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Fear And Loathing In Scotland – Why The "NO"s Won & Lessons Learned From The Vote
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Yesterday morning, as I sat down for my ritualistic dose of caffeine and began to write, I noticed that I had auspiciously planted myself in front of two older women from the UK. One was from Scotland, the other from somewhere else in the United Kingdom with an accent I couldn’t quite place. The non-Scottish woman asked her friend for thoughts on the independence referendum. The Scottish woman replied that she would have voted “YES,” but that her friends were all voting “NO.” She said that “they were afraid.”
Upon overhearing this, I felt a pit form in my stomach. Almost all of the enthusiasm that I had for the day was immediately drained. Not only was I excited to see a historically defiant and proud people vote for independence, but yesterday marked the launch of the Contributor section of Liberty Blitzkrieg. It was a big day for me, yet all of a sudden it was as if the atmosphere suddenly evaporated and despair filled the air. Although no results had yet been reported, I knew the result. It was going to be NO.
I’m pretty sure I have absolutely zero Scottish blood in me, but I felt a strong sense of pride and camaraderie with the rebellious northerners. They had a chance to really kickstart a peaceful process of political decentralization that would spread like brushfire across the world. From Caledonia to Catalonia. From Quebec to these United States. It would have been an unstoppable force. It would be humanity proudly waving a flag of liberty and saying we can be fully integrated within the world at large without being ruled from a centralized power far from where we live. This is my dream and vision for the future and I was hopeful the Scots could lead the way. Unfortunately, this did not happen.
In the wake of the results, I have witnessed a great deal of bitterness and anger about the vote. While I can relate to such sentiments, I try to take a much more constructive and optimistic approach to the future. First and foremost, we should all be proud that the vote happened at all. So many people within the so-called “liberty movement” are discouragingly extreme pessimists. While proclaiming to fight for liberty, many of them seem to think we are powerless in the face of the powerful. To them, the independence referendum is proof that nothing can ever be changed. I completely disagree with this perspective.
The vote did happen, and the people of Scotland were given a choice. They said NO. I have always maintained that my vision of the future is not a world homogeneously looking like the type of community I personally want to live in, but rather a planet consisting of an almost infinite variety of different, autonomous, interacting, and prosperous communities. There will be so many choices, and such freedom of movement, that pretty much anyone of any disposition can find a place they feel they fit in and can call home. Nobody is ever subject to a life sentence within a particular political structure they had no role in creating just because they happened to be born there.
So that’s my vision, but how are we supposed to get there? Well for one thing, via powerful political movements such as the ones the Scots just pulled off. As a result of this movement, the people of Scotland were given a very important choice. A choice that 99.9% of the humans who have ever lived on planet earth have never had. This in itself is an important achievement. If the Scots voted NO, who am I or anyone else to say they made the right or wrong decision? They were given a real choice, a vote that actually mattered for once, and for that we should be encouraged. As I noted on Twitter yesterday:
No matter the outcome, the vote in Scotland matters. A lot. We need more votes and referendums that actually matter in the U.S. as well.
— Michael Krieger (@LibertyBlitz) September 18, 2014
Although I specifically mentioned the U.S., the above sentiment applies to the entire world. People everywhere should frequently hold direct referendums on specific issues that matter to them. The idea of representative democracy, in which we select some captured politician who will merely vote along the lines of special interests is outdated, immoral, childish and feudal. Recall the Princeton study that showed the U.S. is an oligarchy where the will of the people have zero effect on policy. So clearly we already know the status quo is not working for the vast majority of people.
So with that big picture vision out of the way, are there any positives those who favor decentralization can take from Scotland’s independence referendum other than the fact dedicated people actually made it happen? Yes, I believe there are many important takeaways, several of which are instructive going forward.
First, there’s the fact that fear was a driving force behind the NO voters. Fear is something I spent a lot of time addressing in posts several years ago. Fear is necessary in a very small number of scenarios we face as humans, but it is unfortunately applied in myriad situations where it makes our situations worse, not better. Fear is what allows despots to take and retain power. Fear is what keeps you from living life and achieving your goals. Fear is paralyzing. Fear makes a people reject their own independence.
Recall that the older lady yesterday (I would guess she was in her 70s) stated that her friends were all voting NO because they were “afraid.” This line took an increased level of significance for me later in the day as I was reading a lengthly article in the UK Telegraph and came across the following quote:
So with that in mind, it’s important to ask, who was fearful and why?
With the results now finalized, we have some definitive answers to this question. The post referendum polling done by Lord Ashcroft has been going around Twitter this morning, and the results are simply incredible. See below:
The NO vote was entirely secured by overwhelming support from those aged above 55. In fact, the “better together” camp failed to win any of the age groups below 55 years of age. For the 65+ crowd it was simply a blowout. 73% of them voted NO. So in a nutshell, old people filled with fear blocked independence. Similarly, fearful old people bailed out the banks in the U.S. several years ago, putting a nail in the coffin of the middle class and the youth generally. See what I am getting at here?
What we now know for certain is that old people in positions of wealth and power, and the ability to frighten others of their generation, is proving to be the most significant obstacle to global change. For those of us who wish to see paradigm shifting changes, this is a very positive realization. For starters, the older generation will gradually fade away, and the promises made to them via pensions will not be on the table for younger generations. Pensions were a huge issue for the 65+ crowd when it came down to their voting decisions. The BBC noted that:
A recent BBC poll found that pensions came second in a list of the 10 things that mattered most to voters – only the economy was deemed more important.
The economy and pensions. So basically old people on the way out felt like they had a reasonable handle on what to expect under the current regime, and didn’t want to rock the boat. It’s really as simple as that.
Going forward, the older generation problem will naturally resolve itself. So we know that the youth will be deciding the future. Thus, the real question becomes, what will influence the youth?
As a result of the horrific and self-interested choices of older generations, the youth will be left with a much more difficult and uncertain future. This is already happening, but it will worsen considerably following the next severe economic decline, likely to start in late 2015.
My biggest concern is that fear will be used to drive the passions of the youth, rather than constructive, positive influences. We know that fear is an extremely powerful driver, and it more often than not leads to disastrous decision making. There is no doubt that the youth will decide the future, but will their passions be driven by negative emotions like fear, or positive sentiments like creativity, compassion and community? Only time will tell, but its up to us to be aware of this dynamic, understand exactly what is at stake, and attempt influence the outcome as positively as possible.
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Your viewpoint of the world is as nieve and childish as hippies who lived in communes in the 60s.
His very premise is inaccurate. When today's youngin's turn old, they'll be just as much for the status quo as their elders today, for it is then that they rely most heavily upon the governmental social infrastructure...
The "useless eaters" want to keep eating uselessly
This, I actually clicked on the article because of the inanity of that comment.
+1
The good news for the YES side is that when the eventual massive cuts to the National Health program and pensions come... the problem with the over 55 (NO) demographic will take care of itself.
It was a great excercise in DEMOCRACY all the same... you know... excluding the fear and fraud and soon to be broken promises...
Women will see to it that they are never free.
Gore Vidal interviewed in 1998 on Scottish (and other) independence, he is absolutely correct but as has been stated above: when in Stornoway, Shetlands and other "back of beyonds" which are stlll petrified of committing lese majeste "injured majesty" who you gonna call? Certainly not 'Windsor Busters'.
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/113376-gore-vidal-the-scottish-parliament-ca...
I agree with Vidal.
Scots voted No. This tells you how bad haggis must be compared to even British food.
The lesson, is that the 'yes' supporters needed to have an economic plan sufficient to overcome the fear of uncertainty. That includes securing a plan for pensioners and soon to be retirees. Without that, fear will win. I understand that the pensions are not realistic, but that generation does not.
granted, but i think you're overlooking the interim period, during which things could irreversibly change. a huge chunk of 65+ voters are going to be dead in 5-10 years. the voting youth that overwhelmingly went for "no" aren't themselves going to be 65+ and dependent for a very long time, perhaps 30-40 years.
MeBizarro,
If you're going to use long words like naive at least learn how to spell them.
DavidC
The whole subject is unbearable; I can't revist it any more. I'll have to just forget about it.
Hell NO.
That was merely Round One. When the shitstorm hits Round Two will begin...
I recommend you take a short time to learn this lesson about people and politics. Particularly if you happen to believe that there are harder times coming.
I wish you wouldn't "just forget about it". Rather, the Takeaway or Lessons Learned (IMHO) is:
TPTB will use FUDGE* to keep their power. They are "FUDGE Packers".
* FUDGE: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Greed, Envy. The Primal emotions of the dumb, lazy, scared and weak.
Every country has them (the dumb, lazy, scared and weak). Tons of them. And TPTB know this. They are masters disciples of "The Prince" (by Machiavelli), "The Art of War" (Sun Tzu) and of Edward Bernays and his timeless Marketing and PR principles. Goebbels and Hitler were devout disciples of Bernays also, as are the Neo/Zio-Cons.
p.s. FWIW, Kirk is a Disciple of the Principles of these Grand Masters also, but I lack psycho or sociopathic tendencies, alas. Or I'd have made different life choices.
+100
I have nothing to add to this, except that everyone should reread Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" and pay particular attention to Professor Norman Hoffman's monologue.
RIP Mr. Crichton
RIP Truth
Boomers with nice pensions voted no. Status quo pensions. So the 'working force' will have to pay up for a few more years.
quite a few
Fear of getting off the government teat.
As the young get older and taste the free stuff, their votes might change.
The wish for independence in Scotland and elsewhere is really a wish for: sound money, no central banks, jail for corrupt bankers and corporate parasites, a livable wage, property rights, and basic individual rights dating back to the Magna Carta that are being stripped away by lawyers, HR departments, cronyism, and government corruption.
9 of 10 people give no shit about sound money, central banks, corporate business, HR departments. The masses rather want to be part of the government corruption to get free money and a bit of power.
Damn right! Once you made it though the system, you are its product and its defender, and as the population ages everywhere, this will be the trend - preservation of the old corrupt model at all cost at the expense of younger generations.
That's how revolutions start. You don't see old people picking up guns to defend their rights. You see young people hungry for real change... or at least you did in the past when youngsters were allowed to grow up.
What we have today is a culture of prolongued adolescence, which is very convenient for the ruling class.
True Bioscale and Julia S.
Most people don't realize what they truly want or need, and dependency and asking for their crumbs is easier than fighting tyranny.
Your analysis is indisputable in my opinion.
I had a good chuckle when a friend told me recently how much worse things got at work after the introduction of an HR department there.
He goes (chuckle)....
What the hell? I thought an HR department was there for the workers!
And then I laughed. Oh so heartily.
Poor swayback - the HR department exists for the owners to more easily enforce their will upon you, and with the added benefit of you no longer go directly to THEM with grievances!
I hope the lot of them are smart enough to screw their employer with proof that their timecards are adjusted downward to 8 hours every single day no matter what they work - and they are hourly employees. My guess is that when TSHTF on that, the owners can the HR lady and find a new one.
The analysis may be accurate, but as I've posted elsewhere, it's easy for a minority to make a grab for resources that will let them go on a spending spree at the expense of the rest of the UK.
SNP was led by a Marxist. Fear of the over 55's was not without good reason.
Yup, Marxism or Marxism was the choice.
the yes vote was supported by the socialist SNP, the socialist Scottish Green Party, the Scottish Sociallist Party and every other socialist party in Scotland, but the most of the morons on this site watched Braveheart too many times and think the vote was for FREEEDUMB, smaller gov't etc etc you know all the things socialists oppose.
that may be true, but if the 65+ "no" voters will virtually all be dead after about 15-20 years, then SNP will get its way anyway. why not let them have it now? if it's marxist-style socialism that they're going to implement, that too will fail within 15-20 years. only in this scenario, there's oldsters around to remind them how wrong they are, or even better, oldsters with a lot of money still alive, and with the motivation to flee the country, taking it elsewhere. if this thing is allowed to simmer, that money will first go to younger people who are more amenable to national socialism (and to taxes, direct to the state).
it will break the SNP's political spine for decades to get exactly what they want. just look at the hole where the USSR used to be.
Young people become old people. As long as the population at large is aging, the No vote will always win.
I agree. The utopianism in this article is amazing. Heaven on earth is impossible. Life is just a slog until you die - always was, always will be. And it's not such a bad thing.
The Gen X'ers, who are likely the majority of Zero Hedge posters and the majority of libertarians, will be nearing retirement and feeling weaker and more frightened in another decade or so, and they'll become much less radical. As will the millennials coming up behind them in a few more decades.
The Boomers were revolutionary in their younger days. That changed as they aged. We'll have an aging population for many decades, maybe even the rest of this century, so the time for radical change is over.
Third world countries with very young populations will be the centers of revolutionary struggle in this century.
@Silenus
I agree with your post.
With human psychology, one would think it would be the other way around. The young would have fear because they have a long life ahead of them; the old would be more radical because they are near the sunset and have nothing left to lose.
Instead the young have no jobs, student loan debt, priced out of the housing market, no future, so revolution is their solution. The old have entitlement programmes and pensions and they don't want to lose it.
My view is that there is and will be a huge difference in the prospects for the young when they reach the age of the current crop of "elderly" and the social programs they enjoy. I believe that the surplusses that globalization initially provided on the supply side for Western developed countries will and are being negated on the demand side as previously undeveloped countries become a drag on global resources.
Western developed countries due to social and political structure will not only be deprived of surplus but will be negative as elites begin exporting energy from the West to the East.
All of this generational thing has been and will be anticipated. It'd called demographics.
Some are better at demographic analysis than others.
For example, the Fourth Turning.
Not to say they are right, but they have seemed to get the trends right.
At least they are honest, as opposed to the gubmint, which controls all that is debt...
"The Boomers were revolutionary in their younger days. That changed as they aged."
Yes this is the core of the problem!!!
- i know people on the streets in 60's against the VN war and they know - without a doubt - those kids ended the War NOT the military nor the politicians - today they are approaching 65 and not willing to recognize they need to return to the spring of 1970 - for their own kids -
today they are not at risk in terms of politics on the job and most are financially well off - yet they have not acted against this sick system in DC - as they did in the 60's
they are the absolute key to changing the system - Scotland is a wake up call to the power of FEAR - we need to assure these people they will be taken care of and move to end this demonic system of USA world wide chaos, murder and looting
"we need to assure these people they will be taken care of and move to end this demonic system of USA world wide chaos, murder and looting"
I disagree. I think Boomers of the 60's-70's need to have their conscience awoken anew.
What will do it? I know what worked for me. I started reading diverse sources of information and started making up my own mind.
In many ways the 60's activists, many of them, were simply along for a popular ride. Was a social experience not necessarily one of conviction. Needs now to become one of conviction.
Why would Boomers be afraid? It is all a house of cards coming down anyway. So there is really no way to reassure anyone of the future. But the future can be created by different forces; not the ones in power currently.
That is what I dearly wished for in Scotland.
What got the boomers going in the Vietnam era was the draft. When your butts on the line it gets your full attention. Today "volunteers" go and die for the man. Most (boomers) have no problem with that.
From a boomer...
becasue if you are conservative at 20, you have no heart
if you are liberal at 40, you have no brain.
"Independence" in the current context of a even larger 19th century British banking union (see Euro) means your country is turned into a extreme Maosit nightmare of overproduction.
http://mercury.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834518c6c69e201053723dc9a970b-800wi
Exhibit A
Ireland post 1979.................
Ebenezer euro Scrooge must save to get a even greater yield.....however the resources will get burned regardless.
UK = Eighth Circle (Fraud)
Euroland = Ninth Circle (Treachery)
Can't help but think that if all the potential Yes votes hadn't already given up and moved from Scotland to become residents/citizens elsewhere on the globe (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA), the results would have been different.
And the brain drain accelerates........ Watch future Scottish emigration figures. All that are left already are the crud at the bottom.
Yes sheep shagging in the Highlands would be at a record high.
It was Scotland's last chance to preserve their youth.
England ended.
Guys with 20 and 30 years do not lend money to provide older.
Another thing, broke the military hierarchy, any lieutenant'll have to ask the guy who is on your side is Scottish, and whether you are for or against independence before taking a shot.
This is a very serious thing.
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Greed and stupidity , coupledwith old men's conservatism , has derisked the market and removed the spring driving wealth creation .
Grasping all , they lost all .
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2012/06/wealth-and-fluctuation-andre-wille...
for the mechanism .
I have several friends who live in Scotland who are strident independents but voted no for two reasons:
1. The SNP wanted to keep the British pound which would never make Scotland truly independent. They would be subject to the economic repercussions of the policies of the Bank of England.
2. The SNP could not effectively rebut the economic arguments of the NO side which only served to enhance the fear factor.
The SNP were obvious corporatists much like FF in Ireland.
They wish to "trade" (see export a vast surplus of real goods) in return for tokens.
You can't argue that Scotland is lucky.
Its a nation corrupted by scarce money since the middle ages.......but they have yet to visit the 9th circle in this century.
What you have are several friends in Scotland who are sheep that bleat and baaa about independence and then totally bottled out as soon as reality showed up and offered it to them. I'd take anything they say with more than a pinch of salt, particularly if it means them being inconvenienced.
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For younger generations to have faith instead of fear, they need a better vision. The idea of working until your 68 or 70 and then you can start living your life is a non-starter for todays youth. All they see on the horizon is years of debt servitude. Why would we expect them to embrace that?
The "No" vote won because the "Yes" vote camp did what all politicians do: promise free or better shit now and explain the details later. Like CURRENCY (which is the ONLY thing that matters). Like EU or not to EU. Etc. Etc. Etc. On top of that, Scottish politicians (like their English cousins) are known for being notoriously corrupt. Not exactly a trustworthy bunch to keep payments flowing to the unwashed masses.
The Scots like their socialism. I mean they REALLY REALLY like it. And with so many people on the dole and such, this requires a firm plan if a transfer of power does occur, lest said dole and other payments become interrupted, with all manner of whaling and gnashing of teeth. If this describes you...how would you have voted? "Freedom" in exchange for the possibility of not getting paid? I don't think so......
This vote was entirely predictable. And was never in doubt.
EVER.
This entire episode was a sham. A lot of hype was media-induced to get ratings.
The big, epic "vote" went out with a whimper. The vote wasn't even close, and the only reason it was even this close is because they literally let children (yes, children) vote. Kids who think their dicks are only for pissing, hope and change and assorted other bullshit. Take those out and you truly have a landslide.
Once those kids grow up and get their just-above-subsistence socialism....they will be beholden to the status quo as well.
This is socialism 101. Learn it. Know it. Live it.
No. You like most of the No supporters misunderstood what the purpose of the referendum was. It was NOT to define the details of how the world would be afterwords. What the fuck would have been the point of that? It's no fucking different than Westminster.
No. The purpose was to put the power to create that future into your hands. YOU as a scottish citizen were supposed to decide the details, but no they bottled it, can't stand on their own two feet and accept some responsibility.
A fundamental difference between people and sheeple, is that people create their own futures. Sheeple bleat and baaa and do exactly what they are told to do.
There were a series of studies done by Yale university on obedience to authority figures (The Milgram experiments). The results indicate that about 65% of the population (everywhere) will go ahead and kill people if told to do so by an "authority figure". That's your sheeple right there.
The Scots cannot control their future without controlling their currency. That was not spelled out, nor was a viable, realistic alternative. If there was, it would have been put forth.
THERE IS NO FREEDOM WITHOUT CONTROLLING YOUR OWN CURRENCY.
Sheeple vote for nebulous SHIT. Like "hope and change" for example.
I simply cannot believe their are wankers out there who are intelligent enough to read this blog and yet so stupid as to not grasp that simple, fundamental, eternal concept.
You do know that Salmond did have a plan and it involved joining the EU as a new member country they would then automatically lose control of the oil fields, fisheries, immigration policy but would have the EURO as a currency that benefits only the Germans. Ask the Irish how that has worked out for them.
The young have other ways of voting.
In addition to being a 53 y.o. pro-Israel Raycist punk, I am a member of the board of directors (and treasurer) of a 742 unit condo building in Chicago. Mostly populted by wheeeezing geezers who need the walls to support themselves when they toddle thru the halls. Talk about people who are afraid of anything and everything its them, but the reality is, they were always that way, its just more magnified now.
Scotland the Brave fearful.
I asked Google how many sheep there were in Scotland.
It gave me the population statistics back.
(Channeling Wiliam Wallace or Mel Gibson) F R E E E D O M M M M !!!
p.s. - but not today...
"People everywhere should frequently hold direct referendums on specific issues that matter to them. "
Absolutely, but that's called direct democracy, and you'll have trouble selling that idea to 'Murikans, who are still parroting the drivel of the slave-owning, people-hating Founding schmucks, you know, the "democracy is mob rule"/"tyranny of the majority" insane statements they think are Gospel or something.
Works a treat in Switzerland.
Real mature (eye roll)
Typical old people, always looking out for themselves even though death is around the corner, screw the next generation, even though you only have say 8 years to live left anyway . . . better to sacrifice 50 years+ of life for the young, to secure say 5 years of comfort for the elderly. . . genius methodology there.
The next time this vote comes up, it will be over-whelming support for independence as the cowards finally kick the bucket.
Still think atleast 5% of the votes were fraudulant No's.
"The next time this vote comes up, it will be over-whelming support for independence as the cowards finally kick the bucket."
Wrong. Next time it comes up we'll see a new intake of oldies voting No. It may even be many of the younger ones who voted Yes yesterday.
I hope you're wrong. With Scotland still attached, England will never get out of the EU.
Well, the future can never be predicted with any accuracy. But it is a well known factum that older people (and many women) tend to support the status quo to avoid the fear and risks of disruption and change in their later years (or lives).
That is why I say that many of those who voted Yes last week will drift towards No when they get older and the vote comes up again (who knows when that will be?).
This is life. This is why revolutions are overwhelmingly carried out by the young. They have their lives ahead of them and have nothing to lose whereas older people do.
This whole feature of the human psyche partly explains why the British system of government only gets tweaked and adjusted over decades/centuries to the point where it resembles a Heath Robinson contraption. It is never subjected to a major overhaul which it most certainly needs.
I trust sir that you are not old. I am middle aged my self but i have a far higher regard for my parents generation than i do for the young of today. They were not pampered and spoilt to the extent that the youth/young adults have been today. Your comments about them being "cowards" shows a childish nature in your comments.Just because the vote went against your wishes stop throwing a temper tantrum. Perhaps when you are their age you may look at life with a different perspective.
Also show me the proof for the comment of the 5% voting fraud. If it is just your opinion i call bullshit. The video that Zero Hedge put up yesterday showed absolutely nothing and was sensationalistic crap. As i said yesterday Zero Hedge is becoming as irrelevant as CNBC/CNN/BBC.
The NO's lost the vote but stole the election
Welcome to America across the pond
Where Yes X's in the No pile are the hanging chads of Scotland
You are aware that the SNP are the ones who were doing the ballot rigging they are notorious for it.
Good, we'll just turn it over to the yoot to control. Eh?
#Imyoungandscroodmyselfbybeingstoopidandunworthyofmyplaceintheworld
handouts are life bitchez
A vote split between the payers and the receivers. Reminds me of the "freedom/don't touch my Medicare" crowd.
I think jbyeats pretty much nailed it here: SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE : IT CANNOT HAPPEN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e12hmjPFiJs
"Democrazy", "humanism" and so called "equality" simply lead to disaster. Hare Krishna.
Next stop is Spain. Everyone talking about Catalonia but what about the Basque region. The GOV`t in Spain will never let a referendum take place there or the dominoes will definitely start toppling.
Those young yes voters will get old and also vote no. No one wants the rules changed when your end is near.
The "No" vote won because the election/referendum was fixed! I read about on Zero Hedge for forksake . .
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-19/was-scottish-vote-rigging-caught-tape
The article here is just to continue the old versus young meme. It comes around to often as of recent. I dont believe this post -referendum poll any more than i believed the pre-referendum polls.
When the pension/welfare system fails, declaring independence will be easy peasy.
Except when you get to that point Scotland will be totally effed as well so no one gets a pension no matter independent or not.
What I fail to understand -
HOW did the folks in Stirling district, home of Stirling Bridge, scene of Braveheart battle, FAIL to pass a YES vote for Independence?
THe oldsters there should just move to some penal colony somewhere.
Or better yet, move to that "Cradle of Liberty" Boston, where the locals "Sheltered in Place," allowed armed house-to-house searches without a warrant, and swallowed whole the entire Boston Marathon BS.
Bravo Scotland for the 45 % YES.
Because Alex Salmond is a total fucking maggot cunt.
Whaed vote fir thon shite?
Like Scotty once said to Spock, "It was a good try". Wait, that was a success story.
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it defends itself by sticking its head in the sand
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So in the next election, SNP get a complete majority, and demand a new referendum?
Who can say they are not entitled to one?
Ideas of independence are by no meants dead and buried.
The yes vote happened to forget to write a proper manifesto to get out of Europe, dump the Pound sterling, and reduce the size of government. They forgot to tell the older voters that UK cannot afford to pay them their pensions, the money was never there to begin with. The true fear is the status quo, for it cannot deliver.
Kinda stupid to vote NO because of the currency. A seperate nation can do whatever they want. It speaks to the fear of looseing the socialism, not getting paid. And in that they made a point, and the pensioners understood the marxist mess that would have ensued. A weak scottish pound or dollar or whatever would mean those pensions would be buying wildly inflated goods. This vote was all about keeping the socialism in place. Period.
Our hidden rulers understand that Toxic Injury captures the public and produces anxiety, depression and a blind allegiance to the establishment.
As toxins build up in the body in older people this anxiety and fear are far more pronounced. People over 60 have little courage or independent thinking left as they are litterly running scared seeking help from their toxic anxiety, fear and depression.
Because of this Toxic Injury they will invariably choose the perceived "safe haven" of the establishment and it's rigid party line defining our supposed limited potential.
Our hidden Jesuit rulers through their Freemason and Zionist agents have been manipulating the public through anxiety and fear for centuries.
The public is duped into thinking that GMO food, vaccines, fluoride and poison-based agriculture among many others are benefitting them when it's all setting up their capture through Toxic Injury.
It's no accident that most of Libertarian Ron Paul's supporters are young, reletively healthier and far less toxic, courageous thinkers. I also noticed that the elderly reject medical cannabis as too risky when they would benefit the most from it's safe, anxiety-relieving effects.
Fortunately when TSHTF the toxic elderly, as obstacles to reform, are going to die off in droves as they are going to literally worry themselves to death due to disruptions in their food and medicine.
They won't consider taking powerful, natural and safe detoxing remedies that remove the toxins producing their fear and anxiety.
It takes courage to research and take responsibility for one's own health, fire their corrupt monopoly-medicine doctor, take the bull by the horns and pull their ass out of the fire.
See neurosurgeon Dr Russell Blaylock's expose on this poisoning agenda by our hidden rulers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB3xcN_eoPo
See Eric Jon Phelps - The hidden Jesuit power that rules us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEEZUU1kDzU
"The vote did happen, and the people of Scotland were given a choice. They said NO."
They were given a choice because they were expected to say no. Had sentiment been toward independence from the beginning, there would have been no vote allowed. When suddenly yes moved ahead, UK threats, begging and promising suddenly materialized. They gave Scotland a choice, as long as the choice was going to be no.
Now that the vote has been held, Cameron says there will be no do over, as quite simply, next time YES might win.
This same inane argument is made that if only the old white men in the USA would die, then the country would become more progressive. No, then the young non-whites will be old-non-whites and be conservative. You guys REALLY over paid for your ''educations"...
maybe but you forgot one angle : that currently +55 are the baby boomer. they take (way) too much space, they represent an abnormally high %age of the population;
once those boomers are all dead next gens of old people will be less important (in term of %age of population) and so maybe the young will decide + the next old gen are so really fed up with those hypocrite baby boomer herd of selfish & brainwashed sheeps (hyppy in the 60's business men in the 80's, fascists nowadays), chances are good they won't turn as bad.
"For starters, the older generation will gradually fade away"
No they won't. They are simply replaced by hoards of new reactionary pensioners. Look at The Who and U2, just two examples.
The lesson?
You cannot exit the British empire without spilling blood.
There you have it.