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Canada Warns Its Citizens Not To Take Cash To The USA

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics,

The Canadian government has had to warn its citizens not to carry cash to the USA because the USA does not presume innocence but guilt when it comes to money. Over $2.5 billion has been confiscated from Canadians traveling to the USA, funding the police who grab it.

If you are bringing cash to the land of the free, you will find that that saying really means they are FREE to seize all your money under the pretense you are engaged in drugs with no evidence or other charges.

It costs more money in legal fees to try to get it back so it is a boom business for unethical lawyers to such an extent than only one in sixth people ever try to get their money back and the cops just pocket it. That’s right. Money confiscated is usually allowed to be kept by the department who confiscated it.

This is strangely working its way into funding police and pensions.

This is identical to the very issue that resulted in the final collapse of Rome when the armies began to sack cities to pay for their pensions. We are at that level now with respect to seizing whatever they want knowing you will have to spend more in legal fees to assert your rights that do not really exist.

Those trying to flee tyranny elsewhere can not bring money with them for the police get to take it on this end.

This pretend war on terrorism is really a wholesale war against the people. It serves as the justification to seize whatever they desire ever since 9/11 as reported by the Washington Post.

 

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Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:34 | 5253652 TheAnalOG
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Cash is trash!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:43 | 5253695 remain calm
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They should trick the government and bring gold.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:52 | 5253726 clooney_art
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The "Land of the Free" is a nice concept but it is mostly symbolic in USA these days.

There are free-er countries in the world.

The good old USA has become a police state.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:00 | 5253746 Xibalba
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comment deleted due to door knock

 

 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:25 | 5253832 ACP
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Ha, a travel warning to the US, which is supposedly the jewel of civil rights. Classic.

So...just cross the southern border with cash...or drugs...or underage girls. No one would bat an eyelash.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:43 | 5253895 Richard Chesler
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Armstrong is an ass yet,

A new conservative school board majority here in the Denver suburbs recently proposed a curriculum-review committee to promote patriotism, respect for authority and free enterprise and to guard against educational materials that “encourage or condone civil disorder.” In response, hundreds of students, teachers and parents gave the board their own lesson in civil disobedience.

On Tuesday, hundreds of students from high schools across the Jefferson County school district, the second largest in Colorado, streamed out of school and along busy thoroughfares, waving signs and championing the value of learning about the fractious and tumultuous chapters of American history.

“It’s gotten bad,” said Griffin Guttormsson, a junior at Arvada High School who wants to become a teacher and spent the school day soliciting honks from passing cars. “The school board is insane. You can’t erase our history. It’s not patriotic. It’s stupid.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/us/in-colorado-a-student-counterprotes...


Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:09 | 5254003 UP Forester
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Pretty good timing on this story, like most, only took a couple weeks to post it here.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:39 | 5254113 0b1knob
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Its not safe for Americans to visit Canada either.  Besides the obvious danger of hypothermia, Eskimo attacks and being eaten by a rabid bear there are other dangers.

The Canadian border patrol will confiscate your car if you have a US porn tape in it.   Seriously.   Porn legal in the US is illegal in Canada.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:51 | 5254137 Dakota Kid
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Canadian border people have been dicks for at least 40 years.

A friend of mine had a pack of gum on the dash of his car and they asked him what was in the gum package. My friend said gum. After removing the gum and not finding anything illegal, they were annoyed and searched the car for about 10 minutes and finally said you can go.                  

Royal Canadian Mounted Dickheads.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:07 | 5254164 quasimodo
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Correctomundo. Have crossed many times in WA state.....there are three crossings in particular near Lynden. Royal assholes every time. I would say about 8 times out of 10 when returning to the states I get the straightforward but civil treatment. 

 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:44 | 5254251 old naughty
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Ha, that would teach them canucks should have bought bitcoins, no?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 23:11 | 5254423 Richard Chesler
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Dupe.

 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:02 | 5254532 The Doofus
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Canadians are the biggest ass-clowns on the planet.  They should all be thrown in jail.  Then we can make them listen to Alex Jones all day.  If they refuse, the CIA can torture them.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:52 | 5254598 Skateboarder
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The word "Canada" does not appear in the Washington Post article.

What the fuck kind of reporting is this?

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 03:39 | 5254699 Trucker Glock
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+2.5 billion

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 04:21 | 5254714 gold-is-not-dead
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This is where bitcoin makes custom officer poor.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 09:04 | 5255026 SWRichmond
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South Carolina Police Officer shoots unarmed man who was responding to his "orders":

http://www.wistv.com/story/26621563/dash-cam-video-released-in-trooper-i...

It is time to disarm all police.  I want privately held guns to be the only guns on the street, the police have proven time and again they cannot be trusted with them.

I am contacting my state and local representatives (as if they give a fuck) to demand they introduce and pass legislation to disarm the corporate police entities.  We will call it the "Mayberry RFD Bill".

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 11:16 | 5255651 Trucker Glock
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Scary and sickening shit.  I'm sure the cop will be exonerated and the taxpayers will foot the bill for a hefty settlement. 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 09:41 | 5255128 SamAdams
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I've also been pulled aside for "further screening" while flying into Canada.  It was more of an interrogation than body check.  Yes, make them listen to Alex Jones.  That's worse than Chinese water torture!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 23:00 | 5254426 Richard Chesler
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Biggest asshole I ever met in my life was a tempered USSA customs official stationed in Montreal.

That SOB and his whole family deserve to be put to sleep. Motherfucker.

 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:05 | 5254535 Barry McBear
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Me too, only time in my life I crossed there (where the 55 meets the 91), the fuckin guy tore apart everything in my trunk, didn't bother putting it back together, just left it all a complete mess.  Then when he didn't find anything, instead of acting normal and wishing me a nice trip or something, he just scowled and acted like he knew I was smuggling shit that he couldn't find.  It pissed me off so much I actually cut my trip short.  Why put money into a country like that?  Clearly I wasn't welcome.  So I went home and bought a large screen TV with the money I saved.

 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 06:19 | 5254782 Yes We Can. But...
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The Canadians are huge assholes at International Falls crossing in Minnesota.  Consistently, for no reason. And Canada has gone Nazi about taking a few filets of fish across a border.  Just plain bizarre.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 11:52 | 5255856 frankly scarlet
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Seems if you're an American crossing to Canada you get the royal treatment while the reverse is true, as I have so often found out. I am too often treated like a smuggler of people , drugs , or contraband. Too often pulled from my vehicle while one guard holds us and another searches, often lasting an hour from time of entry to time of release. Must be my reading here that alerts the American authorities that I am privy to information considered restricted to a need to know basis only.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:12 | 5254173 Oldrepublic
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It was lucky that you friend did not take gum to Singapore. Now that place is a real police state!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:34 | 5254228 Ralph Spoilsport
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I was crossing the Canadian border frequently in the mid-80s by flying into Syracuse and driving a rental car across. The reason was to troubleshoot a Nylon process that a Canadian subsidiary couldn't get working right. This involved me being in the process areas taking data with lab grade equipment I shipped up there (all while wearing a tucked-in necktie, safety glasses and ear protection).

Crossing the border was tricky. After saying I was entering their country on business, I was supposed to lie and say I was attending meetings only, not doing any actual work. I had to get up there quick and there was no time to get the work permits. Eventually, somebody working at the plant ratted me out and I was detained at the border for 20 hours with no food until they got the word from somewhere to let me go.

They had impounded the rental car so I paid a tour bus operator $50 to take me with his tour group back to Syracuse where I got a cab to the airport. I don't think the customs pricks ever figured out how I got back home. National Car Rental handled getting their car out of hock. They said this had happened before when the Canadian government wanted to send a message to a corporation (Give us money or we'll take it out on your employees!!).

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:39 | 5254238 Lore
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So what you were doing was illegal, and you knew it.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:53 | 5254261 Ralph Spoilsport
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Yes. The corporate management on both sides of the border knew what was going on and the Canadians wanted me to go up there and solve their problem. We did it this way for several years until this incident.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 09:02 | 5255027 COSMOS
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WHat the heck is a 'Nylon Process'?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:01 | 5254300 TheMeatTrapper
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"So what you were doing was illegal, and you knew it."

Spoken like a true FedGov dick sucker. 

I've got an idea, why don't you lecture the government tyrants who confiscate the wealth that others have produced and deliberately throw roadblocks in the way of citizens rather than lecturing a man who was earning an honest, productive living. 

 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:07 | 5254314 JLee2027
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"protect and serve" has become "detain and steal".

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:12 | 5254319 Socratic Dog
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This Lore seems to be a total dickbrain.  So you admit you were doing something illegal.  Yeah, being productive.  Producing wealth for the state to leech on. Must be stopped at all costs.

Fuck off Lore.  You need a punch in the head.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:29 | 5254334 Lore
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I understand your perspective, lame as it is: "I'm coming into your country to do what I want, fuck your rules, and fuck you if you try to hold me accountable." It's the essence of American foreign policy. 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 23:35 | 5254496 Dakota Kid
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And F you too Lore.

 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:35 | 5254582 collon88
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I believe it was Emerson who wrote, "A good man does not obey the law too well". 

 

Or to update that a bit, "Some rules need to be fucked".

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 05:32 | 5254759 PT
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It was a computer game that really drove the message home to me.  You could choose characteristics of your character, good and evil being amongst the choices, and sub-choices further dividing into Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil and Chaotic Evil and, of course:

Lawful Good
Neutral Good
or
Chaotic Good

Had a good little think about those choices.
(No, I can't remember the name of the computer game and I never worked out how the choices affected game play.)

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 06:40 | 5254800 Cloud9.5
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In 1940 it was legal for German police to shoot Jews in the back of the head for the crime of being Jews.  Just saying.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 09:06 | 5255036 COSMOS
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Totally agree, if we would just limit it to dual citizens this country would be better off.  Loyalty should be to only one flag.  The problem with the Islamists and the Jewish religions is that they will have a higher loyalty to a pancaliphate or a Jewish state rather than to the USA.  A Christian on the other hand would always choose the country he was born in.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 11:21 | 5255685 donsluck
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What are you talking about? The Catholic church was held above nations for hundreds of years before Joan of Arc invented nationalism. The One Flag theory falls apart when it's your family. I think it odd that you think you speak for all of Christiandom.

 

I fucking hate religion. Truly.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:34 | 5254374 Ralph Spoilsport
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Thanks but I don't listen to lectures unless the speaker and his subject matter are interesting. Lore is as interesting as the customs droids at the border so his phillippics and vociferations fall on deaf ears. I was glad to break the law in this case and I was well compensated. I also drove my car up there one time and took advantage of the FX and drove home with four new radial tires that I didn't declare. I was such a rebel then.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:45 | 5254397 Lore
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Next time you come, give a shout and I'll treat you to some Canadian beer.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 23:48 | 5254510 Dakota Kid
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I wouldn't take a beer from you if you paid me, especially if I had to sit at the same table with you.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 01:28 | 5254615 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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I'm Canadian too.  I wouldn't serve you beer but i'd serve you my piss still steaming hot!  How dare you!!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 23:32 | 5254492 Dakota Kid
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To: TheMeatTrapper

You are so right on with your comment.

Lore above you sounds like/is a total asshole. Most laws are only enforced on the peons. If you are extremely wealthy, you write the laws and exempt yourself from them. He isn't bright enough to understand that. There are so many laws that whore, I mean Lore, is probably breaking some laws right now and doesn't even know it.
Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:17 | 5258524 Lore
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I understand more than you know. The other guy just annoyed me with his ego dump, so I played devil's advocate for a while and got his goat. <g>

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 02:11 | 5290192 Ralph Spoilsport
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Fail. Still have my goat.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 08:49 | 5254953 X-defiler
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Lore and Leonardo - so why is the Canadian government worried about the US forfeiture LAWS if your Canadian? according to you, its the LAW and if you aren't doing anything wrong, a lawyer will get your money back, 12 to 24 months from the time of forfeture. Its the LAW, right? So bring all them maple leafs and some Canadian dollars. Your safe. Why let your governement scare you about our LAWS. Its the LAW! You know, I've worked with Canadians alot. The thing about Canucks is that their Pavlovian like conditioning to a good governement assfucking is confused with politeness. They are not polite. They are just good lap dogs. Its in their history from the beginning. They could of chosen independence but just didn't know what that was so they stayed the subject of the Queenie. What a bunch of tit sucking pussies. The cowrdess is bred into them from birth. Not a man in that country except for the foreigner.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 12:21 | 5255989 frankly scarlet
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I'm a Canadian and to a large extent I agree with your comment. It must be that many Anglos in Eastern Canada have retained the United Empire Loyalist bent of unquestioning servitude to Queen and Country.  The rest of your comment is just meant to inflame and will be reguarded as the usual hubris and self importance Americans manifest and which leads them to obey their corporate masters in serving as cannon fodder for Corporate interests. So we are all suckers to a greater or lesser extent to the storied propaganada lines we are fed by our respective rulers.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:35 | 5258548 Lore
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Well said.  There's a different flavour of Kool-Aid for the chumps of every nation. Don't look to me for monarchism. "House of Windsor," indeed!  The same bunch is leading us all to ruin. It's their pedigree.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 10:06 | 5255224 Abaco
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Perhaps illegal.  Perfectly lawful.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:46 | 5254590 Abbie Normal
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So if a Mexican crosses the border and does work in Texas, that's okay as long as he lies and says he's only attending a meeting?  If only the US could keep its own borders as secure as the one between NY and Ontario.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 01:01 | 5254603 TheMeatTrapper
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Unlike Mexicans, Ralph wasn't crossing the border to live off the dole. Intellectual honesty - give it a try for a change.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 08:42 | 5254961 slowimplosion
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If you had any kind of actual life experience you would know 95% of those Mexicans work harder than any American will and that is why they get employment here.  Trying to smear them with the handful that come here to skate makes YOU the intellectually dishonest one.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:34 | 5254229 Lore
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Re: "Royal Canadian Mounted Dickheads":  Border crossings are the bailiwick of Canada Border Services Agency, not RCMP.  What else did you fabricate?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:03 | 5254305 TheMeatTrapper
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Just because he doesn't worship at the altar of government acronyms like you doesn't mean he's a liar. 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:30 | 5254368 Lore
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Whatever. Be sure there is more to his story.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 23:49 | 5254506 Dakota Kid
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Put this in your pipe and smoke it Lore:

The five core IBET agencies – each having law enforcement responsibilities for areas at or near the shared border – are:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ibet-eipf/index-eng.htm

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:49 | 5254593 Cypher_73
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Only Lore is right, it's CBSA that actively work at border crossings and not the RCMP. Way to Google fail though, but expected from 'murican.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 07:44 | 5254856 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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'Lore' hasn't ever put ANYTHING in HIS pipe and smoked it.  That is part of the reason he is an asshole. The other part is, he's just an asshole.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:44 | 5258571 Lore
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  • Oh yeah? Well, you're a poopybum. So there!
Thu, 09/25/2014 - 01:26 | 5254620 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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That's right Lore.  These idiots think the RCMP are stationed at the border. WTF, it's like saying the FBI are border officers. BTW, the RCMP always get their man & their history is amazing too. Pride is something USSA doesn't have anymore.  I also agree that americans think like this: ""I'm coming into your country to do what I want, fuck your rules, and fuck you if you try to hold me accountable." It's the essence of American foreign policy. But the world is fed up of this type of mentality. 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 08:53 | 5254979 mtl4
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You just keep your gum and stay in the "land of the free", I think we'll all be better off.

 

Looks like they let anyone in down there anyway.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8132799/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/man-what...

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 05:22 | 5254756 RazvanM
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Only bad quality porn should be illegal. The good quality stuff should be encouraged and shared when exceptional quality. No Wookie please!

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 08:04 | 5254880 Mr.Peak_Crackers
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Yo Up Foster hope all is well  ! ,, agreed ,,other media had the jump on this one 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:29 | 5254074 NidStyles
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They will keep trying, as we have no idea how much of our history they have already erased on us.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:04 | 5254308 madmax1965
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Yeah,  my daughter is a senior in high school and she told me they were actually discussing the FED the other day.  Amazingly, the teacher told them the truth that the FED is not part of .gov it is a private bank!  My daughter was the only one who was not dumbfounded!

Maybe, there is hope!  END THE FED!

 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:57 | 5253945 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen ACP.

America! What a "CLASS" act.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:48 | 5254591 Induced Coma
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No, YOU listen...

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:53 | 5254277 lincolnsteffens
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Let's get a little bit of education. Civil rights are for persons who are subjects of the the Federal district, or a subjugated person which the 14th amendment to the Constitution was created for. Equal rights for persons granted by that government.

Unalienable Rights are God given as recognized in the Constitution of the US of America which all government authority must swear to uphold. The difference is people vs. persons. People are natural persons but Corporations are persons in law.

People are fraudulently being treated as corporations which government has a right to regulate. Government does not have the right to regulate people that have not knowingly committed a crime. The sovereign people created government under specific restrictions. Clever weasels with lawyers have figured out how to fraudulently steal the rights they have sworn to uphold through the commerce clause.

Government assumes that everyone agrees to be regulated through commerce as most have signed contracts they didn't understand that converted people to persons. For example such fraudulent contracts are the birth certificate, social security, marriage license, using fiat currency, voter registration, driver's license, firearms license, etc. . None of the foregoing are required for people, only for fictional entities known as persons.

How many of you have ever heard of those legal facts??? Well, you aren't supposed to know because your rulers don't want you to understand your slavery.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:54 | 5254389 Lore
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Please help me to understand this in practical terms as something more than doublethink. If I want to drive a car (for example), whether I'm called a 'person,' a 'subject,' a 'dude,' a 'serf' or WHATEVER, it seems natural to expect that I should jump through a reasonable hoop or two in order to demonstrate to others that I can operate the vehicle safely and observe local rules of the road. How and why does it matter what I happen to be called in the relevant documentation? 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 02:13 | 5254661 Dakota Kid
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For $15 you can get an international drivers permit good for one year if you have a USA drivers license and 2 passport type photos. NO TEST IS REQUIRED. I have driven in Italy, Monaco and France and never had a single problem.

http://www.aaa.com/vacation/idpf.html

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:48 | 5258511 Lore
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Doesn't answer my question, but it's a start. I suspect the answer lies with "Sovereign Citizen" canon, some of which seems sound, more of which doesn't. I'll do my own digging. Thanks.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:04 | 5254537 McCormick No. 9
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I knw where there are lots of soveriegn citizens.... behind bars!

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 00:10 | 5254545 Steaming_Pile
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Do I hear the teachings of an Errant Sovereign?  It's good to see that our numbers are growing!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:32 | 5253858 Big Corked Boots
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Dude, they don't knock. They flash-bang you, bust your door down, and club you while yelling "Stop Resisting!"

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 02:07 | 5254655 wisefool
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I know that happens. But for what it is worth Durden has a pic of more money than I will ever see in the rest of my life. And then there is the Canadians.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:04 | 5253760 Bay of Pigs
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This is a ridiculous and misleading article. Anyone who has crossed ther US/Canada border knows that anything more than $10,000 has to be declared. If not declared, then yes, they can take it away from you. Been a Federal law for decades. (And btw, Iv'e crossed the border over a hundred times and never had any problems with cash).

Armstrong is losing it.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:15 | 5253796 ForTheWorld
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Who or What gives them the perception of having the right to simply take cash from you because of an arbitrary limit set by someone or something?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:34 | 5253863 Bay of Pigs
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Fuck me, I didn't say I agreed with it. I think way too low and pretty stupid.

Whats with all the down voters? I'm just telling you what the law is when you cross that border.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:55 | 5253940 ForTheWorld
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I didn't try to say you agreed with it, I was asking on what authority they could do that, because Australia has the same ridiculous stipulation, presumably under the same guise of "protekting trrrrsts" or some such vague chant, and I don't recall anyone who is "represented" by government officials being asked if that was a proper thing to enact.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:09 | 5254167 Reggie Dunlop
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How dare you present an argument.  

 

Think people, don't follow any media blindly.  Even Zero Hedge.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:16 | 5254332 Socratic Dog
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Armstrong isn't talking about border limits.  He's talking about what can and does happen once you're actually in the country. These blackshirt cunts are committing highway robbery with impunity.  Penalty for that used to be death.  Only way to stop it might be to reinstate that penalty.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 01:05 | 5254606 ebear
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"Whats with all the down voters?"

Probably the Armstrong comment.

People do need their heros, dontcha know?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:16 | 5253802 Bindar Dundat
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I agree 100%  Mr. Bay of P.  I think the article misses the point.

The U.S. Canada Border is not the problem but rather the small town cop shops with a local sheriff grabbing your cash while you drive through Hicksville Al.  or Scratchass Ark.

I have brought significantly more cash through the border and as long as you declare it -- there is no problem.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:29 | 5253848 Bay of Pigs
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I have never heard of any problems on this and I know hundreds and possibly thousands of Canadians who travel that border all the time. I see no link to back up Armstrong's assertion that the Canadian gov't has issued this warning.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:52 | 5253918 Bindar Dundat
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This is where he got his material.  He forgets we have memories at ZH...you're right he has lost it.  Search How-steal-Americans-hard etc etc

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-28/asset-forfeiture-–-how-steal-americans-hard-earned-cash-zero-repercussions

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:55 | 5253944 Bindar Dundat
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From ZH 2014-07

 

 If you failed to read it the first time around, I suggest you take look as it provides a good outline of just what is at stake when it comes to this destructive and abusive practice increasingly utilized by police departments across these United States with zero repercussions for the offending officers. In last years article I noted that:

In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion.

 

This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.

 

One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.

While this epidemic of law enforcement theft is problematic throughout the country (see these egregious examples from Tennessee and Michigan), it appears Texas has a particularly keen love affair with the practice. Not only did last year’s story take place in Texas, today’s highlighted episode also takes place in the Lone Star State. This time in a town of 150 people called Estelline, which earns more than 89% of its gross revenues from traffic fines and forfeitures. In other words, from theft. 

Here’s a little background on this particular story. From the Armarillo Globe News:

The city of Estelline is reviewing its police procedures after Hall County authorities reached a $77,500 legal settlement with an Azle woman who alleged officers illegally seized more than $29,000 from her pickup and kept $1,400 of her cash.

 

Fry, who was parked just past a speed limit sign in the tiny Hall County town, stopped Dutton that November evening for traveling 61 mph in a 50-mph traffic zone. Fry, the city’s lone police officer, asked to search Dutton’s pickup, but she refused. The officer then contacted Jolly, who drove “Kilo,” a drug sniffing canine, to Estelline about 30 minutes later, according to court records and deposition testimony.

So the cops set up a speed trap and then use it as an excuse to illegally confiscate citizens’ property. Kill two revenue birds with one stone.

Fry told Jolly he thought he smelled raw marijuana in the pickup and that he thought Dutton was acting nervously. The drug dog “hit” on the vehicle and the officers found more than $29,000 inside Dutton’s purse, still bundled in bank currency wrapping. Dutton told officers she didn’t do drugs and denied having any marijuana in her truck. She told officers the cash came from a recent property sale, and no drugs were found during the search.

 

During the stop, the Memphis police chief reportedly contacted Dutton’s two sisters, who confirmed her account that the money was received from a recent real estate transaction. Jolly, according to court records, then called an experienced local criminal investigator, who advised that officers did not have enough evidence to justify Dutton’s arrest. After consulting with Jolly, Fry arrested Dutton, who was held overnight and bonded out the next day.

 

“The city of Memphis claims they destroyed their copy of that recorded interrogation. The city of Estelline says they didn’t make any such video or audio recording of Dutton’s roadside interrogations; only Memphis did,” court records show.

 

In a deposition, Estelline City Manager Richard Ferguson said the city, which has about 150 residents, had no written drug dog policy, no written arrest policy and no established forfeiture policy. The city also maintained no written records of past searches or seizures, yet traffic fines and forfeitures made up more than 89 percent of its gross revenues in fiscal year 2012. 

 

“We vigorously defended the lawsuit and believe that both Chief Jolly and former Officer Fry as well as both of the cities did nothing to violate Ms. Dutton’s constitutional rights, but recognizing the uncertainties of continuing with litigation, all the parties agreed that a settlement was in their best interest,” Reno said. “The city of Estelline City Council is reviewing their current policies and procedures and exploring whether to adopt a new policy and procedure manual with respect to the operation of the police department.”

“I feel that I was roped, corralled and branded and put out to pasture as a felon,” she said.

There is so much wrong here I almost don’t know where to begin. This one case highlights so many of the destructive practices happening in the U.S. today, it is as if this tiny Texas town serves as a microcosm for so much that is wrong with America. Let’s start with the drug dog.

Americans are increasingly becoming familiar with their Constitutional rights, particularly the 4th Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure. Cops don’t like this one bit. Whereas in the recent past most Americans might simply allow a law enforcement officer to search his or her car upon request, many more citizens are likely refusing such intrusions. This is where drug dogs come in to provide “probable cause.” The problem here is that many drug dogs are signaling a “drug  hit” when there are no drugs present. This provides a convenient excuse for any officer to search any car at any time.

A great example of this practice was demonstrated in the July 4th video of a police stop in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, which has over 5 million views on YouTube. Once it became clear to the officer that the citizen who was pulled over knew his rights, the cop brought out a police dog that signaled drugs as an excuse to search the vehicle. No drugs were found. So either something is wrong with the dog, or the whole practice is a bullshit excuse for fascism. You know where I stand.

If you think that example is just a one-off, think again. One of the most horrific instances of non-leathal police abuse last year was the story of David Eckert, the New Mexico man for whom a routine traffic stop turned into a nightmare of torture, including multiple involuntary anal probes. The police dog that “sniffed drugs” and kicked off the entire episode wasn’t even certified to sniff for drugs in the state of New Mexico at the time. His certification expired two years earlier, but that didn’t stop local police from using it to harass and torture state residents.

The second major problem is officialdoms’ chronic “destruction of evidence” once it gets caught behaving criminally. Nothing epitomizes this more than the ridiculous destruction of hard drives pertaining to the ongoing IRS scandal. In a similar fashion, the city of Memphis in the above story “claims they destroyed their copy of that recorded interrogation.” How convenient. I’m sure the “dog ate my homework” excuse doesn’t work too well for the plebs when the IRS comes after you. Once again, the “elite” and their henchmen (like cops) can get away with anything, while the citizenry is increasingly “guilty until proven innocent.” Even when they are proven innocent, the guilty parties in officialdom, Wall Street, or corporate America are never, ever held to account with prison sentences, which would serve as the only real deterrent to serious white-collar crimes.

This brings us to the third point. Settlements. Settlements are what people in power are increasingly subject to once their criminality has been exposed. The absolute worst case scenario is a settlement, which does nothing to deter bad behavior. In fact, as many others have also noted, it actually encourages it. A Wall Street employee at a TBTF firm who knows the worst thing that will happen if he gets caught is his employer will pay a fine, will be incentivized to commit as much fraud as possible. The rewards are a lifestyle worthy of a Medieval king, while the punishment is a slap on the corporate wrist. They will take that trade any day. Unsurprisingly, when it became clear the cops in the above case would lose at trial, they merely “settled.”

Now here’s the worst part about these “settlements.” As you might expect, nothing changes systemically. The bad practices continue undeterred. For example, despite the fact that the city of Estillene has “no written drug dog policy, no written arrest policy and no established forfeiture policy,” the most they have committed to is: “Estelline City Council is reviewing their current policies and procedures and exploring whether to adopt a new policy and procedure manual with respect to the operation of the police department.” So in the face of a gross violation of a resident’s constitutional rights, the local police department’s response is basically “we’ll think about it.”

Finally, there is just the gross incompetence. Although the police department admittedly has no written drug dog, arrest or forfeiture policy, there is a little something called the Constitution of the United States of America, a document with which the police department appears entirely unfamiliar. What about the fact that the police corroborated her story with her sisters at the stop, and were even told by a local criminal investigator that they did not have cause to arrest her, yet they still went ahead and held her overnight.

Most importantly, what if she didn’t have the wherewithal to know her rights in the first place? What if she didn’t fight back? What if she didn’t initiate a lawsuit?

Would we even know? Do we even care?


Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:01 | 5253966 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen DUNDAT!

Tyler gives a class on "HOW TO TWEET IT OUT", every Friday evening. I invite you to join.....

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:39 | 5254108 Bindar Dundat
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oops :-)   Mistake made.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:05 | 5254163 Karaio
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Bangalore: 

 

+ Because you're a full head and said what you think. 

About who says what he thinks. 

As hard as it is for the listener. 

:-)

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:53 | 5254274 LongMarch
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Listen pal. If you keep going like that, then no one will listen to you. So,STFU.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:29 | 5254078 Karaio
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Can you talk a brick of text but, in my understanding it has a name: 

Achaque. 

Achacar, taking money from others without justification under threat using state force. 

In my language is a verb. 

I achaco, achacas tú he achaca we achacamos, achacais you, they achacam. 

This conjugate in the Present Subjunctive. 

hehe.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:36 | 5254083 Loup Kib
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Bindar : When you make tea, you make tea !  I always appreciate strong tea (I can drink gallons :-))  THANKS.  You're right.  And those things must be emphasised.  And then again.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:52 | 5254269 Lore
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Holy cow. I begin to understand more fully why so many Americans have such a hate for local police. They may not be wiping out thousands of people and running narcotics, but...!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:22 | 5254348 Socratic Dog
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If you really are beginning to get it, congratulations.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 09:13 | 5255050 mtl4
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Exactly........it's the BFE mom and pop cop setups that are siezing the cash because the municipality is bankrupt, not the federal border folks who are very well funded to fight "terrorist activities".

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:50 | 5253925 thamnosma
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Bay, it isn't just at the border.  Sure, they can declare the $10G and then get pulled over in say, Tennessee, and the sheriff thug can grab that cash as "drug money", whether or not it was declared.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:17 | 5254033 nmewn
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"Legal tender" defined as contraband.

Maybe they're trying to tell us something ;-)

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:12 | 5254008 FeralSerf
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"anything more than $10,000 has to be declared. If not declared, then yes, they can take it away from you."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t-charge-you-...

"Half of the seizures, according to the Post, were below $8,800."

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:27 | 5254068 jusman
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Neil rules!  I knew him at university and he is not afraid of controversy when reporting for the CBC!  So refreshing!

 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 23:29 | 5254483 Arkadaba
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Agree:

"Listening to U.S. President Barack Obama bang on this week about the importance of world opinion and obeying international law and respecting sovereignty and being on the right side of history, you had to wonder whether he didn't have a little voice in his head whispering: "Really? Seriously? I'm actually saying this stuff?"

The Ukraine crisis through the whimsy of international law

March 2014

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:24 | 5254199 NeverForgetSilver
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I think you mean custom. This is talking about local police not US custom. Please read again.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:56 | 5254286 lincolnsteffens
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The article is not misleading. The $10,000 limit is a regulation that violates the Constitution of the United States of America. Presumption of guilt is not proof of a crime.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:56 | 5254422 TheReplacement
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And if you declare it and local PD pulls you over and confiscates it you are out the 10gs.  Why?  They suspect something.

You lose even if you are honest pally.  Get that through your thick skull and you'll have fewer headaches.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 05:51 | 5254770 PT
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BoP:  Was there anything in that article that suggested that the only money being confiscated was undeclared amounts exceeding $10k?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:18 | 5254041 Bangin7GramRocks
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Merican' cops are crooked as a dogs hind leg and they have fucking tanks!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:23 | 5254352 Socratic Dog
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They're the best police forces money can buy.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:16 | 5254184 drendebe10
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Gummint: ctrl-alt-del

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:28 | 5254207 thetruthhurts
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They seize gold and silver too.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:44 | 5253701 Bloppy
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We have a lot of Canadian tourists here from Ontario and Quebec. Sometimes they buy used cars around here and drive them back. Maybe it's not worth the trouble anymore.

 

"The Situation" facing hard time for tax evasion while Al Sharpton enjoys a life of luxury after same offense:

http://tinyurl.com/nhkqflw


 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:47 | 5253705 TheAnalOG
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We stay out of United America and Holland America now cos the DHS people at the borders all ways jerks.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:18 | 5253808 ForTheWorld
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I had two different TSA men shove their hands down my pants within four hours (PDX and LAX on my way home to Australia), all in the name of safety apparently.

I think it was because I was White.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:23 | 5254053 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen World.

TSA in 'merica hires the lowest of the scum in the employment pool. It's easy to manipulate them because like most other USSA government employees, after 5 years you can get "DISABILITY" benefits.

"OH, MY ACHING KNEE"! "All this bending down has created a serious issue"!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:20 | 5254192 FredFlintstone
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I came back from NZ on business class awhile back and it was a real eye opener when I needed to make a connecting flight in LAX. It was like a 3rd world country. TSA all has accents and were yelling at us like we were being loaded on box cars to Auschwitz. I was appalled. Customs in NZ was much more civilized.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:36 | 5254230 Freddie
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This has been like this for a long time.  NYC is just as bad.  The Brits are pricks at Heathrow too.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:58 | 5254290 brown_hornet
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Fred-

They're just doing jobs Americans won't do

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:48 | 5253707 kaiserhoff
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You got that right.

Try to smuggle filthy currency into our country, Eh?

All your loonies are berong to US.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:57 | 5253742 kaiserhoff
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Somebody doesn't speak Cannuck.

Yooper maybe?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:24 | 5253837 JohninMK
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Dollars are supposed to flow overseas to buy stuff for the cost of the paper.

They cannot be allowed to return home so this is one way of discouraging them.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 09:08 | 5255041 COSMOS
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Bingo.  Right on the money John.  Its one way of keeping the flood of dollars from swarming back into the kitchen drain.  Let that flood of dollars be a problem overseas.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:18 | 5254009 pFXTim
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"asset forfeiture"...gee...this couldn't just be a part of a larger programme designed to get people off of cash and into something more conducive to central control and tracking...could it? nah...it couldn't be...

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:15 | 5254026 junction
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In many cases, these are the same police paid to look the other way as real cartel dope dealer "mules" travel with impunity.  Cops on the payroll of drug dealers have no problem tarnishing their badges further by being thieves who rob ordinary citizens. 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:36 | 5253659 Stoploss
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Everybody's a suspect.

Oh, an a terrist.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:43 | 5253693 Relentless101
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Since when do they have thoughts!?!?! Fuck off Canada!

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:27 | 5253841 oudinot
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FUCK YOU RELENTLESS YOU INSIPID MORON!!!!!!!!!!!1

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:47 | 5254127 jimmytorpedo
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Canadian turrists!

I traveled once with 20k in 100's US, Toronto to San Jose.

Securty seized it and started yelling, "We got cash! We got cash!"

I told them to stop waiving my money around and reminded them they were looking for bombs not money.

I said I would declare it when and where necessary, not to a bunch of goons with a metal detector.

They sheepishly gave it back and sent me on my way.

I bought a Taliban Special, white hilux diesel, in Costa Rica the next day.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 09:36 | 5255113 mtl4
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Too bad you can't put a dye marker on your cash so at least if you want to take it it's toast.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:56 | 5254145 Relentless101
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To you and all the down votes. It's called sarcasm. Look it up you fucking morons.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 02:02 | 5254652 The9thDoctor
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a sarc tag comes in handy

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 04:26 | 5254715 SubjectivObject
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a sarc tag comes in handy ... moron.

It's called "paralanguage".  Look it up.

(post placement is off, intended for R101)

 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:37 | 5253665 vegas
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Hey,what's the prob, I got a very large paper route hey.

 

www.traderzoo.mobi

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:37 | 5253669 Peter Pan
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It's strange how the presumption of innocence however extends to multi-million dollar purchases of real estate by foreigners with no questions asked.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:39 | 5253675 Seize Mars
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Thanks, AIPAC!
Thanks for turning my country into a third world shithole.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:42 | 5253691 dermus
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What the fuck is wrong with you?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:08 | 5254002 Seize Mars
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Um, a desire to be free?
A strong aversion to bullshit?
Read it and weep.
www.fear.org/legisaf.html

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:26 | 5254064 sessinpo
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Seize Mars    Read it and weep.

----

I did. No mention of aipac or israel. not weeping

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 08:42 | 5254958 Seize Mars
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Please do your own homework.

https://www.lobbyists.info/

And stop pretending. It's unseemly.


Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:38 | 5253676 MayIMommaDogFac...
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I hate to sound naive but I sure feel like I got lied to an awful lot in school.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:51 | 5253723 nmewn
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lol...yes, you did.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 20:27 | 5254066 SAT 800
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Yes; she did. about a lot of very important and fundamental things; too much to type here now.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:58 | 5253743 Dr. Engali
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Your being lied too didn't end when you graduated.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:34 | 5253860 odatruf
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To be fair, you've been a participant in the lie all along. We have obligations to maintain and defend the system you were taught about. And we've failed.

 

Please know that when I say "you've" been a participant, I mean the you-plural. As in all of us. Not just you, individually MayIMomma...

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:30 | 5254217 Oldrepublic
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you are right about public schools: John Whitehead, calls public schools "incubators for fascism"

 

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:39 | 5253677 Stoploss
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Did they warn 'em about if our elections are rigged like they have always been since sore Loserman, there 'may' be a smidge of unrest?

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:42 | 5253686 Absalon
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Canada has refused to extradite accused persons to the United States because the District Attorney had said such outragous things that it appeared unlikely the accused could get a fair trial in the USA.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:44 | 5253688 kowalli
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Everytime i think USA reached the bottom - they listen that someone knocked from the bottom and asked to come in...

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:47 | 5253694 Kirk2NCC1701
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Canadians don't have spare cash, any more than Americans do.  Canucks prefer plastic and to use their iToys for online banking, etc.

Canucks with large amounts of cash are a true anomaly.  These "hyphenated-Canadians" must be of non-European descent, if they carry lots of cash.  And their reasons are not because they are "libertarians".  It's something else... cultural tradition (from non-European country of origin), or they're up to something.  Not that being "up to something" is always bad.

Years ago, before we used plastic, honest and astute travelers would use Travelers Cheques.  These worked just fine in all sorts of countries for me:  as good as cash, but it could not be stolen.  No reason why you could not do this even today: You cash in a few hundred bucks at a time, and you're good to go.  But carrying tens of thousands in cash is just plain dumb & dangerous. 

You get what you deserve:  "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:54 | 5253733 nmewn
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A Canadian would rather part with his hand before losing the nickel he's squeezing inside his fist ;-)

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:30 | 5253851 kaiserhoff
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De nada.  The woodsies around here squeeze a nickel until the buffalo shits;)

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 19:43 | 5253893 nmewn
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lol...in my experience, Canadians are beyond frugal, they're borderline psychotic about it.

Its like: "Doood, its only a nickel, if you hang onto it, it'll be worth a penny by the time you migrate back home in the spring." ;-)

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:51 | 5254273 oudinot
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NMEWN; You mean Fench Canadian.

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