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Scotland Votes As Andy Murray Provides Last Minute Boost For "Yes" Camp; Wall Street Roundup
The long awaited moment finally arrived after Scots began voting at 7am BST on whether to break away from the U.K. and end the 307-year union, even as latest opinion polls show the campaign against independence maintaining a narrow lead over those favoring independence.
A handy way to see where the various polls stand is on the following BBC page:
That said, the margin of error is too small for any decisive calls, as the fate of Scotland really lies with the Undecideds, who number anywhere between 5% and 14% and who can easily shift the final outcome away from the No camp if they vote Yes in the next few hours.
Polling booths will close at 10pm BST by which point the 4.3 million-strong electorate will await the initial results which may be released after 2am BST Sept. 19 with final numbers around 6am.
Notably, for those who enjoy liveblogs from local sources, there will be no media reports on the campaigning until polls have closed later in the day.
Somewhat surprisingly, the Yes camp got an unexpected boost just hours before the polls opened when 27 year old tennis star, and Scot, Andy Murray declared his support for Scottish independence in an 11th hour intervention on Thursday morning, after years of keeping silent on the issue.
Huge day for Scotland today! no campaign negativity last few days totally swayed my view on it. excited to see the outcome. lets do this!
— Andy Murray (@andy_murray) September 18, 2014
The Telegraph reports:
Having refused to be drawn on the subject in the past, Murray seemed to tweet his support for the Yes campaign to his 2.7 million followers. The 27-year-old Wimbledon champion - one of Scotland’s highest profile nationals - nailed his colours to the mast just hours before polls opened, writing: “Huge day for Scotland today! no campaign negativity last few days totally swayed my view on it. excited to see the outcome. lets do this!”
Murray, who grew up in Dunblane, Stirling, has previously expressed his admiration for staunch No supporter Gordon Brown, however on Thursday suggested he had been put off by the No camp’s recent campaign tactics.
His tweet received mixed reactions from his fans. One wrote: “Aw nice one Andy! (Left it a wee bit late there, could you no have come out a bit sooner”
While one follower from the No side said: “Disappointed in you andy, you may have just swayed the undecided.”
As a long-time resident of Surrey, Murray will not have a vote but he has generally been seen as a firm Scottish nationalist - drumming up controversy in 2006 when he said he would support "anyone but England" in the World Cup.
Murray has been quizzed on the issue previously but dodged the question, although in an interview in June he criticised Alex Salmond, the Scottish First Minister, for waving the country's flag at the tournament last year.
When pressed on the issue of independence in an interview after his Wimbledon victory, he said: “You don't want to come to a snap decision and then see the country go t*** up.
“I am proud to be Scottish, but I am also proud to be British. I don't think there is any contradiction in that.”
...
"If Scotland became independent, then I imagine I would be playing for Scotland," he said. "I haven't thought that much about that yet because I don't think it's looking too likely that it's going to happen. But if it did happen, then it would be pretty much the first time in my life that I would have ever (had the chance to play for Scotland)."
He added that he did not like making his views on politics known as previous comments had "caused me a headache ... and a lot of abuse".
One does wonder if this isn't just a case of "too little, too late", when all the firm believers in the status quo have already voiced their support of the No vote repeatedly and consistently in recent weeks, ever since a Yes outcome became a possibiliy.
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So how is today's outcome being traded?
One look at cable shows that there is increasing relief based on the latest set of polls that the No vote will have it, and the GBP has been rising aggressively against both the USD and the EUR, with the EURGBP moments ago sliding to a fresh two year low.
Here is what Wall Street said in its most recent commentary on the vote, via Bloomberg:
Morgan Stanley
- GBP may come under initial pressure as first regions to release results of Scottish referendum have a tendency to lean toward “yes” vote, FX strategists including Ian Stannard, say in client note
- Volatility expected overnight as results are released on region-by-region basis; larger regions with the highest percentage of vote aren’t expected to report until later
- In longer term MS maintains GBP/USD bearish view for next year
Jefferies
- GBP has prospect of marked recovery on a “no” vote
- Negative shock to GBP from “yes” vote would be huge; it’s this entry to uncertain world that makes “yes” vote unlikely
- Path could still be rocky as results come in
- With Glasgow and Edinburgh not expected to declare until 5:00am local time there is room for considerable GBP volatility overnight; North Lanarkshire has been pinpointed as good early indicator given its proximity to Glasgow
Societe Generale
- RBS and Lloyds face three distinct threats from credit perspective, if Scottish voters say “yes” to independence, Guy Stear and Paul Fenner-Leitao, analysts, write in client note dated Sept. 17
- First and biggest threat is regulatory; second threat is currency; third threat is taxes
- Sequence of events which might follow a “yes” vote may be as unpredictable, uncontrollable as the late 1980s in Eastern Europe, global strategist Albert Edwards says in strategy note dated Sept. 15
Liberum
- Impact of Scottish independence vote on banks’ direct costs and pensions is overdone
- Sees relief rally of 3%-5% for RBS and Lloyds if Scotland votes “no;” notes Lloyds, RBS have contingency plans to move
- Cost of “yes” vote may be modest, mainly related to compliance, small increase in complexity
- Net increase in costs for Lloyds, RBS may be GBP100m or ~2% of pretax
- HSBC, Barclays may see costs increase about half as much as RBS, Lloyds
Commerzbank
- Oil prices may react to referendum despite having no impact on market supply-demand, bank says in e-mailed report
- “A ‘‘yes’’ vote for Scottish independence would generally increase uncertainty on the markets in the short term, which would certainly be sufficient to put pressure on oil prices”
Goldman Sachs
- More Scots will probably vote on Sept. 18 for “safe” status quo than opinion polls indicate, economist Kevin Daly says in client note dated Sept. 16
- Implications of “no” vote would largely depend on size of majority; in event of “yes” vote, talks over terms of independence would be complex and potentially contentious; general consequence would be prolonged uncertainty
- Goldman’s latest ’poll of polls’ suggests vote is a 3-point race, with 48.7% support for “yes” and 51.3% for “no”
HSBC
- Polls suggest Scotland’s Sept. 18 referendum on independence is too close to call, Bert Lourenco, head of EMEA rates research at HSBC, writes in client note on Sept. 16
- Recommends investors stay neutral U.K. duration, with a steepening bias to curve, underweighting 10Y-20Y sector
- Evidence of vote against independence could see GBP retrace recent move to around 1.65 vs USD, analysts led by David Bloom write in client note; vote in favor of independence would see further lurch lower in GBP due to heightened uncertainty, targeting 1.55
- As referendum nears, risks associated with “yes” vote remain high; now in situation where whichever way vote goes, GBP/USD will move: MORE
Pimco
- Scotland would have to use pound in case of independence vote and BOE may delay tightening, manager Mike Amey says in Bloomberg TV intv Sept. 16
- Pimco hasn’t trimmed holdings of gilts before vote money
- Short-dated gilts may rally on “yes” vote
- Risk of capital flight from U.K. but not Pimco’s central expectation
JPMorgan
- 60-40 odds are in favor of “no” vote, economists Allan Monks and Malcolm Barr write in client note on Sept. 15, citing possible presence of status-quo bias for subjective assessment
- GBP/USD weakening by 6%-7% is possible in first few weeks after a Scottish vote for independence, strategists including Paul Meggyesi write in client note dated Sept. 12
- See 10Y gilt yield selling off 10bps-15bps in event of vote for independence, with 5Y/5Y forwards rising and 5/10 curve steepening ~5bps-10bps: MORE
Nomura
- Assigns 30% probability to Scottish independence
- May cause relatively indiscriminate selling of U.K. assets as they are the liquid ones trading
- Recommends differentiation as independence would be much worse for Scotland’s economy than the New U.K.’s.
- On Sept. 8 recommends to short GBP/USD up until Scottish referendum, reduce position the day before the vote and enter fresh longs before polling, in anticipation of a “no” vote
Indeed, the prevailing consensus is that No will have it in the end, if by a slim margin. Here is DB's Jim Reid:
I think it will be slightly more in favour of the NOs than that as the fears of job losses and price rises as a result of independence (justified or not) may sway the weaker conviction voters. However this is just an educated hunch. Assuming it is vaguely close though, things might never be quite the same again and more and more power might be handed over to the Scots over the coming months/years and this vote may come again one day. Also other dissatisfied regions around the world are likely to have already been empowered by the successes so far in the YES campaign. However a NO in any form will make this a slow burning issue rather than an immediate problem that a YES vote would bring, especially in UK assets.
Yet not everyone is firmly in the "No to Independence" mindset. As Bloomberg reports, Newton Investment Management, with an AUM of GBP51 billion, is shorting GBP and gilts into Scotland’s referendum on independence, head of fixed income Paul Brain says in phone interview.
Base-case view is that “no” vote will win, and sees three likely scenarios
1) Resounding “no” vote, under which market uncertainty would disappear
2) ’No’ vote with small majority, whereby issue lingers on as “neverendum,” undermining U.K. govt
3) ’Yes’ vote, which would exaggerate U.K. political risks and be quite negative for U.K. assets in short term
Is short GBP/USD into referendum, as only one of these outcomes would be positive for pound -- and size of victory is also important for currency
Shorts gilts across curve because U.K. economic strength would justify BOE rate increases, if referendum were not going on. Yields should also rise if referendum stokes political uncertainty and raises questions about “who’s standing behind gilts”
In any event, we will report the results once they start being released later today, even if we too are skeptical that the true will of the people, assuming it is for independence, will be allowed to be voiced: there is just too much at stake to a statist oligrachy for the legacy status quo to be so violently challenged.
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The Oligarchs don't want Scotland to leave, they'll rig the vote if need be. I could be wrong but I think NO is going to "win".
No will win, by the very way that you've just described................rigged
No will win one way or another. They may not have to rig it, but there's always Diebold...just in case.
Paging Harry Reid...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758055/Outraged-Swiss-village-1...
Get aways Scotland while you still can. The swarm will get you too otherwise.
And market will have huge relief rally like it ever worried about this so much....
This is where I miss InTrade being around. They'd have had this nailed down to a fine decimal point by now. When people's money is on the line with their prediction, the agenda-pumping bullshit falls away fast.
Who wanna bet that the US stock markets will add another 2% after the NO vote unofficially squeaks by with 50.1% of the votes.
While tangible assets like Gold, oil, silver keeps tanking.
Is there a POMO today???? It sure feels like Kevin Henry was taught well by David Blaine on levitating the markets.
Have faith guys, I hope the yes vote shall prevail, bought some Red Label Whiskey to celebrate or grief, either way, some support to Scotland's economy...:)
I wonder have the Scots who are against independence really seen this movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cnoM8EiGGU
You're referencing the Daily Mail. Your argument is invalid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsEWgKttC9A
This swarm
Hope Scotland wins the day, but unfortunately, I'm not very optimistic about it.
So who's counting the votes when it's all said and done, right??? In a vote this close my guess will be that it will be "swayed" to the "No" side.
But one question though...If it does come out as "No", then what? How soon again can Scotland regroup and have another vote for independence? This can't be their one and only chance for all time.
Quebec has been doing it for decades now...
Indeed... and milking it. Voting "no" is far more lucrative than any "yes" vote as the bribes to stay become bigger and bigger.
Quebec gets things, Scotland gets things taken away, there is a differnace.
This vote count could play out like FL in 2000
I could really see the power play in action then: "James Baker has arrived in Florida to............."
http://trendsmap.com/v2/Lf62/w
Oh, FFS. They're not using voting machines at all; we've been over and over this on every bloody referendum thread today.
EVIL always wins.
No will win, if it wins, because a lof of Scots will have woken up today and realized that they are going to get pounded, pun unintentional, if Yes wins. Mr. Murray, who, by virtue of his wealth and where he lives, is insulated against the ill effects of independence has made a decision on what sound like emotive grounds. He didn't like the No campaign's tactics (has he been living under a tennis court or does he choose to simply ignore the Yes campaigns manifold egregious behavior?) is someone who should be entirely dismissed as any sort of a guide.
NO will win by a small margin, so it'll turn into a NEVERENDUM.
A Neverendum can be useful also for some people, as the "contained uncertainty" won't affect the Markets, but will be bullish for political careers. Same thing happened in Quebec, which is a template for these things.
http://trendsmap.com/v2/Lf62/w
If nothing else this shows YES has twitter locked up.
Clearly the UN and Carter should be there to make sure no shenanigans or hooliganisms are initiated by the Brits.
We'll send Carter over if they promise to keep his sorry ass.
Jimmy Carter was - he still - he remains to this day America's most ex of ex-presidents. You just can't believe that we elected this doofus. He was a bright enough guy and sort of well-meaning. But he was about as prepared to be president of the United States as your goofy old uncle, you know, the one that memorises baseball statistics. (Thanks, PJ O'Rourke)
I lived through the Carter years and was one reason I was so happy in my first presidential election to vote for Ronald Reagan. Back then Carter was seen as a decent man but naive and incompetent. The act of the killer Rabbit was probably his low point. Every passing year from the loss in 1980 saw him as the most failed president. Having now lived through 5 successive presidents I can say without a doubt that Barack Hussien Obama is miles ahead of Carter in failings. At least Carter had some military background and managed a business and was a state executive as Governor. Obama is a affirmative action president who accomplished nothing at Harvard except fornetworking with radicals, communists and the hate America crowd. Carter might be an Anti-Semite but he doesn't hate America.
Carter's heart is in the right place. He is often wrong, but he means well. Also... he doesn't like Obama. That's got to tell you something.
Yawn... international readers of ZH can always rely on some drooling dumb cunt seppo to insert their illusionary left/right paradigm into every story.
Aside; tho Carter has fuckall to do with Scotland, the truly free world can tell that he was the last elected president by his public views on Israel.
Likely the most recent American president in possession of a human soul.
WTF down votes that?
He's come out to condemn the NSA & his actions (Habitat) speak louder than any alleged representative (read bought & paid for slut) we've had in decades.
You should realize, Willy, that Spastica is wrong and deserves a down vote. All humans have souls. A soul is required in order to be alive. Some souls are good and some are evil but everyone has one.
Far be it from me to challenge your spiritual beliefs.
Perhaps your literal interpretation is mistaken for the metaphorical.
Nah
You're right.
LOL
What happens tomorrow if the "no" folks win? I guess the folks that wanted indpendence are screwed, right? #socialcontractconjob #democracysucks
The No vote will win as the demographics of Scotland (Pensioners) and the Tartan free shit brigades (Welfare) are happy to take what is on offer now, rather than the promised land of milk, honey, and er...work that independence will bring. People will also vote NO because the SNP are a bunch of trotsky fruitcakes. And please stop refering to the English as the Brits, the Brits are the English, Welsh, Northern Irish, and Scottish combined.
No, you are wrong. The English are the British.
Ask almost anyone, world wide. The response will nearly universally be that british = english.
Thats the kind of crap being said in the media the last little bit.
The British Empire would never have become what they became if Scotland had'nt been working with them. England has Betrayed British greatness, Scotland's tring to preserve it. They let Empire kick the front door in and shite in the living room.
I just heard on the radio that the 700 000 Scots who live outside of Scotland WON'T be abel to vote while the 300 000 Brits who live in Scotland will be able to.
The vote's already been rigged.
Anybody who resides in Scotland, who has a postal address gets to vote, yes the English, but also thousands of Europeans too. Crazy.
If voting really determined the outcome, it would be made illegal.
Murray you fucking traitor! You and that other sporting imbecile Beckham with the IQ of a 6 year old, are told what to say with a complete lack of knowledge for what you said! You are told to read from a teleprompter like the US idiot Obama!
Honestly, who decides which way to vote on a question like this based on the opinion of a tennis player, however good he may be?
http://trendsmap.com/v2/Lf62/w
Does anyone have a link to the independence voting history for countries that was recently posted? Thanks!
There is a box above your login, with a "search" button next to it.
Use it..
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-16/scottish-referendum-preview-170...
If YES, then the new Scottish national anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw2o_Go4QWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acxnmaVTlZA
this is a better Scottish song, wrote by a Scot.
Replace flower of Scotland with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZrdo1PuUvQ
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP8A9rtg0iI
People are so brainwashed that they will turn down freedom and the chance to be one of the richest countries on earth from oil wealth to keep on singing "God save the Queen and may she long reign over us."
Many serfs are in love with their servitude.
Here's hoping that reason prevails in this vote.
This is something I WILL NEVER EVER understand. All these brits, scots and spaniards and their queens and kings. in this day and age, do they really think they are better then them to give them all this respect after knowing how they have been screwing the people for hundreds of years. their is only one royal baby......YOURS you idiots
You misunderstand. Modern kings and queens are like pets.
The bankers hold all the power. They did in the past too.
I have read that the Queen Bitch is the worlds number One land owner, to the tune of $33 Trillion.
http://www.whoownstheworld.com/about-the-book/largest-landowner/
Fuck the Queen and all who sail on her.
'Mon the Buckie Brigade!
Paddy Power is paying only 1/5 for "No", and 7/2 for "Yes." Not so promising.
They'll never rig the vote.
Nope.
Never happens. Ever.
I voted Yes to arrest Loyd Blankfein.
I voted yes on Jon Corzine, but it didn't get me very far.
Corzine? Forget it. He is far too important to ever see jail. He is working hard for the oligarchs to steal the 401k funds for .gov and TBTF institutions.
The moar slaves the better for the Queens salary
Listen. If the vote is "NO", just let them have some of the American medical "MARIJANE". That'll teach 'em and put them on the fast track to docility.
If the nays have it today, I strongly suggest the pro independence people take a page from the globalist fucktards' handbook and keep getting on the ballot "until you get the result you want" after which you say the debate is settled and fuck the UK.
Just remember to fuck the EU at the same time. Something tells me that if this Yes vote also included a clear referendum to fuck the EU along with the UK, it would win hands down.
I would agree with you if I thought the majority voting Yes had even a slight grasp of the underlying issues, instead of the instant shoulder chip.
Whatever happens, there will be violence and deep divisions within my homeland.
If your homeland is Iraq or Egypt, then yes. Scottland is full of passive pussies who can't even bear to vote against TPTB, let alone fight.
These polls prove they are slaves in their own minds. Any country of men would be polling 90% yes.
Ah yes, I believe that's known as the "EU Constitution/Treaty Method". You will keep voting until you vote correctly!
Robert the Bruce (Angus MacFadyen) is voting YES.
Mel Gibson (William Wallace) would too, if he could.
Why are they still voting? Diebolt posted the 'official' results two days ago.
That Scottish Flag almost makes one nostalgic for the Flag of The Confederacy.
Mine in in safe-keeping - just in case....
It's also the same as the army of central Kentucky but with gold stars. (CSA)And the orphan brigade. and they led to where big blue uk wildcats came from
The difference between Scotland and the Confederacy couldn't be more stark if it tried.
The Scots are trying to secede from a conservative hellhole of a government. The Confederacy was a conservative hellhole of a government.
The Brits are conservative? In what way? Yes they are the lackeys of the US war party and contort themselves to fellate the London banks but that hardly is the defining trait of a conservative nation.
Look at the Swiss for an example of a conservative nation. Hard immigration, spending, etc.
I'm not sure who is a lackey of who. We keep bailing them out of weird shit, both economic and military, because of our "special relationship". This flies in the face of the sentiments of the founding generation. If you have a "special relationship" with a sicko, then it might be catching.
I would also remind those folks slamming the Confederacy that much of the population of the Confederacy was Scots-Irish and much of the Yankee slaver stock was of British extraction.
You Tsar have been stung by revisionist history. You have definitely become part of the problem. OPEN YOUR MIND and stop regurgitating Gov propaganda.
If one or a group of states with a common culture or ideal wants to break away from an increasingly centralized and seemingly corrupt government, they should have that right, e.g., New England, Southern States, Texas, Alaska, California, Hawaii,...
This will happen in time. Always does. There's no stopping it.
Free Cascadia.
There's a lot to like about that one! Beautiful, rich part of the world. Would make a nice Galt's Gulch, if it could be cleared of its current leftie infestation.
Just stay out, please. We'll figure it out on our own.
Don't forget Tsar, if there hadn't been the UK (including Scotland), Dutch, Spanish, Portugese,... THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SLAVERY IN THE USA. YOU CAN THANK THEM FOR IMPLEMENTING AND PROFITTING FROM THAT TRASH IN THE NEW WORLD.
Enjoy your day.
Then you must love the Novorossian flag.
http://anna-news.info/node/18252
Keep it handy... I see a use for it in the coming decade... Oblimama is just accelerating the enevitable break-up of the US. CSA!!!!
Yep - even got my CSA Army Issued belt-buckle all nice and polished... ;)
Unless you are planning an underground existence, you will not have any sovereignty. Plan on getting a mark to eat or you will be placed in the underground unwillingly. The devil is running the show, but only with God's oversight. It you aren’t of God, you will take the mark.
They are just lucky that Putin does not live next door....if it goes YES...do you know how many new Bagpipes will be sold and even worse USED in the next year...lots of new bagpipe songs and bands.....all day long...
Tell me how the votes are counted and I will tell you who will win.
The whole thing is rigged. The biggest lie out there is that your vote counts. That includes the US and the world. If you had trillions of dollars, would you not also own the electronic voting system?
The Britisch pound is at it's strongest against the euro since all year now.
Looks like a good moment to add a small short on the pound now.
Hard for the warmongers to profit if there is not an actual war for independence.
Who would not vote for more autonomy over their own lives?
Where the fuck is William Wallace when you need him. He wouldn't wait for a vote, he would be lobbing more heads than ISIS.
I love how Murray was treated like a Brit when he won Wimbledon. The cheers the parade, the fucking Queen probably. You could see in his eyes he thought it was BS
Rewrite history books. I guess an Englishman will still not have won Wimbledon since.... a long time ago!
If the Scots vote NO, so be it....but that will be the last I ever want to hear from them about any Brave Heart shit. Just take your tiny balls home and STFU.
If the vote is No, you may officially call all Scots, sheep; dumb and afraid. baaaaaaaaaa
Oh, please, I double-dog dare you to go and do that in Glasgow! And wear a GoPro, ok?
Real question is: when are the British serfs going vote for independence from the monrachy and the city of London?
Timing is everything..
Okay stupid dunb fucks
How sad is it that people need athletes to tell them what to do?!?! Why does anyone care what a tennis player thinks about this issue?!?!
C'mon Scotland, show us how it's done.
If the choices had been "Aye" or "Nay" the "Ayes" would definitely have it, laddies.
Yes will win in order to allow the cascade of events thereafter-- can only keep the charade going for so much longer and need something to blame.
Betting houses all have ayes as favored.
"In any event, we will report the results once they start being released later today, even if we too are skeptical that the true will of the people, assuming it is for independence, will be allowed to be voiced: there is just too much at stake to a statist oligrachy for the legacy status quo to be so violently challenged."
Sums it up perfectly, Tyler.
Diebold kills us dead every time.
The City of London won this election centuries ago.
This is sorta like Crimea but different, right?
Are they using the same voting machines that we have here in America? If so my wag is the nos will win not mater how the people actually voted.
We use bits of paper, and strangely pencils. I'm sure theres no sinister reason for that.
Do you have to show ID?
If it mattered they wouldn't be aloud to do it.
"And it's down to the wire...in an absolute squeeker...the votes have been tallied... and it's.........No! It's......Wait! THIS JUST IN: It's... it's George Fucking Bush as the King of Scotland (succeeding Idi Amin) and Barack O-rama as the Court Jester for the Bonnie Princess Clit-on!"
Jimmy Olson scrambles to his cell..."Chief? It's Jimmy. Get this down!: THE DAILY PLANET IS SOOO SCREWED!"
Scots should not vote for independance because being independant is hard and messy and sometimes even rough and scary. Stay with the UK and you won't need to do anything and nothing will be messy because it will be taken care of and it won't be scary or rough either. All you need to do is hand over a majority of your income in taxes and all of your natural resources. Trust us, the UK is getting screwed in this deal.
signed Bill and Barrack
I guess if the Scotts leave, Great Britain will be known as So-So Britain.
How many of Scotland's richest people are actually Scottish?
If they become independant, I'm worried we may see a signficant increase in this sort of terroristic activity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejGQ5oIuP9c
Scotland, a nation I have visited many times, as far back as 1988, PLEASE for the love of god vote for independence, vote for freedom. The London Bankers are pissing themselves over your threat to become free? Why? Because they plan to leech off of you forever!
London is a city of Bankers, who seek to skim all of the Untied Kingdom. Look at their housing bubble, created by the Bank of England, as a form of fraud. David Cameron, who is an American, not an Englishman, owes all of the United Kingdoms loyalty and assets to the Untied States and it's foreign policy of war.
This is your last chance to stick it to the London Bankers. My great fear is that even now, as I write, London's MI5 is busy as a beaver planting all the votes needed in this close election to swing it for England. MI5 is one of earth most evil secret services. They have killed Scots and Englishmen who threaten the London Banker and American War systems. I feel 90% certain that they are planting votes across Scotland to swing this election. In that sense, I believe the Scots need a 5% majority vote for Independence, to voer come the 2-4% fraud votes MI5 is planting. It is considered that 4% is the upper level for hand counted vote fraud. A 5% or higher YES vote makes it exponetially harder to run a hand counted vote fraud.
even if yes would prevail, i have hard time believing that scottish politician are somehow more honorable than rest of the political elite of the world. little less centralization but otherwise business as usual. i wouldn't get too exited about it all.
"David Cameron, who is an American..."?! He's from London, mate. You're delusional.
As for "leeching", do look up the Barnett formula.
Unless someone can explain what the next currency for Scotland will be (in detail), fuck all this nonsense.
There is no independence, only illusion.
Just trading one set of wankers for another. Perhaps worse.
Premature DeEnglishJackulations!