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First Germany, Now France Folds On Syrian Airstrikes

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In yet another rather embarrassing event for The White House, just days after President Obama praised the French for helping in the fight against ISIS, and General martin Dempsey noted "the French were our very first ally and they're with us again now," French officials have, according to Reuters, ruled out participation in airstrikes against Islamic State in Syria. With the fall of France (and Germany already saying "nein"), it appears the broad coalition is now a "coalition of none," as Obama has stated the US would not go it alone...

Last week...

Germany and the U.K. ruled out carrying out air strikes on Islamic State militants in Syria, a day after President Barack Obama authorized the start of U.S. air strikes there.


Turkey - the USA's closest ally in NATO among the Middle East - denies them its airbases for use as launch sites of airstrikes and will not support airstrikes in Syria


Iraq's newly-installed US-friendly PM al-Abadi defies the US and halts airstrikes on ISIS-held civilian areas

Last Friday...

President Obama and his staff are thanking France for agreeing to help in Iraq in the fight against the Islamic State.

 

"We look forward to coordinating with our French partners in the days to come," said White House spokesman Josh Earnest.

And now today...

  • FRANCE RULES OUT AIR STRIKES IN SYRIA AGAINST ISLAMIC STATE, FOREIGN MINISTER LAURENT FABIUS SAYS

The "Coalition of None" continues...

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If you like your anti-ISIS airstrike coalition, you can't keep it...

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Perhaps most concerningly for The US administration, the fact that Germany and France have denied the US leaves them instead sided with Russia's perspective on Syria and ISIS, as "there are deep concerns that the U.S. will bomb not only ISIS positions in Syria, but also the Syrian government forces."

 

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Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:24 | 5243343 lasvegaspersona
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BS

NOTHING embarrasses the Big O

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:30 | 5243370 NidStyles
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Further proving in my mind that ISIS is a political tool created by the US intelligence agencies to benefit the US-petrodollar scheme. When conning doesn't work, veiled threats of dethroning the current state with a secret cabal will. 

 

This shit is just too convenient, and I don't believe in coincidences. 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:34 | 5243403 Tom Servo
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Japan....sending playstations

Stankonia says they'll drop bombs over Baghdad

Afrikaa Bambatta and the Zulu Nation...

 

We got this shit!  Ready to ROLL SON!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:39 | 5243423 Looney
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This morning on CNBC, Barney Frank said, “It’s not worth it to start a thermo-nuclear war because of Syria”.

If that Gunky Cunt® understands it, so does the rest of’em. ;-)

Looney

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:52 | 5243470 Divided States ...
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COAL-I-liton is now SOLO mission

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:54 | 5243483 jaap
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france only did the their air strike to promote their Rafael in action. Just a SALES PITCH. Nothing more, nothing less...

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:58 | 5243511 Stoploss
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They only had two bombs anyway, so they went ahead and blew up another pick up truck.

WOW...

Thanks France.......

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:01 | 5243527 nope-1004
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france was for it, before they were against it.

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:12 | 5243580 tony wilson
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fast france moves forward then backwards into infinity

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:33 | 5243679 Patriot Eke
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The French and Germans don't want to freeze to death this winter, so I doubt they are going to go out of their way to piss off the Russians.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:17 | 5243884 Freddie
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The Germans also sell a lot of cars in Russia and the market is growing rapidly.   The car companies in Germany are the biggest employers and they do not screw around.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:35 | 5244179 espirit
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It's personal this time around.

Everybody will be sitting in the cold and dark freezing their asses off.

Bad for politics.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 17:04 | 5244565 SeattleBruce
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Gotta love Obama - all in with a pair of 3s...brilliant.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 17:00 | 5244552 Analyse2
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"The French and Germans don't want to freeze to death this winter,France is only importing 18% of its gas from Russia"

No, France is only importing 18% of its gas from Russia

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/can-europe-survive-without-russian-gas

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/gazprom-europe-we-own-you-least-until-2016

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-02/europes-russian-connections

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 17:26 | 5244675 Analyse2
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As usual in ZH, when it is about the French, we'll surely have a firework of hateful comments and silly jokes, in place of the debates we are waiting for...

 

All this ugly disdain and nasty jokes come from the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003.

Since France refused to go to Iraq, American warmongers and neo-cons made French army look like cowards – as a punishment.

But History has proved the French were right, and that the WMD were only a dirty trick to serve as a pretext.

Nevertheless, the hate of American warmongers against France remains still there, well alive, even in ZH.

This stale hate still shows through "innocent good jokes" about the “surrender monkeys” and their white flags

As for the rest, the French can be proud of their Military History:

According to the British historian Niall Ferguson, since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10 times.

This makes France the most successful military power in European history - in terms of number of fought and won … The French have succeeded to conquer and guard the largest country in Europe. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France 

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:02 | 5243518 nope-1004
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+1.  Gotta test the arms somehow.  But, in French fashion, they always do a 180 degree flip and cower in the corner before it ends.

 

OR

 

This could be other nations realizing / hearing / being informed that an economic "change" is coming.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:16 | 5244112 Spastica Rex
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No 2, and being America's French poodle is even more cowardly.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:04 | 5243544 BobPaulson
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Too funny, either by mistake or on purpose you wrote Rafael instead of Rafale. Maybe there could be a whole wing of Ninja Turtle fighters.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:50 | 5243472 Winston Churchill
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Never thought I would ever agree with that sleazy fudgepacker about anything..

Truly, the world has gone fully insane.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:44 | 5243740 BlindMonkey
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He is like a broken clock, right twice a day.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:08 | 5243563 kchrisc
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“It’s not worth it to start a thermo-nuclear war because of Syria”.

Actually, being that I can speak fluent pol, and jive too, what Frank* is saying is, "Someone is going to have to give me more money before I back this."

If the powers to be think they need his backing and lies, they will reward him with a lucrative position or other. If they don't they will just ignore him. Key is that he won't become an impassioned advocate for not bombing Syria.

I.e. His above quoted exhortation is nothing more than a "I'm for-sale" message to the elites running the show.

An American, not US subject.

 

"Always about money and power."

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:42 | 5243730 chubbar
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Not sure if this was covered ealier but the CFR (mouthpiece for TPTB) is up to some political trickery (IMO). Stating the obvious in the hopes of staying relevant perhaps. They are backing off the idea that Russia is responsible for the Ukraine debacle.

"According to the prevailing wisdom in the West, the Ukraine crisis can be blamed almost entirely on Russian aggression. But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine's democratically elected and pro-Russian president, which he rightly labeled a coup, was the final straw. Putin's pushback should have come as no surprise. After all, the West had been moving into Russia's backyard and threatening its core strategic interests, a point Putin made emphatically and repeatedly. Elites in the United States and Europe have been blindsided by events only because they subscribe to a flawed view of international politics. They tend to believe that the logic of realism holds little relevance in the 21st Century, and that Europe can be kept whole and free on the basis of such liberal principles as the rule of law, economic interdependence, and democracy. But this grand scheme went awry in Ukraine. The crisis there shows that realpolitik remains relevant, and states that those who ignore it do so at their own peril." See the Foreign Affairs article (CLICK HERE).

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:14 | 5243588 Kirk2NCC1701
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In the Final Analysis, Turkey and the EU have too much to lose if they allow the US to bully them into declining the Silk Road 2.0.

The kind of wealth that this would/will generate for its participants, boggles even the Neocons' minds.  Which is why we have the bipolar attitudes and brinksmanship:  Tell Obola and his Handlers what they want/need to hear, and then do the opposite.  Sounds like they've learned well from the Fraudster-in-Chief.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:46 | 5243749 BlindMonkey
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Nothing like the opiate called money to sooth an angry populace.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:49 | 5244254 TeethVillage88s
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This shit is just too convenient, and I don't believe in coincidences.

Then you must not believe the US Reaction to 911, the resistance to Investigation & Commission to Instigate.

All the coincidences around 911, point to a false flag for the whole US Global War on Terrorism. Now with ISIS/ISIL & Al Qaeda showing the same organic origins as Mujaheddin... WTF. How can USA continue Expansive wars for figurative Hamburger Hills that can't be held & have no Strategic Value... with $17.7 Trillion in Federal Debt and operating not on budgets or working congress, working on continuing resolutions.

It is like we have kids in the US Congress & White House. We need to prosecute the Constitution hating War Mongers.

We spend $1 Trillion a year to keep our DOD Contractors happy and engaged around the world for a hidden strategy & hidden reasons... Why do we Fight? Because of A Coup in Washington DC.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:31 | 5243376 knukles
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OH  The Frogs Got Scared Yesterday with Some Rude Talking By ISIS?
Brave fucking souls them Frogs
A sternly worded letter and they fold their tents, go home under a white flag

Assholes Deluxe

Well, maybe a bit of Russian gas influence?

But no matter

All smell no cheese

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:31 | 5243389 onewayticket2
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i thought "community organizing" what his PRIMARY skillset?

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:01 | 5243534 IANAE
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different communities now vs then... 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:36 | 5243407 disabledvet
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ISA! ISA! ISA!

"I begin this speech by saying I do not know. But in not knowing the purpose is still to find out. We gain nothing by staying in the darkness...and indeed, maybe ISIL is not a threat at all! Having said that...

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:38 | 5243422 random999
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LOL what did you smoke today? Frogs? Are you refering to the french because they are on some french menues?

Are you also saying that they stopped attacking because they got afraid of ISIS?

thats pretty damn stupid boy.. pretty damn stupid..

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:52 | 5243480 Poundsand
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What does a French flag look like?  A white cross emblazened on a white backgroud.

Why did the Disneyland Paris experience some difficulties at the beginning?  Because every night after the fireworks, the French would surrender.

A man asks his companion, "What'sthe most common French espression?"  His friend scratches his head, shrugs his shoulders and replies, "I give up."

 

 

 

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:02 | 5243535 viahj
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ah, the 'ol French surrender jokes while the American people have surrendered to DC (debt slaves), Mexico (actual invasion) and China (consumerism).

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:07 | 5243558 Optimusprime
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And abandoned DC to British mayhem in 1813.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 19:26 | 5245097 TheReplacement
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Running away is not the same a surrendering.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:46 | 5244012 Freddie
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+100

At least the French will take to the streets.  USSA is a joke.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 16:50 | 5244521 Freddie
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The French have LePen who might get elected.  Who does the USA have?    Well if Rand Paul was like his dad then maybe we might have something.   I think Rand has already made his wailing wall trip.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:16 | 5243599 kchrisc
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I don't really care much for the French, however the idea that they surrender and haven't ever successfully defended Paris is a myth.

The French, after their pols and crats had abandoned the city, actually defended Paris successfully in 1914. They even used taxis to go to the front. If they had failed, WW I would have ended quite differently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_the_Marne

 

"I don't know about aliens, however about everything else the truth is out there."

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:21 | 5243901 Herd Redirectio...
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France has a better military tradition than Italy does...

Somehow Italy got all the credit for the Roman Empire, even though it was a great conglomerate of ethnicities and nations (who even knows squat about the Eastern Roman Empire?).

The Spaniards controlled southern Italy, the French had great influence in northern Italy, in the 1500s, and of course ze Germans and Swiss.  Austria (esp Tyrol) is the product of mixing by Germans and Italians.

Funny how similar the medieval history of Italy is to the fall of Rome.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 09:11 | 5246783 Analyse2
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@kchrisc

Right. But WWI also has been heavily dependent on the Battle of Verdun.

The Battle of Verdun was the longest and the bloodiest of the war, lasting from February 21, 1916 until December 18 of the same year. Many military historians consider Verdun the "most demanding" and the "greatest" battle in History. And France managed to defeat the Germans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:55 | 5244281 TeethVillage88s
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A white cross emblazoned on a white background.

I heard that is the same reason the USSR Broke Up and the Berlin Wall Came Down.

The Nazis paid the French Leadership in advance to surrender. and the CIA Paid Russian Leadership and Maybe East German Leadership to walk away and give up East Germany.

Coincidence? Same bride technique takes down the governments.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:55 | 5243498 moonman
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Back in the day the French under the rule of the Charlemagne Empire tried to take over the country that is now England. The flag of this army depicted a coat of arms that had frogs on it. This happened around the 800's, but people in England still call the French the slang term: frogs
Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:38 | 5243977 Lea
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Charlemagne's flag (banner, BTW. There were no flags back then) was emblazoned with an eagle and three lily flowers. No frog there, as you would have suspected if you knew something about heraldry. Frogs on a coat of arms, WTF???

Actually, the English call the French "frogs" because the French eat frog's legs, something the English could never stomach.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:41 | 5243989 JohninMK
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Two hundred years later the French suceeded, they were the Normans and it was 1066.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 19:52 | 5245176 TheReplacement
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Just like the modern French Foreign Legion, they had to import winners.  Normans=Northmen=Vikings.  That story gets pretty silly when you realize one northman took the crown from another northman who had just defeated yet a third northman just days before.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 12:12 | 5247722 Analyse2
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@TheReplacement

1) The first nationality in French foreign legion is French ...

2) The British lost the Hundred Years' War which lasted in fact 116 years (1337-1453). It ended by the French triumph and it was not with imorted winners ...

 

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:49 | 5243468 Freddie
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I hope any country's jets who F with Syria get an S-300 up their tailpipe.

These criminals are engaging in mass murder in Syria, Ukraine, Iraq and like they did in Libya.  Arab Spring and all those lies. Evil evil scum and the media goes along.  Unplug TV and Hollywood or you support it.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:42 | 5243994 JohninMK
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AFAIK Syria doesn't have its S-300s yet, the contract is on hold. But if the US pisses Russia off a bit more................

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:54 | 5244031 Freddie
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Ziad at Syrian Perspective seems to think the S-300s are there in Syria.

http://www.syrianperspective.com/

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 18:19 | 5244902 OhNo
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The TV programming has gone but im in full hollywood pirate mode.I so love spotting there bullshit,The Russians are the new bad guys.OhNo

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:34 | 5243382 El Oregonian
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Coalition?

How about just a "Sole-alition"... (new word)

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:37 | 5243412 disabledvet
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Been there...doing that.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:32 | 5243686 Boscovius
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Come on.  Somebody has to have a great Dune quote/reference for this one.  Has the Emperor at last turned his back on House Harkonnen?

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:43 | 5244212 g'kar
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"Release the Sardaukar!"

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:23 | 5243346 Winston Churchill
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Looks like Lavrov has been busy on the phone.

Go ahead punks and make my day.

Looks like Obozo is way out on that tree limb on his own.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:28 | 5243373 Dr Strangemember
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Think about it... if you were a leader of another country, would you stand behind and support Obama as a military leader?????   This guy is more than a clown and now you're seeing the world basically laughing at him and his efforts.

He's not even getting any support in his "War on Ebola" folly!  What a joke the US has become!  

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:37 | 5243383 NidStyles
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Which is why it's obvious with this turn that ISIS is a threat being used by the US government, and it seems nations no longer relying on the US for energy have to play the game of choosing which side is worse or better.  Russia with their demands, and the Zionists with their demands.. 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:37 | 5243413 Dr Strangemember
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Why not...  Nothing surprises me anymore.  (save for Oregon winning v Wash St over the weekend)

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:37 | 5243416 Osmium
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Sad but true.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:58 | 5243514 luckylongshot
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The problem seems to be an absolute refusal to learn from his past mistakes, dooming him to repeat them and losing him his allies.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:58 | 5244044 Freddie
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They are all criminals.  McCain, Kerry, Clintons, Bushes, Pelosi, Reid, Rubio, McCarthy who makes Boehner look like Churchill, the entire AIPAC in Congress.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 03:30 | 5246295 StychoKiller
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Apparently, "Community Organizer" mad skillz really don't scale well to anything larger than...a community!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:28 | 5243348 whirling tword ...
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We don't want to bomb IS anyway..... they're still useful in getting rid of Assad....   We'll just arm the FSA so they'll be really well armed to go after Assad.

FSA and IS can go after each other after the common enemy is gone.

Anybody notice that we use IS as both an enemy and ally?  WOW.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:33 | 5243397 Downtoolong
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Yea, I can hardly wait to hear about the random covert attack that takes out Assad, conducted by ISIS members who remarkably developed tactics identical to a team of U.S. Navy Seals.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:16 | 5243883 Bioscale
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There is no FSA. The fighters are the same, just the politics is a bit different. FSA is ISIS. FSA must have given support to ISIS or what it was before. The whole ISIS game is just a marketing stuff for USA TV NATION to accept another and bigger war.

US is sooo fucked.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:25 | 5243354 nmewn
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"I don't have a strategy yet."

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:34 | 5243395 knukles
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"Still don't.  Hey, quit with the harsh word, I'm workin' on it, OK?"

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:45 | 5243444 nmewn
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"FORE!"

(Heads up over there on the next fairway)

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:26 | 5243355 WTFUD
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A broad coalition against the US!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:50 | 5243771 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen phoneStar. I think "ZEE FRUNCH", wee wee, actually backed out because they were reading the hedge and got a feeling that the USSA "PEOPLE" like the ISIL and want to "JOIN" them to fight the "GREAT SATAN".

Yes USSA people it is not a "CRIME" to join ISIL.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:25 | 5243359 q99x2
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ISIS is part of Goldman Sachs. No country is going to bomb Goldman Sachs yet.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:28 | 5243365 youngman
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There is nothing more dangerous than going to war with a coward leading it...Obama will cut and run at the first sight of blood..or worse blame you for the failure

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:30 | 5243378 whirling tword ...
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It would be good if we quit poking the bear with a stick.

 

going after Syria = going after Iran = going after Russia = going after China

We're already in over our heads in Ukraine

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:35 | 5243405 knukles
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I'm starting to wonder if Dear Leader isn't French?

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:54 | 5243487 whirling tword ...
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If we get no coalition then, it may be able to give obama cover to not bomb syria.... we'll see.   The longer IS stays in Syria with well equipped allies, Assad will be toast....

But, the wildcard will be Putin... I can't imagine he's happy about any of this.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:18 | 5243887 TuPhat
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When you understand that all of this was planned to turn out just the way that it has, then you can begin to understand what 'they' are really after.  IS taking out Assad is just the start of it.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:29 | 5243372 Cangaroo.TNT
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The title is a little misleading.  The Germans didn't fold.  They never agreed to go along with this in the first place.  That the French folded is not surprising and hardly warrants a news story.  If it's any consolation to the Syrians, Iraqis, Pakistanis, et al, our government is fucking things up pretty well over here, too.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:35 | 5243398 agent default
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Who created them in the first place?  Now go send Hillary to clean up after her shit. 

On an unrelated story, Saudi Arabia purchased DF21 anti aircraft carrier missiles.  You don't suppose they are having thoughts on the whole situation, do you?

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:26 | 5243606 Kirk2NCC1701
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Send in Billary and Bush III.  Then we'll see what they're made of, before they try to act as pretenders to the POTUS office.

p.s. As I've said several times (and expect the Usual Plagiarizers to echo any time now), not getting the ISIS situation resolved... prevents the Qatar pipeline from getting laid.  This only helps Russia.  And, as I've also said several times, the smart business/'bithneth' move for Qatar is to link their lines into Iran (a really short distance!), and let it join their system to Russia, and from there to the EU, India and to China.  We're talking a total market of >4 Billion people.  This is a waaay bigger and sustainable biz model than 'Merica's MIC biz model.  And all sides know it too.  Tick, tock, Neo/Zio-Cons.  Adapt and live or don't adapt and perish.  Tick, tock.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:47 | 5243751 Winston Churchill
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A regiment of US marines could over run Qatar in a day.

The petrollar will die even faster if Qatar links up that pipeline to Iran.

Syria is the most valuable piece on the grand chessboard right now.Much more so

than Ukraine .

Fortune favors the bold, so Putin will win.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:09 | 5244084 Freddie
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Fortine favors the guy with a global pipeline network, SS-18 ICBMs, P-800 Yakhont aka Sunburn plus S300/400 and 500.  Plus some very good fighters that will grease that bloated MIC trash like the F-35 and F-22.

The USSA really does not want to get into a shooting war with Russia.   The elites don't care who's kids get killed in combat.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 18:43 | 5244958 king leon
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I think the main reason that most of the NATO countries have backed away from Syria is because of the S300 and Yakhont, the P-800 could give the US navy a real bad day at the office, just imagine Obama explaining  away 2 flat tops sat on the bottom of the Med.  

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:56 | 5244284 Freddie
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We're talking a total market of >4 Billion people. This is a waaay bigger and sustainable biz model than 'Merica's MIC biz model.

Yeah but Amerika has FaceBook, Pintrest, Twitter and a lot of other cool app companies.

We invented hash tags and selfies!

USSA! USSA!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/female-teachers-naked-selfie-pos...

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 17:19 | 5244632 the0ther
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Do not click. It's a trap!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:29 | 5243374 Dungholio
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Heads will roll!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:31 | 5243381 disabledvet
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As with "debt driven recoveries" there is no such thing as a "Private Army" either. Either you can deiliver the goods or you can't.

If Senator McCain says "no boots on the ground" that says to me "no boots on the ground." That would probably be coming straight from Central Command...but who really even knows there is a war even going on twelve years running now?

As Dr Soron said in Star Trek Generations "his heart just wasn't in it."

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:31 | 5243386 Ckierst1
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Hey, go for it!  We're exceptional and we have a special relationship with the Zeocons!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:32 | 5243387 StupidEarthlings
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This shit iz ctually kinda funny.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:31 | 5243388 youngman
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What really Pisses Obama off is that the Bushes put together coalitions....Obama no one wants to hang with him....they know he is weak...and will stab you in the back if he had to save his own political skin...who would want to be part of that team

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:36 | 5243409 knukles
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Damn, youngman, you hit a nerve if a serious 'Bammy supported to get that reddie!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:36 | 5243414 Quinvarius
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All they have to do is take one look at how Obama left Iraq hanging out to dry and they understand Obama cannot be trusted.  Obama thinks he is being slick.  He is not slick at all.  He is transparent, untrustworthy, and stupid.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:53 | 5243485 WTFUD
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@ Q. Just how the Banksters like their sock puppets.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:17 | 5243612 ncdirtdigger
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want to know if you can trust Obama? Ask Murbarak how that worked out for him.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:32 | 5243392 falak pema
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This is non-news in Europe, as both France and Germany (and UK) have said they have no mandate to go into Syria.

Hollande said it when he authorised on TV his reco/bombing of ISIS in Mossul, on "express demand" of Iraqi government as expressed in Bagdad meeting.

Needless to say no such demand emanates from Syrian govt. of Assad against ISIS at Raqqa! 

The french have told the US : You should have acted when the chemical outrage was hot. Now its too late as the Raqqa take-over by ISIS shows that Assad is not the worst enemy of West. France does not want to be labelled as "bypassing" the UN mandate when intervening in an act of aggression on foreign soil.

They have neither the support of local govt. nor of UN on this. 

Of course, the US admin.  is above such considerations.

Just like the greenback money printer, the FED, US MIC considers itself the last bulwark of western civilization as world policeman. 

Nice to be judge and party to prosecution ! 

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 18:23 | 5243540 whirling tword ...
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Hell, George Bush wanted to go into Syria in 2003... this has been on the agenda for a long time..... The chemical weapons and red lines thing not long ago and now IS is the new excuse.

The fact that nobody else is willing to go in will just play to arming IS's allies.

EDIT:  Hmmmm... not sure why the downvotes.... Bush almost went into Syria in 2003.... They decided not to.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/15/syria.usa

 

 

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 16:22 | 5244410 Freddie
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The french have told the US : You should have acted when the chemical outrage was hot.

It is a shame that the French did not point out that the chemical weapons smear against Syria was a lie and false flag.

Now its too late as the Raqqa take-over by ISIS shows that Assad is not the worst enemy of West.

Assad and the Syrian army care more about the Syrian people then Obama and the Pentagon will ever care about the Amerian people.

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:33 | 5243396 atthelake
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IS is a very radical Arab terrorist group but they have only killed Arabs. They have never gone after Israel. Why?

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:35 | 5243408 youngman
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Their goal is the Arab world first...get it back to the 13th century with Sharia law...kill the infidels inside first...then send a 20 million man army to Israel to kill it off...

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:40 | 5243426 Winston Churchill
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From your mouth to Allah's ears.

Insh'allah.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:05 | 5243543 NOTW777
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"Gog and Magog - to gather for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched accross the breadth of the earth and surround the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them."

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:05 | 5243545 NOTW777
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"Gog and Magog - to gather for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched accross the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them."

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:17 | 5243608 tony wilson
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youngman was that shit sarc?

if not iassume you are a yahudi or dumb as a bunch of rocks

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:08 | 5243853 youngman
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Dumb but not stupid.....I just know what the true believers want....they want the world...period....now its up to us to stop them from getting it...and that requires a little blood....in fact it will require a lot of blood before the West finally decides to do something...Wait on the Pope..when he turns then the world will turn...

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:37 | 5243968 Winston Churchill
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The true believers are  useful idiots.

Same as it ever was.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:33 | 5243399 OldFahrtyPants
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Ah but wait till ISIS get to the Saudi oilfields, then those Autobahns will get a bit quiet...

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 17:17 | 5244630 MKD
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Not really.isis sells its oil for 42 dollars a barrel.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:33 | 5243402 laomei
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Bbbbut, what about the new endless war?

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:37 | 5243419 knukles
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The war in the east goes well I hear, Smedley.  Bloody good, wot?

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:33 | 5243404 Quinvarius
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Why would anyone take any risk helping Obama after he just got his way on funding them with another 500 million?  All he is doing is bombing what he thinks are some some splinter groups of whatever demonfest he created over there.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:35 | 5243406 Volaille de Bresse
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Wait until tomorrow. Hollande will sing another tune...

He's TOTALLY clueless. By comparison Obama seems like Julius Caesar...

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:39 | 5243421 knukles
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That's cruel

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:36 | 5243411 Dr. Engali
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France folds.... Lol. There's something they are good at doing.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:38 | 5243424 carbonmutant
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Community organizers in action....

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:42 | 5243428 F0ster
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The US has become totally friggin neutered through our politicians abuse of the global reserve currency. They should all (even the retired ones) be tried for treason when the US collapses during the next stock market sell off.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:47 | 5243434 ekm1
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A lot more than that.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/09/22/obama-defends-goldman-sachs-der...

 

Obama and Bank Lobby want Europe to be the sacrificial lamb on derivatives

They are refusing

 

Bank lobby has gone suicidal and soon will be slaughtered

Europe is simply siding with Pentagon against Bank Lobby

 

As @lawofphysics says:

 

GUILLOTINES

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 16:02 | 5244315 TeethVillage88s
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Maybe the US Military Believes in Truth, liberty & the American Way. It would be nice if they discovered they had some power to keep the Homeland Strong, Honest, Full of Integrity and Sound Banking.

Weakness:

- Stewardship of US Petro Dollar
- Stewardship of Global Banking System
- Control, Monitoring, Detecting Problems, Risks, Vulnerabilities with USD Denominated Financial Instruments
- Regulation, Enforcement of Rules & Laws, Strengthening of US Corporations, Accounting Rules, Financial Rules, and Auditing of US Publicly Held Corporations

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:44 | 5243435 joego1
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Maybe it's time for Obama to go on MSM and admit that the U.S. totally fucked up north africa and the middle east. Now it's time toquit meddling in everyones business over there and  for me to earn my nobel peace award by not bombing anyone for atleast a month. It will be hard but maybe I can quit smoking at the same time.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:47 | 5243457 Smiley
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President Jarret is not discouraged.  She will dutifully write more anecdotes and platitudes for her sock puppet to read before the ministry of truth.  Resistance is futile:  Be it ordained by the council of elites.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:49 | 5243463 the grateful un...
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the neocons get to run foreign policy twelve years of every sixteen assuming they get into the WH every other time. the Democrat potus always shifts position in the second term. what would Hitlery do? green arrow for respect the coalition process, red arrow for unilateral action

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:55 | 5243500 sosoome
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Red Line: foiled.

Back door to Syria: foiled.

Plan C: Let Hillary take care of it...she has bigger balls anyway..."fore!"

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:31 | 5243676 Winston Churchill
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It can't wait on Hitlery.

The RoW may not be ready for a reset, but they will move now anyway on the grounds there will

never be a weaker POTUS ,or is it POS, in the White house.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:00 | 5244055 Lea
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"Plan C: Let Hillary take care of it...she has bigger balls anyway..."fore!""

Beware. A bad woman can be quite a lot worse than a bad man. If she gets in power, Americans could be in for a nasty ride.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:57 | 5243505 pashley1411
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After a few centuries of marching around the global, looks like the standard European imperialists have decided not to play the next hand.  

Obama should have asked the one country with the money and wherewithal to join in, but the phone call to Li probably wasn't returned.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 12:56 | 5243506 kchrisc
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Looks like Europe realizes that bombing ISIS will really be bombing their gas supplier Russia's ally Syria.

I guess Greater Israel will only have their DC US stooges' blood and treasure at their disposal.

An American, not US subject.

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:03 | 5243539 demoses
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CIA should work full time to start a false flag in Europe. Something that will "convince" the krauts/frogs to join their campaign... Oh in my first sentence I said "should" -> my bad! I ment to say "are". Silly me!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:04 | 5243542 Snoopy the Economist
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It's ok...We'll always have Belgium.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:07 | 5243556 talisman
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why not ask Netanyahu to help with airstrikes??

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:21 | 5243628 tony wilson
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netanyahoo has never heard of isis

isis has never heard of nuttyyahoo

isis has never heard of israel.

even when isis drugged addicted rapists are being patched up in israel it is all a dream they do not know where they are or who is looking after them.

isis has know position on israel

isreal has no position on isis

it is all just a talmudic dream within an aipac dream

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:08 | 5243561 ClowardPiven2016
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French journalist beheading in 3...2...1...

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:09 | 5243567 tony wilson
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poland should go in along with israel these genetically challenged freaks deserve to be buried into the syrian dirt.

the above statement is in know way anti semetic as i love to make love to jewish girls especially ones in the idf polish girls can also do better than the rather shit men in that apple over run cuntry.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:14 | 5243594 rickster
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We just need to let it all go in the Middle East and let other countries take over our (USA) foreign
policy in that neck of the woods and see where it all goes-PERIOD!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:21 | 5243632 Downtoolong
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O.K., here’s the plan. We’ll start spreading rumors that ISIS fighters in Syria are even more moderate than moderate rebel fighters in Syria. When they all run to IS regions in Iraq to escape the shame of not being a serious terrorist, then we’ll bomb them.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 16:16 | 5244377 TeethVillage88s
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Right we need a marketing event to draw them some place. Then Boom.

- Cash for Clunkers?
- EBT Cards if you can prove you haven't been receiving a check?
- Earned income Tax Credit
- Jobs with Halliburton, Dyncorp, Northrup Grumman
- Job Fair in Mosul?
- Free Ancestry Printout to determine if they are related to Royalty
- Sign Up Day at the Sports Arena for New Social Security Program
- Obama Care sign Up at Mosul Sport Area or Soccer Field

- Free Transportation to Bahrain the Ultimate Tourist Destination with paid expenses

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 03:44 | 5246306 StychoKiller
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What, no "motor-voter" registration?? Try again! :>D

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:25 | 5243651 OpTwoMistic
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Anyone know if O is bomber qualified.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:34 | 5243693 Tenshin Headache
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"It's your mess, you clean it up."

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 13:56 | 5243802 basho
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what gives?

the french aren't that smart.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:06 | 5243838 Lea
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"the fact that Germany and France have denied the US leaves them instead sided with Russia's perspective on Syria and ISIS, as "there are deep concerns that the U.S. will bomb not only ISIS positions in Syria, but also the Syrian government forces."

It's not a matter of that. Of course everybody knows full well ISIL is only a pretext to oust Assad. Trouble is, it would mean a war with Russia. The French and the Germans may be dumb and corrupt, but they're not mad.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 17:10 | 5244590 Barbarossa296
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I'm so pleased that my former fatherland has finally said "no" to the country that's been occupying it for nearly 70 years.  Now that France is also joining them perhaps Konrad Adenauer's dream of an independent union of France and Germany may not be so far fetched after all - naaah!

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:13 | 5243875 fishwharf
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Vive la France !

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:27 | 5243927 Telemakhos
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But, they're okay with bombing ISIS in Iraq. http://www.france24.com/en/20140919-france-first-air-strike-iraq-islamic-state-rafale-depot/

So it's not bombing that's the problem, it's Syria.  After all, it would suck to lose those arms contracts with Russia if something unfortunate were to happen to the Russian-friendly government of Syria or Russia's warm-water port there.

Can't someone just give the Russians a base in Cyprus so Syria can go away?

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:29 | 5243938 Eahudimac
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This is an interesting development. Behind the push to bomb Syria is Israel, of course. Many of the politicians of France are vehemently zionist. The current prime minister, Manuel Valls, is a puppet of Israel zionists like Obama. The French people are more awake to this than the US people, which isn't saying much. Dieudonne Mbala Mbala must be having an effect over there. Good for the French. To me this says that the zionists days are numbered. At this point, I would be surprised if the USA actually carries out anything more than a few drone strikes against some wedding parties and schools. The world is finally standing up to the USA and Israel and their made-up bullshit ISIS story. Now if they would just dump their treasuries we can get on with the overthrow.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:38 | 5243976 pcrs
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They demonstrated their Raphael fighter which is now combat proven, so can be sold.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:40 | 5243984 bid the soldier...
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Does this mean we have to eat 'Freedom Fries" again?   Ick.

 

Here's what really happened.  This story from September 12, 2014, was deconstructed by the enlightened foreign ministries of Western Europe and today we see the results of their work.

China offers Russia 'helping hand' in dealing with external challenges

 

PUBLISHED ON SEP 12, 2014 11:23

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/east-asia/story/china-offers-russi...

 

That would be a helping hand with two trillion busy fingers


 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:40 | 5243986 Fuku Ben
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There goes that French credit rating

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 14:59 | 5244048 lesterbegood
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Must have been the curse of Obama blessing?

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:17 | 5244109 gcjohns1971
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DUH!

People seem to be hoodwinked into believing that bombing ISIS is a US priority in some kind of battle against Russia.  The opposite is true.  It is Assad that Europe & US want to target, not ISIS.

HELLO! GOOD MORNING! Have a cup of Coffee and WAKE UP!

Actually, Obummer is looking to bomb ANYONE HE CAN to distract the booboisie from what is really going on.  Bombing ISIS in Syria with the administration's left hand, while arming them with his right hand is schizophrenic for Obummer.

Assad of Syria is Russia's ally, the reason why the Qatar-Syria pipeline has not been completed, and the enemy of ISIS.

Germany and France's are already buying energy from ISIS.  Germany and France's Gas concerns with Russia largely go away ISIS is EFFECTIVE in Syria.  THEY WANT ISIS TO WIN IN SYRIA.

They do not want to help Assad, Russia's ally, and the individual responsible for the failure of the Qatar-Syria pipeline.

Bombing ISIS HELPS RUSSIA.  It does not hurt it!

 

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:30 | 5244159 bid the soldier...
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Bombing ISIS HELPS RUSSIA.

 

You must tell us why, when you get a moment.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 16:22 | 5244405 Duude
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Because Assad is fighing ISIS and Russia backs Assad.

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:17 | 5244116 sidiji
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Give obama a rifle and tell him its a golf club...we'll win in nothing flat

Mon, 09/22/2014 - 15:25 | 5244141 Ivan Nokabolokov
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Lots wife was told not to look back or she would be turned into a pillar of salt I seem to remember reading.

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