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US & Arab Partner Nations Begin Airstrikes In Syria - Live Feed
As the broad coalition crumbled, it appears Washington decided there was no time to waste:
- *U.S., PARTNER NATIONS STRIKING ISIS IN SYRIA: PENTAGON
- *U.S. USING FIGHTERS, BOMBERS, TOMAHAWKS TO ATTACK ISIS
NBC News reports the attack includes drones and is expecting to hit up to 20 targets. FOX is reporting Qatar is among the arab nation coalition (along with UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Bahrain), according to Lt. Col. Oliver North, which is rather surprising given their rather well-known support for Al-Nusra.
The bombing of isis was always the easy part. Who takes over was never made clear. And the devil is in the details, always
— Richard Engel (@RichardEngel) September 23, 2014
Clever to do strikes during un gen assembly. World leaders have to accept to deny. Isis strikes.
— Richard Engel (@RichardEngel) September 23, 2014
Told Isis had time to move into civilian areas. Hide weapons. Now theyre on move. Expect followup from all sides
— Richard Engel (@RichardEngel) September 23, 2014
Live Feed...
Fox reports...
The United States launched airstrikes in Syria against ISIS targets, sources tell NBC News.
The U.S. military plans to strike up to 20 targets — logistics, fuel and weapons depots; training sites; troop encampments; command and control sites; and headquarters for the Sunni fighters.
The U.S. military will deploy manned and unmanned air assets, including F-22s, B-1 bombers, F-16s, F-15s and F/A-18s.
The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush is at the ready in the Persian Gulf, and the USS Arleigh Burke, a guided missile destroyer that fires Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAMs), is in the Red Sea.
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Statement from Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby
TAMPA, Fla. – The Department of Defense released the following statement from Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby today:
“I can confirm that U.S. military and partner nation forces are undertaking military action against ISIL terrorists in Syria using a mix of fighter, bomber and Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles.”
“Given that these operations are ongoing, we are not in a position to provide additional details at this time.
The decision to conduct theses strikes was made earlier today by the U.S. Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander in chief.
We will provide more details later as operationally appropriate.”
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And here is President Obama disagreeing with John McCain's call for airstrikes in Syria in 2012...
Sen. John McCain today called for the United States to begin air strikes against the government of Syria, but the Obama administration indicated it did not agree with his strategy.
“Foreign capitals across the world are looking to the United States to lead, especially now that the situation in Syria has become an armed conflict,” the Republican from Arizona said on the Senate floor. “But what they see is an administration still hedging its bets — on the one hand, insisting that Assad’s fall is inevitable, but on the other, unwilling even to threaten more assertive actions that could make it so.”
But a senior Obama administration official indicated to ABC News that the president and his advisers did not agree with the Republican senator.
“We share his concern and outrage about what’s taking place,” the official said. “We’re also concerned that further military intervention will accelerate the conflict on the ground and worsen the humanitarian situation without stopping the violence the Syrian regime is committing against its own people.”
The official said the U.S. “wants to keep putting pressure on the Assad regime.”
The official noted that the Syrian situation is very different from Libya in many key technical ways, that make them question how effective airstrikes against the Syrian regime would be.
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Summarizing in under 140 characters...
U.S., PARTNER NATIONS STRIKING ISIS IN SYRIA: PENTAGON. Translation: Qatar bombing the Assad regime to clear way for its natgas pipeline
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) September 23, 2014
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The damage has begun...
Ar-Raqqah #Syria under attack earlier pic.twitter.com/aDQ0FlR0ts
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) September 23, 2014
"The US has launched nearly 200 strikes against ISIS targets in Iraq." New strikes in Syria: http://t.co/EsaOSU1m1d pic.twitter.com/zaDBdyqaaw
— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 23, 2014
#Breaking: #IS instructs its fighters to leave its #HQs in ar-Raqqah to the rural areas - Activists #Syria
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) September 23, 2014
#Breaking: 4 US missiles fall on Kafrdayan near Sarmada #Idlib - Activists pic.twitter.com/hk80r0rwqC
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) September 23, 2014
#Breaking: The palace of ar-Raqqah governor in destroyed in airstrikes - Activists pic.twitter.com/7ZxbZ1hZwv
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) September 23, 2014
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As we have noted previously, Russia is entirely against a U.S. intervention in Syria which targets essentially the Assad regime for the simple reason that all such an action would do is fast track Qatar's pipeline to Europe and leave Gazprom, pardon the pun, in the cold... (via Maria Dubovikova of Al-Arabiya)
U.S. President Barak Obama addressed the nation on Wednesday, saying that the U.S. is going to expand the air campaign against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). He said he would not hesitate to authorize direct strikes against the militant group and its fighters in Syrian territory.
This decision, despite the demonstrated enthusiasm and assertiveness of the U.S. president, is very unlikely to be effective and could even worsen the crisis, pushing the situation to the point of no-return.
First of all, the Syrian government sustainably strikes the positions of the rebels, including ISIS, with relative success. Thus it is quite evident that airstrikes are not effective in fighting ISIS. According to the fighters’ revelations, they know where to hide in the case of airstrikes as they have gained experience in the years they have been fighting against Assad’s forces. This is common for both moderate Syrian opposition fighters and ISIS. Despite the will not to put boots on the ground, the U.S. has no other option if they intend to lead the international coalition. Moreover, it’s impossible to create an effective coalition and battlefront if Iran and Syria are not to be included.
No clear strategy
Obama has no clear strategy to fight ISIS and the terrorist group does not consider him a threat. It took a long time for Obama to admit that ISIS is a terrorist organization and a true threat. It took the beheading of American citizens to make Obama publically realize this.
There are deep concerns that the U.S. will bomb not only ISIS positions in Syria, but also the Syrian government forces
It appeared to be a strong enough argument to start thinking about what should be done to stop the threat. For a rather long time, ISIS fighters were opportune terrorists as they were fighting against Damascus. The policy of dividing the terrorists into good terrorists and bad terrorists seems like a bad joke by the White House.
The decision announced by the U.S. president cannot be taken out context of America’s intense tensions with Russia. Russia was the third country to criticize the U.S. decision to bomb ISIS terrorists on Syrian territory, after the Syrian and Iranian governments. It’s not the best company to keep when opposing Obama’s decision in terms of international prestige and perception, however, it was to be expected.
The criticism came both from Russia’s leader Vladimir Putin and from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Alexander Lukashevich.
The criticism is based on one key point: without the Syrian government’s agreement and a UNSC mandate, the U.S. strikes in Syria would be a gross violation of international law and should be considered an act of aggression. Moreover, Moscow didn’t pass over in silence the double standard approach of Washington, as while helping Iraq to fight the terrorists on its territory, the U.S. president called for approval for more funding of the so-called armed opposition in Syria. Also, recent revelations by fighters in the pages of the Western press purport that the moderates in Syria are absolutely demoralized, weak and their ranks thinned out as the fighters join ISIS. In light of such reports, it is not clear which party Obama is going assist in this case and how his calls correspond to the real situation on the ground.
Heightened U.S. awareness
In general, Russia welcomes heightened U.S. awareness of the crisis – it is better late than never. Minister of Foreign Affairs Serguei Lavrov even criticized the U.S. on September 10 over its supposed double standard approach, saying that “the Americans are bombing them (ISIS) on Iraqi territory, but they do nothing with them in Syria.” Russia would even approve the U.S. strikes against ISIS fighters in case of Washington’s cooperation with Damascus on the matter.
But now there are deep concerns that the U.S. will bomb not only ISIS positions in Syria, but also the Syrian government forces. These concerns can be explained by the fact that evidently the strikes against ISIS could play into hands of Damascus and this doesn’t correspond with the U.S. interests. Taking into account that during all these years of the Syrian war the U.S. could have been trying to realize its plans to bomb Syria, they could take advantage of this situation.
If the U.S. bombs the positions of government forces, by mistake or with malicious intent, this would have doubly unpredictable consequences, both at the international and regional levels.
For sure, this will trigger a new crisis with Russia. The crisis of credibility in bilateral relations will reach the highest point. Russia will ultimately respond to the possible aggression. But how? It’s a big question with a difficult to predict answer. Moreover, possible strikes against Damascus’ forces will blow up the remains of credibility of international law, international systems and institutions. After the meeting over Iraq in Paris on Monday, Russia’s foreign minister stressed that the international community should build common action “on a solid foundation of the United Nations Charter and U.N. counter-terrorist instrument and mechanisms.” The call to respect the U.N. Charter is clear and logical, however its solidness, as well as that of the U.N. system in general, is already in doubt. Any further violations of international law and U.N. principles will definitely be the last straw, leading to international chaos.
Regional level
On the regional level, the U.S.’s possible bombing of Damascus’ forces could strengthen ISIS. Relations with Iran could become more exacerbated, that could worsen the cooperation with it on other vital issues such as its nuclear program. The Iranian rejection of cooperating with the U.S. against ISIS is already an unpleasant turn, mostly conditioned by already an committed mistake – Iran was not invited to the international conference on Iraq in Paris.
If the U.S. only strikes ISIS positions on Syrian territory and refrains from bombing Syrian government forces – this would be better for stability and be more predictable in terms of consequences, however it would never resolve the ISIS problem. Airstrikes are inefficient. A full-scale intense ground operation is needed. A true strategy is required, not a strategy of clichés, useless declarations and beautiful words for the ears of American citizens.
Moreover, it should be remembered that ISIS is primarily an idea, an idea making even Europeans and Americans leave their homes and join the group. Ideas cannot be defeated by bombs, actually, bombs make them stronger.
U.S. involvement in the anti- ISIS drive is indispensable, both in Syria and Iraq, especially taking into account its military capabilities. However, it is only positive as part of a sophisticated strategy approved by the international community. It is time the international community elaborate on the strategy to deal with ISIS.
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...In other words, expect a Russian response shortly...
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Assad has just weeks left to survive, in my view.
Let's see how Russia plays this. Should be interesting, especially if it becomes an obvious destabilizing effort against the Syrian regime.
Russia is busy in Ukraine. Putin can't help Assad much. He's already stretched out
They're not that busy.
Give that man a peace prize
Such a Noble gesture
IMPEACH!
I think we can officially rule that out with Biden wanting to follow them to the gates of hell.
Damn you and your logic nmewn ;)
;-)
By ISIS of course they mean Assad
Depends on what the menaing if ISIS ISIS
American foreign policy has been reduced to a strategy of arming & training IS/ISIS/ISIL, in some regions, while bombing them in other regions, taking down non-religious/radical regimes of people like Saddam, Qadafi, etc. (whose countries just happened not to have central banks tied into the petro-dollar), while now actively trying to take out Assad, a white Christian dude who celebrates Christmas and has zero tolerance for real Islamic extremism (like Saddam).
Forward!
The USSA is truly the Evil Empire. Even the dumbest liberal has to see through this fraudulent war of aggression against the sovereign state of Syria.
Look at how low the USSA has sunk. What a disgrace!
and remember....every Tomahawk missile fired vaporizes about 500 ounces of pure silver....never to exist again.
I think I'll just keep on stackin' at these sweet, low, low phyzz prices as much as possible. But who cares about fundamentals, right? ;-)
'meriKa -- #FUCKYeah
</sarc>
Yeah monkey's : scatter into the country side so those heat signatures are nice and hot to the KH 11's parked above. Oh, and loose the mask you won't need it where you're going...
They hate us for our freedoms! bomb the shit out of them until we win another peace prize over here.
Well the Russians should use this as a precedent for bombing the terrorists in DC
Must be an election coming up...
Here we see the reason "ISIS" was invented using the left-overs of al-quaida. It gives them an excuse to bomb a country that just one year ago they could not drum up the popular support to bomb. Sick fuckers.
Uncle Satan's rule #3 for controlling the world: When in doubt, bomb it out.
Listen up. I blame this war on the Bilderberger Group. Those assholes control the world. They produce and sell all the global porno. Did you know that?
Porno? Did someone say porno?
Coalition? Partners? We don't need no steenking coalition...
Don't get too excited. Nothing but the usual blog pimping. Kill 'em all and let abuse [at] zerohedge.com sort 'em out.
My guess of what's what falls somewhere along these lines:
It's very possible, likely even, that Assad is coordinating these strikes with the U.S. behind deep diplomatic fronts. It may be that, though ISIS/ISIL is CIA created, it could be the case of yet another monster created over which its master lost control, and the US and Assad both have a vested interesed in seeing ISIS scaled back. Assad wouldn't want Russia to know that he's allowing the U.S. airstrikes. Or perhaps that is the guise under which the U.S. thinks it is playing with Assad, or vice versa. Israeli interests are certainly weighing in on how to proceed in Syria, as are Russian interests with regard to its Syrian ally.
In other words, nothing is likely what it seems on the surface, and "the enemy of my enemy is my friendly enemy's friend's enemy" at play here.
I am Chumbawamba.
We can't say that nothing is likely what it seems on the surface — because on the surface, it seems the American government is full of fucking retards, and I'm fairly confident that it's the actual fucking truth.
I will agree whole heartedly that our government is full of fucking retards, Mr. McMolotov. What I won't agree with (and you never claimed,) is that we do have a complete enough picture of what they're actually doing to be sure of which way to sidestep whatever is coming. The scariest thought is what if it's all on the table for us now, because that means that they are extra-retards with nukes.
The Secret Agenda Behind ALL Middle East Conflicts
Put the bong down, Chumba. Syria and Russia are siblings. They are a big and little bear. They act together and have intelligence, military, and civil government connected. What you suggested is absurd.
you could have just said " i guess i don't know"
I've heard that 500 oz claim, but I'm skeptical and all references seem circular. WHY would it need to contain so much? I would think the designers would prefer to carry that 15 Kg in fuel or payload.
It's not physical silver. Just paper. Futures contracts. Ya know?
ISIS = ISRAELI SECRET INTELLIGENCE SERVICE
It's a bunch of horseshit as far as I'm concerned.
I am Chumbawamba.
That's easy: When you drop the decimal point from .500, you get 500
Damnit, i must've missed the Red Line being breached.....again
I agree. If a Tomahawk is built similarly to other modern missiles - which I've actually seen inside of - there is undoubtedly some silver in there. A lot of the wiring is commonly silver-coated copper, because skin effect is significant at the frequencies being used. And there may be some items of internal equipment that are silver plated for various reasons, again largely to do with electrical resistance. But the total amount is likely to be less than 500 grams, not ounces.
That cannot be true. The friendly coalition must be standing shoulder to shoulder with Syrian forces against the evildoers. Assad is our FRIEND. It could not be otherwise! Western forces would never even think of breaking internatoinal law by committing an act of war within another nation's sovereign territory.
Speaking of war crimes, who is stopping those psychopaths who keep shelling civilians in Donbass?
Assad has always been our friend.
And we have the pictures of him dining with one of the Four Horsemen, John Fucking Kerry, to prove it!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408805/John-Kerrys-cosy-dinner-...
Kohn was just looking for a good place in Assad's back to stick the knife.
Sums up US foreign policy. Perfidious to the core.
And now there will be no more beheadings and the terrorist threat will be gone forever!
No???
Well, there's a Nobel Peace Prize in this for someone. I'll get back to you.
"American foreign policy has been reduced to a strategy of arming & training IS/ISIS/ISIL, in some regions, while bombing them in other regions..."
We can ship ammo and spare parts to both sides though so we got that going for us
If the International Community has a problem with ISIS, then they need to ask the CIA And Is real to stop training them in Jordan
The USSA is truly the Evil Empire. Even the dumbest liberal has to see through this fraudulent war of aggression against the sovereign state of Syria. Will we ever be free of these warmongering USSA fucks?
"Even the dumbest liberal has to see through this fraudulent war of aggression against the sovereign state of Syria. "
In theory you are right, however, you can't fix stupid.
Depends on what the menaing if ISIS ISIS.
This is brilliant, knukles... I tip my hat to you.
"I'll take "Israeli State Intelligence Service for $1,000," Alex
+1000.
ITIT ISIS self inflicted like the hard lethal mass on the liver of a man who likes to get fucked up.
Who else would it be? You can't think for a minute they would bomb anyone that has had a photo op with McCain would you?
Who the hell knows what it means, its Obama. The guy has talked out of both sides of his face since he got in there (and before).
Kitman, Taqiyya or just your average lying ass pol, who really knows.
In the end does it really fuckin' matter at this point? I am all for anything and everything that will bring this #ShitShow to an end once and for all. I mean christ there is now a chick with 3 TITS!!! Our species is pretty well finished at this point so bring on the reset and lets see how it plays.
Leave the boobies out of this farce!!!
If they are letting us know what's going on in front of the curtain makes me wonder what they are trying to hide behind it...
Damn!
The MIC is getting more funding, the factories will be working overtime. That means there will be more surplus military equipment for my police department, unified school district and post offfice!
I want my MP5!
Well that will teach Syria not to attace the US! Oh wait, Syria never attacked the US.
Well that will teach Syria not to threaten the US! Oh wait, Syria never threatened the US. That was ISIS.
Well that will teach Syria not to stockpile gas! Oh wait, Syria gave all that up.
Well that will teach Syria that the USA is crazy! America f@ck yeah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5A0pg4oN8
stupid
Volkodav, you don't need to cut yourself down like that. Those who vote will do it for you.
We're dealing with the forces of Gog and Magog, so you can't get too deep into the logic. Just keep pulling that trigger...
I think biden ought to get to gates of hell before them and set up an ambush with his shotgun.
What the fuck is going to happen when an F-18 gets shot down over Syrian airspace?
Long Potassium Iodide?
Why the fuck would they use the F-22?
Desperate to share the radar signature with Iran, China, and Russia?
Announcement over Gitmo loudspeakers:
To celebrate the US initiating airel bombardment of Syrian sovereign territory tonight, we will be hosting a mandatory bacon bit and whiskey tete a tete inside the guard dog compound at 0333 dark hours.
And don't forget to sign the guest book. You'll be automatically entered for a one way ticket to Qatar!
The force is strong tonight!
I believe you mean "The Farce."
False Flag Alert!!! U.S Air force reports one of their planes was fired on by a Syrian Mig today over northern Syria. The President has determined that Syria has crossed a 'red line', full retaliation against the Assad govt's air assets to begin ASAP.
/sarc off
Espirit my man, that means boots on the ground.
I can only dig down to 4 ft. before hitting ground water here in east central.
Imagine that you're a little better entrenched up there.
Any connection?
https://www.perpetualassets.com/news/2014/09/22/oil-being-sold-in-rubles...
Nice.
"What the fuck is going to happen when an F-18 gets shot down over Syrian airspace?"
Listening to the live feed above top, some knows it all had the same sort of question posed, or made the comment to the effect that if one of the coalition planes gets shot down by a Syrian fighter, the response from the coalition would be swift and overwhelmingly decisive leaving the clear indication that if the Syrian govt does defend it's country, the whole dang deal is on, and they will have their illegal al-CIA-DUH-IS war with Syria for the babylonian money king. Who else wants to play through to make money on the war machine?
Babylon.
It was such a grand day in the garden. Pondering peaceful ways and understanding how the whole world is awakened to how these criminals create wars over lies, and deceptions. Yes, surly they will stop them eventually before they really start moar war, right?
Then this story tonight after the long day hits the wayward wanderer.
Shirt. It begins. It seems that the controllers have full control over the bewildered and befuddled sheeples that do not give a ratts arse if they live, or die. This setup to instigate mccains war for profits and doom is well known about, yet the blatant insanity of creating this mess, financing it, and now starting the world war over it is just CRAZY! HEY WORLD...HOW GOSH DARN STUPID ARE YOU TO LET THIS HAPPEN??? We can now see it going full blown with the out-right intent to poke Syria into a war ONLY for oil and gas again. It is just stupid.
Meanwhile...ebola burbles in the background.
Not looking good for the home team when the umpire is cheating.
Sure hope the sky is blue tomorrow. Still got a lot of canning, freezing, and dehydrating of organic goodies to bring in before the early snow flies. May peace and sanity find a way before it becomes a world in which silence and darkness is all the universe hears.
Georgia Guide Stones...2014...Indeed!
It makes sense. I mean, if Russia were to start randomly bombing supposed terrrrrrists here in the US and we decided to get all defensive, they'd have every right to level DC and each state capital. Right? Just blow us to hell for our rank insubordination?
Syria's just asking for it, like a chick wearing a short skirt. How dare she tease us so? Pass the Rohypnol, mofo, because this is American foreign policy in the age of empire.
We're the good guys here! We're exceptional! Why's everyone looking at us like the retarded kid eating his own shit?!?
Jesus fucking Christ.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop snorting roofies.
Saakashvili eating his tie BBC.
http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=Kid379OjuC0
#Winning #Murica
WW3 just went from cold to hot...
Really? "After the bombing campaign then what?"
They sell USTs. Don't you fucking get it?!
No...I don't "get it." There is no "after bombing" campaign. This is the proverbial "I threw a party but forgot to send out the invites."
We just seem to be dropping bombs.
Goring tried that and it didn't work out to well.
Arabs bombing the fuck out of other Arabs.
And, off in the distance, an Israeli laughed. (And perhaps danced.)
Yep. Who has benefited from all this mess, especially since 9/11. Israel, big time. Also, Saudi Arabia. But ya they outta be getting a kick out of this. Israel gets exactly what it wants without having to lift a finger militarily. Just spend a little money on campaign contributions, and make sure the congressmen know what happens if they don't do as they are told. Pathetic. Disgusting.
Syrians are not Arabs. Syrians tend to hate Arabs, these days. I wonder why...
Anyway, I can't wait for all the downvotes.
Hey, you know the difference between a Syrian and an Arab? No? Neither does a Langley-guided Hellfire.
We have been bombing Iraq for 4 presidential terms now...? What did they do again? I mean what does our "government" want again?
I don't remember anyone asking me my opinion on the matter, is this another problem, reaction, solution moment where I pretend to be distracted from the implosion of the current control system?
Not buying it.
Well they danced and laughed and filmed next to the white van as the planes crashed into the WTC. F*ckin SCUM
I thought those where From
Israel secret service !..?
Well sAdam did invade Kuwait.
If command had not stopped the
French FAR , Saddam would of being killed that first week avoiding the next three presidential bombings.
WWIII
"Peace-meal WW3" -Pope Francis
I smell a new gas pipeline coming soon
Send it to China. That would actually help the US recovery.
Seriously. We're swimming in product. Just leave them alone.
If they want something they can buy it.
Attribution for your comment will have to go to Obama...'cause if you smelt it you dealt it
We all knew these criminals would eventually get their war in Syria. They just needed to use plan B
Plan B: Obummer's new red line on bombing Syria, is bombing Syria.
As if there is a building left standing as is.
See. Barry and Dean Wormer had Assad on double secret probation this whole time!!! Brilliant!!
Say what you want about the insanity of their objectives and extremely questionable methodology... they are finally exhibiting competence.
And 76% of Americans now support bombing ISIS... which will seamlessly and without notice morph into bombing Assad.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/sep/21/katrina-vand...
I am not sure we can keep the Russians from deploying S-300's at that point, they may have had enough of our shit by that time and prize their latakia base too much.
IMPEACH!!!!
Kon Tiki!
Thor Hyerdahl!
Cut Ukraine's gas more. Ask for payment in hard stuff
Plenty he can do.
Iran goes after Israel.
Moderate Religion of Love People start ... oh never the fuck mind.
Kinetic activity?
By Jebus how fucking stoopid do they think we are? An act of war by any other name stinks the joint up just the same...
I give up... We are led by absolute morons.
Syria has s300's right? did they stand down? or will there becross fire?
NO! No S-300 were passed into Syrian hands. Putin caved in to US and Israeli pressure to leave Assad open to air attack. In fact, since Russia can't use the export S-300 they planned to sell, they have the systems Syria was supposed to get, on line to be scrapped and disposed of.
If that's true, remind me again who plays chess and who plays checkers?
Or is it a question of how many moves out Russians play and how many moves out the Zio-Cons play?
Russia's next moves will tell us.
If this keeps up long enough, Russia will, at some point will wind up with some choices:
1) Fuck the rest of the world, they're keeping their resources.
2) Threaten (NOT a bluff, but a real threat) all out war.
3) Figure that all out war is inevitable and say "fuck it, missiles away!"
If they are to avoid being faced with those and similar choices, they need to figure out how to bring the USD down and get significant parts of Europe to pivot away from the US before we can complete whatever the fuck it is we're trying to complete. We may be to the point where choice 2 is on the table fairly soon. (Yes, the 'may' is weasel language, because there's some shit going behind the scenes that none of us are privy to, and that makes hard predictions dicey at best.)
OTOH, Syria is standing in the way of a pipeline to Turkey and that might take about the same amount of time to build as a pipeline from Russia to China.
Fuck, the "HULK SMASH" kind of imperialism would be preferable to this shit. At least we'd know what is going on and when to duck.
A pipeline thru Syria is bad , unless you already have a deal cut with Turkey .
I think we are all looking at the wrong country here, watch the squirel.
Kirk re. Next move. Announced now, Russia is taking Rubles for oil. Test case just delivered to NW Europe. See Jim Willie. Yuan is good too.
It is certainly a consideration. This is Global Chess.
Wrong! Putin is not stretched at all. His allies, the Rebel army, or NAF, has beaten all hell out of Kiev's army on the battle field, without any regular Russian armed force. Volunteers of course, but these are not part of Russias present field army, nor has any modern weapon passed out of Russian control, Russia is flush with modern missile systems for export, all perfect for Assads needs. Not only is Russia not stretched, they are growing their strength by the day in a crash program of defense, given the NATO assault on East Ukraine. Sorry, but this one does not fit facts at all.
How much do they pay you in rubles?
Are you in Moscow or St Petersburg?
How's the weather there?
yes,the weather in telaviv is warmer.
yes,the weather in telaviv is warmer.
One more time. I can't hear you!!
Nice try kike.
If Putin caves on Syria then he is just another NWO owned stooge. He should have kept his bargain on S-300.
putins actions with that piece of shit 7 or 12 point ukrainia plan
now this syriana crap is not helping his cause as a counter balance agent for good.
it would seem that deals have been done with the rabbi how quite was putnic when israel used tactical nukes in gaza and syria.
ohh dear
acts
theatre of operations.
if assad is going to go he should find a way to hit saudi,qatar and israel.
this christian man needs to dish out some pain to these in the closet talmudics.
Guys,
Putin sees the ‘grand’ picture. Putin knows how this ends, so he’s being careful not to be blamed for WW-3; even that he will, on the west media.
Putin knows when the US can not do through the dollar, US will take by force.
Things will become interesting if Assad is not giving an out and when Syria becomes a free fall, like Iran.
Free fall? Like Iran? Why would someone say such a thing?
conscious being,
Just look at Iran now.
And read Chris Hedges.
I wonder if he still can.
Lithium, man - lithium.
Get back on your lithium....
"Russia is busy in Ukraine. Putin can't help Assad much. He's already stretched out"
You look at things the wrong way : Obama was buttfucked by Putin in Syria around 2012 so he turned to Ukraine, hoping for a better outlook.
Now that he's been buttfucked by Putin in Ukraine (2013-14) he turns back to Syria hoping for a better outlook, etc etc
Syria Ukraine... Ukraine Syria none of these two will work and Obozo will leave the White House with a stretched rectum.
Funny. Putin doesn't need to do anything except monitor US aircraft and map the telemetry for China and Iran to prepare defences. The US is not going to cause Assad any problems - they don't want Turkey to fall to ISIS.
I should think Erdogan and Putin have their arrangement for the New Black Sea and if a US pilot falls into the hands of ISIS it will give the Networks a human interest story until the November elections
Yassssssssir! Here we go, a stickin' our noses under somebody else's tent with no adult supervision. Sharp sticks and hornet's nests.
Another fucking ME war, brought to you by the Good Folks of Love Diversity, Inclusion, Tolerance and Peace prizes.
The New And Improved Progressive War
Obie's got a war, Obie's got a war, Obie's got a war, Obie's got a war, Nah na nah na nah na
My guess is that 0bama wants us so busy with many diverse conflicts, that he will be able to "plausibly" ignore when his true allegiance China takes Taiwan.
"My guess is that 0bama wants us so busy with many diverse conflicts, that he will be able to "plausibly" ignore when his true allegiance China takes Taiwan"
You don't know the Chinese mentality : they'll rub the nose of the White House puppet in it when they take Taiwan.
They'll not offer any way out for Obozo or the one who'll come after him.
...and cue the retaliatory false flag domestic ISIS attacks that will dictate more security at the expense of liberty...
Weren't wars at one time about defending freedom and thwarting tyranny not destroying freedom and enabling tyranny??
*thinking if there ever was a war fought for the defense of freedom* Maybe one, and even that is questionable since we've fallen so far in just 239 years.
Lots of wars have been fought for freedom. The problem is, subsequent generations (that's us) get complacient and fuck it up.
False Flag in 3...2...1...
Golfer in Chief continues to formulate USSA foreign policy.
ISIS/ISIL have a map of all the bombing coordinates courtesy of Mossad…
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WB7, on target once again.
Superb William. I love your use of Francois on the left.
And Gold just lifted off......Look how it jumped...Wow.....$2.68. To the moon. What a fucking manipulated joke.
I remember duck and cover in the fifties. (Kiss your ass goodbye)
Fools drop one on Russian folks and you will get to practice this procedure.
"Let's see how Russia plays this. Should be interesting, especially if it becomes an obvious destabilizing effort against the Syrian regime"
The answer should be BUK missiles? Then Putin will bring "evidence" that the ISIS owns this type of material, therefore **they** shot the US planes, not Bachar.
Then after the death of 6 US pilots Obozo stops air strikes, his ratings go even lower and Putin laughs his ass off (again).
The end of the year and 2015 will be interesting...
"The answer should be BUK missiles? Then Putin will bring "evidence" that the ISIS owns this type of material, therefore **they** shot the US planes, not Bachar"
Bachar would be perfectly justified in downing the American planes. He HAS NOT approved of strikes over his territory. Syria is a SOVEREIGN country.
I was really wrong about this.... I really didn't think we'd go into Syria while ISIL was still shooting at Assad. Seemed so much easier to just arm the FSA and let them team up against Assad.
I too am curious to see what Russia will do when we start to destabilizing Assad either directly or indirectly.
with russia backing him...
i think longer...much longer...
well, WW3 just went hot...
so much for economic warfare..
bitchez!
This could be the reason for the gold smack down. It's highly likely this will result in a leg up, since this will have consequences. Slam it down to 1200, so even if it gains 10% in relatively quick fashion it's still not breaking the 1400 mark.
Pagan occultist Nazis initiated just as we enter the equinox here in the USA at 10:29 pm.
Just a coincidence.............Im sure.
[ROLLS EYES]