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Jack Ma: If You're Poor At 35, You Deserve It
Submitted by Zach Ho via VulcanPost.com,
You are poor because you have no ambition.
Jack Ma: Before I founded Alibaba, I invited 24 friends to my house to discuss the business opportunity. After discussing for a full two hours, they were still confused — I have to say that I may not have put myself across in a clear manner manner then. The verdict: 23 out of the 24 people in the room told me to drop the idea, for a multitude of reasons, such as: ‘you do not know anything about the internet, and more prominently, you do not have the start-up capital for this’ etc etc.
There was only one friend (who was working in a bank then) who told me, “If you want to do it, just try it. If things don’t work out the way you expected it to, you can always revert back to what you were doing before.” I pondered upon this for one night, and by the next morning, I decided I would do it anyway, even if all of the 24 people opposed the idea.
When I first started Alibaba, I was immediately met with strong opposition from family and friends. Looking back, I realised that the biggest driving force for me then was not my confidence in the Internet and the potential it held, but more of this: “No matter what one does, regardless of failure or success, the experience is a form of success in itself.” You have got to keep trying, and if it doesn’t work, you always can revert back to what you were doing before.
As with this quote by T.E. Lawrence – “All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream in the dark recesses of the night awake in the day to find all was vanity. But the dreamers of day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, and make it possible.”
Jack Ma: People lose out in life because of these 4 reasons:
- Being myopic to opportunity
- Looking down on opportunities
- Lacking understanding
- Failing to act quickly enough
You are poor, because you have no ambition.
Ambition is living a life of great ideals; a magnificent goal in life that must be realised.
In this world, there are things that are deemed unfathomable, but there is nothing in this world that cannot be done. The depth of one’s ambition determines the potential of one’ future.
By way of example:
The Story of Juliet Wu Shihong – one of China’s first-generation professional managers, who gained success by working her way up the ranks from a cleaner, a nurse, a marketing executive, through self-education and learning on the job.
She had been the general manager for the world’s most famous multinational IT groups’ Chinese branches (Microsoft 1985-1998; IBM 1998-1999). She is also China’s first successful international corporate executive to join the executive team of a domestic private firm. Wu was seen as a symbol of the new generation of business executives that China has produced in its economic reform and opening-up.
When Wu started off in a big company working from the lowest ranks, her daily job was to pour tea and sweep floors. Once, because she forgot her staff pass, the company’s guard stopped her at the door and denied her entry. She explained to the guard that she was indeed one of the company’s employees, and that she had merely left the building for a short while to purchase office supplies.
Despite her pleas, the guard still did not allow to enter. As she stood at the gate, she watched as those of similar age to her, but smartly dressed in business attire walking through without having to show their passes.
She asked the guard, “Why are these people allowed through without producing a pass?” The guard dismissed her coldly nonetheless.
That was the turning point for Wu – she felt great shame, her self-esteem trampled on.
She looked at herself, dressed in shabby clothes and pushing a dirty push cart. Looking back at those dressed in smart attire, her heart felt a deep ache from the sudden realization of the sorrow and grief from being discriminated. From that moment, she vowed never to allow herself to be shamed like this again, and to become world-famous.
Since then, she used every opportunity to enrich herself. Every day, she was the first to arrive at work, and the last one to leave. She made every second count, spending her time learning the ropes. Her efforts soon paid off; she was made a sales representative, and quickly progressed to being the regional general manager of this multinational company in China. Wu did not possess strong academic qualifications, and was revered as the ‘Queen of Part-timers’. Subsequently, she assumed the position of GM of IBM China. This is the Wu Shihong, the heroine in China’s business circle.
If not for the incident, Wu Shihong would not have had the ambition to become rich, and her life would have taken a very different path then.
Lessons...
- You are poor because you do not have the desire to become successful.
- You are poor because you lack foresight.
- You are poor because you cannot overcome your cowardice.
- You are poor because you lack the courage and determination.
- With ambition you can overcome all inferiority and maximise your potential!
- With ambition you can persevere, continuously learn new things and strive for perfection.
- With ambition you can defy all odds, and create miracles when others daren’t.
No matter how poor your family is, do not doubt your own abilities and lose sight of your ambition.
- When your family deems you worthless, no one will pity you.
- When your parents do not have money to pay the medical bills, no one will pity you.
- When you are beaten by your competitors, no one will pity you.
- When your loved ones abandon you, no one will pity you.
- When you have not accomplished anything by the time you are 35, no one will pity you.
Go big, or go home. Otherwise, you’re wasting your youth.
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I hope he is a student of history, in this case, the 1990's. The era that created internet millionaires and billionaires with many wealthy beyond belief on paper. So many jobs created during that time, attributed to the luckiest dude on earth, Bill Clinton. Yet before he left office and the year 2000 came along the Nasdaq had been cut in half and continue to lose another 80% afterwards. 95% of those new companies and their uber rich founders along with all the employment worth trillions on paper were only temporary entities with temporary jobs. The companies were bankrupt, the employees were jobless and most stockholders living quite large at the time were left wondering WTF as they were suddenly broke as they stubbornly refused to turn paper profits into reality many doing so in order to avoid paying taxes on all those "profits". Profts that turned into losses and luckily for them, their biggest worry, paying taxes ended up being unfounded concerns. Whew!!
They dodged that bullet as did Clinton being few seem to remember the entire history of that wonderful economy and all those temporary jobs he is still credited for creating. Also disappearing was that mythical notion of balanced budgets and zero deficits as the accounting assumed revenues that never materialized. Well at least he did get all that tobacco money from the groundbreaking lawsuits. Anyone know whatever happened to all the funds from that historic fine? Now that the government is again engaged in historic fines it would be kind cool if there was a detailed trail of what happens with all that money.
I was LMFAO when I first saw jack ma. I can't take this guy seriously he looks like a chinese gollum.
Whether you live to work or work to live you still crap yourself when the dmt kicks in.
Even if everyone had every one of the attributes listed above, they couldn't all be billionaires could they? There have to be a huge number of "have nots" for each "have".
Since when?
This guy( Jack Ma) looks like the chief 'Umpa Lumpa' from the chocolate factory... When you look like the Chinese version of Frankenstein, I can't imagine you have much of a night life.
All that cash should buy him a nice entourage now.
i have something to say but 20 or 30 something of you zh's beat me to it. btw, most of you say it better than i can.
Maybe not!
Go and explain that to people working in sweatshops or in mineral mines somewhere. Sure, the people in this example are ambitious but they were not born in a civil war torn place in Africa with rampant murder, rape and other crimes.
What about the Americans of the 1770's -1780's, 1812-1814, 1860 - 1877, etc.?
You mean the Americans are exceptional? Cause that is what this guy thinks of himself as well. Sure, there is something to be admired: they made it to the top. But they would be more admirable if they were modest about it and go easy on the 'exceptionality thing'. For every person that makes it to the top there are a 1,000 or 10,000 that don't while they were just as ambitious, bright and what have you as they are. But somewhere they had bad luck, made a otherwise good decision at a unforeseeable bad moment or had their factory wiped out by a hurricane. Cause life is not linear and is arbitrary and random. And at one moment you can't make it big anymore without doing shady deals, make compromises or abuse people. Some of the Americans you talk about did exactly that: they made a successful business but they first had to wipe out the natives and bring the black folk from Africa to do their dirty work. Get my point?
And there are plenty of 35 years old who made it big otherwise: they save lives, cure diseases, bring happiness to people's lives, etc. One can be financially poor but emotionally rich. But in a world where happiness is increasingly tied to money that doesn't count for a lot of folk. And that leads to neurosis, depression and what have you.
Who says he's referencing only making money? Who needs to believe he is only referencing money?
Ahhh fuck..i'm screwed..should have listened to this asshole...
He was very poor at 35!
He's right. Everyone over 35 should be rich if they try. Forget the taking averages and then concluding that everyone over 35 has average income and net worth. Guys like this go to show that luck plays a huge factor in success.
Hey Jack, what if the opportunity I see involves going short?
My lack of ambition has saved me a small fortune in this central bank fueled world.
Does it seem like someone is trying desperately to maintain the BABA share price above $90 today?
I can see the headlines next year:
“Jack Ma goes broke buying back BABA shares in failed attempt to maintain market cap above Amazon and eBay”.
“Chinese psychoanalysts urge youth to be ambitious, but, not overly ambitious.”
Lol, this guy sounds like any other crazy Chinese dude (RE psychoanalysis) who just happened to succeed and now he can spout off the rules of success with great confidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Ayn Rand's son.
Very perceptive Falak!
Tuco
I hope Jesus comes back so he can punch this guy right in the fucking face
Ya' might want to read or re-read the good book! Jackie quotes directly from it!
HOGWASH.. That stupidity (both the remark and the ideal) "If You're Poor At 35, You Deserve It" is based on the erroneous mindset that that to be rich and powerful is the ultimate aim of the human experience. Mmm, not a shred of humility there.
In fact it promotes all the bad stuff.. doing whatever it takes to get to the to of the heap... not the way I want to live. While getting ahead and bettering ourselves IS a good thing... promoting narcissistism, pathological, megalomaniac is hardly the way to go. I mean, case in point, Look at what we got in the White House now... maybe (maybe but doubtful) he started out with good intentions.. but turned into one of the most bought off America stabbing, Constitution stomping assholes of our time.
He just wanted to golf all day and eat cheeseburgers on Air Force One. Who knew there was all the other shit to deal with.
Only a communist, who was propped up by the elites in his country would say shit like this.
But we all deserve that house before the age of 30. We need the vacations. We have to have the toys. The shopping mall is my second home. I work at texting. Plant that garden - no way thats work. on and on
All the things that get in the way of your own success - cry my a river if you are now 50 and broke.
'Being broke is a temporary situation. Being poor is a state of mind.'
- Mike ToddGuillotine Bait
too afraid to stick out your own neck, take a shot, work for it - asshole thinking that killing the successful is the answer.
Do 'de name Marie Antoinette (Begonia) mean anything to ya' ?
Is it just me or is that the shittiest looking 200 billion dollar web site on earth?
It's going to be a good day when they chop his fucking head off.
The broke folk in Ferguson are lazy and deserve to get shot down by the po po.
A so-called minority like Jack Ma makes it over the wall, chop his head off.
LOL
Get out of that basement and pick up that shovel. You forget what it takes to achieve the American dream. Or I guess its not what socialist fairness is about - you have to bring down the successful.
"You forget what it takes to achieve the American dream."
I bet Spotted Elk didn't forget...
If you do not hustle, I can understand it.
If you are not favored by the Communist Party of the PRC, I can understand it.
What a fucking asshole. So Mother Theresa was the worlds biggest loser. He may be rich but he is one fucking ugly troll. Like beyond ugly and his ugliness inside shows too
He forgot to mention nepotism got him 90% of the way to his 'great success.' Good point on Mother Theresa too. This guy's a schmuck.
What a fucking asshole. So Mother Theresa was the worlds biggest loser. He may be rich but he is one fucking ugly troll
You have no idea of how much money Mother Theresa raised - she was the picture of success in all her efforts - and worked her behind off.
and I think she was a very beautiful person you small minded a-hole - its not all about looks.
Don't think he's sayin' that! I suspect he wud agree that MT had tremendous ambition, vision & determination as was beyond successful in her chosen field. Mr. Ma is all about the sin of sloth, envy & laziness. i.e. Don't complain about the lack of your lack of achievement if u don't get off yur butt and doin' something about it! A story as old as mankind! And it's funny how few billionaires are lookers!? And even weirder how most of the billionaries are about givin' their $$$ away!!!
when the system is set up so you have few choices- work within this system and become successful or get out and become self-sufficient. Ma climbed up in a society that was more stacked against him that anyone in this country.
Ain't that the truth!
What are you, his fucking agent?
Typical attitude of an "easy money" generation. If not for luck and timing, he'd be shoveling dung with the rest of his fellow plow-sharers - and his disdain for the "lazy underclass" would be turned into lamentations against the wealthy overlords who have governed his ascendency to the top of his silly bubble.
In short, a PIKER! His hubris will pop with the valuation of his "great accomplishment".
Highly doubtful. In an open and free economy my bet is this dude rings it up! In a closed central control authoritarian environment maybe not? This dude ain't no overnight success. It just seems that way!
I think the new road to success has more to do with checking your horsesense, morality and honor at the door Jack.
If you're rich at 35, you don't deserve it.
-chairman ma(o)
Bingo! Best quote of the year! Yur just lucky u thought of it! :(
"Every Economist must grasp the truth; 'incredible irony grows out of the barrel of my butt.'"
-chairman ma(o)
;)
Hahaha...And this guy looks like he's of 60 years......Money does not create happiness....
It's always the blame the other guy game. Taking personal responsibility is the tougher choice.
Sadly that's a fact! Not a good sign!
Alibaba is one big scamfest. I believe 50% of the suppliers are fake.
Research the horror stories. Most people that I have spoke with have lost time and money trying to do business with Chinese suppliers; not all Alibaba suplliers/vendors are from china, but most are.
SH
It would be the biggest X 10,000!
What does that say about the investors and clients - buyer beware
and the chairman tried to kill all the entrepreneurs in the country to maintain power. Even the Chinese realized that all for one and one for all did not motivate the lazy.
It's always heartwarming to get advice like this from a Billionaire and his ilk.
Only one with the balls to call it like it is! The 'subsidized' billionaires lay low!
My cousin probably thinks like Jack Ma. She's a director in a City firm but she is fucking soulless. Completely in it for herself and screw everyone else. Even giving advice to a family member or friend, or simply passing on a CV would be anathema to her. Nope, it's like "I got here on my own and you will do likewise" (even though of course she didnt get there on her own, she had plenty of help!)
Good advice. Sexy too!
(even though of course she didnt get there on her own, she had plenty of help!)
Didn't Obama say something like that......?
There is little incentive to earn, when earnings are taxed.
If you act like sheep you deserve to be shorn. Get out and get involved - vote and defend the Constitution.
We are in a IPO bubble.
If you're poor at 35, you don't have as much sex.
No wonder he admires Forest Gump.
Jokes on him. I didn't even realise I was poor until I was 42.
Very interesting to read this thread. Hardly anybody has touched on the possibility that some of us don't want to be rich- in fact I am quite happy being relatively poor. So it is assumed, I suppose, that we are to covet Jack- his vast intelligence, his vast ego, and his vast lack of humility.
A couple of observations. Rarely, have I ever seen someone with great wealth say something like- I don't deserve this or I simply got lucky or being rich is actually a giant pain n the ass. Instead, the ultra rich are quite boastful, think of themselves as superior to everyone else, and then acquire a messiah complex- well if I quit eating shark fin soup- I will save the planet. That's what God, Allah, or whatever else designed. Think Al Gore and saving the planet from global warming. Think Bill Gates and his pledge to give away half of his wealth to the "underprivileged." Think Warren Buffett's, the Oracle of Omaha, who has a God bestowed opinion on everything.
I am in awe at the lack of conscious thought, lack of humility, and the vast assumption that we all want to be like them.
So do I have to be an asshole to be rich? It's not required but it certainly helps.
This kind of advice deliberately ignores that money is measurement backed by murder, and taking advantage of economic "opportunities" inside of the established social pyramid systems means working hard to drive social polarization and destruction of the natural world. Scrambling up the levels of the established social pyramid systems only makes them overall become worse, not better! Since the monetary systems are EVIL ENFORCED FRAUDS, making "money" inside of those systems drives the human species towards committing collective suicide, as attempting to privatize the planet is tending to kill it!
Born like this
Into this
Into these carefully mad wars
Into the sight of broken factory windows of emptiness
Into bars where people no longer speak to each other
Into fist fights that end as shootings and knifings
Born into this
Into hospitals which are so expensive that it’s cheaper to die
Into lawyers who charge so much it’s cheaper to plead guilty
Into a country where the jails are full and the madhouses closed
Into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes"
— Charles Bukowski
brilliant.
If you have very little at 35 your an asshole.....having alot more at 35 just makes you a bigger asshole......
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/Stock/BABA?countrycode=US
Why is the P/E and EPS off by a factor of ten?
He's going to be poor at 50 when the market collapses.
The truth hurts.
Judging by the haters replying, he struck a very truthful chord.
In an opulent society that exists in the modern world, where the poor live beter than kings and pharaohs of old did.......the tendency to become socialist, with collective responsibility and individual freedoms and rights to the community largess......this is what you get.
The only thing one has to do is NOT fuck their lives up completely in their 20s. Just get through the 20s broke but intact.
The 30s is when you should be launching.
Get a clue millinials. And stop voting for those that promise you other people's shit for free in return for your support. That ship won't ever be coming in.
Maybe you should ask yourself why it's so "opulent" Dingleberry, and whether that's a good thing in the long run for the rest of us on the planet. Get back to selling your GMO candybars. They should be launching a revolution in their TWENTIES so they can hope to live as long as you.
9/11 was an inside job.
Which part didn't you 'dislikers' like?
A) First part
B) Second part
C) Both parts
D) My implication that lying dead in the mud without your bodyparts at 4 years old may not be exactly a "beter" life than "the kings and pharaohs of old..."?
Yeah, I made a similar point just above, Salsipeudes. I have lots of ambition, but NOT to become "successful" inside of a political economy dominated by enforced frauds, which is strip-mining the planet as fast as possible!
For rich, old people, keeping their system going until they die may make sense. However, for poor young people, their future is fucked, because there is NO long term plan regarding getting "rich" on the basis of the established social pyramid system making "money" out of nothing to "pay" for strip-mining the planet! The younger you are, the more you are being lied to, cheated and robbed by the political system you were born into, whereby "money" is made out of nothing as debts in order to "pay" for turning natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible. GETTING "RICH" INSIDE THAT SYSTEM IS BASED ON RUNAWAY ENFORCED FRAUDS, WHERE THE THE LONGER THE TERM ONE LOOKS INTO THE FUTURE, THE WORSE THE PROBABLY CONSEQUENCES BECOME!
There are no reasonable doubts that those are the FACTS, while those who do not like those FACTS will surely continue to deliberately ignore THAT. After all, the basic problem is that the political economy in China is creating even more "money" out of nothing than the USA, to "pay" for what they are doing, which has NO longer term plan, since there is NO good plan for what to do after the natural resources are high-graded to hell.
P.S.
Of course, 9/11 was an inside job, and here is a recent link regarding how and why the monetary system can not be separated from the military system:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/21/making-you-an-agent-of-the-state/
Making You an Agent of the State
By Preston James, September 21, 2014.
Ever since the First Gulf War, US Government Institutions hijacked by City of London Rothschild controlled World Zionists have been doing everything feasible to create as many “Agents of the State” in America as possible. ...
The folks who control the US Government (USG) and the Major Mass media have created and dispensed a phony, Big Lie “War on Terror Narrative” to transform as many Americans into Agents of the State as possible. Those who refuse to become “Agents of the State” and speak out against the USG, Homeland Security, the Patriot Act or the National Defense Authorization Act in any way will or express unhappiness with the Militarization of the American Police become officially labelled Domestic Terrorists, potential Domestic Terrorists and will be treated as “Enemies of the State.” ...
This “War on Terror” Narrative is perhaps the Greatest Psyop ever in the History of the World and was designed to make you and everyone else in America an Agent of the State, their State since they hijacked America in 1913. And since they deployed their 9/11/01 Gladio-style, inside-job, False-Flag attack with the help of a select set of Dual and Triple Citizen Traitors, Traitors in the JCS, USAF, NORAD and the FAA, they have been pulling out all the stops to inculcate the phony narrative of the War on Terror in as many naive American dupes as possible.(1)
In order to fully understand this Massive Psyop, the Phony War on Terror False Narrative Big USG Lie, it is necessary to ask and answer many questions about what it is comprised of. But first folks must understand that the Major Mass media has been hijacked as in your enemy, a major Mind-kontrol tool promoting Secret Shadow Government Psyops against you and the American people, designed to take away all your Constitutional Rights in this phony, synthetic War on Terror. ...
Essentially all Americans are being forced to make a choice, either become an Agent of the State, or you will be considered an Enemy of the State. ... The War on Terror Narrative is designed to bifurcate the American People into two groups: Potential and actual Enemies of the State and “True Believers” in this Phony War on Terror narrative ...
I'm starting a bodyguard company.
People like this make the best customers.
Let me know when they're "launching" so I can get the fuck out of the way...
It isn't a case of be like Jack Ma, or ask for other people's shit for free as the only two choices.
One can choose to work enough to pay the bills, not be greedy, not go into debt, live modestly, and have a very rich and full life.
Those of you, and you are in this group, that only equate success with money, there isn't really much to discuss. You have a value that others don't, and you thnk others are socialist, irresponsible losers.
The fact is that I came to the conclusion that people like you are losers, they simply don't know it.
I have nothing that you want, but what you don't realise is that you have nothing that I want as well.
Enjoiy your life. I don't want it, I don't envy you, and I don't want your money. I have better things to do.
Cheers.
He sounds like any fascist dictator of the past 100 years.
And he looks like Pol Pot... the crooked CUNT..!
"Ah...I've been waiting for you, Mr. McGarrett!"
That's old news.
Classic neoliberal perception. Tends to end obsolete. As if we all have the chance to be rich. How on earth could all get rich in the absence of inequality? In the capitalist world some people are rich exactly because the majority is poor. In today's global neoliberal dictatorship - far from classic capitalism - with the banking parasites on top, inequality drives the system in order the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer continuously. Got it Jack?
Hey Jack, this is for you. Take a taste what it means to be poor:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/linda-tirado-poverty-hand...
By the way, if you get rich at 36 or 40, you don't deserve it? Don't bother to answer. it doesn't matter.
I think you have to take it in context, this guy is no Donald, Tony or that other asshole making millions on Sundays.
Just wait until the dollar implodes.
We’ll read about all the Asians laughing at us. “Go work in the field, make us cheeseburger, you poor American! We need onion, do it again!”
They've been laughing for a long time now.
I don't think so. They have no energy to fuel (oil, gas) their industry. They have to rely on import for fuel. Meanwhile, the USA will probably go into depression for a while but will be able to recover slowly because we can still produce fuel. Manufacturing will slowly return once protectionism is imposed after collapse. Afterall; the founding fathers of this nation were protectionist. As George Washington said beware of foriegn alliances.
Protectionism is not what the Founders meant. Protectionism and tariffs is isolationist. Founders meant no UN and ZATO- like things. Tariffs only raise prices domestically and in zero sum fashion benefit crony businesses. The problem is not liberalization of trade; the problem is the petrodollar has numbed many here from the reality that they are living beyond their means, and foreigners keep this mentality that the world 'needs' USD to facilitate trade when the dollar is the biggest drag on actual sound trade where goods and services are traded for goods and services, not fiat.
Does he say what you deserve?
What is IT?
Life, respect, crumbs off his table?
Not sure what the Communist is saying.
How many dollars put me over the top, Ma?
I want to be worthy like you.
If that's what he actually said and he wasn't misquoted or someone fucked his context, well... let's just say hubris like this doesn't go unanswered.
Screw All That Jack, I can get lucky too!...Soon as I hit "POWERBALL"!
In the mean time, have you figured out how to keep it?
If that dumb fuck was to ever call me for an estimate on painting his house I'd just punch him in his face and if I thought he was to big I'd just smash his car with anything available. In other words. Kill those fucked up bastardes.
This was interesting. It made me think over my past 48 years.
The chinese woman who was disrespected let that shit go to her head too much.
She has missed out on the rest of life, in exchange for a career that owns her ass.
been there done that myself so i am not judging, just calling it like it is..
For some folks it pays off, but at every firm there are always multiple ones competing for that advancement, and frankly its not usually equitable how the reward is passed around.
Some who deserve it get passed up, some who do not rise very far very quickly. Life it not fair . Please note its not a complaint, a statement of acceptance. its just the way it is.
I left the corporate life at 46 when we had our first child. Its ok, my ceiling at the time had been reached anyway.
I am poor now becasue i choose NOT to be the first into the office and last to leave ANYMORE.
But the highest and most prestigious title I have ever earned in this life is from a little two year old girl.
Becasue of her; I am now richer in heart than I ever was in material things.
She calls me "Daddy".
...AND she's less likely to grow up a soulless superficial whore!
Alright! Blythe Masters and Hillary Clinton just weighed in! Thanks you filthy sluts.
Gumby,
Congrats on the 2 year old. Soak it up. They grow up fast. Yes your business reality is true. I remember well the battle and pressure to hit quarterly revenue targets. My daughter deals with that now and she says her large corp keeps delaying the expense recognition to generate higher quarterly revenue. Many businesses doing that now and the day of reckoning coming.
So, to get this things right: Someone's considered to be stoopid If prefers to set the priorities on other values like friends, wisdom, sanity and other crap?
Congratulations Box Head, we now know there's one bitch, Wendi Deng, that might, MIGHT, fuck you now.
I bet if you emailed Ma with a 3 year business plan for a new start-up he will be just as pessimistic to you as those naysayers he describes.
Lets be honest, good ideas are a dime a dozen , very few good ideas make it to fruition, because the environment is not very conducive to change.
Ma fails to see his success for what it really is, a fluke and lucky timing.
There simply isn't enough pie to go around for everyone to be rich, so even if everyone was ambitious smart and hard working you will still have 70% of people under the poverty line because of the mechanisms at play within this completely broken monetary model we operate under.
I'm not saying its impossible, just improbable for a significant portion of the population to reach such levels of affluence.
Because of our monetary system the next would be Einstein, Steve jobs or bill gates is probably out there flipping burgers trying to survive instead of inventing and discovering.
The fact that the banks, businesses and government have all turned their back on this once great nation is not helping either. . . Lets face it none of the for-mentioned give a rats ass about this country , they just want to burn it all down for profit.
All Americans need is a chance and for these criminal banks to stop breathing down their neck for a change, to stop kicking them while their down and give them a chance to get back up.
Its like the banks and govt are scarred what would happen if Americans could prosper freely
What a bunch of idiots! Ma did not say if you are not rich at 35 - he said poor. So stop with the rich bashing. You are not necessarily an a-hole if you are not poor. POOR is not a badge of honor.
Ma did not just fall into the wealth - he took risks and beat a system that does not really reward free enterprise for many years before making it. Quit whining.
This has been either be a bot or a Chinese stooge plant.
The irony is hilarious among the rich in the US who think that there is a ton of 'rich-bashing' despite a society that has increasingly worshiped wealth, power, and celebrity and set up a series of polices that greatly benefit them over the past 30-35 years. I listen to this kind of idiocy constantly on my father's side of the family at holidays and family-gatherings.
Who really owns that company? The communist government not him and they will take it when they see fit
Who really owns U.S. companies… I’m sure you heard about the Yahoo shakedown.
What is this "ALIBABA" anyway? I looked it up online and realized it's a wanna be amazon except they're not selling a thing it's just a link to suppliers if you're interested on an item. But try contacting those suppliers and receive no reply. This company is just another high tech pod that's being sold to stupid investors to pump up but has no revenue to show for.
and its like a costco business model. I sure can't understand. What "middle class" person in china is going to buy five chinese milling machines for 5k to 8k each? or 10 hp60xl inks refurbished there for 5 bucks each?
The very fact that it makes no sense is probably the most telling aspect of the existance of alibaba: Probably something really convoluted like the chinese govt using alibaba to guage if the world really has any faith in its credit.
Some on this site say they had to sacrifice their soul in the corporate world to make money. Some companies are like that. I worked in management until I was 35 at which time I decided that it was not the life I wanted. I move across the country and became independent and almost self-sufficient. The company was so shocked that it sent an HR person across the country to do an exit interview because nobody would dare give up that life. I am not rich and I am not poor but I am satisfied and happier with my life.
I suggest that if you are not where you want to be - get up and find it - you would be surprised at how many opportunities await you.
Just to give you an idea that transitions are not always easy, I tell you what my first learning experience in living off the land was like. I met an old Swiss farmer who I had asked to give me some idea of what it took to farm - he agreed and promptly sent me out to a large field that he wanted to plant and told me to pick the rocks - two weeks and three fields later I was in much better shape and fully understood what it took to be a farmer.
Ma will be selling majority of his shares in a few weeks and leave the idiots holding the bag. By then he'd realized his gains, live a life of a billionaire while the idiots will be picking up the pieces he left behind to nibble on.
Cayman island shell just raised 200 billion based on 27x sales... Who are the suckers? I think in private the billionaire is LOL
Same kind of crap you would have seen in some fluff piece written in the 1880s or 1890s in the US. Different century, same misguided ambitions and overinflated self-worth. Only difference is that China has created an army of Jack Mas through their one-child policy and the kind of reforms that were implemented gradually in the US won't be possible in China. They'll just put more and more weight on top of the rice cooker until it blows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_iifmI8pQQE#t=43
what a shit head, world class shit head to
lead the masses into the next round of
shithead mania. "god works in mysterious ways"
she said.
i was thinking of donald trump, another but different
unnamed shithead and bankruptcy.
I've been on ZH for many many years. Don't comment much, but when a successful guy talks about what it takes to be "financially" successful, why not just read it, take the advice, appreciate it for good advice, follow it, and let be!? Ain't nothin so wrong with what he said!! Take the chance, go for it. Try, try, try, don't give up...where's the room to knock this? Don't be on here and be negative just to be negative, there's plenty of articles for that!! Give some props where it's due. He went from zero to where he is today. When you get there, you see how you handle the fortune! I love a success story.
I totally agree bear. I'v been trying to provoke more positive and intelligent posts for the last number of hours but few have the fortitude to admit that working for your goals is good.
Same message with just a different source like a megachurch preacher a-hole in CA or TX who tells his parishioners it is there fault and there fault alone if they are poor. Yeah there are some generic platitidues here that hold some basic truth but so what.
i know how hard it is, especially for 'american' people to understand, but not everybody wants to be the king, or crazy rich.
some people are actually satisfied with - who they are and what they had.
i worked really hard beginning at age 15, still do, took lots of chances. things didn't turn out the way i would like, but they are ok. it could have a lot worse.
tell me this laid bear? i know nothing about jack ma. but i know obama, and the bushes, and the clintons and the buffetts and steve jobs and bill gates, and i would rather be little ole 'lots of fun'. really would. i had a platinum card once, and i ditched it.
and if you think kardashian is hot, or jolie, or whoever they've propped up infront of your face and told you that's what you need to be happy, and that's what you need to own to be respected, will i got to tell you, i had a hell of a lot of fun and it was all natural and healthy, and expect to do so for a few more years.
besides the fact that i don't have sports car or a luxury liner and could give a fuck.
hope it works out for you - now that he gave you the formula i am sure YOU, yes YOU are going to be wealthy beyond any faustus imagination.
oh - and live for ever. don't forget that.
ok,
Put The Lime In The Coconut - Harry Nilsson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA9OqUuA6a0
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what was the topic? oh yea, if you're poor at 35
you deserve it, that was it.
that might raise the question "what is poor"?
and what is not poor? then you must ask how are
these determinations made, what the criteria and
mechanisms? now , here, in the real world of
fish people you have entered the deep water. there be
sharks and whales and they feed on shrimp; as they say
"when the whales do battle the shrimp suffer." a chinese
saying. no middle class to destroy, just the whales connected
to the oligarchs and the communist party capitalists and the
shrimp they eat, regular human people food.
that is the context of his comment. not your conception
of capitalism and liberty in the new world where you can
kill all the natives you like and steal their women and
eat their children's birthright.
i may have got that wrong? maybe not?
who was horatio alger?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Alger_myth
.
i suppose the 35 and older crowd deserves to be
victimized by all manner of scams developed by
any and all fraudulent ipo wall street scumbags
preaching horatio alger bullshit?
the scams are built on scams, derivative scams
on bullshit backed scams and certain persons
pray at that alter of vomit and puke. good luck
and apparently the main function of the fed is to
promote and financialize these offerings, over time
and at the expense of the treasury and people who
pay the taxes; the hoarseholes without dual citizenship.
That's what your supposed to think. You are supposed to lap that shit up, get motivated and try even harder. People aren't buying it anymore.
He's a meglomaniac douchebag. Not everyone can be successful, or wants to be successful, like he is. Poverty to him his anyone that has less than 1 billion dollars.
Hey Sulu, Go Fuch your hat. I known at minimum 1000 business people, all hard working, all dedicated, all have drive to succeed, but out of the 1000+ I know only one that became a billionaire, and that's because he found diamonds where no one else would look. It's pretty easy to say shit when your looking down on people from on high, after luck has thrown you a bone, but some people work them selves to an early grave and luck never smiles on them.
Sulu I ask you this question, just how much of your success do you owe to the Communist Chinese Governments patronage cronyism and protection?
From time to time I hear some flaming airhead or space cadet refer to private equity guys as rocket scientists and not only do I think of every private equity douchetard I've heard of, but I also think of a famous private equity douchetard by the name of Dan Quayle.
Dan Quayle, a rocket scientist???
WTF. . .
Perhaps people should re-define what success really is. For me its independence, for others it may just be money, for others it may just be a state of mind in whatever endeavor they are engaged in. Stop suggesting that success is only becoming a billionaire.
"You are poor because you do not have the desire to become successful."
Let's speak when you're on your death bed and see how much that success matters. When all is said and done, it's meaningless. What matters more is how you helped changed the world for the better, however that may be.
Typical shithead attitude of the rich and famous. Basically he's saying fuck the 99%.
Any mega successful person that claims their success was all about their ambition and personal drive without giving a major hat tip to others' contributions, timing, and dumb luck is not honorable..........
bleat.com is taken so is bleat.us. There goes my idea. Now I can be poor and satisfied with the try.
This dude strikes me as a snake oil salesman, and the whole Alibaba hysteria reminds me a LOT of the last days of the
dot.com bubble.
Illuminati, for sure.
Jack Ma is a jerkoff materialist that likes to pontificate like the Pope!
May the air pollution in China prevent him from opening his mouth to breathe in the near future.
materialist have a point, i wouldn't disparage
them on his account. the jerk off and pontification
observation i agree with.
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humans who identify with the hierarchy of top
predator should be humbled by the natural human
fact that they create, by their mere existence,
the vacuum that must be and call itself resistance,
defiance and rebellion. the enemy, their disrespected base.
crazy, ephemeral, insane delusion and dilution.
j.m. is riding the high horse. the statues comport
to a symbolic hove placement/orientation with respect
to the ground and the manner of death of the rider.
the high horse, the general riders.
In china, such attitude is about average.....openly materialistic & no grip concerning common sense & decency.
I've seen worse guys in college.....win at all costs regardless of cheating, destroying the enviroment, lying, deceiving, stealing, blaming on others, etc.....
Sorry, you're a Chinese billionaire only because of hard work of a billion Chinese.
A good percentage of that billion probably working in his code-writing sweatshops trying to keep that website running
I think were ready to lose tbis article from sticky status. Its not really a great story.
Slow news day?
This century Tom Vu
I remember Tom Vu, he was fuckin' hilarious, on his yacht, wearing his Members Only jacket and surrounded by a bunch of blonde bimbos.
"your friends are loosers, get rid of them, you listen to ME, I make you rich!
come to my seminar."
Fuck Jack Ma, he's just another rich asshole with a chip on his shoulder. Don't care if he has to work his ass off and do whatever else it took for him to get to where he is now, that kind of shitty attitude is lame.
Like Tony Montana, somebody should have just given him his fortune, maybe then he would would be a nicer person today.
Carmina Burana lyrics, 5th verse
"Once I was seated
on Fortune's throne,
crowned with a garland
of prosperity.
In the bloom
of my felicity
I was struck down
and robbed of all my glory."
Ma don't know Jack!
The Wheel of Fortune spins round! Here, enjoy!
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/carmina+burana/o+fortuna_20200529.html
Correction. I got all that shit. I am poor because I decided to become a songwriter who didn't write radio-friendly pop songs.
To be, or not to be...that is the question.
Profound. Thank you.
You didnt build that business... The federal Government Did it for you... for the nit wits [Sarc Off]
He's not being a very good Communist. I'm going to have to report him to the Politburo.
And why don't we refer to the Chinese as Red Commies as we did the Russians!
How is that a company from Communist China is having the biggest IPO in the largest capitalistic nation in the world?
Really?
Sorry, you are 35 years behind the times. News travels by foot in the USA?
If you also want to be a con artist extraordinaire, do the following:
1. Make others myopic by lying on your financial statements
2. Lie at your every opportunity
3. Confuse everyone else by concealing your dodgy business practices
4. Obtain money as fast as you can from the people you are planning to dupe
Croutching Jack, Hidden Tiger Mom
FUCK YOU!
"The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. But God said unto him, 'Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?'"
The very succsessful and rich to a person are sociopeths without empathy, and they cannot conceive of any other values to live by as being valid.
They are winners. If you don't do what they do, you are a loser. There are no degrees or types of success to them.
I don't care about these assholes any more - I manage to be left alone, and that's all I desire.
I know how to avoid these types, it's quite easy.