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The Decline & Fall Of Europe: French Farmers Set Tax Office On Fire
Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics,
French vegetable farmer have set a tax office and a building on fire destroying the government facility which was the symbol of the increasing administrative burden and sanctions that is killing farming. Hundreds of tractors and trailers of the farmers converged on Friday evening before the building of the Agricultural Social Insurance (MSA) in the town of Morlaix (Brittany). There they dumped unsold potatoes and artichokes before the MSA-building and added pallets and tires setting the entire lot on fire. Thereafter, the farmers moved on to the tax office set that on fire as well. The protests also took place in numerous other places as well, however, only these two government buildings were totally destroyed.
The association of vegetable farmers had announced the protest action on Friday. The background is that for years the bureaucracy for farmers have magnified the economic decline and their plight with constant new regulation of everything. The economic situation of farming in Europe has been seriously pushed too far with the US sanctions against Russia. The agricultural crisis caused by Obama is increasingly deteriorating with far too many farmers throughout Europe losing everything.
The economic numbers in France are simply devastating. We only see more regulation and raising taxes to support bloated government especially in France. It is quite possible that any reform is simply too late for the French government is bankrupt, which was admitted by the finance minister Michel Sapin himself.
The French government has not the faintest idea how to fix the economy because Hollande will not admit socialism does not work. He cannot even think that government is the problem no less his ideology he spent his entire life developing.
With France in a death spiral, all that is left is Germany but the Russian sanctions killed exports of German cars to Russia and food, while more than 50% of its municipal governments are bankrupt and yet another bailout of Ukraine is necessary not to mention Greece.
The German tax payers cannot shoulder the entire continent. It is ironic, but everyone has their hand out to Germany and it is appearing Merkel has voluntarily surrendered sovereignty to Brussels and agreed to effective reparation payments for both World War I and World War II just under the label bail out.
We are watching the decline and fall of Europe thanks to a completely failed policy and idea of creating a single currency without a single government – just insane. Saint Jerome said when Rome fell the Romans were still laughing. It does not appear anyone will be laughing without a new world cup to occupy the fools.
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"We didn't start the fire, it was always burning ..."
Roll out the guillotines !!
And I would have loved to see them use a trebuchet to launch a fire ball at that tax office
apparently the farmers have a monopoly on the balls market in France.
and it begins... The only surprise is that this was in France... Next stop, Brussels...
The author did not even mention that Europe is getting old. Gramps is going to want nothing but an unearned retirement in their socialist paradise.
Burning tires - where's DiCaprio to protest the protesters?
Oh that's right, he's busy holding back Legolas so he doesn't get into a slap fight with Bieber.
I love it when the French get froggy.
Setting a tax office on fire is more along the lines of enlightenment, than "decline and fall"
Fechez la Vache.
Oui. Fechez la Vache l
Ah yes that fine French tradition of rioting, I just wonder when they'll decide to overthrow the government. They'll probaly do it in the spring after a long cold winter.
Reminds me of Robert Newman's performance (paraphrased from memory):
During the French revolution, Brits used do travel to France and come back with amazing and inspiring stories of sacrifice in the name of justice leading to birth of a wonderful new form of government called 'The Republic'. Human will overwhelming the tyranny. Freedom being forged in the crucible of revolution!
Brits still travel to France and when they come back, locals ask them:
- Tell us what you saw! What did you see? What did you see?
- We saw... potatoes - pound-thirty, milk - pound-twenty, broccoli - one pound! It was unbelievable!
Socialist farmer subsidies no longer offset their tax? Where have I seen this before... oh yes, the USSA. We are capitalist, not socialist, ask your nearest retiree!
< meh > same as it ever was, shut off the subsidies and let's see who eats motherfuckers...
Yeah, this is one weird story.
While the sight of a mob of angry individuals burning down the tax office of an overbearing socialist state just has to bring a warm glow to one's heart, the fact of the matter is that these are French farmers, recipients of untold amounts of Common Agricultural Policy largesse.
In short: WTF??
We cannot even figure how much of the average income goes towards food because we'd have to go in and see how much is given away in subsidies and how those subsidies are actually spent.
Optimist.
We need French Farmers in Washington to burn out the congressional rats nests.
Along with their trebuchets and guillotines !!
Some good cognac would be nice too while watching the blades drop.
We can sure arrange that. French farmers are very stubborn and they do not fear the State. The State fears them. They are usually very quiet people (My Grand-father was a farmer in Normandy). But when the line is crossed... well pitchfork time literally. The ones from French Brittany are known for their pugnacity.
Under normal protesting circumstances (or Norman protesting), the French farmers would apply tactic number 1...drive the manure ("kaka") spreader in front of the government building and turn it on !
Therefore, it must be concluded that these are not normal protests.
I remember when French farmers successfully protested against the EU ban on pasteurized cheese. no fire or big demonstrations necessary, though
you know who was/is against pasteurized cheese? marketers. because not everybody can digest them, and this is a bad, bad thing for products if you want to have them Big Biz style in the big chains
and there you see the funny thing about the EU - expressly on demand by Haus-Targaryen: we economize. instead of having Florida banning that size of beer can and NY banning that other size of cup in the movie theather, we have one set of regulations. and this, folks, is (most of) "the EU", including subsidies to those French farmers, which interestingly keeps them alive instead of having to sell to Big Agro
alive, but not happy. globalization is not a friend of the small farmer. as the friendly Chinese garlic exporter tells me, be open, think globally
Putin is also not making them happy by closing his borders to some of their products. Should Europe follow Plan N and close it's borders to all food? decisions, decisions
Yes, because an economic zone with a standard set of regulations needs a foreign minister, a parliment, and a court system.
Asserting that the EU is "mostly" just a bunch of good ol' happy Europeans getting together to create common regulation to make life easier is just silly. Its a power grab at the expense of the people. The EU has created an entirely new Oligarchy, and will continue to destroy essentially everything it touches until it gets Ol'Yeller'ed.
lol, so you mean that in Florida there are no oligarchs setting the size of beer cans so that home breweries are at disadvantage? or in NY there is no oligarch hell-bent in having the whole world stopping smoking and drinking huge sodas? Try again. including on that part of a bureaucracy not needing a parliament or a court system on top of them
This reminds me of the "Your momma" jokes from elementary school.
I tell you your momma is fat, and even if she is, you merely reply with "well your momma is fat too."
Without a doubt we have a huge oligarcharcal problem, BUT that doesn't take away from the fact that --
You asserting the EU is nothing but a collection of regulations aimed to make peoples' lives easier is crap. You know its a crap argument. Give it up.
If it is MERELY just a collection of regulations, just as a limit on refillable olive oil bottels (if we are talking about Oligarchs) or the length of cuecumbers, then why does such institution need a parliment, a judiciary or a foreign arm. Why does a collection of regulation have "citizens" and "embassies" all over the world? Why does a collection of regulations have an anthem?
The simple fact is the EU, while it might have had humbe beginnings is no longer just a collection of said regulations. It is a quasi-state. You asserting that it is "just" a collection of regulations mitigates many of your other very valid points.
Lastly, if it is just a set of regulations, why does it need a bureaucracy. NAFTA is able to manage without any of that nonsense. Why can't the EU?
I'm asserting that in the world I know, there is always a fight between Big and Small Biz. I'm asserting that there is a tangible difference between being ruled by men and being ruled by laws. I'm asserting that regulations can be easily subverted by powerful interests, and that in my experience, the smaller a regulatory environment is, the easier it is to subvert it
nothing done by men is perfect. yet corruption is the real enemy, imho. and so I have more patience with a bureaucrat proposing lenght of cocumbers regulations then you, particularly since this kind of mistakes are wonderful press storm occasions that lead to a correction of the bureaucratic mistake
example above: I can eat cheese done with raw milk in europe, I can't in most of the US, or in some cases the small producer is not allowed to sell it to me
the olive oil bottles example is also good, did you ever go into the details? do it if you have time, you'll be amazed
the point I'm trying to make is not about people's lives made easier. it's about small and medium-sized producer's lives being made easier, with a level field of play
your opposition to an elected parliament in co-charge of this regulatory environment and common trade zone is still not clear, to me. yes, it looks like a quasi-state, and yet, no, it's subordinate to the member countries, and that foreign minister is there to coordinate. the EU FM has to execute what the council of the foreign ministers wants
NAFTA is a perfect example of how we don't want to do it. as a small producer being trashed, where do I go, in NAFTA? where is the judiciary I can seek out to redress? look at the thing again, and you'll see that NAFTA is a Big Biz playing ground. the US, has a huge oligarchical problem because it allows it. it embraces Big Biz as the only fit way of doing business. and this is the reason why Agro-Biz rules, in the US, while here the article is about small French farmers
and there is the big difference between how you look at those things and how I look at them. I judge the trading environmnent on the base of how small producers are treated
where the EU is heading is a completely different matter from what it is now. and yet, even there, the EU is currently the answer of small countries's problems in a global landscape dominated by giants like China and the US. Finland, Denmark, the BeNeLux countries, the Balts, Slovenia, Slovakia, Portugal, Ireland, Austria, etc. etc. did you note their sizes? you constantly only look at Germany, which frankly is too small, too, to resist this neo-liberal approach of "everything goes" which leads to oligarchic rule by subvertion of business rules in favour of Big Biz
do you have any idea how small this bureaucracy is, compared to the trading zone? it's 30'000 bureaucrats versus 500 million citizens. in comparison, the Secret Service in the US, which is only one smallish out of many outfits, has the same size. Germany alone employes millions in it's civil services
ghordie you eussr fascist cock sucking queer, fuck your eussr, death to the eussr.
I can has cheeseburger?
Americons have no balls. I see Merkel is making the Illuminati thing with her fingers. She must think that she is Jay-Z or Satan.
I don't know much about French agriculture, but when farmers start burning tax offices it can only mean one thing. They want more subsidies.
Do you have any idea of the magnitude of the disposal fees for used tires?
Much, much wiser to just burn them and take out a govt office or two at the same time.
This, my friend, is wise investing.
Usually it's the French farmers that are protesting for more subsidies and burning their old tyres.
Only the Front National can save them!
Do we call their supporters Vichy French?
Vichy? I don't see the point. Most of the souverainist people in France call for a restauration of the Gaulist policies. Do I need to explain who was de Gaulle?
I know perfectly well what a Gaulist restaurant is, thank you.
"I know perfectly well what a Gaulist restaurant is, thank you. "
"Gaulist restaurant"???? WTF?
"...people in France call for a ***restauration*** of the Gaulist..."
Was being a petty grammar nazi. Which was double /sarc since the conversation was about right-wing nationalists. mehhh... nm.
Fucking awsome!!!! Simply no other way to describe it.
The title should read "The awakening of Europe." At long last, about time it started to happen.
KILL IT WITH FIRE!
Decline and fall? This is like rebirth.
IB4 Ghordo extolls the virtues of the EU.
Haus, you still owe me a definition of conservative that is applicable to the whole world, and does note that there are conservatives everywhere. And while you are there, your definition of solidarity, complete with a moral guidance to it. oh, I forgot, you are what you are, you owe nothing to anybody. never mind, carry on
I wrote the equivlant to War & Peace in the Italy thread from yesterday you have yet to respond to.
EDIT - Conservatism as a political concept is relative to what you are comparing it to.
Solidatity as defined by the dictionary is -
- union or fellowship arising from common responsibilities andinterests, as between members of a group or between classes,peoples, etc.:
So I'll go with that definition. Although what we are debating is what we define asa "class" and "peoples" although, it probably frustrates you that Dictionary.com agrees with the Maastrict and labels peoples. I think the question is -- can you create a "class" or "peoples" or are these ideas organic and tied to the self-identity of said classes and peoples themselves?
you wrote a lot of things on which we actually agreed, and way more on things unrelated and not falsifiable or not worth the while
so conservativism is relative? are you weaseling out? you gave me the impression of having clearer ideas on what makes a conservative be so. note that conservatives aren't that much into relativity
so take solidarity among Germans: did you notice that they have very organic ideas on solidarity? are you aware that this solidarity did not extend to other tribes until the 19th? I'm talking Saxons, Bavarians, Franks, etc. At a certain point, Prince Otto invented (politically) Germany, and solidarity extended to all Germans. Do you deny the German identity? Do you deny German solidarity?
if you don't deny the (very young) German identity and you don't deny the (very recently developed) strong German solidarity among themselves... what is your problem with those Germans waxing about an European identity? My prejudice tells me that it's your prejudice (or that little thing of mistaking euro-ideas for US-Dems-ideas)
I got into it with a guy on Vice's forums -- he was a self-proclaimed socialist -- yet he considered himself a centrist. This conservative liberal diachomaty in the US is similar to the Conservative/Left here on the continent of Europe. It is relevant to what you are comparing it to, and to when.
Being conservative in Germany -- according to traditional terms would put you as a Union voter. If you are slightly left of center, you go with SPD, if you are lefter you go with Bündis 90, if you are Lefter you go with die Linke. However, people who vote for die Linke consider the SPD to be too conservative, whereas people who vote for the AfD consider the SPD too Left. Its a relative term that describes ones' own outlook on a political situation, from their point of view.
And an identity takes a while to build. Sure, the "German" identity is fairly new, however some of the old German kingdom's identities (think Prussia and Bavaria) have had their identities for centuries. Can you imagine less than 10 years after the founding of hte German Republic, the Prussians were told they had to sacrifice a good chunk of their quality of life to support the Bavarians, and the Bavarians were told they had to give up their democracy to show solidarity with the Prussians? IT wouldn't have worked. It took the US over 150 years and a civil war before we shared an identity enough to enjoy the USD as it is used today. Never mind the entire country spoke the same language, shared a common belief system, and spent money similarly -- something that the EU does not have.
The problem is the EU tried to hyper-accelerate this process, and asked many people to give up their identities they were born with and create a new "European" identity. (Sounds like the Soviets post WWII) When people vote along their identities they have had for, in some cases thousands of years -- and not along this new fangeled "European" identity (think France 2005) the leaders of the movement ignore the will of the people, and do what they want anyhow.
Just like the USSR the EU will fail. This lack of democratic accountability will be most certainly among one of the reasons, however, its fatal blow was trying to do it too quickly. Had they taken their time, and tried to make this a multi-generational thing, that takes hundreds of years to do, then it would have probably been successful, however right now the project just breeds resintment.
Ad hominem attacks aren't necessary.
Last job near Frankfurt. Hessen. Wife is Pfalzer. Her Pfalzer tribe is ~85km/52 miles from Frankfurt. We look at a house in Hesse area. She says first syllable of "Hallo". Owner of home, a Hessen, says to wife "You ain't from around here." I'm flabergastered of how Germans can hear the difference in there different dialects. I've heard some notice the difference when someone comes from a different village 3 miles away. Then there is the Catholics and Protestant themes.
Yeah -- its crazy. Some German dialects are incomprehensible.
If you want a linguistic experience try Plattdeutsch.
LOL! Some villages less than 3 km have a hard time understanding each other. This is great. Let Europeans be themselves. Screw the EU. Don't try to make everyone into a European. Let Germans be Germans, Italians Italian, etc. The people can get along. The politicians and their bosses the banksters are the evil ones who create wars and trouble.
I was asking what is a conservative for you. the whole point I'm trying to make is that you look at our political landscape and don't see the conservatives, only shades of socialists
too bad, I was hoping you'd give me the Rosetta Stone that would lead me to bridge this particular cultural gap
is the EU trying to successfully hyper-accellerate this process, or are there genuine people around that wish it? I thought the latter go on your nerves, and more so
anyway, I see that I can't reach you on the factual grounds I wish to lead our conversation. I find your arguments too strange, in the above comments you are against the EU parliament being unnecessary and in this one you talk about a lack of democratic accountability. it does not compute, for me
"just like the USSR, the EU will fail" is quite... dogmatic. a matter of faith. you are comparing a system of oppression with... a voluntary club of sovereigns? I remember the USSR, I saw it, I travelled in it. you can't even imagine what I saw
your are young, I hope you'll live to see if your predictions come true or not. good luck and good bye
Those Frenchies can never get it right. I told them to torch the tax officers, NOT the tax office. Bloody useless lot they are.
"ashes to ashes dust to dust"
We all know Major Tom's a druggie, strung out in heavens high, hitting an all, time, low
Well, if anybody knows how to roll out the guillotines...............it's the Frogs.
I agree. If there are anything the Frogs do better than anyone else -- its rioting and protesting. The Western world should take note of how it is done.
The Euro-zone is engaged in a talkathon, with fear of an immediate collapse off the table the members of the Euro-zone much like their political counterparts in America just talk about solutions without any action. For us in America news from across the pond dribbles out in small doses with almost daily media boost of promises that things are about to get better. Now with war a possibility they can only just keep talking. For more on all of "what is not happening" see the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/euro-zone-update.html
"They built a house of straw. The thundering machines sputtered and stopped. Their leaders talked and talked and talked. But nothing could stem the avalanche. Their world crumbled. The cities exploded. A whirlwind of looting, a firestorm of fear. Men began to feed on men." <Mad Max>
G'morning! How's everyone doing today? Top off your coffee for you? Big day ahead!
^^^^^ That's what I like about your posts. You're able to keep sarcasm out of them.
I believe the term is "Jawboning" and it is, apparently, an integral part of the partial Keynesian thinking.
Sure, we'll eat CAKE, but you're gonna eat FIRE, Bitchez!
Mass Fraud should be a crime against humanity.
Please support this petition at whitehouse.gov.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/mass-financial-fraud-should-be...
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Pass it on.
Mass Fraud should be a crime against humanity.
Please support this petition at whitehouse.gov.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/mass-financial-fraud-should-be...
The petition needs 150 signatures to go "live" to the public.
Pass it on.
No government does give a fuck about petitions.
Who for fuck sake has you, Americans, convinced that some fucking petition can change the system or the deep state?You are thinking like kids.
Get Europe out of America.
End welfare.
what kind of Europe is in America? what kind of America is in Europe? welfare? does America have welfare? if yes, is it European welfare or something completely different?
as a small reminder, our national health systems cost a fraction of what the American one costs, so whatever you have, it isn't European (though maybe Swiss)
Our welfare had nothing to do with receiving healthcare. It has to do with the fact that the healthcare industry that provides it is a government-supported jobs program. Like the Post Office. Like 80% of all government agencies.
You think giving people cheap, reasonably good healthcare is an accomplishment? Ha! Bunch of pikers. Try making it viciously expensive (only for taxpayers) but also supporting tens of millions of overpaid marginally-productive jobs while at the same time convincing everyone what they're doing matters.
You killed one bird with one stone. We killed three. "That's why we're richer than you."
You have a future as a speech writer for Jamie Dimon....
I have a feeling hat he is talking about our military bases in Europe. Get ours out and let Europe fund their own defense.
I am all for these to see the Leftiest here in Germany have a full on level 12 meltdown when Germany would have to, inturn increase defense spending.
It's pretty amazing when you think that Europe spends almost nothing on it's defense and they STILL ran the place into the ground faster than we did. Socialism is awesome.
Save in paper Swiss Francs, gold and silver my friend. Socialism will go after the bank accounts next as the governments are unable to bail out the banks at this point in time.
as a side information, those are small farmers, not agri-biz contractors. and they always liked playing "les enfants terrible". I remember being stuck at a border because they were blocking it, looong time ago. nevertheless, the poor chaps have the highest suicide rates of France. but again, their suffering is not a new development, and their greatest fear is that we get plenty of US (GMO) food imported
did you note how much trouble there is all over the world about supplying Europe with things Europe might not even want?
this, on the other side, is pure propaganda: "Merkel has voluntarily surrendered sovereignty to Brussels and agreed to effective reparation payments for both World War I and World War II just under the label bail out."
show me the facts, kiddo. which payments? to whom? and even if this was true - which isn't, only for the sake of discussion - what does it mean voluntarily surrendered sovereignty? Did Crimea do such a thing? Did Scotland, in it's own way?
Ghordo --
Are you seriously asking one of the Tylers whether or not that Merkel has voluntarily surrendered sovereignty to Brussels?
Are you familiar with this thing called the Treaty of Lisabon? It was signed in 2009 -- which Frau Merkel was in charge.
When discussing payments -- need we rehash the billions Germany is on the hook for re; ESM and EFSF, then independently various other bailouts since 2010?
Has Merkel done either of these two things in relation to France's collapse? No. I don't think that is what the Tyler is saying. Although, if we could get his clairification on this -- would be great.
Haus-Targaryen Don't waste your time on Ghordo, everyone knows he is a paid EU shill. Just like his elite friends he hates democracy and loves free masonry which infiltrated and overtook every position of power in local governments, unions and media, paving the way for bypassing real democracy to replace sovereignty by dictatorship.
Welcome to the EUSSR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFkyK6asqVEEU is a copy of the USSR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcUI do enjoy talking with him, I doubt he is a shill, but if he is a paid EU shill, he is by far the best one I have ever encountered.
That being said -- he does often have valid points, where he and I break, at least in my opinion, I am sure he thinks differently is the value of the EU.
I think the EU should only exist if it respects the democratic process of all the various nation states that take part in it.
I believe he believes that the EU is so important, that is should exist, even if its existance is in spite of nation-state democracy.
While in physics, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I think this applies to sociology as well. For every step closer towards tyranny we get -- people on "my" side of the argument will become more and more "militant."
One can only ignore the will of the people for so long until something, somewhere breaks. How the Southern Europeans are able to keep things together with unemployment so high is beyond me -- still. But, as I have said -- we are one Lehman Brother'S moment away from a financial fireworks show of epic proportions. If the EU can survive the next cataclysim intact -- I imagine it will be here for good. Will it be able to survive popular uprisings all over, the bankruptcy of the US and the Russian Bear becoming aggressive all at one time? Likely not.
Sorry, that's no longer valid, look at Greece or Spain, milions of peacefulle protesters on the streets, all they got was police using brutal force hitting and arresting people.
Spain: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=spain+protestors+police
Greece: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=greece+protestors+police
Italy: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=italy+peacefull+protest
Portugal: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=riot+portugal
Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDg-tdhwdKE
It just doesn't make any difference, democracy is replaced by financial elite dictatorship (Ghordo and friends)
I don't think Ghordo is a Bilderburger -- I think he was just brought up in a culture where the EU (or it coming into existance) is equivlant to Hot Dogs and Fireworks on the 4th of July for us. You can lay out logic until you are blue in the face, he can always come back with something -- that is based in reality -- that has been so warped to fit the Pro-EU narrative, he cannot think any other way.
He isn't nearly as bad as many I have run into -- and he has advocated for -- many times -- a European Confederation, and not a European Federation. The two concepts are dramatically different. The problem is -- if he wants a EC (European Confederation) he has to tear down the current system and rebuild -- and its this that hangs him up.
I imagine there is some part of him that knows its really fucked up, but he has been a supporter for so long, he just, can't not, be a EU supporter.
He is a smart guy, and I respect what he has to say, even if he thinks I am shallow child.
I agree that our friend Ghordo is very intelligent and well educated, but so are the bankers and the politicians who screw us day after day. Being smart is not the same as being fair or being right..
We can only hope that the EU will become more democratic in time, remember change is the only constant.
Southern Europe never should have signed up for the Euro. The Euro is essentially the DM Lite. Countries like Greece, Spain and Italy cannot survive with a strong currency.
Italy got hit with the Teuro then imports from China then endless endless EU regulations and taxes. The EU is a disaster as is the Euro. It might work for Germany and Holland but not for the rest of the countries.
oped a book and read it... You guys in a West don't want to study....
Instead our Occupy Wall Street people protest about global warming. How messed up is that?
The 20 somethings have no idea what's going on. They are being fleeced and just take it.
"our Occupy Wall Street people protest about global warming"
Coopted. From the beginning. Like the Tea Party.
"Actually there are no grassroot[s] revolutions, period. Any revolution is a byproduct of a highly-organized group of conscientious and professional organizers, but has nothing to do with grassroot[s]." http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2008/11/interview-with-yuri-bezmeno...
To a Keynsian that is way better than smashing windows & very bullish!
America's own Joseph Stack who piloted his aeroplane into an IRS building.
I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
–Joe Stack (1956-2010), 02/18/2010
Oh man did you just make yourself an NSA target.
I in no way laud Stack's actions or his worldview, just posting that nutty socialists are the ones that use violence to achieve their ends.
At least the french farmers shows som balls and reacts and riot... maybe we need more of this...
A freeze on bank deposits on its way!
French Farmers are the most protected class in the Eurozone....you cant import anything to France if a farmer there raises it....and subsidies up the wazoo
like in us. import the polish peace apples please.
The problem there now is they can't export, no export, no money.
I heard their grain crop is bad this year...so not much exporting
Gotta love Armstrong blaming Obama for global grain glut gutting gluten's gains of capital. Too many Gs.
The real problem in France is Wisconsin's camembert and roquefort sold at Costco.
We've got Joe.... the plumber.
One man who dared to ask a poignant question to the State Media Apparatus and their boy king.
"Sanctions killing farming"? Are those the "sanctions" that come in the form of marginally reduced subsidies that have been bank-rolling these exotic-mushroom farmers for the last 70 years?
Socialism is beau coup until the other garcon runs out of francs!
due to us and tel aviv.
What is that crap about "socialism" not working and Hollande's policies????
4real? Hollande's policies have nothing to do socialism no matter how you understand the world from communism, socialism or social democracy...
He changed nothing relevant, executive power lies in EU plain and simple. Germans are not the "boss" the one country part of EU that is allows to do whatever it wants on what is important is UK.
As for the people here expecting outbreak for the best... well it is laughable. Nothing will happen, this movement is going nowhere and fast. It will just result in use of force and damaged infrastructures...
DON'T FUCk with the farmers unless you relish tree bark soup....My only regrets in this sitution is the farmers stopped at the tax office since there's a lot more government that needs to be burned to the ground....
bureacrats can only regulate what their gov controls, so of course they regulate the hell out of it, job security and guaranteed paychecks. bigger the bureaucracy more bureacrats who must justify at least on the surface thier jobs, simple reason mega .gov's become tyrannies. over regulation and massive regulations do go hand in hand with giant .govs..that is the nature of of this enemy of a free man.
Wish Merkins had the kind of balls.
I now have far more respect for the average frenchie than for 95% of the gringo leeches out there.
Hollande is socialist only by the name, yet otherwise follows austerity measures as designated by Germany and EU. The Left wing of the government who do NOT approve of Hollande's line of austerity have been dismissed as was Industry Minister Arnaud Montebourg earlier this year. I guess the author here has to use any excuse, or opportunity seen, to condemn "socialism" or to lay there the blame ( appeals better to the USA reader ? ) rather than research and write up a more fuller and detailed explanation of the farmers' discontent and of the problems France and of Europe.
With a genius 75% wealth income tax I'd hate to see the left wingers!!!!!
Yet another smashing EU success story! Cue the anthem!
Now let's have them move on to the Monsatan offices as well as the various Rothschild estates in France.
Coming to the USSA sooner rather then later. STFU worker bees and produce honey! It's all for the children.
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Haus Swiss paper is kaputt also.
FRANCE.... where they fuck with their face and fight with their feet ... it's the same globally... RELOCATE THE USELESS PARASITES IN THE CITIES AND GIVE THEM FREE SHIT SO THEY VOTE COMMIES INTO OFFICE and then tax the living shit out of those who work to pay for the free shit.... burn baby burn...... plus you got a shitload of muzzies in the mix.... lovely
The Decline & Fall Of Europe: French Farmers Set Tax Office On Fire
First good news out of France since 1969!
Deflationary collapse in Europe is causing prices to decline, fomenting the unrest.
http://www.globaldeflationnews.com/deflation-hits-french-farmers-who-set...
I'll find it more interesting when they set the Benefits Office on fire.
People actually work in France?
Armstrong talks some truth between huge amounts of Bollox.
He can thus maintain his credit.
But his credit is not the truth.
The money power in control of Europe simply needs to reduce the size of the Euro scarcity engine by creating wars on its frontiers.
The grossly deficit UK with its exploding population and limited access to domestic food can thus get French agri products for a even cheaper price.
Soon the UK will reach 70 million people in a land without basic production.
If Scotland was somehow subtracted from the old union the truth would be even more difficult to deny.
UK with its exploding population.........more accurately its exploding non-British population.
I don't hold anything against those economic refugees.
They are a product of Global British and Euro union economic scarcity policy
Never forget the English resident population firist exploded after they had turned Ireland into a ranch.
The Irish were the first people en masse to arrive on English shores looking for tokens rather then wealth.
Living the dream.
"The French government has not the faintest idea how to fix the economy because Hollande will not admit socialism does not work."
France is not alone. Ditto Red Ed Miliband and empty suit David Cameron in Britain.
It doesn't matter what fancy names they call themselves, at the end of the day they all support ever more government, ever more secrecy, ever more societal control and ever more taxation. ie "socialism".
Fix the economy? Impossible without fixing the currency..
Debt Based Currency"French vegetable farmers..."
Is that a polite term for "midwives" ??
The American government has not the faintest idea how to fix the economy because Obola, and the entire left wing will not admit socialism does not work. They cannot even think that government is the problem no less their ideology they spent their entire life developing.
There, fixed it for the once great USA.
re ...socialism does not work
I assume you're referring to the socialism that Wall St has received to the tune $TRILLIONS since 2008?
You know - that socialism where the rest of us get stuck with Wall ST's tab?
Hollande supports EU banksters, IMF austerity for the working class,
military-NATO invasions of other countries, NATO expansion,
wasteful military spending, and
economic sanctions in support of the US and its fascist Ukraine dependency.
If one mislabels such as "socialism" in order to take a cheap shot
that "socialism does not work",
then I must suppose one is less interested in improving political understanding
than denouncing superficial political labels.
Hollande is no "socialist", nor is Obama.
Calling either of them as "socialists" only helps mislead and divide their opposition
by mistaking being anti-socialist as being against either Obama or Hollande,
and accusing actual pro-labor, anti-war socialists as being a friend of either .
Totalitarian rule of any nature should be opposed.
Can there be totalitarian rule, for example, by corporatists, bureaucrats, or religious zealots? Possibly even by a democratic majority?
There are self-identified "libertarians" who range from "no-government anarchists" to ones who support "a supposedly free market protective of corporate rights", a "strong military" and "anti-terrorist policing".
Similarly, there are various others, self-professed socialists, liberals, conservatives, Jews, Christians, Republicans, Democrats, etc. who support militarism, the "war on terror", the "war on drugs", "Patriot" Acts, and NSA monitoring.
And there are many self-professed leftists, socialists et al who oppose all of that.
Shifting the focus away from opposing totalitarianism instead to opposing some political label opens the door for prejudices, misunderstandings, self-righteous myopia, and self-defeating divisiveness.
Uncritically accepting the popularity-seeking labels assumed by political parties or leaders is lazy thinking at best.
The Democrat party supports neither actual socialism nor actual democracy.
The NAZI, national socialist party, wanted to portray itself as a pro-worker party, though it in fact supported private ownership under totalitarian rule ( a form of corporatism).
Anarchism (no government control) is one end of a political spectrum, as opposed to totalitarianism (total government control).
Those who reject total anarchism and hence by definition accept some degree of state sovereignty can be categorized as to the type of government they support.
Neither a "socialist" ( meaning politically both giving priority to workers and public ownership of the means of production) nor a "capitalist"(typically giving both priority to business and private ownership) requires also being a supporter of a totalitarian government.
Exactly. Martin Armstrong is either being dishonest or hasn't a clue what "socialism" means.
When I was studying Economics I finally decoded the message the "Milton Friedman" school of economists were peddling: the way things work out for regular people sucks, but anything the government tries to do about it makes things even worse.
The "liberal economists" agreed that the way the workings of the economy turn out for regular people sucks and there's no alternative, but thru government spending, tax policies and regulations we can make it suck less bad. This pretty much describes Hollande. No challenge to a dying system at all. Hes no more a socialist than Barack Obama is.
But wait. Armstrong calls Obama a socialist too, right? I guess we're not going to win this one.
For another perspective ... and how the French see things:
"Efficiency for the French is a poor measure of the good life, just as making a buck from the sale of a house pales before the expression of feeling about what a house may represent. Whether this is good or bad hardly matters. It is often bad for the French economy. It is also a fact of life.
These distinctive cultural components of nations are probably underestimated as globalization and homogenization create the impression that the same standards or systems can be pursued everywhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/opinion/roger-cohen-truths-of-a-french...
Considering how the bankers and corporations denied the Scots their Freedom last week, perhaps many French see the need to foment another revolution against the "elites"!
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité"
Because that first revolution, which gave birth to our current worldview, has worked out so well.
Off with their heads.
Farming in a socialist country is all about cheese, the .gov variety that is
These farmers are not protesting .gov intervention, they want more, a bigger slice of the utopian ever shrinking socialist pie
I speak from experience, you practically need an accountant on staff to fill out the myriad of endless paperwork that goes with running a farm
This is all good news. Worse is better. Only way to bring down the whole rotten contrivance.
"Socialism does not work" well so far neither does Capitalism!
Capitalism? Where?
In my opinion the best system is a combination socialist/capitalist, like West-Europe used to have.
Please read Einstein's view on both systems and you will know what got us here...
Albert Einstein is the world-famous physicist. This article was originally published in the first issue of Monthly Review (May 1949). It was subsequently published in May 1998 to commemorate the first issue of MR‘s fiftieth year: http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
you mean crony capitalism?
If the farmers want real change try burning the crops. Dumping the milk in the ditch. Its the fruits of labor that keeps the beast alive. Starve the beast to death. They made my crop worthless? Well fuck you print up some food ya money printing lazy fucks.
Dump,plow under,destroy it all. Money should have a real value because it is traded for things that do have a real value. The idea that one would ever need to subsedize any farming is insane. This just shows how busted the monetary system is. To prop up a productive endevor with something of no value at all. Come on stop kidding me.
Why keep on producing if the reward is nothing of value? Rather than sell it at a loss dump it. Does anyone think TPTB give a rats ass about burning a building or ten? Dont mess with the farmers they have real power. They can and should control the fruits of thier labor. Not some pack of fleas.
the farmers run france
socialism in france? all the way until they become a german state
Global recessions start with Wall Street crashes, 1929 and 2008.
The 1930s legislation that keeps the Wall Street half-wits on the straight and narrow for seven decades makes the world a safer place.
Re-instate it, before its too late.
When will Americans have the balls to do something like this?
not soon enough
How about this. Adjust the price of your production against fuel prices. Use fuels costs to find the true value of the fruits of your labor. Screw this shell gaming of values.
the roof,
the roof,
the roof is on fire...
we dont need no water let the motherfucker burn,
burn motherfucker,
burn
The tax department called the military which promptly surrendered as is custom...
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité, bankruptzé"
In Belgium the pears were not picked off the trees. Yet the IMF will require that Loans are needed.
Bullish
Decline? I don't think so. Its a start.
EU = last gasp of ancient crony oligarch feudal system. Fortunately it will soon dissolve and allow peace and prosperity to replace its pernicious policies.
This is what kills me. I turn the TV on, and watch a CBS news story about a two legged dog getting a wheelchair, but nothing about the world around us that matters.
Its almost as if all MSM wants to distract us from reality so we can go about buying shiny things that blink.