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Germany's Largest Export: Hypocrisy?

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Authored by Josef Joffe, originally posted Op-Ed via Reuters,

A MG3 automatic weapon that is part of a German military aid shipment for Kurdish forces in Northern Iraq is on display for the media at a storage facility of the Bundeswehr armed forces in Waren 

Who is the world’s No. 3 arms exporter, after the United States and Russia? Surprise. It is Germany, a country bound by law to supply only allies and peaceable folks like (neutral) Switzerland or Sweden. Off limits are “areas of tension” — bad neighborhoods that actually need the stuff.

Yet somehow, Israel and Saudi Arabia, both living in the world’s powder keg, are among Germany’s best customers. So are Algeria, Qatar and  the United Arab Emirates.

What doesn’t go directly finds its way on the international arms bazaar. Consider, no self-respecting drug czar — Russian or Mexican — would flaunt a Czech-made “Skorpion.” It has to be a Heckler & Koch MP-5, also much beloved by U.S. Special Operations forces.

Pistol of a German Bundeswehr army soldier with the 3rd company of the Quick Reaction Force QRF is pictured in a combat outpost in the outskirts of Kunduz

But never, ever has Germany delivered to nonstate forces. This month marks a profound break with that tradition. Germany has agreed to send weapons to the Kurdish Workers’ Party, or PKK, a military and political group in northern Iraq, with the bulk of more sophisticated arms going to the peshmerga forces. Not exactly buddies, these two outfits are fighting the Islamic State.

The Kurdish Workers’ Party is due to receive 8,000 G3 assault rifles — almost museum pieces — that were issued to the German armed forces in 1959. The peshmerga forces get more recent hardware: 8,000 G36, the current rifle of the German army. Plus 30 antitank systems with 500 missiles. Add in a few tens of shoulder-held antitank rockets, 40 machine guns and 10,000 hand grenades. The package is worth about $90 million.

Not much compared to those modern U.S. weapons — tanks, artillery — that Islamic State militants have amassed by plundering Iraqi depots. But it is still a dramatic break with precedent.

Chalk it up to Islamic State. Every time this killer brigade murders a Western hostage, it enlarges the U.S.-led coalition. Britain, for example, refused to bomb along in Syria, making President Barack Obama desist. Now its combat planes will join the battle.

Will German troops do so, too? Don’t hold your breath.

German Bundeswehr army soldier of the ISAF mans his weapon atop of a Fuchs APC camp before leaving for a night mission in Kunduz

Consider the modest arms deliveries as a substitute for intervention — a time-honored tradition of nations that would rather not march and fight. Germany has flown along over Serbia during the Bosnia wars, and it has dispatched ground troops to Afghanistan. But compared to the fierce German onslaughts in World War One and Two, today’s Germany is as aggressive as a pussycat.

Evidently, losing two wars, and losing them big, does not favor a warrior culture. Today, Germans are as pacific as the Swedes — the scourge of Europe in the 17th century.

But it isn’t all about remorse and redemption. Far weightier is the fact that postwar West Germany could enjoy a comfortable existence under the U.S. strategic umbrella and its North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies. At the height of the Cold War, 300, 000 U.S. troops were deployed to Western Europe, together with thousands of tactical nuclear weapons. Half a dozen other nations were also part of the “forward defense” close to the Iron Curtain that cut Germany into East and West.

West Germany, the “Federal Republic,” could enjoy the fruits of peace Made in U.S.A. It was safety on the cheap. Whereas the United States, Britain and France devoted from 5 percent to 6 percent of gross domestic product to defense, the Germans could get away with less than 3 percent. Today, Germany is heading toward 1.3 percent.

The upshot is this: Even if the Germans wanted to intervene in Iraq, they could not. Their ground troops have shrunk to 60,000. They do not have the projection forces: ships, tankers, air transport. They don’t have space-based  surveillance systems, nor the special forces that  are replacing classical armies in the theater – as Washington demonstrates. Germany does still have two squadrons each of “Tornado” and “Typhoon” fighter/ground-attack aircraft. These, however, would have to be refueled by U.S. tankers.

Given how quickly the NATO allies ran out bombs in Libya, the United States would also have stand ready to replenish German stocks of airborne precision munitions. Yet the Germans could theoretically join the British and French on bombing missions against Islamic State fighters. Right now, that is a no-no, so arms deliveries are acting as a nice substitute.

But remember the rule: Islamic State has turned out to be the West’s best coalition builder. Secretary of State John Kerry has had a reasonably easy time to harness the willing.

As the most recent murder of a British aid worker shows, Islamic State is unlikely to end this horror soon. It is part of the plan. Assume, for example, a German is slaughtered on YouTube. Though the German public is now strongly anti-involvement, they may recoil in righteous anger. Such grisly events turn moods and long-held convictions.

If so, German bombs might follow the surplus weapons into Iraq.

 

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Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:29 | 5248851 Stoploss
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Always follow the money...

 

Looky, looky.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:35 | 5248882 free_lunch
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Always follow the money ?

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:40 | 5248895 hedgeless_horseman
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But never, ever has Germany delivered to nonstate forces.

...except, of course, non-state forces in America...FUCK YEAH!

The MR762A1 LRP uses a barrel produced by Heckler & Koch’s famous cold hammer forging process. The highest quality steel is used in this manufacturing process, producing a long-life barrel that provides superior performance with minimal degradation of accuracy and muzzle velocity after prolonged use. The barrels are manufactured in Germany and finished in the USA.

 

The MR762A1 used in the “Long Rifle Package” is being produced with the same commitment to quality as German-made HK firearms. By using joint U.S./German manufacturing, Heckler & Koch leverages the relative strengths of two continents to make the preeminent AR-type firearms, combining the design innovations of the USA and Germany into superior products.

 

FIND A DEALER, BITCHEZZZZ!!!



Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:42 | 5248911 ebworthen
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"Hut hut hut hut hut!"

SWAT loves H&K!

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:54 | 5248985 ZerOhead
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Plus 30 antitank systems with 500 missiles...

 

I never knew ISIS had 500 tanks... Iran yes... ISIS nope.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:09 | 5249060 SAT 800
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sometimes people hide behind walls.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:13 | 5249079 negative rates
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Those are allies and peaceable folks.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:24 | 5249122 SWRichmond
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German quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJkU4Sah8I

2nd half of vid shows MG42 firing at 950 rounds per minute, then barrel changeout for behind the gun, recommence firing.  "Hitler's Buzzsaw"

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:35 | 5249164 Haus-Targaryen
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This is a really stupid article.  Sorry Tylers.  Which ever one of you wrote this -- 

Absent ISIS air dropping their entire Caliphate into downtown Berlin -- the Germans wouldn't get involved.  And if ISIS magically showed up in Berlin, you better believe that the Germans would ask the Frogs permission first.   

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 00:41 | 5250628 COSMOS
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Overheating

In April 2012, reports surfaced that G36 rifles used in Afghanistan would overheat during prolonged firefights after several hundred rounds were fired. Overheating affected the accuracy of the G36, making it difficult to hit targets past 100 meters, ineffective past 200 meters, and incapable of effective fire past 300 meters. The G36 has been called unsuitable for long battles. HK said the rifle was not designed for sustained, continuous fire. German soldiers gave no negative feedback. Operational commanders advised allowing the weapon to cool between periods of rapid shooting.[13][14][15] In February 2014, the Federal Ministry of Defence announced that the overheating deficiencies of the G36 was not a result of weapon design, but of the ammunition. The manufacturer of the ammunition confirmed this,[16] although experts disagreed.[17]

A report by the Bundeswehr on February 21st, 2014, revealed that the issues were not the fault of the rifle, but that one manufacturer of ammunition was making bullets with copper plated jackets that were too thin.[18][19]

On June 22, 2014, it was reported that Germany’s defense ministry has temporarily halted new orders worth €34 million ($46 million) over the accuracy concern of the rifle. The Bundeswehr consulted the Ernst Mach Institut and the Federal Criminal Police Office. [20][21]

German PRODUCTS are CRAP, give me a RUSSIAN WEAPON ANY DAY

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 01:28 | 5250682 malek
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 after several hundred rounds were fired

Yeah, every German soldier carries the equivalent of one large ammo box, but in magazines, on him.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 09:12 | 5251129 Wolferl
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Yep, and every German does combat with an an assault rifle by firing hundreds of rounds at a time at a distance of 200 or 300 meters. You are a stupid moron who is killing every assault rifle in the world if you try to do that, it´s like driving a car in first gear at full gas till the motor gets bust. You use machine guns for that kind of combat and even with those kind of weapons you have to change the barrel from time to time, because even those can´t stand the temperature over a longer period.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:16 | 5254336 malek
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Did I really need to add a /sarc tag on my previous post?

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 19:42 | 5249746 SAT 800
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Exactly; it makes the M-60 "Pig" look like the piece of crap it is. Designed by a government committee; by the way. Yes; a committee !!

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:38 | 5249166 MarsInScorpio
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Who here has failed to comprehend that as of today - international law is officially "inoperable?"

 

It's Jungle Law from here on out - you do whatever you want to do unless someone out there with a bigger military force stops you from doing it.

 

National sovereignty? Laughable.

 

War crimes? Only if you are the loser.

 

Restrained by debt? Not if you own the printing presses for the world's reserve currency.

 

You get the idea. Throw everything out the window that you knew - none of it applies any more.

 

Obama has returned humanity as a whole back to its jungle origins - he has made humanity savages without conscience . . . animals without a soul.

-30-

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:41 | 5249190 Monty Burns
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Obama has returned humanity as a whole back to its jungle origins

Well you see that's what 'his people' do. Comes naturally.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 19:38 | 5249731 Quantum Nucleonics
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The notion that there ever was such a thing as "international law" is naive in the extreme.  Well, then again, there is an international law, here it is...

Volume 1: Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Volume 2: The collected works of Carl von Clausewitz

Volume 3: Niccolo Machiavelli, Il Principe

Volume 4: Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War

Volume 5: David Petraeus, Counterinsurgency Field Manual

Volume 6: Alfred Mahan, The Influence of Sea Power

Volume 7: Giulio Douhet, The Command of the Air

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:44 | 5248929 LawsofPhysics
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Nice.  We use these in our local SWAT.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:50 | 5248960 NoDebt
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My Cub Scout pack just got a shipment of those.  We're earning our marksmanship badges.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:03 | 5248982 hedgeless_horseman
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Be prepared [very].

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:15 | 5249089 negative rates
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It won't be enough, trust me.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:14 | 5249084 SAT 800
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LOL. Cub Scouts from Hell.!!

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:36 | 5249378 yellowsub
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He's not kidding, 9 yr olds firing Uzi at shooting range but that didn't work out well...

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 18:30 | 5249535 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Yeah, Germany's smart enough to not send their soldiers all over the world (yet). Also smart enough to keep their high quality mfg base local. Of course the article didn't mention that the germans build submarines for Israel, put together nuke bombs, etc. in addition to the rather pedestrian arms dealing. Makes a lot of money for them.

As for their hypocrisy, I suppose any of the 'great powers' of Europe are really self-serving douches once you get to know them. Germany, Britain, Russian, even the sneered-at French-- they'll all kill you if it suits their needs. There is no "commitment to peace" or benevolence to be had for long.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:05 | 5249039 Stoploss
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Hedge? No suppressor? It's beautiful.

Just got a new one a little while back, got to put all the goodies on it though, kinda plain right now.

I like the Panthers.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 21:31 | 5250108 decon
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H&K are very nice but I like Sig Sauer.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:35 | 5248884 Spitzer
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Never trust a toaster headed kraut.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:41 | 5248894 Wolferl
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Joffe is an idiot. Not only he has no clue about the German armed forces. He still don´t understands that Germans just don´t want to be so stupid to fight the wars of the anglo-american empire. Let the usual dumb cannon fodder of the Anglos like the Canucks or the Aussies or others go to war.   

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:29 | 5248852 hognutz
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Seig heil!

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:33 | 5249146 Kirk2NCC1701
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It's "SIG Heil!"

Where...  SIG = SIG Sauer, and Heil! = "Greetings!" or "Heal!"   No law against being punny.

p.s. It's "Sieg", not "Seig", where Sieg = Victory.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:31 | 5248862 VonSalza
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Achtung, Panzer!

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:47 | 5249415 Dugald
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Achtung, Panzer.....Nah!

Achtung Aussie yer fuckers, see our hop by wire pouch loaded kangaroos....be afraid, very!

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:33 | 5248868 RabbitChow
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I LOVE the MP-5!  But sadly, I can't afford one.  And even though Germany is in europe, they have some of the most liberal laws about guns in general..You are allowed to own full auto weapons.  They just have to be disassembled.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:07 | 5249049 zuuma
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MP5's are fine and all that, but 9mm?

For me..  ahhhh... a Buttery-smooth, shimmering G3.

It's like dancing with a St. Pauli girl (with two big ones). Nice, easy pull. Big Bang. Minimal recoil.

Big, burnt-on stripes on every bent up spent case - and they fly 10 meters.

Best of all, 147 grains of hot, tapered, twisting metal love, easily knocking off a towel at 800 yards.

and they shoot anything. From nice, shiney match to filthy, dirty russian crap - no complaints.

Rock -n Roller Lokkin', oh yeah!

 

I need a cold shower.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:12 | 5249070 SAT 800
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The Germans are very, very good at this business; or this technology. they make really, really, good weapons. Like our Abrams Tank main gun for instance which is built under license from Rheinmetal; (it's a German Patent).

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:14 | 5249076 SAT 800
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Yes; no one can argue with you. T he G3 makes it's competition look like junk.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:49 | 5249423 Dugald
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Nothing shoots as fast as a disassemled nug, cycles faster due to greatly reduced friction....

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:32 | 5248869 Bill of Rights
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How To Use Money Supply Statistics For Market Predictions | Seeking Alpha

Very good read...

Key take away

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Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:36 | 5248872 Piranhanoia
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My brother's girlfriends mother's donkey works online selling fully automatic Shickelgruber 9000's on the internet and makes $9000 a month but has to buy more weapons and can't afford hay.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:35 | 5248877 MarketTruth
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MOVIE: The International... now IRL.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:42 | 5248916 Spitzer
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That's an excellent flick.

Lord of War and The International are my favorite movies

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:41 | 5248891 ebworthen
Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:39 | 5248897 roadhazard
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Gun makers don't kill people, morons do.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:26 | 5249130 SaCalobra
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Morons with guns.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:46 | 5248944 khakuda
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Not really surprising.  The modern assault rifle had its origins in WWII germany where german engineers were excelling in the art of killing lots of people quickly.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:56 | 5248972 10mm
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That would be the STG44, the first (ASSAULT Rifle). Late into war and did't do much in terms of turning tide on battle field/close quarter

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:39 | 5249180 Freddie
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First used by German Paratroopers to rescue Mussolini.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TMswStoPzY

Check out the ammo (not made anymore) and a weird size.  I would not want to get hit with it.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:36 | 5249170 Monty Burns
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I imagine the atomic bombing of the undefended cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have killed a lot faster. But maybe I'm wrong, you seem to be an expert.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:49 | 5248954 Confused
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Yet somehow, Israel and Saudi Arabia, both living in the world’s powder keg, are among Germany’s best customers. So are Algeria, Qatar and  the United Arab Emirates.

 

Yes, yes, and what do all these countries have in common? Oh, right, they are part of the power structure in which the current status quo rests and big money interests. This article is just nonsense. And weapons sales is a particularly big topic in Germany at the moment. 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 15:56 | 5248994 SaCalobra
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Measured per person, peaceable folks like Sweden is third in the world in weapon export. Even though we claim to sell only to countries who are not involved in wars, our guns and equipment end up in all wars in the world.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:10 | 5249065 Monty Burns
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Typical. When Germans stand up and fight for what they believe - rightly or wrongly - they're classed as dangerous war mongers.  When they deploy their mainfold capabilities to production they're denounced as pussies.  I for one never believed that post-War Europe was about to be overrun by big bad USSR.  Documents released after the fall of that country reveal that there was strong pressure within the post-Stalin Politburo to withdraw from what was then East Germany.

So according to this writer Germany's "defence" spending should proportionately be more in line with that of America which exceeds that of the next 20 countries combined.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 21:39 | 5250134 IronForge
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The Writer was talking about Percentage of GDP, so it makes sense. 

They need to be able to defend their Merchant Ships; and yes - eventually, they may need to deploy Troops abroad in a serious way.

This PostWar Pacification by the Allies was possible due to the TEAM_USA Quasi-Occupying DEU (and JPN, for that matter) via NATO (and the USA-JPN Security Pact) induced by the presence of the Warsaw Pact.  The USA did carry and provide the bulk of the "Raw Iron" and the Nuclear Umbrella involved in the Defensive Posture. 

DEU was able to live with such a low expenditure profile BECAUSE of the US_Imperium.  Since it's due time to call our Troops Home - and for DEU to assert itself, bumping those figures up is acceptable.

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:56 | 5249086 Monty Burns
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Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:02 | 5249020 youngman
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I had a PSG1 for 5 years...a closet queen..new in Box....just an investment..but a beautiful gun.....

Down here in Colombia the Police have Sig Sauers...the USA sold or gave them to them....we probably paid for them...but the Germans found out,,and its illegal what we did..send their guns to this dangerous zone...lol

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:02 | 5249026 10mm
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Krupp corporation supplied supposed enemy countries with hardware during war.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:05 | 5249041 LetsGetPhysical
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hypocrisy is nothing new to europeans.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:22 | 5249063 Goldilocks
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Foo Fighters - Everlong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBG7P-K-r1Y (4:49)

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:14 | 5249081 Bunga Bunga
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Germany gives the weapons actually for free, like submarines to Israel:

http://whiteresister.com/index.php/stories/138-germany-gives-israel-nucl...

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:42 | 5249168 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, at first they didn't want to (give them for free), but Israelis and their German Lobby gave them...  "6 Millions Reasons"

Seems to be a compelling argument that works on the German government every time and on most Germans 90% of the time.  Personally I would have charged them DOUBLE, to (have to) be a party for another potentail Nuclear Holocaust.  But Germans don't know how to haggle with Jews or Israelis.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:55 | 5249432 Monty Burns
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The Germans have been bled dry by the Israelis for over fifty years and, unbelievably, it still goes on as Holocaust™ "survivors" keep emerging with their hands out for reparations. 

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 19:44 | 5249754 SAT 800
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Dude you are t alking about some t ruly horrific shit that you know not hing about; less than nothing.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:34 | 5249165 Peter Pan
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Someone once made the comment to me that "Germans do not dance...they march." I pray that I am wrong but I suspect that Germany will one day start goose stepping once again. Waging war is at best a dormant German trait which only needs to be rekindled.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:02 | 5249271 Swave
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Actually waging war seems to be an Amer-Anglo-Zio trait.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:49 | 5249419 Monty Burns
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Complete bullshit.  America and its Anglo cousins have a far more aggressive record. How do you think Britain got an 'empire on which the sun never set'?   I have no connection to Germany but the endless demonization of that country and its generally fine people pisses me off.

Time for a German Day of Rage http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2011/04/time-for-german-day-of-rage.html

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 18:36 | 5249555 Swave
Tue, 09/23/2014 - 23:30 | 5250463 casfoto
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I agree with what you say about the demonization of Germany. They are fine people..but when war comes they just are better at it...so they are always going to be demonized by those that are afraid of them. This constant put down of a group of people that have smarts is not right. Read "The Sleepwalkers" ...all about how Germany and Austria Hungry was set up for WW1 and of course that led to WW2.

And Britian, exactly....that tiny little island had the best killers in the world. My mother was from Stafford and she would always talk about how kind they were to their animals...although she was right that they did like their animals, they sure treat the Indians like hell during The Raj. I guess people generally just don't study history.

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:40 | 5249183 MarsInScorpio
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Who here has failed to comprehend that as of today - international law is officially "inoperable?"

 

It's Jungle Law from here on out - you do whatever you want to do unless someone out there with a bigger military force stops you from doing it.

 

National sovereignty? Laughable.

 

War crimes? Only if you are the loser.

 

Restrained by debt? Not if you own the printing presses for the world's reserve currency.

 

You get the idea. Throw everything out the window that you knew - none of it applies any more.

 

Obama has returned humanity as a whole back to its jungle origins - he has made humanity savages without conscience . . . animals without a soul.

-30-

 

 

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 19:46 | 5249762 SAT 800
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Just like Africans, you mean? Yeah, something like that.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 16:45 | 5249211 Kirk2NCC1701
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BELGIUM also supplies tons of small arms, mostly to State agents.

/ Must be how they can afford to buy $30B in USTs per month.  /sarc

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:11 | 5249294 q99x2
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I think they should keep all that stuff for their own army and get rid of the outdated NWO idea. That'll never work.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:13 | 5249302 css1971
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Wasnt there some sort of arms proliferation treaty which all the EU countries signed?

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:13 | 5249307 gcjohns1971
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The news here is not the arms.

It is the intervention.

This is the path that a smarter US & UK could have followed if in their hubris they had not abandoned and turned on every proxy they've had in the last 40 years.  So, the PKK gets the tools to do, what it already wants to do. 

In an environment of sufficient trust, by which I mean one where the proxy were not 100% sure they'd be subsequently screwed, this could have been the much more substantial Shia militia under Al Sadr, with support from the US, UK or both.

With a local self-interested proxy, they could keep their hands clean all the way to the borders of Syria, where they could support the establishment of a security zone...right along a proposed Qatar-Syria pipeline route...  And when the Russian's object, they could be painted as the allies of the head-chopping, wife-stealing, civilian-killing barbarian hordes of ISIS.

Instead they have to attack Assad... (AHEM!) ... ISIS in Syria while hoping their own populations are too anesthetized to notice that the wrong people are getting bombed...  

So, am I saying that they're really bombing Assad and not ISIS in Syria?

I am saying that they would pull back those who are arming the 'Syrian Insurgents' (a.k.a. ISIS) before bombing them... and the President has made clear the administration is still intent on arming them...

My response?

"Just how stupid do you think we are?"

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:19 | 5249330 22winmag
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The finest general purpose rifle cartridge ever devised... the 8mm Mauser.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 19:49 | 5249770 SAT 800
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But what you don't know, and neither does any other american; is that we stole the 30-06 from them; and after WW1 they sued us for patent violation and we paid up out of court to avoid embarrassing the current administration. Look it up. The 30-06 is a patent enfringed 8mm Mauser; and so is the rifle; the Springfield. Look it up, by all means; don't take my word for it.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 20:39 | 5249931 Socratic Dog
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Interesting.  Is the 8mm really that good?  I know the mauser rifle is, I understand it is considered the finest bolt-action ever built, and is the basis for most fine rifles built since.  But I thought the 8mm ballistics were inferior those of the the 30-06 (as well as the .308).  I also understand that the 7.62x54R ballistics are close to those of the 30-06, and thus superior to the 8mm and the .308.

Incidently, 8mm mausers and ammunition were quite cheap a couple of years ago; don't know if they still are.  Nice backup main battle rifle.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 02:14 | 5250718 steelrules
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I think the Best cartridge is what I can buy cheap! copper washed steel cased .308 for my M14, steel cased 7.62x39 for my VZ 58 and SKS and Brass cased .223 for my AR15, all of it Chinese & Russian, I've shot crates and crates, thousands of rounds of this stuff and it runs good. For long range target work I run .338 lapua magnum and .300 WM, these 2 rifles are chambered in $5 bills even with my hand loads.

Edit to add: China sells a shit load of arms and ammo as well, just not into the US. interesting link Norinco  http://www.norinco.com/GB/61/index.html

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 18:27 | 5249527 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Speaking of hypocrisy. Might as well point out something concerning the Protestants. Since everyone worships idoltry and in this case it involves turn a man who was against all that into the very thing he was against in the first place.

Has anyone ever bothered to read Peloubet's Bible Dictionary specifically pgs 604 and 605.

"was manifestly the chief storehouse from which both Christ and the Apostles drew their proofs and precepts"

It is not Jermone's translation of masoretic Hebrew (mis)translations of the Old and New Testment that became the Latin bible that Jesus used but the Septuagint. So worshippers don't use the same books that their idol worship would have used including Catholics. The few 'Christian religious offshoots that still does are the Orthodox Church aka Russia and Greece for example.

Not only that neither do the Jews and not just zionists (this goes back even further than the Khazars and Turkic bloodline jews) who use Talmud reject a Holy Book that was considered Holy pre-christ and also includes 7 other books that were considered cannonical until the undermining of Christianity and Judaism occurred. This coincides with the Masorites (Babylonian Samaritan Jews) in the second century A.D. Rabbi Akiba ben Joseph was one of the main characters who pushed the change from the Septuagint to what is the Talmud not so much because he was pagan jew but more so due to his general hostility to Christianity in general since by that time it had overtooken Judaism as preferred religion of judaic people.

So back to the Septuagint and why Catholics and Protestants won't use it. There are a lot of bastardized English translations but some untouched original koine greek books still exist to this day.

Not once in the Septuagint is the word cross mentioned when it comes to Jesus. Because he was never crucifixed on a cross....

The only 2 words related to cruxification in original untouched copies are the following xylon in greek translates to tree and stauros translates to wood.

If you read the passages of the witnesses to the death of christ they translate as the following.

St. John

And he bearing his WOOD (stauros) went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha.

(John 19:17).

St. Peter

And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree (xylon). (Acts 10:39)

There is no correlation between the word crux (latin) and stauros (greek) since stauros shows up in Old Testament writings pre-christ in the original untouched greek Septuagint copies. The sign of the cross would not have been a religious symbol pre-christ.

Type and shape wood is not described in the books but if you go by the known Roman histories they would have nailed people to a regular board of wood then nailed the board to a tree when someone was sentenced to death in the time of christ.

It has always been a bastard symbol since crosses at that time would have been associated with pagan worship and wouldn't have been incorporated into the Church until Constantine through his Mother Helena who was also a Druid Princess (she was the only daughter of King Coel) who married his father a Roman Soldier Constantinus.

That also made Constantine the male heir to the throne of Britain when his King Coel died so he was not only Caesar but lawfull king of Britain. That is where the myth you people worship called Jesus comes in.

There was a christ but his name wasn't Jesus, it was Joshua (that is encoded in the New Testment in the Septuagint also).

Jesus was a consolidation of power creation since Christians wouldn't worship him as a god so he made himself co-equal with the idoltry when created the Church consolidating Zeus/Jupiter (effeminized likeness), Esus a Druid god and Joshua making himself co-equal with newly created Jesus to unify the empire under one rule.

There is a lot of history that is purposely obscured and hidden....

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 21:31 | 5250110 Ventnor
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Dear Dewey Cheatum and How,

Sorry, but this doesn't hold water.  There are zillions of these kinds of interpretations that purport to be scientific and therefore incontrovertible.  Their purpose is to debunk Christianity, which, after two millenia, has never lost its power to annoy the educated and semi-educated. 

We Christians cannot prove the historical truth of our faith.  But we know it's true, because when you actually live it -- i.e., partake regularly and frequently of Holy Communion and confession -- you see the change in yourself.  You achieve a peace you've never known, and you become more human than you ever thought possible.

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI says he considers it a proof of the truth of Christianity -- however circumstantial -- that the Apostles moved the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. They did so at a time when they believed their first objective was to bring Jews to Christ. He says it would never have dawned on them to move the sabbath, and would themselves have found the idea abhorrent, if they had not encountered the resurrected Christ.  This strikes me as very true.

Another (circumstantial) proof: Christ told the Apostles just before he ascended into heaven to go forth and convert all peoples.  Now, two millenia later, the God of Abraham, issac and Jacob is worshipped in every country on the face of the earth (even North Korea.)

I'm sure you'll find none of this persuasive.  So be it.  We Christians are inured to efforts to debunk our faith.

 

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 18:46 | 5249581 olle
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Sweden has a crazy naive idea that : We can sell weapons to countries that will not use them...how stupid is that on a scale....but if they are in a conflict and have to use these weapons we will supply amunition and spareparts but not new weapons.... are politicans really that stupid or am I missing something impoortant

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 19:48 | 5249745 Quantum Nucleonics
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When you pick up your German sniper rifle, don't forget to put a couple of these in your basket before you checkout...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_214_submarine

(it's expensive equipment like this, and Eurofighters, etc, that get Germany high on the export list, not small arms as the article seems to suggest.)

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 23:16 | 5250425 casfoto
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Totally true..best weapons made. Engineered to perfection. Best cars, best weapons from brilliant minds.

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 20:07 | 5249829 Cetyc
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Gotta make some fast money, right!?

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 20:08 | 5249830 Cetyc
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Gotta make some fast money, right!?

Tue, 09/23/2014 - 23:12 | 5250412 casfoto
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Wow, this guy is really not liking the fact that German weapons are interferring with sales from Israel or the States. He is either a contractor at Lockheed or with the Israeli groups.....During the Iraq/Iran war the US was shipping tons of weapons to Iraq (including poison gas) and meanwhile Israel was supplying our weapons to Iran.

The Germans do not want another war on  their turf..do you blame them? Check out the latest book on the WW1 WW2 etc setup..."The Sleepwalkers" ...this guy does the historyand does it in detail.

The Germans and actually Europe have had enough wars on their turf to last an eternity. The Germans have always been feared as they are strong warriors and make the best war product around. During WW2 they lost most of their soldiers in the battle with Russia, as did France in the Napoleanic wars.

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