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That second graphic so well represents my feelings torwards this criminal, corrupt, and illegitimate government.
It would also seem to represent England's true gesture toward Scotland if the accusations of vote rigging are true - and they are.
Citation needed.
Redundant. All governments are illegit, and are necessarily comprised of the criminally corrupt.
@metastar, re: "That second graphic so well represents my feelings torwards this criminal, corrupt, and illegitimate government."
I am somewhat prejudiced to think that when you write about "this ... gov", you aren't writing neither about the UK nor about Spain
Ask yourself this question: what leads you to think that a fully independent Scotland or Calalunya or <insert your new country here> would be less criminal, corrupt and illegitimate?
Enthusiasm for Other People's Independence Drives is fine. Sometimes irksome, yet fine. Yet asking for independence without making sure that your local politics is healthy is not a recipy for happiness. Are you involved in your local politics? If not... the kindest word I can think of is... juvenile
Which criminal, corrupt, and illegitimate government are talking about? Cause I ain't sure there if there is one which does not meet your definition.
Beat me to it.
let's join the example of people of < insert valid example here > and set up a government-free territory. of course with plenty of border patrols and a standing army to repel invaders. and a militarized police to hold down riots. for trade, let's use the regulations valid for the places where exports are going to
did I forget something?
A democracy?...lol...really?
"House of Commons Speaker, John Bercow, said: “An 84 per cent turnout, rallies in the streets, and intelligent, informed debates are all the stuff of nightmares.
“By some dreadful miscalculation the future of this nation was, for a brief time, in the hands of the people who live in it.
“Never, ever again.”
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/westminster-vows-never-to-allow-vote-on-anything-that-matters-ever-again-2014091990824
"Vote all you wish. We'll count them for you."
That picture on the left is missing all the 'no' votes already in the box.
do you have any idea how difficult it is to tamper with a classic paper ballot of the kind used in Scotland's Independence vote? if not, why don't you participate as a volunteer in one of those, to get a better knowledge of the thing?
meanwhile, yes, mnewn, Westminster, for all it's faults, is democracy in action. parliamentary democracy, something you haven't experienced
note that even though Westminster uses the (same) damn antiquated FPTP voting system, it boasts more than two parties, and a coalition of parties in government
in the UK, people were not in favour of Scottish Independence, neither in Scotland nor in the rest of the UK
whenever you rant against democracy in general, please explain why your views should be held in higher regard than the majority's
Democracy these days is like those online polls I recently saw on a financial site.
The poll:
Should Europa do more to create jobs?
1. Yes, rates should be lowered even more for a prelonged time.
2. No, let the central bank do it's work by injecting money into the system
Now.... You had to choose between those 2 options.... Now how the hell are that 2 options?!?! Hell no on both! And yet, thousands just filled the poll and thus a democratic choice was made.
They call it democracy by giving you the options they are planning to do. It doesn't mean both option won't take place, it just means the one that is chosen gets to be deployed first with media cover and the otherone will be deployed on a sunday during a sunny day.
SD my friend, you have it exactly right. These are the pre-selected choices "WE" have formulated and are now offering you.
Choose wisely ;-)
Europa is a moon of Jupiter.
I heard you could moon Jupiter with Uranus...
This website is like The Onion.
We are commenting on a cartoon are we not?...lol.
"I was trying to express what I thought was quite an important concept - namely that there has been dramatic change, in my view change for the better in this country which is vastly more diverse than ever before, and much of that change and increased diversity has taken place during the period that Queen Elizabeth has been our monarch."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-17973303
Better?
Of "kaleidoscope Queens", for "her people" and what not ;-)
Somebody needs to throw Nick Klegg in a wood chipper.
Headbangers paradise...
Some dude tripped and fell head first into a chopper here in Phoenix a few days ago. My skin crawls when I think about it. .
At least it was head first.
Woodchipper...
21st Century Guillotine for Banksters, Politicians, FeralReserve PHD's, and the like.
Every community should have the commercial model gassed and ready to go.
Someone in CT killed a woman and put her frozen body through a woodchipper and dumped the chips in a lake some years back. They caught him because neighbors thought it was funny to be running a woodchipper in a driving snowstorm.
Don't forget the Red Shield's boppsie twins Cameron and Miliband. We know Cameron's family has been working for them for almost 200 years. Miliband is even more feral scum.
And the US cartoon is a touch screen machine with an Israeli lobbyist inside switching the vote if necessary
That Isreali lobbyist is probably paid bet a Brit named Rothschild.
Scotland welcome back to the CON-DEM Nation.
I think the tranparent 'London to Scotland' box was pushing it a bit though!
There's a few UXB's hidden in there somewhere...with timers attached.
Spain and UK, two despotic ex empires run by despotic royals
Night of the living dead - Spanish subtitles
http://impossiblyglamorous.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/duchess_de_alb...
can you imagine how much viagra that gold-digging hombre has to pop?
Westminster were SURE they would win.
So they allowed a referendum.
And they almost miscalculated.
Madrid is SURE they will lose.
They therefore cannot afford to offer a referendum.
The U.K is not more democratic - the Scottish voter is just more stupefied than their Catalonian counterpart.
Excellent analysis.
The Catalans have more balls than the Scots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79hZrZrNlPo
It's shite being Scottish! (epic rant)
Well when your men wear skirts what do you expect.
No, it is simply that the Catalonians are in a better economic position than the Scots. Catalonia is the economic powerhouse of Spain. Scotland is a basket case. If Scotland were independent, it would have to rely on sheep, booze, and a seriously depleted oil reserve for revenue. Scotland would have been forced to cozy up to Putin to survive. Welfare benefits in Glasgow would have less purchasing power than now. But Catalonia could give Spain the middle finger and survive just fine if it was allowed into the EU.
Which one is d.c. to texas?
Ottawa to Quebec?
That's obvious: The left (polite) one is Ottawa to Quebec, and the right one is DC to Texas.
Same outcome, different presentation.
I was thinking it was the finger for both.
I know quite a few militant French-Canadians
They may be militant but they are the vanguard of the Free Shit Army.
The irony of the Spanish mess is that they supposedly have a Conservative government. Aren't they the ones who claim to believe in self-determination, freedom, liberty and all the other good things which respect the wishes of the people??
Or are they simply the right hand head of the two-headed monster called socialism??
Government always looks like a two headed monster.
The illusion of choice.
Fools most of the people, most of the time.
Soon as the Royalists lost control of public tax revenues and socialism began to bloom they just became buisnesses that prays on Government/the publics money all while promoting mismanagment.
Communism went to far and socialism not far enought... what's in the middle is what you all live in, exept you survivalists.
Vive le Roi!!
Conservatism in the US is mostly small government. In Europe both the left and the right are Statist
"The irony of the Spanish mess is that they supposedly have a Conservative government. Aren't they the ones who claim to believe in self-determination, freedom, liberty and all the other good things which respect the wishes of the people??"
smacker, actually... no
what you are describing, is a national-liberal agenda, a mix of conservative and liberal points
conservatives are a completely different breed altogether
it starts with your British Torys: their full name is "Conservative and Unionist Party". Conservatives usually believe in National Integrity, which is really the opposite of self-determination... for parts of their territories
further, in social matters conservatives are anti-progressists, they believe less in personal liberties then for example liberals or socialists, for example when it comes to the traditional family, who is supposed to marry who, how a family is supposed to look like if the family as building block of the nation is needed at all. a good example are the Maltese, who had some problems even allowing divorce, until lately
in economic matters, conservatives tend to foster national industries, in strict contrast to globalization-friendly liberals. the French are more conservatives then Britons, in this
this mixing up of socialists and conservatives is a typical US/UK "left-right" misrepresentation that stems from the fact that both countries are liberal first, and all the rest a distant second, so that classic political stances and labels don't apply there
Fuck your mother, Madrid.
- The Cid
PS: Jimena says fuck yourself too
Dios sabe pobres cataluña.
Listen. It's toon time bitchez!
The only reason they were allowed to vote was because the results were a foregone conclusion. Same if the vote occurs in Catalonia.
The vote will not happen in Catalonia for this very reason.
Remember the Irish. It may take 20 years but people will take action one way or the other.
The economy will collapse within 2 years and that will be the game changer.
To all those complaining that the Scottish vote was rigged, and having a good go at my country of birth, just shut the fuck up already. You can't rig that many fucking votes on that big a scale. Look in the mirror if you want a fucked up election: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000
England isn't perfect but it's a fuckload less imperfect than 99% of the rest of the planet.
London fucked up most of the planet!
We gave the planet its railways.
Oh please m'sabe, bring us filthy savages civilization! To whatever extent the rest of the globe is more imperfect than the Brittanic realm, it is to a considerable degree because the elitist, imperialistic, socialistic and mercantilistic Brits have been fucking with everybody else for several centuries and we have yet to shake off the ill effects. Don't peddle your bullshit here fella, this is the fight club. You turkeys can't seem to trust one another with pointy objects, but you're better than us 99 percentages all right-chummmm!
Very true, but like anything else, the real question is found in the 'why'? The true difference is because in Scotland TPTB knew through their control of the BBC et al, that they could scare the old folks up north just enough to create enough uncertainty and doubt, that should some vote rigging be necessary, it would be marginal enough to largely go unnoticed. In Catalonia, if you look at the video below with at least a half million or more people flooding the streets, TPTB realize any attempt to try to rig the outcome would be very apparent.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SmhiXnRtTVg
Cartoon should be called: "What London did to Scotland; Before & After"
It's missing a frame where they hand the box to the vote counters giving the finger.
“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”-Mark Twain
And about difference between them and Ukraine
Let's see what happens... If catalans don't get to vote they may have early elections next year, with an implicit plebiscite. It the indepentist vote wins clearly, let's see what happens then...