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Scotland Says "No" - The Results So Far: NO 54.3% - 45.7% YES (26/32 In: NO 21 - 5 YES)
Breaking News: Scotland Votes No. More on the live blog: http://t.co/GlTbXbfE53 #indyreflive #indyref pic.twitter.com/SnxJRyVQyL
— The Daily Record (@Daily_Record) September 19, 2014
- *SCOTLAND VOTES AGAINST INDEPENDENCE IN REFERENDUM, BBC PROJECTS
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: BBC PROJECTS NO 55%, YES 45% IN REFERENDUM
The reaction in Cable...
The initial results are in:
NO's...
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: CLACKMANNANSHIRE 16,350 YES, 19,036 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: CLACKMANNANSHIRE YES 46.2%, NO 53.8%
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: ORKNEY 4,883 YES, 10,004 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: ORKNEY 32.8% YES, 67.2% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: SHETLAND 5,669 YES, 9,951 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: SHETLAND 36% YES, 64% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: EILEAN SIAR 9,195 YES, 10,544 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: EILEAN SIAR 47% YES, 53% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: INVERCLYDE 27,243 YES, 27,329 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: INVERCLYDE 49.9% YES, 50.1% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: RENFREWSHIRE 55,466 YES, 62,067 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: RENFREWSHIRE 47.2% YES, 52.8% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: MIDLOTHIAN 26,370 YES, 33,972 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: MIDLOTHIAN 44% YES, 56% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: E. LOTHIAN 27,467 YES, 44,283 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: E. LOTHIAN 38.3% YES, 61.7% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: STIRLING 25,010 YES, 37,153 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: STIRLING 40.2% YES, 59.8% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: FALKIRK 50,489 YES, 58,030 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: FALKIRK 46.5% YES, 53.5% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: ANGUS VOTES 35,044 YES, 45,192 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: ANGUS 43.7% YES, 56.3% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES:DUMFRIES & GALLOWAY 36,614 YES, 70,039 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES:DUMFRIES & GALLOWAY 34% YES, 66% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES:ABERDEEN 59,390 YES, 84,220 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES:ABERDEEN 41% YES, 59% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: E. RENFREWSHIRE 24,287 YES, 41,690 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: E. RENFREWSHIRE 37% YES, 63% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: E. DUNBARTONSHIRE 30,624 YES; 48,214 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: E. DUNBARTONSHIRE 39% YES, 61% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: S. LANARKSHIRE VOTES 100,990 YES, 121,800 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: S. LANARKSHIRE VOTES 45% YES, 55% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: PERTH & KINROSS VOTES 41,475 YES, 62,714 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: PERTH & KINROSS VOTES 40% YES, 60% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: W. LOTHIAN 53,342 YES, 65,682 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: W. LOTHIAN 45% YES, 55% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: SCOTTISH BORDERS VOTES 27,906 YES, 55,553 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: SCOTTISH BORDERS VOTES 33% YES, 67% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: N. AYRSHIRE 47,072 YES, 49,016 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: N. AYRSHIRE 49% YES, 51% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: S. AYRSHIRE 34,402 YES, 47,247 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: S. AYRSHIRE 42% YES, 58% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: E. AYRSHIRE 39,762 YES, 44,442 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: E. AYRSHIRE 47% YES, 53% NO
YES's...
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: DUNDEE 53,620 YES, 39, 880 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: DUNDEE 57% YES, 43% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: W. DUNBARTONSHIRE 33,720 YES, 28, 776 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: W. DUNBARTONSHIRE 54% YES, 46% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: N. LANARKSHIRE 115,783 YES, 110,922 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: N. LANARKSHIRE 51% YES, 49% NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: GLASGOW 194,779 YES, 169,347 NO
- *SCOTLAND VOTES: GLASGOW 53% YES, 47% NO
A picture paints a thousand words...
Alex Salmond has been conspicuous by his absence tonight, but has now been spotted at Aberdeen Airport. #indyreflive pic.twitter.com/Bz5q5eNiIB
— The Daily Record (@Daily_Record) September 19, 2014
Some of the most recent updates:
Better Together campaign director Blair McDougall says there has been an "extraordinary" #indyref turnout with nearly 100% in some places
— Sky News Newsdesk (@SkyNewsBreak) September 18, 2014
First news coming in of the modern Battle of Falkirk - YES need it BUT NO campaign say they going to win
— Nick Robinson (@bbcnickrobinson) September 18, 2014
Yes sources say data suggest Glasgow could be 54% yes, 46% no. Mood quite flat in the Yes camp though. #indyref #Scotland
— James Cook (@BBCJamesCook) September 18, 2014
Better Together sources sounding confident, saying they're certain they've got their vote out in droves. #indyref #Scotland
— James Cook (@BBCJamesCook) September 18, 2014
A snapshot of what's going on in Pacific Quay tonight. All the #indyref developments here >>> http://t.co/W7hfyV0m9y pic.twitter.com/sInyPF8UDR
— BBC Scotland (@BBCScotland) September 18, 2014
I'm told some of the polling stations in East Renfrewshire area had 98% turnout! Verification process finished turnout figures for here soon
— Jane Lewis (@BBCJaneLewis) September 18, 2014
#indyref night so far:
• Glasgow fraud probe
• Turnouts topping 80%
• Declarations still dueLive here http://t.co/eTLjieobrP
— BBC Scotland News (@BBCScotlandNews) September 18, 2014
BBC's Nick Witchell reports that the Queen is expected to issue a written statement late afternoon on Friday about the result. #indyref
— Kevin Keane (@kkabdn) September 18, 2014
Below is a bullet summary of the most recent developments courtesy of the AFP live blog:
23:58 GMT - Fraud allegations - News breaking that police are investigating allegations of electoral fraud in Glasgow. Officials at the referendum count in Glasgow say they are investigating 10 cases of suspected electoral fraud at polling stations.
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Media reports say it relates to incidents where people turned up to vote and were told they had already voted.
23:47 GMT - Turnout figures - First turnout figures for a couple of areas have just been announced at the count centre in Edinburgh.
In Orkney the turnout was 83.7 percent, in Clackmannanshire 88.6 percent, fitting the trend of what is expected to be extraordinarily high participation.
23:42 GMT - Tribal chief - AFP's Katherine Haddon, at the Edinburgh count centre, says journalists there face a long wait as officials concentrate on the business of counting the huge numbers of ballot papers. But they are not without diversions:
"In the Edinburgh count hall, Benny Wenda, a campaigner for West Papua to be independent from Indonesia, is drawing plenty of attention from journalists, wearing a tribal chief's headdress featuring the head of a bird of paradise," she tells us.
He is in Scotland with the Radical Independence Campaign but normally lives in Oxford and is one of many separatists from other nations who hope the Scottish vote will mobilise support for their own independence battles.
"I'm campaigning for an independence referendum for my people," says Wenda.
23:30 GMT - Roundup - In case you are just joining us, counting is now under way at each of Scotland's 32 polling stations, with the first results expected from around 2am local time. The final vote will not be announced until after 6am, but a running total may well make it possible to call the result before then.
Officials have reported an unprecedented turnout -- up to 90 percent in some areas, with postal votes also high -- and many people have hailed it a victory for democracy, whatever the outcome.
A YouGov poll released after the close of polling predicted a victory for the "No" campaign of 54 percent to 46 for "Yes". But this hasn't stopped large crowds of pro-independence supporters gathering expectantly in Glasgow's George Square and outside the Scottish parliament in Edinburgh.
22:55 GMT - Bookies expect 'No' - Since the close of voting, betting markets have shifted considerably towards a 'No' vote. Bookmakers Ladbrokes said the latest odds were 1/7 'No' 9/2 'Yes'.
22:44 GMT - George Square - In Glasgow, the central George Square is awash with blue and white flags, as thousands of independence supporters await the results.
Globe and Mail correspondent Mark MacKinnon tweets: "On Glasgow's George Square. Crowd waiting for the official count, and hoping the #indyref polls are wrong..."
Other twitter users have posted videos and pictures of flares being lit and flags burned.
22:24 GMT - Looking ahead - Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael has invited the SNP to join discussions on more powers for the Scottish Parliament if there is a "No" vote.
He tells STV: "If we have got a no vote as I hope… that's something I would want people from the SNP to be involved in."
Alluding to what at times has been a fiercely fought campaign, he adds: "We have got to heal the wounds that we have inflicted on ourselves."
22:19 GMT - Queen 'watching' - Royal officials tell Britain's Sky News that Queen Elizabeth is watching the referendum results "very closely". Publicly, she has stayed out of the debate, saying it was "a matter for the people of Scotland".
22:13 GMT - Ballot boxes arrive - AFP's Katherine Haddon, in Edinburgh, tells us: "First ballot boxes from polling stations are starting to arrive at the Edinburgh count. In the hall, "Yes" and "No" supporters, some in t-shirts advertising their allegiance, a couple in kilts, cluster in groups chatting to each other, looking anxious. It's going to be a long night."
22:02 GMT - At the Aberdeen count centre representatives from both the "Yes" and "No" campaigns watch on, trying to get a sample feel of the number of votes cast at this stage.
This is one of the biggest counts in the country and First Minister Alex Salmond's vote will be among those counted when the ballot box from his rural home village of Strichen arrives.
21:59 GMT - Aberdeen count - AFP's Robin Millard is at the Aberdeen Exhibition and Conference Centre, where the count for rural Aberdeenshire is taking place. The votes from Aberdeen city are being counted in a separate venue in Scotland's oil capital.
"At the stroke of 10pm, when the polls closed, counting officials immediately went into action," he tells us.
"Boxes of postal votes were tipped out onto the tables and officials in white t-shirts, with blue plastic thimbles for extra purchase on each ballot, began counting the number of votes in piles of 100 to make sure they matched the given tally.
"Plastic boxes filled with sweets are on hand to keep the counters going. With the first piles complete, they drummed their fingers on the tables in anticipation of many, many more."
21:53 GMT - Chairman of the Yes Scotland campaign Dennis Canavan tells Scottish television station STV: "Some people may be super-optimistic… I'm a bit more of a realist, I still think it's neck and neck."
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Finally, for those who enjoy observing events on the ground, here is a live webcast from the ground in Scotland:
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Diebold will be counting the votes, and then counting the money for delivering the desired results of the Crown.
BULLISH
Ok, OT, but the Anastasiadate chick named Kristina is unbelievably hot. Holy fucking christ.
The fall of the British Empire.
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/09/documentary-the-fall-of-the-britis...
It's not the vote that counts, it's the people that count the vote.
Maybe. But they only need to pull the wool over the eyes of 50%. They have the .0001% to break the tie, and lure the 50 with pensions, military might, etc.
The dream is over. The Scots would rather be English. William Wallace died for nothing.
I guess 54% like their slavery. It's too bad they can't handle freedom from the EU.
Based on these admittedly early numbers, it looks like a total bloodbath for the Scottish indepedence movement.
PUSSIES. The fiery blood of the Scots that was around when the Romans build Hadrian's Wall is long gone. What we have are europussies and euroshits that like being SLAVES.
FU Scotland. You shame my celtic heritage.
This will be the last time they vote No, next time around when the old farts have died off it will be YES
The Free Shite Army. Winning!
Scotland didn't eat its meat. It canna have anah puddin'.
A sad day for the Scots.
A ruinous day for their mythological reputation.
If Yes-votes on the big stacks of "No"-votes go "unnoticed" it's planned in a big way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJif7vISQg
"SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE VOTE RIGGING EXPOSED - Smoking Gun Evidence of Vote Being Rigged!"
So it's not only a sad day for Scotland - it's a sad day for the world.
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."
By then the young farts will have become the old farts and the economic situation will be completely different e.g. the oil industry may be no more or only for foreign markets.
Clearly the recent swing to YES paniced the London politicians who then all promised devo max for the scots - at the expense of the welsh and english who don't have a vote on whether or not they want to pay for it.
Now the politicians will have to figure out how they can appease the welsh and english without completely going backon their word, expect some statements in the next couple of days. Possibly more devolution for all the countries.
FWIW, Scotland has had the power to levy local taxes for a few years but Salmond has not taken up this potentially unpopular route.
Except that there won't be a next time. Not within the lifetime of anyone who voted this time.
No British PM is going to be as stupid as Cameron (at least in this type of debacle) for a loooong time.
Well at least my ancestral home of Ayre came in at 49-51; but still it's a bitter pill. for shame; for shame. once you fought for your freedom and now you're afraid to put a mark on a piece of paper. My ancestors are turning in their graves.
You are an embarassment all of your own. It's good to see that notions of unity prevail over nationalism.
Like I said last week it was never going to happen. There were too many unanswered questions in the yes campaign. The independence question will be raised again, give it 5 years or so and the Scots will get another bite of the cherry!
After the next big round of austerity which should kick in soon and the conservatives winning the next election there will more reasons to vote for independence.
The UK is rotting from London outwards
LOL, COSMOS wrote:
"PUSSIES. The fiery blood of the Scots that was around when the Romans build Hadrian's Wall is long gone. What we have are europussies and euroshits that like being SLAVES.
FU Scotland. You shame my celtic heritage."
europussies and euroshits? You still did not get that the Scottish Nationalists want to get out of the UK, not the EU? Or that many would have voted yes instead of no if Scottish membership to the EU would have been automatically granted? Which is still a handy club to belong to if you are a small nation state?
I repeat for those who haven't understood: the Scots are predominantly pro-EU. It's the English majority that would like to leave the EU, and London is not having that referendum before 2017, and only if Cameron is re-elected and makes this promise true
and I'll rephrase it, for the lulz: there is a majority of Scots that would like to manage their local affairs nationally, and their global affairs through the EU. but that was not the deal
You mean when the Scots were Godless barbarians
Thats why thier men wear skirts.
A lot of "What's under the kilt?" jokes. Now we know one thing for sure. It isnt balls.
The fuck you know about it.
The mythology of the Scots just got an update. Forget the silly bagpipes, kilts, scotch, proud and brave (yet pathetic) cannon fodder for the Brits. All shite.
A fucking majority of pussies, grannies, addicts, SUBJECTS.
That truly brave grandmother of mine very obviously left her inferiors behind.
The Queen is monarch of Scotland regardless of which way any Scottish referendum on independence goes, genius.
OMFG. I have violated the irrelevant and moronic protocol of subservience. Where shall I go, what shall I do?
I think I'll watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es0t50H44IE [Monty Python - Kamikaze Scotsmen]
Scotland the Brave Weiners
A thong.
William who?
Willy wallace was a wealthy land owner fighting as most wealthy people do, for more power and money, and fook all to with freedom. But don't let history spoil your hollywood inspired view of the world.
Agreed; the descendants of Robert the Bruce have become a Caledonian gibs me dat army.
Didn't see that coming.
Sad, indeed.
Right, because as we all know, Robert the Bruce was fighting for "the nation of Scotland" and not for his own throne.
Another one whose knowledge of 'history' comes from Hollywood movies. William Wallace? The same thug William Wallace who raped, looted, murdered and cattle-rustled his way across Scotland?
Yep he raped looted and murdered the invading Brits who raped looted and murdered the Scots that were on that holy Celtic ground before them.
If 45% of the people in the US voted to secede, it would be a big fucking deal. I'd like to believe it's the same in Scotland. People think the US is polarized politically, but it's a global phenomenon. Plenty of people want to be free to chart their own course in this world, but the boot of oppressive government stomps all over those dreams.
The train has left the station. I'm not saying we've won or anything, because it looks like the votes will come up short tonight. But I am saying that it'll become increasingly difficult for the powers that be to keep roughly half the population in check.
And don't let yourselves be fooled — the people who want to be free are infinitely more motivated than the people who long to be nursed by a nanny state.
"In 'N' Out"
Yeah, I've been in debt, from conceptionAnd I'll pay for the rest of your life
As long as I mail my bills and look me in the eye
You can have it now, but you gotta pay for it later
You work me up, I pay my plan
Now you're working for the man, yeah
hey got you goin' in, they got you comin' out
Same amount, in 'n' out
There ain't no way 'round the system
Money makes this world go 'round
All the way, they got you down
Sing and add it up, for throwing yourself out the window
My conscience loves to stick around
One more payment, lay it down, on the ground Same amount, in 'n' out -Van Halen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsXK3cEMNYU
That's how u count the votes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg
If the Scots don't vote for independence tonight, I hope the bullshit BBC/Hollywood propaganda machine will stop with this never ending mythology makin, about those poor "rebel Scots, those oppressed Scots" that just wanted Freeeeeeeeeeedom from England and they could be their fucking awesome, independent selves!!!
If those cats vote NO tonight, not only will I be NOT traveling or spending any money in Scotland going forward, ill be referring to them as British!!
Fuck this American PC bullshit about culturalism within your giant corporate state monopoly system, it's fucking a joke!
If you want to be free, you want to control your own destiny and culture and be called Scots, then you fucking take the responsibility that goes with it, or pack up those kilts and bagpipes and get your British asses to work like the rest of the servents and slaves!!
If they voted like those people in Crimea, it would be 90-10 for Freedom and there would be any "fraud" possible, but it looks like the "Scots" might just be good little loyal servants to the Crown after all!
"They vote NO tonight and everyone can STFU about "Braveheart" and "Outlander", its nothing more then tourism propaganda!
Yep. I didn't think the Scots were so helpless. If they really want London to keep leading them around by the nose, then they can take their Haggis and shove it. Let them sleep on this: resurgence of pro-independence sentiment (primarily among the youth, I gather) means London will punish them, taking all the oil revenue, suppressing the economy and making conditions overall much worse in the years ahead.
YOU HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY. YOU WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER CHANCE.
"If these people
Tell this story
To their children
As they sleep...
Maybe someday
They'll see a Hero
Is just a Man
Who knows he's free."
Has anyone responded to the tweet of yes ballots in the counted no stacks?
Thanks
<-- Votes exist to dissuade/disillusion the majority
<--- Cooter is a cynical asshole
Regards,
Cooter
I personally believe the peadofile entrapment network is so wide spread there that any real vote count is not possible ....
Propaganda news flow is relentless... total "shite" as they "perceive" for the masses... (puke)
Can ya see it Bucky?
If they vote No I foresee a lot more than the usual pub fights in London and Glasgow. Guys in skirts ordering a whiskey will not go unnoticed or unjeered me thinketh.
Them pub and tavern brawls will make Kiev look like a cubscout jamboree.
The Scots preferring more freedom left Scotland a long time ago for the New World. The genetics leftover couldn't make a stand against a fly biting an ass.
Repeat in a hundred years, maybe. If there is no falling down and gross anarchy in the meantime for everybody.
world won't stay zero growth for a decade without any major social movement.
a decade is half a generation, when shit is long enough to raise a generation of ppl knowing that the " no futur" t-shirt is now real, you can expect serious gun law enforcement in europ.
trust me, you wont have to wait more than a decade to see serious turns in the anarchy road.
Freedom is never won by a vote. It is paid for by blood. Historically this has always been true.
I drive every day on a reservation and pass a sign welcoming all to their sovereign nation. They believe their freedom was won by a vote too. While I am very happy these people are not experiencing the harsh treatment of their forefathers, their "sovereignty" is tenuous because it was granted, not won.
At this point, all voting is meaningless. I await the day when it becomes meaningful again. It's the transition that is the most disturbing part.
Miffed;-)
To tell the truth I feel a strong impulse to suicide.
Are you saying... saying... that, that, that, the Loc Ness Monster is tourism propaganda too??? Please, please don't be saying that. : (
Blows my mind that it is even close ... I used lament the fact that we are not even given the opportunity to vote ourselves into a republic here in Oz ... looking at the Scottish result for guidance the fucking slaves would just vote in favor of remaining a British penal colony anyway.
Can you believe their great grandfathers fought wars and died to get what they can take today with the stroke of a pen yet they flock to remain indentured.
These "Sheople" are the real enemy ... They are so far gone the PTB are confident enough to run open and honest referendum knowing full well the slaves will vote how they are "informed" to vote via the MSM.
The more "technology" advances, the less likely there will ever be a fair election again. We need to go back to hand-counted paper ballots with arbitors from both sides present to count every vote in every election. Sounds like a pipe dream... I know.
Bullshit, don't make excuses for this shit, this is a god damn landslide for the NO camp, these so called big bad Scottish warrior type motherfuckers thirsting for freedom, had their chance tonight, and all that developed was a bunch of scared little people who wanted to continue hiding underneath the Queens dress!!
Looks like it was all just BBC/Hollywood mythology wasn't it??
They had a chance to give the whole world hope tonight and serve a blow to this globalist, Keynesian lunatic madness, and instead they showed their just scared little Scots, to stupid and entitled by British scraps, to comprehend it!!
I hesitate to mention, as certain as the outcome may look right now, that neither the Highlands nor Edinburgh is in yet. We're missing about half the Scots.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11106917/Sc...
Propaganda - It's what's for dinner.
Braveheart and Outlander huh????
LMFAO
Who the fuck says no to a question like "do you want to be more independent?". "No, i'd prefer to be a slave". Fuck off, and fuck bagpipes
Advocater, I see that ANZUS 100 anniversary is up soon. What about Gallipoli?
Yep. Methinks my emotional view of the "country" where Dad was born has gone soft. Not looking good for my new Scottish passport.
Meanwhile, drinking some Founders Dirty Bastard scotch ale wee heavy, while watching results. (Try this stuff, its quite good!)
Oh well, looks hopeless. All my cousins have sold out. Forget freedom and self-responsibility, suckle up to the teet that feeds you.
Maybe still hope, maybe I can dump my guns and (false) freedom, sign up for socialized health care, find a nice little cottage in the Highlands, and look for a cute sheep to live out my senior years with.
Go Jack Daniels
Yes, all that Brave Heart nonsense can go straight to the shitter.
Better to read the Biography of Paul Revere.
Wasn't Brave Heart Australian?
No, William Wallace was born in Peekskill, NY, according to wikipedia!
Or Sybil Ludington
Looks too much like Jesse Spano for my taste
Once you go anastasiadate.com you never go match.com
Careful on eHomely.web.
That "Personality Matching" Algo can be emotionally draining. I tried it for a Month years ago - the final "contestant" didn't reveal her photo until she was chosen in the final round. Wasn't attractive AT ALL, nor was she a match wrt intellect//schooling. Felt exhausted and dissapointed.
FWIW, Chemistry.com allows you to screen by photos as well (a feature eHomely didn't have at the time). I even checked out a Russian Mail Order Bride Catalogue while stationed Overseas. The Profiles of the Women (attractive AND educated) were quite impressive.
Outside of taking a try with Model Quality Introductions, (ROTFL!!) I'd employ Professional Matchmaking Services; and the the Matchmaker ask the difficult questions and the background check to screen out the psychos, tramps, druggies, alkies, and sociopaths.
I hope she has about 10 children, all girls. We need to preserve those genes.
http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results
This was their only chance, uk will make it a point never to allow this to occur again and if they do they will know the outcome every time
As for Catalonia, the vote is already rigged, as maxwell smart used to say
Missed it by that much
98% turnout? Is Baghdad Bob reporting for the BBC?
By the time all the votes are counted 120% of Scotland population will have voted, or whatever % it takes for a no vote.
Damn, did Filthdelphia's voters move to Scotland then?
Who is this Diebold character that every body talks about?
Stalln says:
"You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how."
Paper ballots - local people counting them at tables with lots of observers looking over shoulders as quick hands sort the paper into piles - 1 yes pile, and 1 no pile. No blinking lights, no giant screens. Sort of reminds one of a Chad party.
Q: "Who is this Diebold...?"
A: Electronic voting machines, reportedly rigged. See documentary "Hacking Democracy."
That's quite a turnout unheard of in the USA. Even when I was living in the so-called "progressive" "Keep Austin Weird" city [also called "Little LA" now], the turnout for mid-term elections was about 2.4% of eligible voters.
Lets face it, most Sheeples don't give a crap since they know it won't make a diff.
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Haha you got that right deflator!!
Systems rigged, markets rigged, ZH sees this everyday....why would we assume this vote isn't rigged...
Ballot Stuffing!
It's going to be NO (unfortunately) a big fat suspicious NO! Vote win
Yep, if it wasn't rigged the electronic voting machine would instantly give each voter a code, similar to each transaction code when using a Visa or Mastercard, they could go home and confirm over the internet their vote was counted CORRECTLY. Also, this would allow post polling of votes to double confirm results were counted correctly with random polling.
Instead, you get NADA, ZERO, ZIP when walking out of the voting booth.
VISA, Mastercard, American Express, Discovery, Amazon, Ebay and the list goes on and on of companies that give each buyer or transaction a unique number they can confirm aferwards.
Until that happens with these electronic voting machines raise the suspicision they are rigged, manipulated, coerced and just give results the politicans want. Any chance you've noticed how close the last few presidential races have been in the U.S.? Hmmm...
It's not rigged. What do you think they would just put the yes votes on the no pile. http://t.co/YsHCXTAmY5
Yeh, see 2012 St. Lucie County, FL votes.
Sh*t sh*t sh*t
Evidence of RIGGING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RCe55y0dw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru79UKlZE_k
has happened before: (2012)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8vgHgthRXw
i fucking hope to god its yes...
FUCK YOU NEW WORLD ORDER AND ALL YOU FUCKING BANKERS BURN ETERNALLY IN HELL....
I will settle for flaming Teslas.
My bet is that those wishing to remain on the government teat win out by a slim margin, with milk on their lips.
even if its close - it changes the game significantly..
spark, meet flame...
fucking MoneyChangers meet fucking be-heading...
feel the energy in the live coverage...god damn man its beautiful...
im here in the states and im so fuckiong jealous...dude just said if we get free we can have a Palestenian Embassy...
fuck me....
It's time! The Status Quo is done, done, done! Statists go fuck yourselves!
u see it too...we've been so beat down by the percieved power of the state that we cant see straight...
they r nothing without our consent...
we dodnt even have to use the arms we got in abundance...
just step away from them...without our attention what are theyand what can they do...
GOD DAMN IT...WE HAVE THE POWER NOT THOSE GLOBALIST ASSHOLES...
casadores anyone....im sippin'...
sadists? scottish wenches abound...
"fucking MoneyChangers meet fucking be-heading..."
Aye.
and having a Palestinian embassy would be another important reason for TPTB to ensure it's a No vote.
"My bet is that those wishing to remain on the government teat win out.."
This.
The system has stacked enough non productive check collectors of all sorts, including government employees with guaranteed pay, benefits and pension, that most people prefer their miserable ease to true freedom.
The same holds true in Scotland.
Yea, it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes....
Hanging chads and all that shit.....
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DXCw9gYb75U/Tbpmw8ihKTI/AAAAAAAAbYc/0tXscDt_vC...
'It's official'. Results just in. Scotland gains Independence from UK. Russian Sub's now based in Holy Lock./sarc
Caravans of Bristol hooligans spotted driving north, more to come.
(Stir that pot)
Scotland wins independence - installs parking meters for British nuclear subs at Farslane.....
James Cook reporting data for the BBC. How strangely appropriate.
I'm hoping for Yes, expecting No.
I want them to vote yes because this gives the other separatist movements more creedence, but I don't think it will happen because there is no way the elite will allow this to go forward. Scotland uses paper ballots, and there is no end to the way those results can be monkeyhammered.
Good thing I have a full bottle of Johnnie Walker black, because I think I'm going to down the whole fucker tonight.
ay the Black...many memories in Espana...just cause of ur taste u gotta be a good dude...
drink up my friend knowing that u r not alone...wake up tomorrow renewed in spirtit and conviction...
this is war and recognize who is ur adversary...not a overnight thing..
CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YouGov chief Peter Kellner: '99% certainty it's a No victory'YouGov president Peter Kellner has claimed there is a 99% chance of a No vote in the independence referendum.
The claim comes after a YouGov survey of 1,828 people after they had voted, along with 800 postal voters, which predicted a No win with 54% of the vote.
In a Sky News interview, Mr Kellner said: "Now, at the obvious risk of looking like a complete prat in about eight hours time, I would say it's a 99% certainty it's a No victory."
He continued: "I can't see No losing this now."
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/292652-yougov-chief-peter-kellner-99...
it will not stand...
i can feel it no matter the numbers...
the ideas time has come...
ive listened to the people on the live cast...they know way to fucking much...
even its its no it will be yes shortly....
give spiritual support to those who had the courage to stand...peace..
Fair point. Wonder how long the junta lasts in Kiev.
Feck scottie terriers, the hand lickers. The real deal will be when Ireland disavows the onerous debts of bailing out their banksters that tripled the national debt.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q3q5AO64weI/VBsY0y2p8SI/AAAAAAAA5qQ/5ywci3jCRd...
And don't forget to count the ballots found floating in the bay tomorrow.
They should have hired Publishers Clearing House to count the ballots since they have a history of not counting envelopes marked NO.
I'm mostly ambivalent.
Don't buy into the conspiracy theory that if its a NO vote that it was rigged. Its human nature to resist change so the Yes crowd had an uphill slog regardless. From what I undertstand, Scotland is heavily socialist and with independence would come responsibility to fund the state with declining North Sea oil production and increasing entitlements.
Someone better informed please disabuse me of this as I just don't see the upside of the Yes vote unless its a true idealistic vote of one conscience for independence from the Brits. What good that will come out of this I beleive is that its a shot across the bow for others ( ie Catalonia) debating on secession.
Being a Texan who would like to see my state secede from the US of A, I can identify with the Yes voters but don't see Scotland as being capable of self governance given the socio-economic challenges
It will depend the composition breakdown of those yes and no votes. I'll be surprised if it doesn't break roughly along elderly over 55 NO (more to lose due to pensions etc) vs younger under 55 YES then conditional probabilities of that breakdown along city dwellers NO vs countryside dwellers YES. That is going to be what to watch and where the number skewing will be done afterwards since that is done by the pollsters.
Yeah, and what's the pension worth after City wrings out any value?
Whenever there is money involved, conspiracy theory eventually becomes conspiracy fact--human nature to rationalize stealing, killing, fucking the neighbors wife, disrespecting parents, 10 commandments, etc.
People in Scotland that are compelled to vote no have a huge stake in maintaining the status quo -- they have made more money being retired than they ever made working. Young people are pounding sand -- there are few jobs available with pensions or any benefits and the powers that be including the pensioners who sold out to them are flooding their country with immigrants who will work for not only no pension or benefits but below the inflation rate created by the status quo.
yes and no i agree wsith the "human conditioning" aspect to of it...but the focus on the socialist aspect i think is being overplayed...at the core is the rejection of being ruled by un-representative government as we r here...
1 step at a time man...but dont hate the movement....
Hey, Einsilver, that 'declining North Sea oil production' may prove to be erroneous. Couple weeks back, Cameron made an abrupt, brief, unscheduled trip up to the Shetlands. Rumors were flying that a huge oil field was just discovered west of The Shetlands and attempts were made to keep it secret till after this vote. I do not know if this is true, but if it is, the Scots just screwed themselves big time economically. With a population slightly larger than Norway (which has a cool million bucks per person in their Sovereign fund), Scotland could be An economic powerhouse.
I will be interested to see the oil developments in the coming months.
I hadn't heard that but a valid point. The achilles to the Scottish independence and ultimately self supporting their socilaist state would be how to fund it. If they had sufficient reserves to continue funding that would certainly change the equation.
Life imitating art - Just like the oil in Cyprus in the UK version of the House Of Cards (The Final Cut)
To "leave my mark on the world," Urquhart champions a treaty resolving the Cyprus dispute while secretly working to bring offshore oil deposits under the control of the Turkish authorities on the island so that a Turkish-British consortium will have the drilling rights; an executive of the consortium has promised to provide for Urquhart's retirement fund in return. Urquhart also has a personal connection to Cyprus: as a nineteen-year-old British Army lieutenant serving there in 1956, he killed two young EOKA guerillas while trying to get information from them. Urquhart has frequent nightmares and flashbacks of this event, and also of the murders of Mattie Storin and others, shown in the previous series.:
fuck youguv
Nos by a Nose.
How fucking predictable.
Kentucky Fracked Whiskey - or Scotch Whiskey? C'mon Scotch.
Okay, Jamesons
Those voter turn out numbers are pretty impressive... Even with all the free shit serfs receive in the ussa,the turnout percentage was only 57.5 % in '12.
Even if .gov gave every voter a bottle of single-malt and let "16 year olds" vote, I seriously doubt the numbers would be as high as the Scotish vote.
Yes, but to compare the Scottish population with the American population is like comparing a grass fed beef steak with pink slime.
I think this quote of the scots works well today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqgkZDbe4Xk
“Fuckin failures in a country of failures. Its nae good blamin it oan the English fir colonising us. Ah don't hate the English. They're just wankers. We are colonised by wankers. We can't even pick a decent, vibrant healthy society to be colonised by. No..we are ruled by effete arseholes. What does that make us? The lowest of the low, the scum of the earth. The most wretched servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was ever shat intae creation. Ah don't hate the English. They just git oan wis the shite thev got. Ah hate the Scots.”
If I recall the quote correcctly: "The tree of liberty must be decorated from time to time with harmless pieces of ballot paper."
You don't recall the quote correctly, but you elucidate current practice splendidly.
"Die Young, Die Strong, Dianabol" (Diebold)
Old steroid user saying, but works well with rigged voting of today
I guess they won't have those oil revenues to convert each council flat into luxury accommodations after all!
The socialist Scots will never vote to abandon the teet of Westminster.
Ah, but you're forgetting that if Scotland does win independence, then they will join the EU and have much bigger teats to suckle. Today the UK, tomorrow Europe!
A continent of people holding their hands out to each other. Sickening.
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
EDIT:...Why is Mel "I hate JOOS" Gibson not going over there to kick some ASS?
You really think the TSA would allow Gibson to carry on as much liquor on the plane as he needs to maintain?
lol I dont know I think Mel could pull it off...he could be pretty charming...just gliding on through the TSA checkpoints... winking at the obese sista with a chip on her shoulder working the metal detector as he blows her a kiss and says "hey there suger tits!"
Send Groundskeeper Willie instead
PMs falling on the probable "No" victory. Who needs PMs when the status quo is maintained?
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
Johann Wolfgang von GoetheNow that I th8nk bout it..who gives a fuck?
I'd like to see them make it to Independence but alas TPTB wil fix and rig like the rest of the world.
I guess a lot of you will be crying in your beer cause the Scots voted no
It occurred to meself that a movement in favor of both independence and socialism was rather courtin' the Doom of the Banshee, because if'n you want to be independent, ye canna have your mitts in another's pocket, and if'n ye want your mitt in another's pocket, ye canna be independent.
They seemed to have figured that, and voted accordin'ly. Between independence and English gold, they seem to have favored th' English Gold. - Ripped from elsewhere and so true.
It's horrible. horrible. we are shamed. damn these gormless gits to hell.
Scots are beyond socialist. Many are on the dole or worse.
No way in hell will those on the dole vote to jeopardize their income, which is dependent on far more than Scotland.
The Quebeckers in Canada found out that same principle, which is why this outrageously false movement for "independence" was doomed form the start. Which is why the French wanted to leave Canada, but the native Indian population there said "fuck you, you go...we stayin' put".
The "independence" politicos promise more free shit.....without explaining how.
No way in hell will that fly.
Scotland proves that if you are dependent on another (even your own government).....you are never, ever free. Free shit is addictive.
Socialism is just another form of slavery. 180 degrees away from real "freedom!"
The damned real sheep in Scotland can take of themselves better. No government wonks needed.
Oddly, the slaves learn to love their chains and their masters.
They cut Mel Gibson's dick and balls off 500 years ago for trying to break free from them. They aren't going to let them just vote to leave and stay friends.
100% turnout in some there precints almost as impressive as the 110% turn out we get in the States at the inner city precints.
Hooray! Right back where they started. If you can't solve the problems in your own backyard, and you need to count on people who control you from hundreds of miles away, then your society is failed.
they hate our freedom
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ