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Syria Is 7th (Muslim) Country Bombed By 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
Authored by Glenn Greenwald, originally posted at The Intercept,
The U.S. today began bombing targets inside Syria, in concert with its lovely and inspiring group of five allied regimes: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Jordan.
That means that Syria becomes the 7th predominantly Muslim country bombed by the 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate – after Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Iraq.
The utter lack of interest in what possible legal authority Obama has to bomb Syria is telling indeed: empires bomb who they want, when they want, for whatever reason (indeed, recall that Obama bombed Libya even after Congress explicitly voted against authorization to use force, and very few people seemed to mind that abject act of lawlessness; constitutional constraints are not for warriors and emperors).
It was just over a year ago that Obama officials were insisting that bombing and attacking Assad was a moral and strategic imperative. Instead, Obama is now bombing Assad’s enemies while politely informing his regime of its targets in advance. It seems irrelevant on whom the U.S. wages war; what matters it that it be at war, always and forever.
Six weeks of bombing hasn’t budged ISIS in Iraq, but it has caused ISIS recruitment to soar. That’s all predictable: the U.S. has known for years that what fuels and strengthens anti-American sentiment (and thus anti-American extremism) is exactly what they keep doing: aggression in that region. If you know that, then they know that. At this point, it’s more rational to say they do all of this not despite triggering those outcomes, but because of it. Continuously creating and strengthening enemies is a feature, not a bug, as it is what then justifies the ongoing greasing of the profitable and power-vesting machine of Endless War.
If there is anyone who actually believes that the point of all of this is a moral crusade to vanquish the evil-doers of ISIS (as the U.S. fights alongside its close Saudi friends), please read Professor As’ad AbuKhalil’s explanation today of how Syria is a multi-tiered proxy war. As the disastrous Libya “intervention” should conclusively and permanently demonstrate, the U.S. does not bomb countries for humanitarian objectives. Humanitarianism is the pretense, not the purpose.
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speak for yourself....if you have traveled you would know all the good we can do. The current group in Washington is probably the worst group ever to govern this country. The bankers now have a level of control unseen....EVER! The revolving door is now so obvious it is appalling.
Vote with your feet then. There is no Berlin Wall holding you in. No mine laden DMZ. No treacherous Forbidden Zone.
No, but FATCA is starting to feel a little bit like the Berlin Wall....
Then it's high time to force it to look at its own/true picture.
Few leaders in few nations can "man up" to that move.
Nice secenary though.
There's gotta be some kind of prize for all that bombing.
He gets to keep the Senate for two more years. That's the prize. You'll notice a focus in media treatment of ISIS how misogynist they are. There's a demographic being appealed to here. Single women like the composite "Julia" character and our university dimmed journalists corps who can't stand a group like ISIS giving peace loving Islam a bad name.
Well, we all know exactly what kind of prize is justified and required by any sense of real justice, don't we? but we can't say it on a public forum.
The Nobel PIECES award?
What were the Nobel Prize committee smoking in 2009 ? Some sort of dope that make appear a war criminal as democracy defender ?
As I recall, he won the Nobel peace prize the same week he was given another award for having had the most transparent administration in history. A few days later the committee that granted him the award admitted it was a bit premature but was based on his 'promise' to have the most transparent administration. Eventually, he accepted the award behind closed doors due to the ridicule.
Who knew all those hard drives would crash so easily or the word "FOIA" would become traumatizing, resulting in stonewaller syndrome in our federal employees and both speech and typing impairments amongst the press corps. Just bad luck. It happens.
That means that Syria becomes the 7th predominantly Muslim country bombed by the 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate
Sounds incredible but you're actually referting to the world's most prestigious participation trophy + the world's biggest empty suit.
Won't be "predominantly" much longer. You don't hear much about the ethnic cleansing angle on this. The storyline preference is on the rapey rape sex slavery type stuff and bad things that happened to angelic journalists who gravitated strangely toward getting the head chapter's side of things.
Not to worry; they're murdering plenty of Christians in Syria; which is a completely secular country; not a "Moslem" country.
Raysist........
"The utter lack of interest in what possible legal authority Obama has to bomb Syria is telling indeed: empires bomb who they want, when they want, for whatever reason".
And then, everyone wonders why on sweet, dear earth country after country is buying masses of weapons, in order to be armed to the teeth. Think "mandatory protection against the USA going rogue" and you'll see the logic.
Absolutely. There is no limit, no restrictions whatsoever on which country the USA will bomb. If our "leaders" feel it's convenient to use the cover of the UN, they use the UN (though they were NEVER given permission to overthrow Gaddafi nor bomb Libya, only to establish a no-fly zone, so they don't even follow the very resolution they get passed), or they use NATO, or they use "terrorism", it doesn't freaking matter anymore. Congress is utterly emasculated and willingly fund all these moves. Our government has little to do with the people anymore.
and yet every day the rabbi on here say obarme he muslim
bollox
obongo is clearly like the qatari royals and the house of saud in the closet talmudic saturn lovin yidisha init.
full kosher certification
No Bout Adoubt it, TW.
Yet another example why obama sucks - plenty more islamic cult worshipers in need of bombing and he has done only 8 in all these years - impeach the incompetent parasite !
Sadly most of the political establishment in DC is fully behind him. There will be no impeachment. Instead, there is cheering from both sides.
Just like in August 1914 when the SPD voted for the War Credits
Just pathetic, no lessons learned ever. How in the world is this supposed to turn out welll after the experience of the last 13 years, much less reviewing WWI disasters. I suppose the idea is that it ISN'T supposed to turn out well.
It doesn't make any sense. No wars are ever won with bombings; all you do is kill civilians, destroy buildings and pollute the environment for years with scrap metal.
What wins wars is the infantry.
So, who's first against ISIS?
Hmm. The war with Japan was ended with bombing. North Vietnam sued for a peace accord PDQ after Nixon got in charge of the military and did the sane and logical and humanitarian thing, I.e. fighting to win. SADDAM sued for peace when Martin Marietta and TI delivered the first batch of bunker busters developed skunk works style to take out the type of bunkers he and his favorites were hiding in. Makes me think you are against winning wars per se, not so much use of bombing as tactic, because it clearly works.
You're wrong and he's right. the War with Japan was over when they were A-Bombed; this is completely obvious. The Pacific War was a Naval operation that was won by surface ships, submarines, and carrier air. (Air to ship attacks). the research on the European theater shows specifically that it was not, repeat, not won by bombing. bombing is a terror tactic.
TBT or not TBT ,
1) The bombings of Japan won nothing at all, as Japan had already surrendered. One wonders exactly why they bombed Japan. The war was certainly not the reason.
2) In North Vietnam, bombs DID NOT, I repeat DID NOT end the war.
http://future.state.gov/when/timeline/1969_detente/ending_the_vietnam_wa...
As for Iraq, seeing the clusterfuck it is nowadays, what war has America won exactly when it has to go back and back because it's never over?
Obama only bombs Sunni Muslims. Obama's closest senior advisor, Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett has been silent as to why.
Actually his regime has empowered Sunni based militants all over the region. Assad belongs to an off-shoot of Shia. What he does do is create general chaos and murder secular Arab leaders.
Cold War 2.0 : The US to renew nuclear arsenal
Military armaments towards a frenzied course in the new Cold War era
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/09/cold-war-20-us-to-renew-nucle...
OBAMA IS CHIEF OF EVIL NOW. Agreed!!! But even if he is taken off, the problem is not solved! The issue is the Oval office. Put another person there and he will have his own evil mission. Its a long time that the Whitehouse has been exchange for blood. It will need more than votes to paint this nation clean
Can you prove this ? Can you prove that Romney wouldn't be better able to stand up to the murderous fools in the CIA and the MIC than the Welfare Chimp? No, you can't prove that; and you didn't try.
Given that Obama has executed Shrub's foreign policy and much of his domestic policy, the burden is on you to show that Romney, who certainly spoke as if he was going to continue the Neocon foreign policy, would have also lied about his attentions, and done something rational.
When this is all over (and one day it will be) Obama and Holder will be tap dancing at a benefit for all the dead Syrian and Iraqi children the US has murdered.
There will be an 800 number on your screen for your contributions.
PEACE BRO
well it is the religion of Peace...so I heard.
It is 8 when you include the Boston bombing.
NY Times just reported this.
"Senior Obama administration officials: Airstrikes against the Islamic State in Syria are legal because they were done in defense of Iraq"So I guess we can attack any country bordering Iraq now....we have become a lawless murdering nation. It is truly sad to watch the demise over my lifetime.
I wish Assad would just declare War on the USA, officially, with the cause being bombing of his country; and request serious military aid from Russia. And as soon as possible. Make the Monkee eat his own shit.
Why do you want more and larger wars?
Converting any of these conflicts to full-on organized military would not do any good for anyone except armaments manufacturers. Certainly not for ordinary citizens in any of the nations involved.
Read Mark Twain's "War Prayer". You just wished for the agonizing deaths of a lot of women and children, people who you would like if you got to know them.
Why do you want more and larger wars?
Converting any of these conflicts to full-on organized military would not do any good for anyone except armaments manufacturers. Certainly not for ordinary citizens in any of the nations involved.
Read Mark Twain's "War Prayer". You just wished for the agonizing deaths of a lot of women and children, people who you would like if you got to know them.
No need for "Assad to declare war on the US", given that "the US has already declared War on Syria". The US actions are and "Act of War", and thus a DEFACTO STATE OF WAR exists between the two countries.
But I do agree that he should defend his country with all that he has, and see if Russia "mans up". My sense is, Russia does not want a direct confrontation with the US in Syria, and that the Chinese would not let them either (by not backing them up). Russia and China are either playing for time (game of global Brinskmanship), or they don't think they win head-on at this time. A shame that Assad has no WMDs left. He shoulda kept some for a Rainy Day.
Seems to me that the US side knows this, and are playing it accordingly by exploiting the Middle ground. The US is mixing up the game with Audibles from the Line of Scrimmage, and moving the ball and yardsticks rather effectively: some short passes, screens, reverse, toss to running backs... No need to "Go for the Bomb". Snap on 3: Blue 38, blue 38! Hut, huuut, hut!
And from NBC
President Obama in letter to Congress about fight against Islamic State: 'It is not possible to know the duration of these deployments and operations' -AND followed by:
Director of Operations Lt. Gen. William Mayville on timetable of operation in Syria against Islamic State: 'I would think of it in terms of years' -Bush set the table for Obama and it's Obama's turn to set the table for the next madwoman.
We were explicitly told immediately after 9/11 that the war on terror would last decades. They weren't kidding.
Darth Sidious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6FgidY1xdc
Brilliant...now he has the Middle East bombing each other...
When did they stop? They started bombing each other the minute western technology made bombing accessible to them. They used steel for the most part up until then, and they still have a nostalgia for it. See "Islam, beheading, amputation"
You seem to be trying to make a distinction betwen the Muslim people's use of technology and everyone else.
Can you support that? I don't think so.
They are people, people. Just like us, they spend 99% of their time dealing with family, work, food, sex, drugs, and entertainment. Just like us, when punished they escape when possible, and retaliate when escape is not possible.
And just like us, they make rational calculations. Israel just low the recent war on Gaza because Hamas wouldn't cave, a 50 day war has hurt Israel's economy quite a lot.
When left in peace, they are often well-functioning multicultural societies, do I not recall that the Jews refused to leave Iran for Israel? And that persecution of the Christian and other minority communities is done by the extremists, not the governments?
Read about the Stanford Prison experiment. No culture lacks for torturers and extremists. We proved that just recently, I believe.
You seem to be trying to make a distinction betwen the Muslim people's use of technology and everyone else.
Can you support that? I don't think so.
They are people, people. Just like us, they spend 99% of their time dealing with family, work, food, sex, drugs, and entertainment. Just like us, when punished they escape when possible, and retaliate when escape is not possible.
And just like us, they make rational calculations. Israel just low the recent war on Gaza because Hamas wouldn't cave, a 50 day war has hurt Israel's economy quite a lot.
When left in peace, they are often well-functioning multicultural societies, do I not recall that the Jews refused to leave Iran for Israel? And that persecution of the Christian and other minority communities is done by the extremists, not the governments?
Read about the Stanford Prison experiment. No culture lacks for torturers and extremists. We proved that just recently, I believe.
When the President of the United States of America represents to the world what a lying sumbag murdering sack of shit looks like he should be impeached.
The typical drone in the Democrat base probably has an IQ of 85.
The typical Democrat politician probably has an IQ of 87.
The typical Democrat politician imagines that they have an IQ of 130.
It takes an IQ of 150 to just understand all the groups, issues, agendas, and conspiracies in the Middle East.
It probable takes an IQ well above 200 to figure out what to do.
We're screwed.
I got such a warm feeling watching the SEIU heroes joining in the "People's Climate Change March" this week, along with the inspiring Occupy brigades and Hollywood stars, who themselves are an example of minimal carbon footprints.
I guess 80% of US-population behave like drones.
What's that say about the Republicans who've repeatedly failed to thwart their plans?
Think of Democrats as foragers.
Think of Republicans as farmers.
If the majority of humanity (i.e "Democrats/Socialists/tribalists") live their lives as foragers, how does a farmer explain to them: "don't eat my crops"?
Got any bright ideas?
According to the scale, I'm smart enough to understand the Middle East but not smart enough to solve it. My best effort was a large-scale but clandestine effort to relocate their populations to remote islands. Even if our top agents could pull that off, it's a forgone conclusion that some partisan fool would expose it for political points.
I just took issue with the assertion that only Democrats are stupid. Remember, Republicans proposed Romney the Destroyer as a solution to a destroyed economy. And were _surprised_ when anybody saw through him.
The current Republican Party leadership posture seems to be: "We're just like the Democrats, only not quite as much".
Even though pure mathematics might suggest that this makes them dumber than Democrats, I give them a couple of positive IQ points for it.
Imagination is *far* more important than intelligence.
-Einstein
Yup. And... "Problems cannot be solved at the same level they were created" -Einstein
The typical big unit is not much more than 5 inches --5 thin inches -- long.
Not even close.
Considering international diplomacy with war as a game, a game complexity analysis shows it to be impossibly difficult for human minds.
Nobody plays 3D or 3-way chess because you can't play enough games in a lifetime to even know whether you are getting better or not. Chess has 16 pieces per side, a few types of moves per piece, 64 squares on the board, alternating moves.
International diplomacy with war has perhaps a dozen sides, each with many pieces : army units, economic units, political units, ... Each piece has very many possible moves. The board is the size of the whole world. All pieces can make moves simultaneously.
International diplomacy with war, considered as a game, makes 3D chess look as simple as tic-tac-toe. There is no way individuals can play that game, and adding more brains of IQ 200 won't help.
To play that game is to lose. The only rational strategy is to be a neutral nation.
Not even close.
Considering international diplomacy with war as a game, a game complexity analysis shows it to be impossibly difficult for human minds.
Nobody plays 3D or 3-way chess because you can't play enough games in a lifetime to even know whether you are getting better or not. Chess has 16 pieces per side, a few types of moves per piece, 64 squares on the board, alternating moves.
International diplomacy with war has perhaps a dozen sides, each with many pieces : army units, economic units, political units, ... Each piece has very many possible moves. The board is the size of the whole world. All pieces can make moves simultaneously.
International diplomacy with war, considered as a game, makes 3D chess look as simple as tic-tac-toe. There is no way individuals can play that game, and adding more brains of IQ 200 won't help.
To play that game is to lose. The only rational strategy is to be a neutral nation.
Bombing seems like stress relief.
Not if you are one of the parents whose children were killed in the bombing.
With the midterm elections looming in a few short weeks, optics drives everything. Chalky knows he needs the Senate to stay in Dem hands so that he can appoint a libtard Supreme Justice or two. What better way to swing a few votes than play on the tried and true "rally around the flag" theme. Politics always and forever; nothing is more important than the agenda.
www.traderzoo.mobi
Prove that his assumption is wrong; get off your ass and elect some Rep. Senators. look at the voting list for the latest outrage, the funding bill for the military campaign against Syria, oh, pardon me; ISIS. "It doesn't matter is a cop-out; it does matter" get out the vote; give the ghost a Rep. Senate to stop his madness.
Yes indeed, Republicans have resisted the wars so well. Real intelligent, benevolent, peace-loving people, the Republicans.
I truly wish an opposition party Senate would put a stop to his madness and especially prevent this destructor from appointing any more judges. However, NOBODY wants to be "soft on ISIS" now so my guess is that even an opposition party Senate will, as usual, prove how limp-wristed they are. They won't even bother to repeal Deathcare. Hell, they are even trolling out the Jeb Bush balloon.....
They'll hit a few ISIS targets for optics purposes, but the rest will be secular Assad forces. The've got a hard on to take down Syria. They are just doing it a different way.
In fact, they've already bombed Al-Nusra (Al Qaeda offshoot allegedly) groups who, according to our "regime", were plotting an imminent attack on the fadderland. So basically we are bombing whoever the hell we feel like, probably now including the "moderate rebels" who we will then send money, weapons and training to. No doubt they will be sneaking in some tomahawks on Assad's assets as well, but those moves will NOT be reported.
"Foren!"
That's "FORE!" in Swedish.
A nation of laws my ass.
It's time for common criminals (every citizen not in the establishment) to kick the ass of the establishment criminals.
Listening to the MFMedia complex deliver their slavish devotion to this president is totally inappropriate and disgusting.
What really amazes me is a handful of posters at ZH keep on insisting that Obozo is a muslim.
Whether or not he is muslim is up for debate, but that he is a zionist, whether or not he wants to be one, is not. They sat his ass down in the oval office on day one and told him he will follow orders from the CIA and Mossad. If he asks questions or fails to follow through, they would JFK him.
Don't try to make him a martyr or a victim. He's another pig, that's all. Completely manufactrured, coming out of nowhere, no record, installed as president. Plays golf while the controllers do their thing. Other presidents at least tried to appear in charge. Who the fuck actually makes the decisions in this regime?
Should call it the NOBEL PISS PRIZE! He's certainly PISSING EVERYWHERE.
Nobel Prize is now officially part of the SS establishment.
OBOZO IS A MUPPET! Get it people. His masters are the banksters and he takes marching orders from those righteous Zionists/Globalists.
http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine/2014/09/05/10_54_13/american_killed...
He tilts his head back as he puts his feet up on the oval office desk, juts out his chin and brags: "Turns out I'm really good at killin' people."
There you have it. There's your President, the empty suit. The coward. The man without a past. Nobel Peace Prize winner for deeds never done. The slacker. The golfer. Mr. Stompy feet. The man whose actions never follow his words. The embarrassment, the pathetic loser.
He has a past, but the MSM couldn't run him for office on that. Same with Hillary.
"Bombed lybia after congress explicitly voted against"..
Those idiots shlould knowthat voting doesnt matter.
Now ..wher my obama fone at?
In your own personal lives, how many people think you are a knob? That bloke that thinks he knows it all yet knows nothing? Thats a knob.
How many people think you are a wanker? A bloke that does all the above but makes it well aware you know it too? Now thats a wanker.
How many people think you are a cunt? Now that takes some doing not even those above could comprehend. You know what makes you a cunt? Like the smiling, malnitritiononilised vacant wanker above? The fucking idiot puppet that accepts a pieces prize for blowing the world up, and not even fucking knowing. Its a fucking sin we allow this, Dog wouldnt approve.
This fucking clown could damn well be the end of us all, he doesnt know it, most wont accept it, and the vast majority couldnt care.
Thats a cunt. Faceless, senseless, moronic, imbecilic cunt.
We really are fucked.
:-(
So the nobel Peace Prize winner is dealing with the religion of peace?
That's a load of peace breaking out there.
Were those objects fired from ships ice cream cones then?
Too much to deal with.
I think I'll go watch an old John Wayne movie.
http://spartacus-educational.com/SPgermany.htm
http://rt.com/usa/189984-pentagon-f22-combat-first-syria/
Welcome back, Adolph. Even if you are in blackface.
NOTE1: All of USA's "Partners in the Bombings" are tied in with vested interests in the "Peninsula Pipeline to Europe" Scheme. It's natural that they wish to Replace/"Curry Favor with" SYR since they wanted their Oil - rather than Assad's Friend IRN's - to go through there.
HOWEVER, since ISIL is hostile towards the Pro-IRN Shia, ISIL's previous existence as a Saboteur Force may have been set up to stymie the IRN/IRQ/SYR Pipeline. This reads as if ISIL became "Politically Self Aware/Sentient"; and have decided to take a bigger piece of the Pie for themselves. Hence Team_PetroDollar's response to have ISIL's Leadership Killed Off; and remnants tamed.
NOTE2: This serves as a contination of PNAC's 7-Nation Sabotage/Chaos Plan as well.
SSDD...
+
makes sense
and yet there are still people who believe Obummy is a muslim
Why would his Muslim religion restrain him from killing Muslims?
Yassar Arafat won that same prize for killing Muslims.
Trotskyists have long infiltrated the American right.
Obama has killed more Muslims than the other Peace Prize winner, Yassar Arafat.
Bi-Partisan support from both War Parties is his big win. Hope is not a strategy.