will take a whole new Department of Stick it to HRH. That could employ half the country just to assess the estates and properties of the Royals who never paid taxes before. They should make it retroactive to 1329 from the end of the reign of Robert the Bruce!
My ancestors were Crawfords from Kilburnie! Do we get our title back now? Just call me Lord Crawford and send me to be ambassador to the English court!
Oh my! I want to see the Chancellor of the Exchequer presenting that check to the Scottish MP of Finance.
How awful for them! cough up the cash, in gold, ERII!
You are right, black folks are treated much better in Mississippi than NY.
/sarc off
"You are right, black folks are treated much better in Mississippi than NY."
- Strawman argument...
a shameful ploy from someone who so proudly promoted his(her) utterly irrelevant Ph.D when they entered the discussion...
SMH
I only mentioned my education level in response to a previous poster who did the same. I thought it was irelavent in his post and was pointing that out by doing the same. Sorry you missed it.
The UK is right to try to save the Union, the Scots are right to break it.
"I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want everyone to remember *why* they need us!"
- Adam Sutler, British Chancellor from V for Vendetta
Hitler was democratically elected. No one should ever forget that; especially as they stand ready to witness the depths of treachery and coercion that the British government is about to decend to.
Democracy does not prevent despondency nor treachery.
I trust the wisdom of crowds over the perfidy of our bought-and-paid-for "representatives."
Myth: Democracy elected Hitler to power.
Fact: Hitler used backroom deals, not votes, to come to power.
Hitler never had more than 37 percent of the popular vote in the honest elections that occurred before he became Chancellor. And the opposition among the 63 percent against him was generally quite strong. Hitler therefore would have never seen the light of day had the German Republic been truly democratic.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm
"Fact: Hitler used backroom deals, not votes, to come to power."
- FACT: So has has EVERY douchebag politician in the good ole US of A, going back to Lyndon Johnson... With the notable exception of one honest Medical Doctor from Texas.
So, what's your point, exactly?
I saw Gordoom "Jonah" Brown blathering about the perils of voting Yes. He warned Scots that voting Yes would push Scotland down an economic hole from which it might never get out. Translation: vote No and keep taking England's welfare.
If Brown went down that hole it would be the best reason ever for voting Yes.
Gordon Brown, the genius that sold most of our gold when it was $250 an ounce. Complete fcukwit.
He's far worse than that ;-) lol.
You know that was an inside deal for Broon when he gave the gold away. Who "bought" it? Goldman?
Just like the one who sold the postal service recently. Osbourne? Evil scum .
Vote Yes.
Vote UKIP
Royal Mail sold at a give-away price by Vince Cable, Business Secretary. Brown selling the gold explained here:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/thomaspascoe/100018367/revealed-why...
well isn't that the "essence" of American democracy ?
Making money talk ! Its been the tradition since donkey's years !
Big money runs big politics.
Now Europe has to RE-LEARN that lesson (not that they need to be reminded that they invented it!)
In 1519 the Fuggers, swiss bankers, swung the elective college that named Charles V Holy Roman Emperor, through bribes.
It started the Universal Empire of Catholic Spain, the Inquistion... and 200 years of war that ended with treaty of Utrecht in 1713.
In the meantime it brought down the catholic church, made Holland totally puritan in its struggle with Habsburgs--and sent the Quakers to Boston's tea party ! -- and France King of Europe.
Until the guillotine had its say and ended the Bourbon partying!
Those dirty Fuggers! How could they nots see those guys coming?
If the Scots chicken out, I will be drinking Japanese whiskey instead.
I fear they are as pussywhipped as the scandinavians and debt slaves globally. Gd go for it, set an example, and more will follow. Blow up this EU monstrosity!
Does anyone remember when the Dieibold CEO announced he was happy to "deliver" the election to Dubyah?
If Diebold's stinking carcass is anywhere near this vote, you can count on them "delivering" the desired the results.
I was worried about that, too. Do Scots get paper ballots, electronic ones, or both?
Paper ballots, hand counted. No hanging chads here thank you.
YEs, but hand-counted by whom?
Everything you need to know about how voting works in Scotland ...
http://www.electionsscotland.info/
It has always worried me that they make you mark your X with a pencil, what's wrong with indelible ink ?
He did it in June I think at an Ohio Rep. Fund raising event. Saying that they would 'Deliver' Ohio to Bush...
"Give me Liberty, or give me Death!"
I'm waiting for a Scot to repeat those immortal words .
Freedom of choice
Illusion and subversion of the masses for millennia
There is a whole lot of Theater behind the claims of those touting "Freedom". Not many that are accompanied by the coronary to Freedom: With freedom, comes an equal amount of responsibility.
Too often Freedom is treated as a license to do whatever you want, whenever to whomever.
And that's not freedom but anarchy.
One dollar, one vote. Isn't that the capitalist way (in theory)? After all, the SCOTUS said money is free speech--that isn't "free."
That the Government is telling the Scots they are incapable of running their own affairs is just rubbish! Of course they can! I've never heard any politician from any UK party suggest otherwise. What the NO campaigners are saying is simply that through the economies of scale it is more efficient to run together. For example, post independence, Scotland will need to make arrangements for and fund 190 diplomatic missions or embassies around the world. And make space in Edinburgh for those countries' own embassies. That is a huge unnecessary expense. It's no different with large corporations who merge in order to reduce expenditure and promote the interests of both companies. Let's not forget also that Scotland receives a larger share of the UK budget per capita than does England. This so-called Barnett Formula has been around for 40 years. Further, if they are so convinced of Scotland's viability why won't they consider introducing their own currency? at least until such time they can join the Euro. By insisting they will continue to use the pound tells me they are not as confident of their future status in the world as they would like us to believe. Given that the Bank of England is never going to allow a "foreign" country to influence monetary policy, Scotland could never be truly independent while using the pound and lacking any control over interest rates and money supply.
Repudiate the debt, Become the Iceland version of Switzerland.
How does Iceland suport 190 missions around the world etc. How could Iceland come up with their own currency even AFTER their "Bankruptcy"?
Vote Yes Scotland.
They need not repudiate the debt, they can re-negotiate it, easily, if independent,'
IF I owe the bank 10,000 , they hae a problem. IF I owe the bank $10,000,000 THEY hae a problem.
https://medium.com/sky-news/the-barnett-formula-myths-and-reality-4f99d7...
Let them take 1/3 of the space in England's many luxurious embassys.
They paid for it.
Embassy's are spy stations anyway. Bunch of old school bullshit.
Rent a p/o box in every country and leave a phone number for contact.
Have you seen what the Scottish Pound looks like? and who is resposnible for that?? It does NOT Say Bank of England but Clydesdale Bank.
MAYBE YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION.
Scottish banks are indeed allowed to print their own banknotes as are also Northern Ireland banks. But it is not a separate currency. They are printed based on bank borrowing from the Bank of England in the same way as English banks and serve only to demonstrate where they were issued. The banknotes are ultimately redeemable by the Bank of England. This is why you will never get a quote of Scottish or Northern Ireland currency to another currency at any bank or bureax de change. Similarly, any English banknote can just as easily be used in Scotland or Northern Ireland and vice versa.
Have you ever tried spending a Scottish banknote in England? Most people I know go to their local bank and change their Scottish notes for English ones before they take a trip down south. That makes us feel really integrated in the "United" Kingdom.
Scots, wha hae wi' Wallace bled,
Scots, wham Bruce has aften led,
Welcome to your gory bed,
Or to victory!
Now's the day, and now's the hour;
See the front o' battle lour,
See approach proud Edward's power—
Chains and slavery!
Wha will be a traitor-knave?
Wha can fill a coward's grave?
Wha sae base as be a slave?
Let him turn and flee!
Wha for Scotland's king and law
Freedom's sword will strongly draw,
Freeman stand or freeman fa',
Let him follow me!
By oppression's woes and pains,
By your sons in servile chains,
We will drain our dearest veins,
But they shall be free!
Lay the proud usurpers low!
Tyrants fall in ev'ry foe!
Liberty's in ev'ry blow!
Let us do or die!
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"I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject."
-some anti-Semite
Vote Yes Scotland.
I'll send two ounces of shiny if you do.
One to purchase a block to rebuild Hadrian's Wall.
One for a passport.
"Vote Yes Scotland.
I'll send two ounces of shiny if you do.
One to purchase a block to rebuild Hadrian's Wall.
One for a passport."
Nice one IndyPat, I'm right behind you...
They’ve spent an incalculable amount of money trying to influence the outcome, effectively subverting a democratic election.
Im sorrry, Isnt this the model of every election ever?
"Sir Isaac Newton told us that an object at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted upon by an external force of sufficient enough to overcome the object’s inertia."
Simon Black changes Newton's First Law of Motion. Details at 11.
All those that believe Simon should get the Nobel Prize for Physics, please send his name to the Nobel Committee.
TPTB will never let it happen, even if they vote yes.
Too many people watching...
Not much they can do. What are they gonna do? Roll tanks?
There will be no capital flight, nor run on banks if they vote YES. The get 95% of the oil and %65 of the gas from north sea revenues. Plus Sean Connery is voting YES which pretty much pushes it over the top for a separate Scotland now. Maybe an oil based currency changing to a gold back currency with no debt or banksters. That's my prediction and I am going to stick with it.
Without oil and gas being brought directly into the UK, Engand would have to explicitly import it. That would double the current account deficit and cause the pound to drop in value dramatically. Substantially weakening the currency. If Scotland continues to use the Pound that isn't the case.
So. Scotland is basically subsidising England's current account deficit and has been for decades.
Blowout =Yes. No surprise.
If Lincoln would have let the south go........No monlithic superpower to hate, to spend on wars, to prop up Europe. They would have to stand on thier on two feet. Sure would be a different world and not all bad. Hey ZH fans....NO FED
Besides you and I, no one seems to question that murderous tyrant, Lincoln.
No voters are voting for the staus quo becuase none of their questions about the future have been answered
the yes voters don't cae about anything even remotely associated with reality, ignore anything and everything. FREEDOM is all that matters even though they will actually have less after the vote. and the zerohedge yes supporers are just as shotsighted, narrow minded and stupid. Answer the questions and maybe sway sme no voters or at least get a small grasp about what the future will bring before you jumo off a cliff before looking.
casue there is an ld saying, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it, good and hard
How incredibly patronising of you to say so. It must be great to live in your world where the future is set out so clearly for you by the politicians that you vote for. What planet is that, I'd love to visit?
Since you lost money, your timing must be just awful or you did nothing to protect yourself, or you have continued be short in the greatest legal fraud to ramp your assets in our history.
In any case, your opinions on anything are as flawed as your other actions.
Many more entities need to disassociate and yes, it will be painful for a while, but as long as I have lived on this earth I have seen no other way to make any headway that did not involve some temporary, some times longer than I would have liked pain, and agony. That's simply a price to pay.
New associations need to be explored, examined, and attempted because clerarly the only ones who have gained are an elite that have managed to work associations only on their favor, and they will be eternal without a complete re-set.
The vote shall consist of the free shit army vs. I would rather work for a living if you would let me just do so group. It is really not my business though.
If I was in England, I'd be scared shitless of losing Scotland. Scottish chicks have the best tits in the world.
Are you sure?? Can you document this with visual proof?
Just a half dozen or so.
If true, is this balanced by great legs, and glut max??
I'm waiting with bait on my breath...to schedule a golf or salmon fishing trip to highlands, or single malt tour.
Hurry. Aye?
If they become independent I wonder id theyll let me become a citizen.
Democracy has been disabled by Jerrymandering only producing noise. Just watch the battered child and second-class citizens buy a ticket on any bus heading out. Yes by a mile.
Considering the Scottish House of Lords was bribed to vote for the Union nothing should surprise. Rule by Fear is the basis of gangsterism which is the basis of all political parties
A quote from the ghost of William Wallace on election eve (from the head anyway) -
Vote 'Aye'... and you may lose some benefits. Vote 'No' and you'll live normal lives... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell the bankers that they may take our money, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!
Don't be silly. The banksters want you to be free.
Free of the ability to continue consuming the precious resources of the planet.
Anyone that is not emotionally involved in this debate and can think critically sees this for the sham this "independence" really is.
Unless I misssed something, monetary policy will come from either London or Berlin (have you forgotten Rothchild's quote?).
Political domination from Brussels or London. Pick one. EU or not to EU.
Europe may have more states and borders these days, but power is more concentrated than ever.
I want to see REAL independence. For EVERYONE.
Not this fake shit. Your freedom will be to do whatever Berlin or London says you can do (depending on the currency you pick). Don't believe me? Ask the fucking Italians, Spanish, Greeks or Irish how much freedom they have to do whatever they want now that they have joined the EU.
This isn't fucking Braveheart part deux (although it is a comedic farce)
Unless they run their own government and (vastly more importantly) their own currency, they are just trading one set of wankers and nonces for another.
If they vote No, they will never even get a choice at an alternative in the future.
Well I cast my Yes vote this morning in the faint hope that we get independence and then tell London AND Berlin/Brussels to go fuck themselves. If I'd voted no it would have been a dead cert that we'd be stuck with the nonces and wanker in London. Yeah I know, slim shady chance, but let a man dream for a while.
$5 billion for Ukraine, how much money spent for Scotland to continue as part of the UK?
Anyone have any numbers?
What next for Simon? Insight into Chinese affairs?
So, only one side is subverting 'democracy'? What a joke. Read this: http://www.scottishreview.net/CarolCraig172.shtml
fuck it.
winds out of the southeast.... I'm going to San Luis Pass and pull some specks out of the surf!
I'd love to see the Scots storm Balmoral after their victory. Maybe even torch it.
The Union of Crowns is not under vote, only the union of parliaments. Her Majesty will continue to be the monarch of both independent Scotland and the rest of UK.
R U for diversity?? it's good so I am told...ergo more diverse small countries is good, No? Yet those who beat the drum of diversity like strong large central .gov's to impose diversity on everyone, somehow I cannot connect the two..vote yes,. and protect your identity your heritage..or become the new world citizen bland and uniform in actions and force fed society free of diversity..the world watches you today.
scots you could do something truely historic not seen in many life times, grab history be history.
Before we get too dewy-eyed about the obnoxiou, spoilt, chip-on-their-shoulders fried-marsbar eaters north of the border, look at this which notes that 50pc of No voters claim to have been intimidated by Yes campaigners.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-inde...
A Scottish lady I spoke said that she put up a No sticker in her window and a brick was thrown through it the same day which is quite common.
All of which means that many of those saying Yes to pollsters are lying for fear of intimidation by savages. Buy Cable.
Why should slavery be up for a vote?
There was a rally in George Square in Glasgow last evening. Both Yes and No. There were maybe 20 No supporters there and several thousand Yes supporters. I imagine the No bunch felt intimidated there too, though it was all very good natured.
As inconceivable as it might seem, this may have less to do with money and more to do with preserving Scotland as a nation with its distinct culture and way of life. Such thoughts are anathema to the globalists, but consider that the only way left for a people to control its borders is secession. When peoples begin to realize this, expect to see a lot of these movements. This is the only way a people can have a voice in a world that is hellbent on destroying national identity.
The globalists would prefer that the Scots be like the passive and compliant Irish, firmly clasping their ankles as they accede to the policies of the EU.
But the Scots, in their hearts, may be rallying to the cry,
NO IMMIGRATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
Vote Yes, remember..we Scottish reside globally. Don't fear the broke twats in UK.
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Don't bow down to these political fucks.
The issue I have with the yes people is that they don't seem to have thought through the bank and currency challenge.
I'd go for an independent currency and public bank. Devalue against the Pound and Euro. Go for a new simplified tax regime. Designate some areas of Scotland as development zones, etc.
For fuck sake, vote YES!
Above link lyrics..
Retrace all my steps, which helps when I start to forget.
You said that to me, like the stories the thoughts never see.
I pray my whole day, to see what disasters we live that could call out her name and then wait,
let's see what comes crawling back, and I recover....
Fuck off Downing Street! No oil for you, buy from ISIS. Just like your European Union sanctions counterpart does.
As much as I want one I can't see a global reset coming from the people in my lifetime. If the reset does come it will be the elites who manufactured it to consolidate power into their own hands. We're totally screwed. And to Scotland, what a real shame that the yes campaigners are wanting to join the EU if they win! WTF, they'll just become Europe's bitch instead of England's.
f they vote No....then they will never get another chance.....and they will be severly punished thereafter to teach them a lesson.
Having come so far there is no turning back.
They better vote Yes today....or get revenged fucked up the arse by London forever more.
The elites never love democracy. They believe themselves to be above it.
That is why you have at most two or three candidates, who all essentially are for the same policies.
It is because the real election happens before the election.
The inevitable result is that you really only have one candidate, with two or three faces and names, with every other detail of their identity completely identical.
on the continent of Europe, we have most of the times dozens of parties and hundreds of candidates to choose from, with wildly different manifestos. multi-party voting systems with several winners, assigned proportionally to their seats. though no candidate can claim to be "the" winner, and so claim "the" mandate from the people.
though the "real action" is then after the election, instead of "before the election", because they usually have to form coalitions, and there you find the "political horse trading". just saying
FREEEEEDOOOOOM!
Scotland is overwhelmingly socialist entitlement parasites. If I were the English, I would demand that Scotland leave the UK and I would keep the oil/gas fields - tell the pacifist Scots that if they want the oil/gas to build a fighting navy and come take it back.
Kind of odd, then, that the English are campaigning so heavily to keep Scotland in the Union?
If the Yes vote wins, the oil/gas stuff will be settled according to what falls in whose territorial waters. The English don't just get to keep it. A lot of the oil is in Scottish waters.