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Military Plant In East Ukraine Devastated By Massive Explosion; Kiev Accuses Russia Of Using Tactial Nuke
Last night's headlines crowed in bright red flashing text that Russia and Ukraine had (once again) agreed a cease-fire and terms over the borders between the two nations. Perhaps not surprisingly, mere hours later, Ukraine is claiming that Russia has broken the truce... with the use of a tactical nuclear weapon at Luhansk airport. This comes on the heels of claims by the pro-Russia separatists that Kiev forces destroyed a massive military plant in Donetsk. Russia's defense ministry flatly denies the 'nuclear strikes' adding that "no reasonable person will take them seriously." This truce-breaking action has once again raised calls among Ukrainians for the nation to get its nuclear status back; something Russia is clearly strongly against.
Earlier in the day, a massive military facility in pro-Russian separatist-held Donetsk was destroyed. As RT reports, a neighborhood official told Ukrainian 112 television that a shell hit the plant.
“There was a direct hit at the No 47 industrial explosives shop, where some explosives were present. It detonated and caused another explosion. Luckily it didn’t hit the main storage facility where we have some 2.5 tons of explosives,” said Ivan Prikhod’ko, deputy chair of the local community council.
He added that while the incident caused considerable damage, nobody was hurt.
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There is no verified report about what kind of weapon hit the plant. But there are rumors of it being targeted by a Tochka-U tactical missile launched by Kiev's troops.
“According to our information, three Tochka-U missiles were fired and there you have it,” a militia member who identified himself as codename ‘Scorpio’ told RT.
Ukrainian media earlier in the day quoted Geletei as telling one of the journalists that the Russian army had delivered two tactical nuclear strikes on the Lugansk airport from a self-propelled Tyulpan 2S4 mortar system, thus causing the Ukrainian troops to leave the area.
“The strikes were so powerful that they demolished buildings completely from top to bottom,” media reports quoted him as saying.
Adn as Inforesist notes, this was confirmed by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Valery Geletey during the return of the Ukrainian delegation from Poland.
It is reported on your page in the Facebook Roman Bocskai.
In particular, the forces of the Russian Federation made two impact of self-propelled mortar 2S4 "Tulip" in Lugansk airport. It is for this reason that our military had left him. Blows were so powerful that "completely destroyed the building from the fifth floor to the basement" - described the minister.
The devastation at Luhansk Airport...
h/t @L0ggol
Which, as ITAR-TASS reports, the Russian Defense Ministry flatly denied...
Ukrainian media reports said that Defence Minister Geletei had made this statement upon return from talks in Poland.
“The leadership of Ukraine should consider sending Geletei through a basic military training course where rookies learn the main effects of a nuclear explosion and its consequences,” the Russian Defence Ministry said in what meant to be a jock.
“Speaking seriously, Geletei’s regular attempts to justify the failures of the punitive operation in the south-east of Ukraine by alleged actions of Russian army units look like paranoia. But no reasonable person will take them seriously,” the ministry said.
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What is somewhat comical is that these incidents comes just hours after Friday’s signing of an extended ceasefire deal between Kiev and rebel forces, which hopes to put an end to hostilities in eastern Ukraine. The deal includes pulling back all heavy weapons from cities and frontlines.
The blast happened just as a Russian humanitarian aid convoy was unloading elsewhere in the city. Some 200 trucks carrying 2,000 tons of aid crossed the border earlier on Saturday.
NATO chimed in...
- *UKRAINE HAS CEASE-FIRE `IN NAME ONLY,' TOP NATO GENERAL SAYS:AP
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God damn it
False flag. Just like Kiev is responsibly for that Malaysian airliner. They are probably responsible for this.
Probably miss handled all those explosives NATO been handing off.
Does anyone actually think they set off a nuke and the rest of the world doesn't already know about it? Even a small "tactical" nuke would set off seismographs everywhere.
It depends. Do you trust the seismographers?
If you do trust them, a cobalt package will do nicely for such a small target with less than a fracking quake in the aftermath.
RIP my brother Antony in the plant environs. Nikogo ne zhalko.
Looks like they lost my luggage again.
LOL @ them saying it's a nuke. That's a fucking chemical explosion.
...Kiev is in retreat mode. They blew it up so the Russians can't use it themselves...
In all fairness; a man comes back from russia, sees his home gone, his wife and children dead or mamed - would you let the pen pushing bloke who caused your misfortunate to simply, sign it away with a single word "ceasefire". No one really expects it to end, not now and not like this. An eye for an eye at minimum. If I were Poroshenko, I'd be worried about my own back rather than chocolate looking at those recent protests in the capital
Oligarch's bleed like the rest of us...
Perhaps now is a good time to remind ourselves of the consequences of nuclear war
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/04/the-consequences-of-nuclear-war/
NEXT, The Ukrainians Will Be Claiming
""Damn Ruskies Are Lobbing Nuclear HandGrenades At Us...""
Thermobarics?
"Thermobarics?"
DING DING DING !!!
We have a winnahhh !!
Mushroom cloud, smushroom cloud.
It is all a part of the inner circle’s strategy.
Oh, F me.. does anybody have any idea how horrid that detonation was?
That's fuel burning, with some kind of accelerant. Explosives in storage would do that, making it burn hotter.
Nobody hurt?! A blessing that it happens on a Saturday.
So the psychopaths have mud on their faces AGAIN.
Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
sorry, that was no nuke...
there or the airport...
i hope these ASS PIRATES dont think that everyone is as stupid as they are...
I honestly feel that we'll all be dead soon. But what do I know. My juice box has turned me into a homosexual.
It’s just nice to know that the Kiev Nazi Goebbels propaganda and big lie contingent is on our side.
Gee, I seem to be missing a Boeing 777.
Welcome to propaganda TV...we're live 24/7.
Find a banker you can trust....and nailgun that son of a bitch.
it was reported a couple of days ago the separatists were systematically flattening the airport to drive out the junta forces.
We've seen israel flatten whole streets in gaza within a day.
My, the trolls have become creative these days...
Just check the born on date....gives them away everytime.
abuse [at] zerohedge.com is your friend. Vote now, vote often.
Few days old, but not enough coverage - $30 million bounty offered to identify who really shot down MH17
Please keep us posted
Are you being glib? There is hearsay that justice is about to be meted out behind the scenes. One hopes that there are still players with a conscience out there.
"Players with a conscience" get ousted. Or worse.
I use 'conscience' loosely. A good rancher knows when to reign in the mustangs.
NO. You're a cute wordsmith, but please for the love of christ don't start playing scientist. we have enoiugh of that crap, already.
Thermobarics?
Yep, that thermite white smoke looks familiar . . . Oh yeah, the WTC twin towers on 9/11.
handgranukes were tested and failed. average soldier couldn't throw them far enough.
them there nukes throw a nice wave ! And dont fergit ! we can thank nuke testing back in the good old days for causing all that fresh water that stopped the.........well, hello many centuries of winter . well, in north palm beach, you can finally swim all day and not drift away from your towel ! oh the plusses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR8FvDDhBv0
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/03/vt-nuclear-education-history-of-...
Except those who run the world want to kill billions of us. So for them this is exactly what they want.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
Pray to God for mercy.
Correctrion, the lunactics that run the WESTERN world want to kill billions... IMO, the ebola outbreak is their latest attempt to get the ball rolling... Let's hope the EuroAsian block does something to stop the zioinist that control the west...
As for your call for "god" to save you, which of the 5300+ deities worshiped on the planet today do you subscribe to? Yet another construct to control the minds of the people...
Perhaps it is a good time to remind your own self that Leonardo Eff. DiCaprio wastes exponentionally more carbon than your handful of blog readers combined. Just read your post about "Last Days"... just do us all a favor and stick your head between your legs already.
Oh, before I forget - is it time to dig out the old 10:10 video again? Just replace Gillian Anderson with your baby boy Leo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE3g0i2rz4w
time to find out if it melts in your mouth; or only in your hand. will someone please shoot this freak.
Scorched earth?
Exactly right. One doesn't need a nuke to blow up a fuckin' explosives plant.
The russians blew up their own explosives plant? why? Does this make sense?
slightly OT, but BBC are giving it large about Russians protesting in Moscow about Russia's involvement in Ukraine? Propoganda?
Am I supposed to act surprised by these events?
Oh, stuff your cobalt package somewhere the sun don't shine; sunshine. And educational system that doesn't produce any physics literacy, and we have twenty of them right here on this blog. Where did this crazy meme come from that just because you know how to type your laughable idiot opinion is worth taking up space with.
They used a tactical nuke on the buildings on 9 11 and got away with it these are not the old type nukes they are very differant.
Poison many wells lately?
Had they used a tactical nuke on 9/11, there would have been quite a few deaths due to radiation poisoning. Even with the smallest tactical nuke ever detonated, the radiation was lethal out to at least 1/4 mile. Nukes simply cannot work without a very high ionizing radiation output. It's a physics thing.
What if the nuke was deep underground? I'm with Zhalezov on this one. Buildings turned to powder. Radiated first responders dropping from cancer. IAEA goons with geiger counters. It all adds up to GROUND ZERO.
It does not add up. Nukes are serious business. I've been to the Trinity Site and held trinitite in my hands. I've talked to people who have watched the things go off firsthand. Look at where the initial point of collapse was and tell me that's consistent with a deep underground explosion. And the kind of radiation that you get from the initial blast of a nuke is not likely to give you cancer. It either kills you, or you heal. Whatever the case, you get nauseous and disoriented within hours of exposure. The left over fission products are what give people cancer, and if it were a nuke, there would still be left over fission products in NY today. The really nasty stuff that kills you within a week or two before you can get cancer would be gone, but things like Strontium 90 would still be there, and that's particularly nasty stuff, as it tends to accumulate in your bones.
Nukes are really only dangerous directly in the blast or fifty miles down wind.
So Fukushima is not such a big deal, right?
WTC 'micronukes' is a red herring B.S. argument designed to divert attention away from the real perpetrators.
Cancer? how about ASBESTOS DUST? Naw, it COULDN'T BE...
Remember the B.S. one about 'HOLOGRAMS'? How about 'space-based weapons'?
These are as bad as the 'official story'!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YZ1NPjfJqI
Uhh yeah. We agree on most everything it seems. Except the initial point of collapse- ie vaporized buildings. How does that happen?
nauseous and disoriented- check
responders getting cancer- check
ground zero and all "fission products" quickly cleaned up and removed- check
Read Khalezov. A terrible, rambling writer, but truth lies beneath.
It would have been 3 weeks before anybody could have gone in there without risking death from radiation sickness. Not cancer, but just plain getting irradiated. That shit does not get cleaned up quickly. It's extremely hot right after a nuclear detonation. I'm telling you, it does not add up. And I flat out do not recall the nauseous and disoriented people in such a way that is consistent with radiation sickness. And lets not forget that a lot of things used in construction can cause cancer if taken into the body.
It would have been 3 weeks before anybody could have gone in there without risking death from radiation sickness.
From what I've read that isn't true. After the initial blast radiation falls off very quickly. These would have been low yield nukes, not fat men.
Extremely hot- like lakes of molten steel hot? Like giant holes of melted rock discovered under the WTC towers and declared relics of the ice age- hot? Like the soles of workers boots melting hot?
Anywho- Best of luck. Hopefully someday we will know the full truth and hopefully it will set us free.
Yes, very quickly, as in it takes three weeks in the blast zone and in high fallout zones (which are formed when there are at or near surface bursts,) to be safe for clean up and travel. Longer if your area has been saturated with ground bursts, shorter if they were air bursts. It's all about how much debris gets contaminated and how much gets thrown up into the upper atmosphere And don't take the size of the nuke as a sure fire indicator for how much radioactivity there will be. Not all nukes are created equally in this regard. There is a certain minimum size that the pit must be to get a supercritical reaction, no matter the yield, and with a super small nuke, that means that there is a lot of plutonium that doesn't get fissioned and is instead spread all over the place. Even with a W54, you don't want to be anywhere near ground zero for a time if it was detonated close enough to the surface for the fireball to hit the ground. (Actually, with a W54, there is a decent chance of a lot of local fallout even without a surface burst, as it may or may not have enough power to get the fission products up into the upper atmosphere, but I've not seen any test results on that particular aspect of super "small" nukes.)
And hot, as in radioactive hot.
As in air burst....see ya downwind
It was an experimental new type of nuclear bomb called a "Proton Bomb". It destroys buildings but doesn't harm people...Okay, I made that up.
"It was an experimental new type of nuclear bomb called a "Proton Bomb". It destroys buildings but doesn't harm people...Okay, I made that up."
Close.....it was called the Neutron Bomb. And it was real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
They even came up with a dance for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Y-9YSBB9s
We're talking- or at least I'm talking- about a deep earth detonation.
which would negate statements such as:
high fallout zones, surface bursts, air bursts, detonations close enough to the surface to create fireballs.
What would a deep earth nuclear explosion look like?
How can we explain:
Pools of molten steel? "ice age" like rock depressions beneath WTC? The majority of the WTC towers vaporized into micron sized dust?
Questions that will not be answered because they cannot be answered.
I have yet to find a more convincing theory than that offered by Khalezov.
I concur. The physics of underground nuclear explosions are VERY different from surface detonations or air bursts. Once you understand how underground detonations behave, it is very credible that the twin towers were taken out by nukes.
http://thisiszionism.blogspot.com/2010/05/dimitri-khalezovs-nuclear-demo...
What exactly is deep under the twin towers and how did they get nuclear bombs there?
Inquiring minds want facts, not bullshit. I'm sure you are chock full or the former, as opposed to the later.
Deep under the twin towers is the vault where MF Global stored their clients money. The time line may not add up but it explains how all that money was vaporized ne?
Yeah, they set off the nuke underground, which caused the building to collapse from the top where the plane hit. That's the ticket!
Look into Plasma nukes
VT has a plausable theory on nukes being used.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/11/the-day-the-world-fell-down-9-11...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/24/vt-flexing-its-nuclear-muscle/
The buildings came down from top to bottom like they were theoretically being hit with highly-amplified, elecromagnetic, space-based DEW which molecularly dissociated the very concrete and steel the buildings were made of as they seemingly fell at freefall speeds and turned to powder at the same time from the top down.
Hypothetically, of course...
There were no radioactive signatures, no seismic activity to speak of, etc. Even what was left of the buildings falling into the tub didn't register. If small nukes went off in those buildings with enough force to turn solid steel into powder, at least a few city blocks surrounding the site would have been leveled.
Everyone is utterly distracted by "controlled demolition", "thermite" and "mini-nukes", not to mentiion the widely-held narrative of plane crashes and kerosine... It's all about the distractions.
I concur with your sentiments El Vaquero that the use of exotic nuclear weaponry to bring those buildings down is virtually ridiculous but then again, it's all about the distractions...
There is nothing "exotic" about exploding nuclear weapons underground. They all just behave very differently underground than they do at surface, or in the atmosphere.
As far as Directed Energy Weapons go...yes, that is a credible theory as well. But what makes the underground nuke theory MORE credible is that that technology is well understood and thoroughly established. There have been thousands of underground nuclear test explosions, the effects are well documented.
Let's stay focused on the one thing we can ALL agree on: the conspiracy theory promoted by the federal government and the mainstream media is COMPLETE bullshit.
Lets stay focused on FACTS - of which you have presented NONE.
The problem with nutjobs without any evidence is that they make us look like idiots. Of course, If I were a paid Fed Troll, making the opposition look like idiots would be my primary objective.
This is why I think the outlandish, nutjob, wingnuts are most likely FedGov trolls.
I was at home on Dial Emergency 9-1-1 recovering from an industrial accident. I couldn't sleep that morning because of my wounds, so I got up and turned on the television and made some coffee. I pretty much just watched the news all moring... then bam. Breaking news, plane hits tower. Anyhow, I watched that first tower collapse on itself. And I called BULLSHIT. Then I watched the second tower collapse on itself. And I called BULLSHIT again. Of course, we were also hearing First Responders tell us there were BOMBS in the building. And for those who have the memory span of a sun baked worm, that brought back memories of the OKC bombing. Bombs in the building! Clear out!
Now, unlike most American feminized males today, I'm not one of those emotional sorts screaming OMG! OMG! OMG! allowing myself to be emotionally compomised and traumatized and thereby susceptible to emotional traumatic brainwashing. Bin Laden. Bin Laden. Bin Laden. Terrorists. Bin Laden.
So anyhow, I am watching this transpire throughout the day. And then there it is, tower 7 comes down... in its own footprint. Just like the twin towers and no plane hit it.
I'm also seeing the Pentagon. The very first thing I notice, is no debris immediately after impact in the immediate area. And the lawn is nice and green. I also notice that there is a construction equitment bin fencing right where a jumbo jets wing should have taken out... not a scratch.
Move on the "Lets Roll!" It's just a hole. And then later we find out that there is debris, stretched out for a few miles.
So, anyone who could have watched this all unfold, from the very begining as I did, and not come away with a BULLSHIT... is a nutjob.
And then we find out later that the 19 Jack-Muslims liked drinking, doing drugs, hanging out with strippers and prostitutes, and could barely fly a Cessna.
In fact, I still remember one news station showing a U.S. Army psyops team about to set up shop in their newsroom, when it was suddenly cut-off and not shown or mentioned again.
Anyone who believes the official government story has a emotional mental illness making them susceptiple to traumatic induced brainwashing.
But then again, Americans are the most heavily drugged peoples, legally and illegally, on this planet bar-none. And this is the USA! USA! USA! USA Government!
And most cops are good. And we have a consteetootion!
And our government would never ever be so... mean!
Here's a link to an article by a Finnish military expert that argues that the explosive profile of WTC 1 and 2 is consistent with an underground nuclear explosion.
http://hidhist.wordpress.com/terror/writings-of-a-finnish-military-exper...
Please note that the text and video links in the article have since been de-commissioned as 404......
ADDENDUM:
Additional links here illustrating the potential for the ostensibly observed volcanic ashification of WTC 1 and 2
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/5/soldier5.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/4/soldier4.htm
obviously I thought those links needed reamination.
did it here:
'Tactical Nuke' in Ukraine Airport? Links (re 911, nukes) Restored | S.F.M.H.
includes video, and PDF, and all that. SFMH = Saved From Memory Hole. oh, and i made a nice graphic.
thank you and all that;
be seeing you.
Hypothetically > basement based, you know of particle/electron and charged research done still ?
Actually, they found levels of Tritium at 55 times normal background. And since finding Tritium naturally is a probability of 10-16 it is exceptionally unlikely that it got there by any natural means. Tritium wasnt the only radioactive material found either. But Tritium is the smoking gun for a tactical nuke explosion.
For reference, the U.S Department of Energy was the first to publish the finding of Tritium.
What if the nuke was deep underground?
Like in Virgina?
http://www.conservativerefocus.com/blog5.php/2011/08/26/weird-news-updat...
Thanks for posting this. Given that the DC area is NOT seismically active, it is way more credible that the "earthquake" three years ago was actually a massive underground detonation. The seismography seems to confirm this.
I find it very curious that the underground nuke posts are getting so many down votes on ZH.
And yet just three buildings came down that day? Were they somehow "magic" nukes? Definitely not.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/wtc_7.html
This shows the areas damaged underground. Why didn't the entire underground section completely collapse? Assume for a moment that it was an underground nuclear explosion...
This depict what normally happens: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Detonation_Sequence_F...
Now, I'm not an expert, with my experience coming from having run nuclear reactors aboard fast attack submarines. But as the logroom yeoman, I did get to read all the wonderful NRC documents they sent us. Fascinating stuff. But the "theory" that underground nukes were used simply doesn't hold water.
The tub was essentially undamaged for all intents and purposes. How could you bring down buildings like those with "underground nukes" yet not damage the foundation?
Exploding underground nukes that eat skyscrapers from the top down, from underneath them?
I agree, the "theory" makes absolutely no sense.
Inside job + nuclear device + bankrupt country/decade of war = Pitchforks and torches.
It's because there are a few people left who aren't complete IDIOTS.
Signature; signature, signature, signature. they have a seismic signature; not just a wiggle. go away, idiot child.
No planes, no mini-nukes, no accident... Hutchison Effect was seen everywhere, how would much of the reinforced concrete and steel in those buildings literally get turned into sub-80 micron powder in less than 10 seconds while rendering the contents of the tub molten for many days despite quenching? We'll probably never know the truth.
Building collapses are high energy events. Not all of the rubble became a super-fine powder. Only some of it. Which you would expect even from dropping a cocnrete block from half that hieght, nevermind the tearing and the rending and the grinding of millions of tons of the stuff on the way down. Think about the energy required to lift all that shit up there in the first place. It all got released, all at once. The energy of such a collapse would resemble a nuke.
Most of the buildings were converted to powder. Drop steel and concrete from 10000', 100000' and see if it turns to powder, nevermind any theoretical "grinding". Concrete perhaps to a n extent but steel being ground to fine powder?? The rubble piles of each building would have been hundreds of feet high had they not and the footage of the "collapses" speak for themselves, there isn't a lot of "grinding" at the top of a "collapse. Sorry but your attempt at an explanation is easy to reject outright.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/nuke-cancer-from-911-revealed/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/24/vt-flexing-its-nuclear-muscle/
The red is for loading and unloading only......
You're off your lithium tablets again...
OK it wasn't a tactical nuke, it was a Tesla.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/03/vt-nuclear-education-history-of-...
Now, now, don't be too hard on this guy.. The latest theory for WTC 1&2 IS that focused, tactical nukes were used to dissolve the core of the buildings from the bottom up...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/01/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked...
Idiot go back and try to pass 6th. grade, again.
Ukrainii-NATO usurper regime, it is jock, no?
Now, hilarity
Small tactical nukes can be used to just level a 1 square mile radius or even half that.
But it is a reminder to the US and Europe that these weapons are all still in the arsenal of Russia.
That's all that matters. Boys and toys.
"still in the arsenal of Russia, NATO and the USSA." There, fixed it for ya.
Used to hear that many tactical Nukes ended up with the Mafia, so... maybe this was a local purchase item.
If US can carry bundles of USD around so can the Russians.
And the double flash of a nuke would have been recorded by a dozen satelites from different
nations.
Yeah, except for the fact that nuclear bombs detonated UNDERGROUND don't flash.
Dupe
compare and contrast...
Seismic data from 9/11
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/WTC/Seismic/WTC_LDEO_KIM.htm
Now an actual nuclear explosion vs. an earthquake... see page 8.
https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/903991.pdf
Sorry, actual evidence says no to an underground nuke... it just doesn't fit the data recorded.
I am willing to entertain other theories for the collapse of WTC7, but I did step out of the shower that morning to watch the second plane fly into the WTC South Tower. First words out of my mouth... "Terrorists"... Occam's razor.
"...but I did step out of the shower that morning to watch the second plane fly into the WTC South Tower."
The one that passed through over 200' of steel and reinforced concrete to emerge through the other side of the building with it's fuselage/nose totally intact as was evident in the now infamous "nose out" footage?
You seem to think that buildings are made out of solid concrete and steel. Must be hard to work in one unless you're Kitty Pride.
The WTC was built like a birdcage, not a Medieval stone fortress. It penetrated the thin structural support of one side and the thin structural support on the other. This isn't hard, despite it being substantially similar to rocket science.
Well when they lie, Obfuscate, and destroy all the evidence... it certainly is easy to believe there is no reason for a complete shut down of NORAD & Fighter Jets Protecting the Whitehouse, The Congress, the Pentagon, and what was this 3rd or 4th attack on World Trade Center.
Plus Tom Clancy is famous for having written a book describing a Japanese Pilot driving a commercial Jet into Either Congress or the Whitehouse... Was it "Rainbow Six".
And buildings that were built to withstand Earthquakes and airplane strikes and were specially conditioned recently by contractors for fire proofing (put that company on the Do Not Use List)... and Bldg 7 goes down from a few fires?
3 Buildings go down, Steel Sky Scrapers, first time in history, but... they fail everywhere all at once, don't list, and fall in their own foot print.
Video Black 911 was interesting.
The "plane" flew right through the building without hitting anything solid enough to damage a delicate aluminum skin and airframe after striking at least two solid steel uprights on the exterior (given the width of a 767) at what is alleged to be roughly 500 knots? Do you have any idea what an airliner is made of and how? Thin structural support!? Any idea of the size of the upright steel supports, and how far apart they were placed from eachother on center, that constituted this "thin structural support"? Nevermind the far-from-thin interior core structures? Or do you work for NIST or something?
Sounds like you think airliners are made from solid, steel building-piercing titanium with ultra-high speed, diamond tipped cutting nose cones. What you are suggesting is actually funny as in cartoons ha ha.
Assuming these SATS have coverage of the area, yes. Most monitoring is done via a global network of seismographs, hydrographs, and nuclear particle detectors monitored by the UN "International Data Center" located in Vienna, Austria. The united States used to run a robust sensing operation, but I honestly do not know the status of that. In any event, fallout and residual radiation would be easy to identify. I think the idea Russia used tactical nukes is silly. Looks like they hit an ammo dump that mass detonated. If it were government controlled, it would certainly make sense for rebels to hit it.
Please see this video of a Kamakaze hitting a US ammo ship in WWII which caused the ammo to mass detonate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7z_Tq1_6XU
It is not the seismograph that would be set off. It would be the satellites. Nukes sends a particular signature that can be picked up by properly designed satellites.
But you are forgetting that UNDERGROUND nuclear detonations are most reliably detected via seismograph.
Underground. Underground. UNDERGROUND.
"Underground. Underground. UNDERGROUND."
Who put it there. How. evidence. Evidence. EVIDENCE.
You are right. But clearly we are not talking about an underground nuke in this particular situation as there is no crater.
On a side note, did you know that underground nuclear detonation can be made in such a way as to produce no meaningful seismic activity? With the proper layers of underground soils, the shock can be absorbed enough to reduce the earthquake to less then 3 on the richer scale. It is little known that such test happened in the Gardanne mine in France.
If small nukes could be used undetected then the US would have been using them for years...this was not a nuke..
Also there was a similar expolsion in Syria last year (?) and there was no follow up so I think that was also likely just high octane conventional.
"Does anyone actually think they set off a nuke and the rest of the world doesn't already know about it? Even a small "tactical" nuke would set off seismographs everywhere."
Conventional blasts and nuclear blasts of similar size will be the same on seismographs. However, fallout and residual radiation would be very easy to detect. If a nuclear strike, which I doubt, we will know shortly. I have not seen these reports anywhere else, so I don't think anyone takes them seriously.
if the Russians used nuclear weapons, and there is no reason for them to do so, it would be a clear game changer with Russia on the bad end of the stick.
it's amazing how many upvotes you get when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
i took a geology class focussing on mointoring of underground nuclear explosions. that you get so many upvotes when you make a categorical sweeping statement is proof of the morons on zh voting their hearts not brains.
first of all, the seismographic signature has EVERYTHING to do with how deep , and in what type of earth an explosion happens in. then the question is of locating the explosion. finally, it's not entirely clear that is is even possible to distinguish between a nuclear and non-nuclear blast but for the magntitude of the explosion.
high explosives carry their own chemical oxidizer and don't need oxygen underground to explode. like a nuke does not.
and i'm not even talking the yield here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions
there are some kiloton style conventional exposions , they just require far more mass in terms of explosive than a nuke. most of the kiloton explosions of convnetional explosives were the results of industiral or military accidents. but as you go down the scale of explosive tonnage equivelance----you get more and more legitimate testing of large explosive tonnage. you DONT NEED A KILOTON TO BLOW UP A FEW CIVILIAN BUILDINGS. AND PLENTY OF EXPLOSIVES COULD AND WOULD HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT NUCLEAR BLASTS.
BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEISMOGRAPHS YOU DUMMY. RADIATION TESTING AFTER WAYS, AND IF EXPLODED IN UNCOVERED AREA----THE CHARACTERISTIC 'DOUBLE FLASH' OF THE NUKE DETONATOR AS SEEN FROM SPACE.
There are nukes with lower amounts of trace radiation, but if you blow them up under an airport building, presumably the rubgble will be radioactive. no one knows or even really cares if it is.
so it's very possible , but extremely unlikely a very small nuke could have been used. that said WHO CARES. it's obviously maidan kiev lies to anatognize more warbecause lies are the stock and trade of war.
so what. doesn't give your 111 upvotes any legitimacy you retard. and all the people who upvoted you. the throngs of retards.
MH17 was certainly downed by Ukrainian fighter jets firing in to the cockpit area of 9M-MRD.
Where are the Borispol ATC recordings from that afternoon that were confiscated by Kiev Secret Service?
Maybe it was finished off by gunfire to subdue the pilot (horrifying if true) struggling for flap control. Missile or onboard explosive looks like the body-blast culprit.
For another mission template please see the Black Sea Tupalov, shot down by Ukraine in October of 2001. Sorry for the Wiki link. I reckon this one will persist for a while.
In a real world, this is exactly how 9-11 should have ended, BTW, with the mightiest military in the world shooting down those jets in 30 seconds.
Interesting that MiG-29 and Su-25 have same radar signature
Not really.. actually, not really at all.
All you guys who dream up all these conspiracies are really just looney nut jobs. It is both entertaining and scary. All the stuff you spout with no proof whatsoever. Pilots killed by gunfire to the cockpit... really. An aircraft would have to close to within 100 yards to pull that off. Please show evidence of any aircraft closing to within even 500 yards of the airliner. I do not mind being down arrowed by looney tunes.
I will state this with great certainty. The Ukranian government and military are both way too incompetent to do any thing in a coordinated fashion. I mean these guys just claimed the Russians used nukes - so easily refutable and nonsensical as to be laughable.
Thank God they gave away their nuclear weapons.
"Probably miss handled all those explosives NATO been handing off"
They just couldn't take their ordnance with them so they destroyed it...with a flourish.
This would appear to be consistent with their Nazi scorched earth in retreat tactics and Gleiwitz style psyop blaming
WHEN will the Ruskies ever learn? The Ziocons are Relentless, play Dirty and play for Keeps. Ask Quebec or Scotland about "Secession".
After similar sabotage-caused explosions in Syria and Russia, you'd THINK that the Ruskies would learn to take EXTREME security measures: NO one who has not been vetted by bloodline/lineage and multi-generational loyalty get anywhere NEAR sensitive areas! Period!
The only thing to do, is to put those Intelligence assets to work, and to fucking retaliate. "Terrorism" and Sabotage is a two-way street. BTW, blowing up such a facitility is an act of War-state sabotabe, not one of civilian "terrorism" -- as the West would claim, if this happened to them. Words, semantics and PR is EVERYTHING.
Yats is running the Ukraine strategy and if anything he appears to be, speaking philosophically, a descendant of the Menachem Begin approach: bomb and kill and immediately blame your opponent.
Where have we seen this before? Why in Gaza, of course, from the continuous breaking of ceasefires and the immediate accusation from Netanyahu that it was Hamas. And, of course, the rockets can be set off by anyone. It is a trick tried too often but when you have the media on your side, you can make the accusation stick.
As for ol’ innocent-blood-on-his-hands Menachem Begin…
"We created terror among the Arabs and all the villages around. In one blow, we changed the strategic situation." -- Menachem Begin
The Deir Yassin Massacre by William Martin | CounterPunch | May 13, 2004
http://www.counterpunch.org/martin05132004.htm
A month ago (approx) pics were aired of Ukrainian shrapnel and shell debris very close to chemical installations in the regiona. On 31 July 2014 Strelkov gave a press conference to warn of the grave consequences to the region if one of the major installations there was targeted. Seperatists have what to gain, destroying facilities and infrastructure in the land they wish to remain living in and self govern, especially if it creates an environmental catastrophe? Kiev forces on the other hand have plenty of motive to destroy facilities and materials that may be of use to seperatists now, or later, whilst they are withdrawing.
"Strelkov said that Tochka-U tactical ballistic missiles are being prepared for launch by the Ukrainian army, and that Kiev "will claim that militia are preparing terrorist acts, using chemicals at the ammonia plant in Gorlovka."
The Stirol plant in Gorlovka, part of OSTCHEM holding AG, was already the site of a deadly leak a year ago where six people were killed.
Now, says Strelkov, Ukrainian forces may engineer an accident that they will blame on the separatists -- which is why they wanted to make a statement today reiterating "that we will never commit any terrorism." If a major accident occurred, "tens of thousands" of people could die, said Strelkov."
The press conference: http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/3619
Peace
Evidence, Bob? Oh right, none....
if ukrain joint nato and ukrain gets nuke country status back, that will mean that nato get nuke teritory right on the border with russia
so who has the motiv?
that is what i thing about this
That was no Nuke....How do I know? Are you kidding me, I am the master of Nuketown on Call of Duty...I have trained, I have lived it. It is NOT just a game. IT is full tactical training. I would advise all of you to play a little Nuketown and become an expert.
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Do they honestly believe playing the false flag card is going to work at this point in history? Christ sakes idiots are running the asylum...
That's nice. I like how the clouds look like ink, it really sets it off.
Put it on canvas and I'll buy it.
I saw somthing almost exactly like that walking through the Denver airport.
One of your best works so far, William.
Wait on, didn't I see that exact same same style mural t the Denver airport? Fess up, WB7, is DIA really an Alien saucer base?
So the West uses a ceasefire to sneak in NATO weapons and munitions, and Seperatists (Independence Fighters) blow the shit up.
What did the neo-Nazi's and the dunderheaded EU and US leaders think would happen, peace?
And it wasn't nukes you ninnies - it was an explosives factory.
Yessir. Explosives factories and rocket fuel plants and the like can make some huge explosions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KuGizBjDXo
12 tons of hexogen according to this tweet.
Looks like a lot more than 12 tons to me. Looks like 100 or ton or more mass detonation. Probably an ordnance stockpile.
What the hell do you know about it? Nothing.
An ill-inflormed opinion from an ignorant civilian.
Actually I know a great deal about these things. A very great deal. If you want to counter my assessment, I invite you to do so, but try and use facts. Baselees and ignorant slander does not cut it. Your failure to resort to any actual reason, logic or data is quite telling.
After a closer look at the pictures, it's probably a chemical explosion and fire. The give away is the unscathed trees and towers very near by. A stronger blast would have felled or denuded them.
Certainly not nuclear. The blast radius would be larger and the structures in the blast area would have been either compressed down if near the center of an air burst (the only way to deliver such a weapon effectively) or swept away by the Mach Stem if not near ground zero of the blast.
You mean ..."America accuses Russia of using tactical nuke".....
There. Fixed it for ya.
Luhansk airport now looks like some bombed out neighborhoods in Detroit.
Only difference is that Luhansk airport is a lot safer than Detroit.
At least the cops in Detroit have the sense to tell the remaining residents that they need to arm themselves. In Camden NJ, they will lockup CCW holders if they take a wrong turn over the bridge from Philly.
Fuckin pigs don't want any competition.
Ukrainians already have received lethal high end weapons and training from NATO, that's why they are holding ground.
This shows despair from Putin.
Ukrainians are already armed
That's why they use Russian made weapons and kit and jump from planes in the same tactical style as Russian Paratroopers. Nope, they are experts because of NATO...
LOL! What a crock.
You have been there, it seems and have seen how they war
Shows despair from Putin? how are you coming to this conclusion?
If the Russians actually used a tactical nuke maybe..
No, this is just the Spec.Ops weighing in.
Keep an eye out for a big up-tick of treasonous bastard accidental deaths....soon
Ukrainians (or at least most of them) no longer want to be identified as 'russians'.
Putin does not accept that, because he'd lose huge arable land and food source.
Hence, war.
A nation is being created
Normal world history
I don't know if I should stand and solute or bend over and puke.
New US military doctrine for enlistees is "bend over and salute" .
And therein lies the problem. Western Ukrainians tied to force that same thought [no longer want to be identified as Russian] on the Eastern Ukrainians with threats and force of arms, killing, maiming and destroying rather than inviting them into a union of Ukraine as equals. Yes it would have taken a generation or two for the trust to develop but now.... you will never enjoy that trust.
Can't trust the Nazis. Ever.