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Ron Paul Blasts Congress 'More War' Vote, "They Come Over Here, Because We Are Over There"
Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity,
Last week, the House and Senate voted to rubber stamp President Obama’s war plans for the Middle East. Both bodies, on a bipartisan basis, authorized the US to begin openly training and arming the rebels who have been fighting for three years to overthrow the Assad government in Syria.
Although the Syrian government has also been fighting ISIS and related extremist groups for three years, the US refuses to speak to the Syrians and has warned Assad not to interfere with the coming US attack on sovereign Syrian territory
President Obama promised that airstrikes alone would “degrade and destroy” ISIS, telling the US military in a speech last week that:
“The American forces that have been deployed to Iraq do not and will not have a combat mission… I will not commit you and the rest of our armed forces to fighting another ground war in Iraq.”
But of course any US troops sent into a war zone are “combat” troops. And more are on their way.
While the president was swearing that there would be no boots on the ground, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, was in open disagreement. General Dempsey told the Senate Armed Services Committee last week that US forces would need to embed with Iraqi or Kurdish troops in combat situations under certain circumstances.
The limited mission the president promised just weeks ago has already greatly escalated, and now threatens to become another major regional war. In reality, however, this is just a continuation of the 24 year US war on Iraq that President George Bush began in 1990 and candidate Obama promised to end as President.
Under last week’s authorization bill, the president would have authority to train 5,000 fighters in Saudi Arabia for insertion into the civil war in Syria. This is in effect a re-arrangement of the deck chairs. To this point the training was carried out by the CIA in Jordan and Turkey. Now, the program will be moved to the Pentagon and to Saudi Arabia.
The CIA training of the rebels thus far has resulted in a direct pipeline of weapons from “vetted moderates” to the al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front and to the very ISIS that the administration claims to be fighting. In July, a full brigade of 1,000 fighters from a US-backed rebel group joined ISIS! Of course they took their US-provided weapons and training with them, some of which will certainly be used against the rapidly increasing US military personnel in the region.
That Saudi Arabia is considered a suitable place to train Syria’s future leaders must be some kind of sick joke. While ISIS was beheading two American journalists – as horrific as that is – the repressive Saudi theocracy was beheading dozens of its own citizens, often for relatively minor or religious crimes.
If we want to stop radical terrorists from operating in Syria and Iraq, how about telling our ally Saudi Arabia to stop funding and training them? For that matter, how about the US government stops arming and training the various rebel groups in Syria and finally ends its 24 year US war on Iraq.
There are 200 million people bordering the countries where ISIS is currently operating. They are the ones facing the threat of ISIS activity and expansion. Let them fight their own war, rather than turning the US military into the mercenary army of wealthy Gulf states. Remember, they come over here because we are over there. So let’s not be over there any longer.
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Wars will proceed according to plan.
Dissenters will be dealth with in the usual methods.
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we are at war...a major ECONOMIC war...
the weapons...commodities, debt, and fiat...
who wins?
time will tell...
Oceania has always been at war with Israel's enemies.
ron paul 2016
I love that book. I especially like the part where Frodo got to take a ride in the claw of the Eagle after throwing the ring in the magma. That was sweet.
This is CNN.
Funny that so much blame is so often pinned on Saudi Arabia and Israel is never mentioned... so funny I forgot to laugh.
Prophetic to say the least
Beautiful. And just SO fucking appropriate.
Welcome to 1984, USSA.
ron paul cant and wont ever win he is to old and the peolple of America have thier heads so far up thier asses they cant see the light of day. Plus the isolationist attitude would never work the world is so intertwined that the world would blow us the fuck up. We gotta figure out how to stop fucking with the middlee east and cut them off if they want to sell us thier oil fine if not fuck them they dont have that much left. Leave Russia alone and mind our own business and stop paying people not to work
yes, odd that, despite the proximity, Israel does not seem to be mentioned explicity as a target by ISIS/ISIL...
See Gaza.
Interesting that POTUS has the courage to call "it" ISIL.
Ron Paul is fast approaching a clear Third Party alternative.
"The Christians are all dead and all the money has been stolen. All that is left is the looting."
The smartest men I the room are in fact the dumbest. They sure think they're smart though....
Hard for citizens to know when we are at war.
Bankers are all Spies
Corporations will do anything for money
Capitalist love Mercenaries
Private Military Armies exist
Private Military Contractors exist
If you got the money or US is behind you, you can get away with anything you can keep secret
We are always at war. War in our perspectives and loyalties against propaganda. War against the machine of law that will encircle us without knowledge and resolve. War against the subtle persuasions which seek to steal our children away. War within ourselves to wring truth from the distorted world others present to us.
Peace only comes in the grave.
Sounds like you know war from the perspective of a country that has been abused by colonizing powers.
I didn't recognize those words from an philosophy or spiritual writing. I would imagine that Bedouins or those from the Middle East might have this perspective.
Recently someone described selling bonds on wall street or selling public stock in their company ... as putting their city, county, state, or company in A-Cemetric Warfare.
Warfare that comes from all directions and comes in all forms.
We did not rise in the 21st Century to limiting war to Economics. Today in the Middle East, Ukraine, Russia, we see the full development of war.
A brave man does not yearn for a long life.
If we have to have a dictator, let it be Ron Paul.
"If we want to stop radical terrorists from operating in Syria and Iraq, how about telling our ally Saudi Arabia to stop funding and training them?"
Not happening any time soon as long as Saudi Arabia sells their oil exclusively in US dollars.
Obama doesn't even understand his own given responsibilities. We're in such great hands!!!
Umm... other than to not look stupid in public, he doesn't have any.
Like any puppet, his only responsibility is to protect the facade of legitimacy (and to always say "Yes Ma'am!" to Valerie).
He understands. You just need to understand something in return: He is not here to help. He's here to "fundamentally transform" the nation. And it's working. This place is transforming into a steaming pile of shit a little more with each passing day. I beieve we have crossed the rubicon in that respect.
Ron, I love you man, but you KNOW the reason why we are over there.
Stop the FED and you will stop the wars and occupations.
What? And end the British Raj just like that?
Unless you think it is time for Canada or Australia to take up the Mantle...
Why don't we just do nothing and watch Turkey, Iran, the lower half of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria deal with this issue on their own. There's no doubt that if we did nothing, they'd step up.
Lord knows that what Russia and China (and Europe) do and it saves them Trillions!!!!!
Yes, Turkey: the second largest army in NATO. They could take care of ISIS in a fortnight. But they seem to have a sort of arrangement with the Islamic State. Who's buying the IS oil, and what route does it travel to market?
Ron Paul? Disenfranchised like you and me.
I have an old election button from 1972, with a photo of George McGovern that says: "Come Home America." I where the button during election season - but never vote.
Peeps re-elected war criminal Tricky Dick instead, and have been willingly fooled (repeatedly) by war criminals ever since.
Every President after Jimmy Carter has been selected a group so secret that few dare to whisper it's name even in a private room. The CIA & NSA Back them Up. The US Military & Military Reserves back them up. They control the Big Bankers.
End the Fed, toss out the Bank Trust, Let's go back to Conservative Banking, figure out how to control wealthy people & control wealthy corporations.
Remember the Assassinations of JFK, Bobby Kennedy, and Martin Luther King.
The description of the scene of MLKs Assassination included the fact the the US Army, the Fire Department, a hidden Shooter, and a Patsy were all there on the scene before the first shot was fired.
Read the Coretta Scott King Lawsuit on line.
http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers
http://www.thekingcenter.org/assassination-conspiracy-trial
"End the Fed, toss out the Bank Trust, Let's go back to Conservative Banking, figure out how to control wealthy people & control wealthy corporations."
You're right. That would be America's salvation, but it implies a strong regulating state, something you'll never get Americans to understand. The free trade dogma they suck with their mother's milk says that nothing can hinder the market, therefore you can't control either wealthy people or corporations (that would be against "freedom"). And the "rule of law" they idealize won't work either. Any company with sufficient money will bribe lawmakers to change the laws in its favor until, eventually, corporations rule the state itself, as is the case nowadays. So it's back to square one: the reign of the big corporations.
They come over here because this is stage 3 of The Plan that JFK was assassinated for.
Listen Ariadne,
They will come over to USSA anyway because USSA "ORDERED" France to blow up their shipping containers just the other day.
They had their "CAMEL" food in there, so it's "ON"!
Got a link for that comment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkjYJAHCjM
I've heard this speech before. What is this stage 3 you speak of?
Stage 3: Disarm Americans
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Make sense - an eye for an eye.
Eeeerrrrrrrr, ummm, don't you mean a head for a head?
"Beware of Foriegn Entanglements" George Washington.
The Fed is controlled by the Rothschilds and their ilk, and conceals the hidden trillions of the wealthy families
Yeah, I just found this like last month. Interesting Family... and not discussed enough. Very Suspicious that they never make the news.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Damn, there's a lot of effort clinging on to the petro-dollar.
Who is this crazy old coot, and why does he make sense? Must be some kind of domestic extremist terroristical bad guy. Send in the Oinker SWAT heroes!
ISIS is the globalist terrorist force to be used by Goldman Sachs to take down America. Duh.
You don't see Hussein Obama bombing them do you.
Correct me here.
The British created Muslim Brother Hood & Israel
The US Created Mujaheddin, Al Qaeda & ISIS/ISIL
Rothschilds pit nations against nations and network with other Oligarchs and Wealthy Monopolists to create Giant Wars and stir up the locals to recreate a Caliphate
But most very wealthy families and individuals just want to make higher profit and it that can be done as private military contractor for USA, then that is great.
Ron Paul is correct and makes sense, so in the eyes of the turds in the cesspool he is painted as a disconnected kook. The a-holes in charge will not change their course, they are bound and determined to burn the system down. The moron voters are happy to keep them on their course. Watch, they'll vote the cackling cunt in '16.
Great piece RP! Ron Paul is a lone voice crying out for reason in an otherwise insane world. Will the son follow in his fathers footsteps? Idk.....
Listen GSwifty.
We've all seem the son in "ACTION". What a "FUCKING" disappointment. I think he and your USSA Lindsay Graham sit at the same table at the "GREAT" AIPAC CON-ference.
I've seen and heard the same. Hence my qualifier. If my sons were that far removed from my core beliefs, i'd be greatly disappointed. Though Adam did raise a Cain.
Listen GSwifty.
Let me be clear here. There is no shame for a "LION" to eat his "CUB".
If only we were lions instead of men, choices would be simpler.
They come over here because of corporate jerks like Ron Paul let them in and stay, Ron Paul is a used car salesman a liquidation specialist.
Audit the fed lately Ron?
That should go over like a fart in church. lol
Smitty in LA? or should it read "Just fucking stupid in LA"?
Now that France and the US are bombing buddies doing the high tech Hoochie-Koochie, (Ya put yer left foot, in, Yah put yer left foot out ...) if ISIS is being backed and funded by any major power then its a dead certainty that they have access, one way or another, to a wide range of retaliatory weapons not limited to devices that go boom, and not limited by the geographical dispersion of targets. While those weapons would have fingerprints if used, if they came from very old Soviet stockpiles they would be untracable.
And at least poison gas, if not also biologicals, have already been used in the region. It requires no imagination to come up with realistic scenarious for their use beyond the region. The spell has been broken. That Genie is out of the bottle.
BTW, Thank you Dr. Ron Paul and
Thank you Tyler(s)
The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. - A guy named Georgie.
Magic Carpet Invasion by You Tube video is plenty good enough to get the perpetual war game and shock incursions refreshed.
Is Ron Paul a full time RT correspondent yet?
Ron Paul made be realize that I was a libertarian. I now have a political identity that makes sense.
Ron Paul fundraiser implicated in vote selling bribery scandal to support Muslim criminal invasion and amnesty http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/scandal-forces-ouster-mcconnell-...
Ron Paul is vermin, an empty suit, a beard
ron paul is not the topic here.
uninstall your browser and don't come back.
Rachel Maddow might be CIA. I've seen some pretty slanted story telling coming from her.
Did you ever hear of Operation Midnight Climax & using Honey Traps. That might be Maddow, but you know... for the other side.
Operation Midnight Climax, the CIA set up several brothels in San Francisco, California to obtain a selection of men who would be too embarrassed to talk about the events. The men were dosed with LSD, the brothels were equipped with one-way mirrors, and the sessions were filmed for later viewing and study.[35] In other experiments where people were given LSD without their knowledge
Shitty in LA, Potato has provided wise council so please follow his intruction. As you dimiss yourself, remember, never to quote maddow again, she is not on your team.
Why do people still pay attention to this peacemonger? Everyone knows they hate us for our freedoms.
I like Ron Paul. He makes a lot of sense. But I think there are things that some of his supporters don't get.
Ron Paul is NOT a pacifist. Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist.
He is a capitalist and free marketeer. Capitalism requires the protection of capital. Free markets require access to markets and the protection and facilitation of free trade.
The U.S. Marines were created to, among other things, protect American capital and American trade by hating on the Barbary pirates and kicking butt.
The message of Ron Paul is not "war is always bad and should be avoided at all costs".
The message of Ron Paul is "carry a big stick and pick those fights that are in your interests, i.e., protect your capital and facilitate free trade."
True. But if one isn't in favor of an all out attack on any country that doesn't obey our every whim then we must be isolationists or pacifists.
The only time I ever saw Ron Paul ANGRY was during the debate, ha ha, in the House during the 2006 Israeli bombing of civilians and infrastructure of Lebanon. The resolution under consideration, was SUPPORT for Israel's bombing, using OUR munitions of course, which George W Bush immediately sent a huge resupply of CLUSTER bombs to the brave little ally, the ONLY democracy, which of course is a JEWISH state, but they don't like America being a WHITE nation, oh no that is why they changed our immigration law in 1965.
So Paul finally got the chance to speak and he was PISSED OFF, the, as he called it, illegal maneuverings and vote set-up, the anger showed on his face. Ron Paul was HEROIC that day, sadly his son didn't take after his daddy, few sons do.
Amen Dr. Paul.
How long has Ron Paul been a Congresspeep?
Exactly which pieces of legislature has he sponsored and which have been enacted?
Demonstrative evidence shows Ron Paul is ineffective and should step aside.
The fact that he has never sponsored any piece of legislation that calls for the taking of wealth from one group of poeple to give to another - the very types of legislation that you can only be referring to, demonstates that you are either on the wrong website, or, don't understand a fucking thing ron paul has ever stood for. Infomr yourself or STFU. I imagine what he has forgotten you still have to learn.
RON PAUL 2016
NO MOAR WAR PARTY
To this point the training was carried out by the CIA in Jordan and Turkey. Now, the program will be moved to the Pentagon and to Saudi Arabia.
At least some of the training has been carried out in Qatar.
"... they come here because we are over there."
Too much common sense for the Beltway.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
You reap what you sow..!
Well, we are moving in the right direction; after spending trillions and trillions of dollars, we're down to just spending billions and billions of dollars! Question: If not many people are working and those that are aren't making much money, not a lot of people pay taxes, and connected corporations sure don't pay taxes - where in the hell is the money coming from? Did I miss the War Bond commercials?....
Ron Paul is often branded as a loony by the media.It was only the efforts of
Jon Stewart's show and others that the media " backpaging" him during the election
campaign was exposed.The Repub's were terrified of him because he does go off-script.
If the man is nuts why does he keep getting re-elected? THREE DECADES?
Must be doing something right...It bugs me he is from Texas,but there ya are....
Ron Paul has a valid point as the French learned after years in Algeria. When they left the resistance and anger melted away.
The catalyst for war has not been diminished as many people have hoped it would once the world matured. National pride, political agendas, religious and ethnic hatreds are some of the biggest roadblocks to world peace. Often we seem to forget as we look back to World War II and past a dozen "lesser Conflicts" peace has been the exception rather then the rule for hundreds and thousands of years.
The true reality is that across the world few mothers want to see their children killed and most farmers want to be left along to raise their crops and earn a living. More on the subject of war as a solution to conflict in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/05/war-and-what-is-it-good-for.html
According to a report published in Reuters, the group known as ISIS may have actually been trained over the last two years by the United States government in Jordan. It would be quite ironic if the United States was actually responsible for the training those now destabilizing the Iraqi nation. It was not known whether those doing the training were direct members of the US government or if they worked for a private firm, but the main focus of the training was on anti-tank weaponry. The report continues that 200 men were trained at the facility and that over 1200 were to be added in a plan to prepare to free Syria from the rule of President Bashar Al-Assad. French and British advisors were present as well to aid in the training and according to Jordanian intelligence sources the program was designed to create fighters to be a part of the ISIS group.
Arizona Senator John McCain even paid a visit to the group during training to show his support. McCain was photographed with General Salim Idris, who was later expelled from the group because he was seen as too moderate for them. The new leader of the group is General Ibrahim al-Douri. He was the Vice-President of the Revolutionary Council under former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and was supposed to be the successor to Hussein. Al-Douri has been on the US most wanted list since the second Gulf War began and many inside the United States government thought he was dead. It appears he now has a huge war chest at his disposal, which has come from US allies, including Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. These are all Sunni based countries which support the ISIS group out of frustration over President Barak Obama’s failure to oust Al-Assad. More on ISIS in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/islamic-state-of-iraq-and-levant....
Can Ron explain the rise of the Nazi and the attack of the Japanese on the USA. Sorry Ron...you are WRONG!