Ironically they were on CNBC which is now only spinning BS for radical liberals. I'm too young to know them, were they the begining of the end, or the end of a different time. I see that they lasted into the 70's so they may have been the latter.
They were on the air from 1956 - 1970, and were the NBC news anchors for all those years, so they rode the wave when TV was new... Back then we only had 3 channels, 17 hours a day... It was a different era altogether...
I am just old enough to be able to remember the static or test patterns you would wake up to at 4:30am after falling asleep on the couch with the tv on.
"It's ten o'clock. Do you know where your children are?"
Yes, it was a different time. Better now, in some ways - everybody used to believe Walter Cronkite when he said, "And that's the way it is," when it really wasn't.
Since the TV went digital in 2010 most TV can now broadcast microwaves to stop free will , and yes they do make you stupid just like the Lilly waves given off by iPhones and most "smart" phones you have to be pritty dumb to have one they are adictive because of the endorphins they make body release into your brain
jeez, ain't that the depressing truth. i can't even keep track of all the things that have gone horribly wrong so far, and all the things that will go horribly wrong by 2016, but yet the unicorn prince will live like a king for the rest of his life.
The reason the MSM is going over the cliff with Barry is because they are tied at the hip by Political Correctness. They dare not tell the truth, they've been making excuses and covering up for him since 2007.
70 virgins for eternity...that means you will spend an eternity with the same woman....70 times...I fail to see how any mathematically able person would see that as a good thing....unless the whole idea of sex was foreign to you...which I suspect it is to these kids from the deep third world. Rape seems to be the only sexual activity they can understand.
You're forgetting the 23 serving boys fresh as pearls, in addition to the 72 virgins. The problem from Obama's standpoint is that you have to be martyred (i.e., killed) to get it.
Otherwise, you just get stuck with the same wife you had on earth.
Listen Spoilsport. How could there be such unsurmountable amount of evidence that the "FREE" people of USSA are such saps, yet those very people just brush it off and say "things are going to change" "soon, very soon").
The fall is only bad for those that see it for what it is... it is the sudden stop at the bottom that will cause the rest of the sheep to finally feel the pain.
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.” – FDR letter to Colonel Edward House, Nov. 21 1933
All our lives we’ve been told that economics is boring. It’s dull. It’s not worth the time it takes to understand it. And all our lives, we’ve been lied to.
War. Poverty. Revolution. They all hinge on economics. And economics all rests on one key concept: money.
Money. It is the economic water in which we live our lives. We even call it ‘currency'; it flows around us, carries us in its wake. Drowns those who are not careful.
We use it every day in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it, worrying about it, saving it, spending it, pinching it. It defines our social status. It compromises our morals. People are willing to fight, die and kill for it." j.c.
"We use it every day in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it, worrying about it, saving it, spending it, pinching it. It defines our social status. It compromises our morals. People are willing to fight, die and kill for it." Great quote.
Most people do not ever ask the questions: What is money? Where does it come from? These paper tickets and plastic cards don't grow on trees. Somebody made it. Somebody owns the machinery which produces it. So who? I find it amazing that people can live their entire lives chasing a paper ticket and never, ever, ask themselves what it is.
Imagine a deer hunter, who lived or died on the basis of catching a deer, but never bothering to learn the least bit about deer. It makes no sense. It's beyond childish. Children ask questions, and seek answers. It's beyond careless. Even a fool would be aware of the means of his survival.
I like to ask "intelligent" people these questions. What is money? Where does it come from? Those who can be aroused to curiousity eventually discover the trap they were born into. Sadly, most don't know, think they do, and don't want to find out. They just want more.
So ask your children. They are capable of concrete reasoning. They can admit when they don't know something. They have yet to be conditioned. They may yet have a chance.
"I like to ask "intelligent" people these questions. What is money?"
The incredible part is that when I ask very, very educated people, such as lawyers, teachers and those "blessed with PHD's", they have no clue as to what money is.
That is "progress" for you. In the 19th century the meaning of money was well understood. Now in the 21st century the meaning of money is a mystery.
Dammit kchrisc, this is 'Merica. When we finally get off our asses, we use ropes. A lot more lamp posts than blade makers in this country. Charming thought, though.
MSM represents the interests of the oligarchs who own them. PR for the ruling class.
What you call 'wild-eyed liberal', I call propagandizing for the Gravy Train.
Progressives of the Left do social engineering here at home, with our money. Doesn't work, a very long list of failures and wasted lives of their victim lab rats. But it continues because it puts $ into the pockets of the intelligencia and their political cronies: all of those NGOs, gov programs, universities, ... to be administered.
Progressive of the Right do social engineering worldwide via international diplkomacy with war, with our money. Doesn't work, a very long list of failures and blighted lives of our soldiers and their citizens. But it continues because it puts $ into the pockets of the arms manufacturers and their political cronies.
Forget Left vs Right, D vs R. The only dimension that explains anything important (which the puppet show in the political arena is not) is the 99.99% vs the rest of the ruling class. Both sides of the L/R and D/R supposed divides have a lot of status quo supporters, because they are on one of the gravy trains. Note that only the far left want to end the war gravy train (so unrealistic), some members of both parties want to end the domestic gravy train (so unrealistic), and only the Libertarins want to end both (horrendously evil people).
Yes, over the river and thru the woods - and off the cliff
"From Bernays to Bernanke, America has been on a pretty good, almost euphoric, 100-year high. But all good things have to die. And bad things too. “We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of,” Said Edward Bernays in 1929. Even more true today. The handful of media companies that control the flow of disinformation and infotainment in America controls and implants the desired message. Putin Bad? Old Glory Good? No problem spinning the desired emotions and agit-prop to people.
"An astute person at Zerohedge.com website posted: “Orwell vs Huxley: Maybe They Both Got It Right, 8,000 hits. Hippo vs Crocodile at the water hole Killing Frenzy, 32 million Hits. Miley Cyrus, Wrecking Ball video, 700,000,000 hits.” Absorb those numbers for a moment and you become almost hopeless. Almost.
"Yet the American media aligned with the American Empire is losing battle-after-battle, to thousands of blogs like Rense, STR, Zerohedge, Infowars and millions of YouTube filmmakers. The MSM is losing skirmish after skirmish, losing the information war, shot by shot. Exactly how the mighty British Empire lost their colonies long ago shot by shot - America will one day lose hers.
Today, those in power are desperate to maintain control of their fiat money system "through media propaganda, an oppressive police presence, and false flags followed by worldwide military invasion/occupation.
“The propagandized people in the West have no idea of the fate toward which their demented governments are driving them,” wrote Paul Craig Roberts recently.
"People from every walk of life and social standing are beginning to ask painful questions: “Is the Cockpit audio from MH17 released yet?” asked commenter Ebworthen, at Zerohedge.com. “Where is that audio and / or transcripts?"
More than two weeks have passed since the New York Times mentioned MH17 in a feature story. "The U.S. government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a Buk anti-aircraft missile," wrote Ron Paul(Ron Paul Slams Media MH17 "War Propaganda")
"The little that we have heard from U.S. intelligence is that it has no evidence that Russia was involved. Yet the war propaganda was successful in convincing the American public that it was all Russia's fault. It's hard to believe that the U.S., with all its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine that precise proof of who did what and when is not available."
The license plate scanning systems have multiplied across the U.S. over the last decade, funded largely by Homeland Security grants. But judges — including one weighing in Friday — have said people don't have the right to know.
In that case, a tech entrepreneur fighting for access to his own files is trying to make the point that people can't find out what kind of information is being collected about them and how it's being used.
"If I'm not being investigated for a crime, there shouldn't be a secret police file on me" that details "where I go, where I shop, where I visit," Michael Robertson, 47, told The Associated Press. "That's crazy, Nazi police-type stuff."
AP Photo: Gregory Bull
A police vehicle driven by San Diego CountyDeputy Sheriff Ben Chassen reads the license plates of cars in a parking lot Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2014, in San Marcos, Calif.
But a San Diego judge Thursday tentatively denied his request. The judge said San Diego's regional planning agency doesn't have to honor the request under California's open records law because the information captured in every scan is part of a law enforcement investigation.
Robertson's attorney said his client, who founded and later sold the MP3.com digital musical service, will appeal if Superior Court Judge Katherine Bacal makes her decision final after hearing arguments Friday.
The decision comes less than a month after another state judge denied a request by the ACLU of Southern California and the Electronic Frontier Foundation for one week of records on all vehicles collected by the Los Angeles Police Department and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.
The systems in use around the U.S. are governed by a patchwork of local laws and regulations that have not standardized how they're used and who has access to the information they collect.
About 7 in 10 law enforcement agencies used license plate scanners in 2012 and an overwhelming majority planned to acquire such systems or expand their use, according to a study by the Police Executive Research Forum, a research and policy group.
Civil liberties advocates say these files need to be open to public scrutiny to prevent government overreach and unconstitutional privacy invasions.
On the other side are government and law enforcement officials who say they're not misusing the systems and that tracking and storing the data can help with criminal investigations, either to incriminate or exonerate a suspect.
"At some point, you have to trust and believe that the agencies that you utilize for law enforcement are doing what's right and what's best for the community, and they're not targeting your community," Los Angeles County Sheriff's Sgt. John Gaw said.
In San Diego's case, records are kept for up to two years, but other agencies keep them five years or more and are limited mainly by server space.
AP Photo: Gregory Bull
San Diego County Deputy Sheriff Ben Chassen looks at a monitor as his vehicle reads the license plates of cars in a parking lot Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2014, in San Marcos, Calif.
"If that information is deleted or purged too quickly, then we lost that, and we can never go back," said Lt. Karen Stubkjaer of the San Diego Sheriff's Department.
In Robertson's case against the San Diego Association of Governments, he was seeking access to a sweeping system that links the San Diego Police Department, San Diego County Sheriff's Department and eight other law enforcement agencies. The sheriff's department alone has made 9.8 million scans since the system was introduced in 2009, Stubkjaer said.
Robertson has no problem with officials using the technology for legitimate purposes like tracking down stolen cars. But he says license plate readers are ripe for abuse, and there's no reason for long-term storage of data on innocent people.
"I want a strong police force," he said. "But I also want my personal freedom."
Neither ruling set legal precedent, but are part of a growing debate.
"License plate readers are part of a larger conversation," said Chuck Wexler, head of the Police Executive Research Forum. "Technology is changing how the police view crime, and it is raising a number of public policy issues: How long do you hold on to this information? And what part of this information should the public have access to?"
A brief comment that some what related. Had occasion to go to the library to check out some legal sources. Found a new paperback version of "Blacks Law Dictionary defining some legal phrases. Afterwards I asked the Librarian what happened to the old hard back one. It was put into the stacks so I got it and for drill I started comparing the books. Much of the info in the old book was not in the new paperback on--some of them critical to the meaning of the phrases.
Some of the deletions gravly changed the meaning of the phrase.
I do not look at this as clerical--in my opinion, based on the readings made, the changes were intentional.
The courts will in afew years, be using these books to make judgements on citizens.
I do not view this as ho-hum thing. It is an assult on the legal system (such as it is) and a wiping out of a history of how our laws and country evolved. this should be brought to a swift end and alot of attorneys asses should be keel hauled. Milestones
milestones, lawyers are the system, funny how many law schools had mock trials when one party was in power and how now they are silent and missing when this current group in DC makes a mockery of DOJ and rule of law-as has been repeated so many times: it is rare to speak truth when your job depends on not speaking out.
"it is rare to speak truth when your job depends on not speaking out."
People are called sheep, accused of being asleep, or thought to be in a state of cognitive dissonance. What you are saying here, the word for it, like the word for the press in the cartoon which is the subject of this thread, is CAPTURED. I am guilty. I try to speak out where I can, but there are limits.
I wonder how many cog dis, sheepish, sleeping folks know better, but are really captured?
...it may have been inside ball with the boy's club; but, there was a sense of humor about it. Even the most confrontational and heretic of statements provoked little more than a mild childing. Looking back You can really parse the fools from the playas..
I never sensed a political bent: it was always about the game of making and managing money.
The college students that are attracted to journalism are nearly 100% liberal, as well as those in thie "business" of reporting the news.
This is not a guess, nor an opinion.
It is a fact that has been well documented over the decades. You can see this for yourself quite easily.
Of course, these "journalists" will tell you they are able to remain objective, and present both sides of an issue like they do with gays, illegals, etc.
And of course they give you an obligatory daily dose of Kardashians, or Dancing with the Stars.
It doesn't matter what the political orientation of the young reporter is - they will report what they're goddamn told to report. Most people can be easily directed with a little bit of carrot and a lot of stick.
Where's all the sheep who don't give a shit?
they'rve reverted to lemmings.
Huntley and Brinkley are spinning in their graves...
I'm no engineer,
but that thing doesn't look flight worthy.
Might make it, a lot of hot air inside.
I always knew this was an Inception.
When does the van hit the water ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_4qc-JYZPo
Left out the Golf bag.
"Where's all the sheep who don't give a shit?"
Spending the EBT at Walmart.
Did someone say "sheep?"
They are right here...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/fox-news-zings-cnn-msnbc-holiday-car...
Ironically they were on CNBC which is now only spinning BS for radical liberals. I'm too young to know them, were they the begining of the end, or the end of a different time. I see that they lasted into the 70's so they may have been the latter.
They were on the air from 1956 - 1970, and were the NBC news anchors for all those years, so they rode the wave when TV was new... Back then we only had 3 channels, 17 hours a day... It was a different era altogether...
I am just old enough to be able to remember the static or test patterns you would wake up to at 4:30am after falling asleep on the couch with the tv on.
"It's ten o'clock. Do you know where your children are?"
Yes, it was a different time. Better now, in some ways - everybody used to believe Walter Cronkite when he said, "And that's the way it is," when it really wasn't.
And just before the test pattern, they showed the flag waving and played The Star-Spangled Banner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkDPvuidzLg
Since the TV went digital in 2010 most TV can now broadcast microwaves to stop free will , and yes they do make you stupid just like the Lilly waves given off by iPhones and most "smart" phones you have to be pritty dumb to have one they are adictive because of the endorphins they make body release into your brain
3/4's of the way to the bottom below the car.
It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop.
I've stopped giving a shit.
Welcome to a large and growing club....
reality is you never cared.
by doin so you let highway for those in charge.
considering things or not dont change anything to the way the world is running.
nowadays you take back with pens what earlier was won by swords.
sad world.
Though I've given up caring for "the sheeple who don't give a shit", I'm still gravely concerned about your punctuation.
Because I said so that's why!
"Hey Wall Street! I think you've got a warp core breach!"
(At the very least you're leaking bullshitism)
All thats missing is his golden parachute.
jeez, ain't that the depressing truth. i can't even keep track of all the things that have gone horribly wrong so far, and all the things that will go horribly wrong by 2016, but yet the unicorn prince will live like a king for the rest of his life.
The reason the MSM is going over the cliff with Barry is because they are tied at the hip by Political Correctness. They dare not tell the truth, they've been making excuses and covering up for him since 2007.
They are much worse than that, they flat out lie to promote the "states" propaganda. Diane Sawyer of ABC for example:
ABC Manipulates Truth to Fit Pro-Israel Bias | Weapons of Mass DistractionIn fact, this cartoon implies incompetance. They aren't stupid, they're corrupt!
who's "him", David R or Jacob R
"the unicorn prince will live like a king for the rest of his life."
It's afterwards that has him worried.
isn't he getting his 70 virgins or some shit like that?
70 virgins for eternity...that means you will spend an eternity with the same woman....70 times...I fail to see how any mathematically able person would see that as a good thing....unless the whole idea of sex was foreign to you...which I suspect it is to these kids from the deep third world. Rape seems to be the only sexual activity they can understand.
Woman?
What makes you think he's into women? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Unless he's Muslim.
You're forgetting the 23 serving boys fresh as pearls, in addition to the 72 virgins. The problem from Obama's standpoint is that you have to be martyred (i.e., killed) to get it.
Otherwise, you just get stuck with the same wife you had on earth.
Ist there an escape clause if she is a tranny?
And how long, exactly, will that be?
Prius don't fly
The ones I pass can't seem to reach 80.
they reach 80, driver just has to beat the ever living shit out of the thing to get it there.
That shit makes me thirsty.
So far, it's all good; they're only in free-fall....nothing to worry about!!
Hope the ground is really hard below
It's funny cause its true....
Suk it up, and enjoy a little Carlin.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEJza_C0fQk
"They don't want citizens capable of critical thinking"
Exactly what they have now.
Nice
This cartoon should enrage actual journalists and spur them to take corrective measures to restore their reputations. Bwaaahhahahahahahahaha....
Listen Spoilsport. How could there be such unsurmountable amount of evidence that the "FREE" people of USSA are such saps, yet those very people just brush it off and say "things are going to change" "soon, very soon").
Stupid.
Flakes don't see the needed restoration. They probably think they are not making their case well enough...both of them in the car
The fall is only bad for those that see it for what it is... it is the sudden stop at the bottom that will cause the rest of the sheep to finally feel the pain.
Where is the road runner and the coyote?
Century of Enslavement: The History of The Federal Reserve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IJeemTQ7Vk
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http://www.corbettreport.com/federalreserve/
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"Part One: The Origins of the Fed
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.” – FDR letter to Colonel Edward House, Nov. 21 1933
All our lives we’ve been told that economics is boring. It’s dull. It’s not worth the time it takes to understand it. And all our lives, we’ve been lied to.
War. Poverty. Revolution. They all hinge on economics. And economics all rests on one key concept: money.
Money. It is the economic water in which we live our lives. We even call it ‘currency'; it flows around us, carries us in its wake. Drowns those who are not careful.
We use it every day in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it, worrying about it, saving it, spending it, pinching it. It defines our social status. It compromises our morals. People are willing to fight, die and kill for it." j.c.
"We use it every day in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it, worrying about it, saving it, spending it, pinching it. It defines our social status. It compromises our morals. People are willing to fight, die and kill for it." Great quote.
Most people do not ever ask the questions: What is money? Where does it come from? These paper tickets and plastic cards don't grow on trees. Somebody made it. Somebody owns the machinery which produces it. So who? I find it amazing that people can live their entire lives chasing a paper ticket and never, ever, ask themselves what it is.
Imagine a deer hunter, who lived or died on the basis of catching a deer, but never bothering to learn the least bit about deer. It makes no sense. It's beyond childish. Children ask questions, and seek answers. It's beyond careless. Even a fool would be aware of the means of his survival.
I like to ask "intelligent" people these questions. What is money? Where does it come from? Those who can be aroused to curiousity eventually discover the trap they were born into. Sadly, most don't know, think they do, and don't want to find out. They just want more.
So ask your children. They are capable of concrete reasoning. They can admit when they don't know something. They have yet to be conditioned. They may yet have a chance.
"I like to ask "intelligent" people these questions. What is money?"
The incredible part is that when I ask very, very educated people, such as lawyers, teachers and those "blessed with PHD's", they have no clue as to what money is.
That is "progress" for you. In the 19th century the meaning of money was well understood. Now in the 21st century the meaning of money is a mystery.
Been trying to get some coverage of local corrupt judge
reporter says editor won't allow it
Yup, not the fed, not wallstreet bankers, not the MIC/perpetual war... irs and benghazi is what the lamestreet media should concentrate on... Ubetcha.
Not a "lapdog," but complicit.
At some point propaganda becomes complicity. At that point they are subject to the same level of justice as will be the actual perpetrators.
An American, not US subject.
"I see guillotines."
Rope is cheaper! It is also more environmentally friendly, so the hippies can back it too!
As long as it's hemp rope. Let us be environmentally sensitive when we hang the politicians.
Dammit kchrisc, this is 'Merica. When we finally get off our asses, we use ropes. A lot more lamp posts than blade makers in this country. Charming thought, though.
MSM represents the interests of the oligarchs who own them. PR for the ruling class.
What you call 'wild-eyed liberal', I call propagandizing for the Gravy Train.
Progressives of the Left do social engineering here at home, with our money. Doesn't work, a very long list of failures and wasted lives of their victim lab rats. But it continues because it puts $ into the pockets of the intelligencia and their political cronies: all of those NGOs, gov programs, universities, ... to be administered.
Progressive of the Right do social engineering worldwide via international diplkomacy with war, with our money. Doesn't work, a very long list of failures and blighted lives of our soldiers and their citizens. But it continues because it puts $ into the pockets of the arms manufacturers and their political cronies.
Forget Left vs Right, D vs R. The only dimension that explains anything important (which the puppet show in the political arena is not) is the 99.99% vs the rest of the ruling class. Both sides of the L/R and D/R supposed divides have a lot of status quo supporters, because they are on one of the gravy trains. Note that only the far left want to end the war gravy train (so unrealistic), some members of both parties want to end the domestic gravy train (so unrealistic), and only the Libertarins want to end both (horrendously evil people).
I see skies of blue,
And clouds of white.
The bright blessed day,
The dark sacred night.
And I think to myself,
What a wonderful world.
An old Schmo song--amoung others. Old Jazz buff. Milestones
Pssst... it was written by.... a Jew.
Spoiled it for ya?
Yes, over the river and thru the woods - and off the cliff
"From Bernays to Bernanke, America has been on a pretty good, almost euphoric, 100-year high. But all good things have to die. And bad things too. “We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of,” Said Edward Bernays in 1929. Even more true today. The handful of media companies that control the flow of disinformation and infotainment in America controls and implants the desired message. Putin Bad? Old Glory Good? No problem spinning the desired emotions and agit-prop to people.
"An astute person at Zerohedge.com website posted: “Orwell vs Huxley: Maybe They Both Got It Right, 8,000 hits. Hippo vs Crocodile at the water hole Killing Frenzy, 32 million Hits. Miley Cyrus, Wrecking Ball video, 700,000,000 hits.” Absorb those numbers for a moment and you become almost hopeless. Almost.
"Yet the American media aligned with the American Empire is losing battle-after-battle, to thousands of blogs like Rense, STR, Zerohedge, Infowars and millions of YouTube filmmakers. The MSM is losing skirmish after skirmish, losing the information war, shot by shot. Exactly how the mighty British Empire lost their colonies long ago shot by shot - America will one day lose hers.
Today, those in power are desperate to maintain control of their fiat money system "through media propaganda, an oppressive police presence, and false flags followed by worldwide military invasion/occupation.
“The propagandized people in the West have no idea of the fate toward which their demented governments are driving them,” wrote Paul Craig Roberts recently.
"People from every walk of life and social standing are beginning to ask painful questions: “Is the Cockpit audio from MH17 released yet?” asked commenter Ebworthen, at Zerohedge.com. “Where is that audio and / or transcripts?"
More than two weeks have passed since the New York Times mentioned MH17 in a feature story. "The U.S. government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a Buk anti-aircraft missile," wrote Ron Paul (Ron Paul Slams Media MH17 "War Propaganda")
"The little that we have heard from U.S. intelligence is that it has no evidence that Russia was involved. Yet the war propaganda was successful in convincing the American public that it was all Russia's fault. It's hard to believe that the U.S., with all its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine that precise proof of who did what and when is not available."
"
The American Media Is The Enemy Of The American PeopleSignal to noise ratio multiplied by cognitive dissonance ingrained by lifelong normalization.
AKA "Modern Life."
It only hurts when you hit the ground.
Then we must be bouncing because it has been hurting for decades. So many lives ruined or destroyed, millions and millions.
Things were going fine for those first 99 feet down. It was only at the end of the last foot where things got really bad.
Witnesses from nearby buildings apparently told police they saw Obama and a Dog having sex in the passenger seat of their car, according to TMZ.
Huge license plate scanner networks track drivers AP Photo: Gregory Bull
Michael Robertson, a libertarian Internet entrepreneur best known for creating MP3.com, stands for a portrait Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2014, in San Diego.
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The license plate scanning systems have multiplied across the U.S. over the last decade, funded largely by Homeland Security grants. But judges — including one weighing in Friday — have said people don't have the right to know.
In that case, a tech entrepreneur fighting for access to his own files is trying to make the point that people can't find out what kind of information is being collected about them and how it's being used.
"If I'm not being investigated for a crime, there shouldn't be a secret police file on me" that details "where I go, where I shop, where I visit," Michael Robertson, 47, told The Associated Press. "That's crazy, Nazi police-type stuff."
AP Photo: Gregory Bull
A police vehicle driven by San Diego County Deputy Sheriff Ben Chassen reads the license plates of cars in a parking lot Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2014, in San Marcos, Calif.
But a San Diego judge Thursday tentatively denied his request. The judge said San Diego's regional planning agency doesn't have to honor the request under California's open records law because the information captured in every scan is part of a law enforcement investigation.
Robertson's attorney said his client, who founded and later sold the MP3.com digital musical service, will appeal if Superior Court Judge Katherine Bacal makes her decision final after hearing arguments Friday.
The decision comes less than a month after another state judge denied a request by the ACLU of Southern California and the Electronic Frontier Foundation for one week of records on all vehicles collected by the Los Angeles Police Department and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.
The systems in use around the U.S. are governed by a patchwork of local laws and regulations that have not standardized how they're used and who has access to the information they collect.
About 7 in 10 law enforcement agencies used license plate scanners in 2012 and an overwhelming majority planned to acquire such systems or expand their use, according to a study by the Police Executive Research Forum, a research and policy group.
Civil liberties advocates say these files need to be open to public scrutiny to prevent government overreach and unconstitutional privacy invasions.
On the other side are government and law enforcement officials who say they're not misusing the systems and that tracking and storing the data can help with criminal investigations, either to incriminate or exonerate a suspect.
"At some point, you have to trust and believe that the agencies that you utilize for law enforcement are doing what's right and what's best for the community, and they're not targeting your community," Los Angeles County Sheriff's Sgt. John Gaw said.
In San Diego's case, records are kept for up to two years, but other agencies keep them five years or more and are limited mainly by server space.
AP Photo: Gregory Bull
San Diego County Deputy Sheriff Ben Chassen looks at a monitor as his vehicle reads the license plates of cars in a parking lot Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2014, in San Marcos, Calif.
"If that information is deleted or purged too quickly, then we lost that, and we can never go back," said Lt. Karen Stubkjaer of the San Diego Sheriff's Department.
In Robertson's case against the San Diego Association of Governments, he was seeking access to a sweeping system that links the San Diego Police Department, San Diego County Sheriff's Department and eight other law enforcement agencies. The sheriff's department alone has made 9.8 million scans since the system was introduced in 2009, Stubkjaer said.
Robertson has no problem with officials using the technology for legitimate purposes like tracking down stolen cars. But he says license plate readers are ripe for abuse, and there's no reason for long-term storage of data on innocent people.
"I want a strong police force," he said. "But I also want my personal freedom."
Neither ruling set legal precedent, but are part of a growing debate.
"License plate readers are part of a larger conversation," said Chuck Wexler, head of the Police Executive Research Forum. "Technology is changing how the police view crime, and it is raising a number of public policy issues: How long do you hold on to this information? And what part of this information should the public have access to?"
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A brief comment that some what related. Had occasion to go to the library to check out some legal sources. Found a new paperback version of "Blacks Law Dictionary defining some legal phrases. Afterwards I asked the Librarian what happened to the old hard back one. It was put into the stacks so I got it and for drill I started comparing the books. Much of the info in the old book was not in the new paperback on--some of them critical to the meaning of the phrases.
Some of the deletions gravly changed the meaning of the phrase.
I do not look at this as clerical--in my opinion, based on the readings made, the changes were intentional.
The courts will in afew years, be using these books to make judgements on citizens.
I do not view this as ho-hum thing. It is an assult on the legal system (such as it is) and a wiping out of a history of how our laws and country evolved. this should be brought to a swift end and alot of attorneys asses should be keel hauled. Milestones
Newspeak
milestones, lawyers are the system, funny how many law schools had mock trials when one party was in power and how now they are silent and missing when this current group in DC makes a mockery of DOJ and rule of law-as has been repeated so many times: it is rare to speak truth when your job depends on not speaking out.
"it is rare to speak truth when your job depends on not speaking out."
People are called sheep, accused of being asleep, or thought to be in a state of cognitive dissonance. What you are saying here, the word for it, like the word for the press in the cartoon which is the subject of this thread, is CAPTURED. I am guilty. I try to speak out where I can, but there are limits.
I wonder how many cog dis, sheepish, sleeping folks know better, but are really captured?
good god damned cartoon. captures the essence of the thing
Am I the only one who misses Louis Rukeyser?
Here is a doozy of a mashup:
Wall St. Week clip w/ guests Greenspan, Forbes, Perot, Friedman, and more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTSXCkSJugY
...it may have been inside ball with the boy's club; but, there was a sense of humor about it. Even the most confrontational and heretic of statements provoked little more than a mild childing. Looking back You can really parse the fools from the playas..
I never sensed a political bent: it was always about the game of making and managing money.
Louis "The Mummy" Rukeyser was always a treat to watch. Loved that nickname for him.
This is news how?
All parasitic relationships come to an end as do the parasites themselves.
Barry has had his ride and the four horsemen of the apocalypse will soon catch up with him and his masters.
Protocols of the elders of Zion.!!
They try to debunk it, but its plain as days as its unfolding before our eyes, but buried in view to the populace serfs!
I see Thelma and Louise.
"All parasitic relationships come to an end as do the parasites themselves."
More like maggots --
Not 100% sure about this - but
I don't think maggots are parasites - since the "host" is already dead.
Shakespeare had it wrong, albeit, maybe he couldn't predict the rise of State media like the USA has today.
First we kill all the Media.
Without a free press America is doomed to collapse.
It's simple really.
The college students that are attracted to journalism are nearly 100% liberal, as well as those in thie "business" of reporting the news.
This is not a guess, nor an opinion.
It is a fact that has been well documented over the decades. You can see this for yourself quite easily.
Of course, these "journalists" will tell you they are able to remain objective, and present both sides of an issue like they do with gays, illegals, etc.
And of course they give you an obligatory daily dose of Kardashians, or Dancing with the Stars.
See you at HuffPo.
It doesn't matter what the political orientation of the young reporter is - they will report what they're goddamn told to report. Most people can be easily directed with a little bit of carrot and a lot of stick.