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Obamacare Architect Says Society Would Be Better Off If People Died At 75
Submitted by Michael Snyder of The American Dream blog,
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel, says that society would be far better off if people quit trying to live past age 75. His new article entitled “Why I Hope To Die At 75” has the following very creepy subtitle: “An argument that society and families—and you - will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly”. In the article, Emanuel forcefully argues that the quality of life for most people is significantly diminished past the age of 75 and that once we get to that age we should refuse any more medical care that will extend our lifespans. This is quite chilling to read, considering the fact that this is coming from one of the key architects of Obamacare. Of course he never uses the term “death panels” in his article, but that is obviously what Emanuel would want in a perfect world. To Emanuel, it is inefficient to waste medical resources on those that do not have a high “quality of life”. So he says that “75 is a pretty good age to aim to stop”.
Emanuel believes in this philosophy so much that he says that he would like to die at age 75. Of course he has no intention of committing suicide, but if he happened to drop dead once he hits his 75th birthday he would be very happy about that. The following is an excerpt from his new article…
I am talking about how long I want to live and the kind and amount of health care I will consent to after 75. Americans seem to be obsessed with exercising, doing mental puzzles, consuming various juice and protein concoctions, sticking to strict diets, and popping vitamins and supplements, all in a valiant effort to cheat death and prolong life as long as possible. This has become so pervasive that it now defines a cultural type: what I call the American immortal.
I reject this aspiration. I think this manic desperation to endlessly extend life is misguided and potentially destructive. For many reasons, 75 is a pretty good age to aim to stop.
And so Emanuel plans to start rejecting pretty much all medical tests and treatments that will prolong his life once he reaches that age…
At 75 and beyond, I will need a good reason to even visit the doctor and take any medical test or treatment, no matter how routine and painless. And that good reason is not “It will prolong your life.” I will stop getting any regular preventive tests, screenings, or interventions. I will accept only palliative—not curative—treatments if I am suffering pain or other disability.
This means colonoscopies and other cancer-screening tests are out—and before 75. If I were diagnosed with cancer now, at 57, I would probably be treated, unless the prognosis was very poor. But 65 will be my last colonoscopy. No screening for prostate cancer at any age. (When a urologist gave me a PSA test even after I said I wasn’t interested and called me with the results, I hung up before he could tell me. He ordered the test for himself, I told him, not for me.) After 75, if I develop cancer, I will refuse treatment.
Similarly, no cardiac stress test. No pacemaker and certainly no implantable defibrillator. No heart-valve replacement or bypass surgery. If I develop emphysema or some similar disease that involves frequent exacerbations that would, normally, land me in the hospital, I will accept treatment to ameliorate the discomfort caused by the feeling of suffocation, but will refuse to be hauled off.
A couple of decades ago, an article like this would have sparked mass public outrage.
But today, this article hardly even gets any attention.
That is because this kind of philosophy has spread everywhere. It is being taught at colleges and universities across the United States and it is even represented throughout the ranks of the Obama administration.
For example, Barack Obama’s top science adviser John P. Holdren believes that implanting sterilization capsules under the skin of women could be a way to reduce the size of the population and increase the quality of life for everyone…
A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.
The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.
Yes, this guy is a total nutjob.
But he also has the ear of the man occupying the White House.
And we are not just talking about a few isolated crazies like Holdren. This agenda have been fully embraced by our politicians in Washington.
For instance, did you know that the federal government actually has an “Office of Population Affairs“?
On the website of the Office of Population Affairs, you can find information about abortion, female sterilization, male sterilization and a vast array of contraceptive choices.
U.S. taxpayers are paying for all of this, but most people don’t even know that it exists.
Of course this agenda has been moved forward by both Democrats and Republicans for decades.
And the woman that is very likely to be our next president is also a very strong proponent of this philosophy.
When Hillary Clinton accepted Planned Parenthood’s Margaret Sanger Award back in 2009, she spoke glowingly of Sanger…
In a speech to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America Awards Gala, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that she admires “Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision.” Secretary Clinton said she is “really in awe of” Sanger for Sanger’s early work in Brooklyn, New York, “taking on archetypes, taking on attitudes and accusations flowing from all directions.”
But the truth is that Sanger was deeply racist and was determined to do whatever she could to help control the population growth of the poor. The following is one of her most famous statements…
“The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
Hillary Clinton is also a huge supporter of the United Nations Population Fund. If you are not familiar with the United Nations Population Fund, it is an organization that funds abortion, forced sterilization and brutal eugenics programs throughout the developing world.
Population control advocates such as Emanuel, Holdren and Clinton are fully convinced that they are doing the right thing.
They actually believe that the world will be a better place if less people are born and if the elderly do not live as long.
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Trial balloon. They will soon be cutting off healthcare at 75.
They pay doctors to deny care and kill patinets under the NHS. Just a glimpse into our near future.
...thought the policy was supposed to be optimism not fatalism...
So when will it become Logan's Run?? When you are forced to die at age 30?? Of course the elites will get to live to 100.
Come on gang, this is the new definition of "Hope and Change". Get on board!!!!
Notice how population reduction never applies to the Elitists, who think is it OK to increase their numbers?
I'd like to invite him to go fuck himself.
Also, ironically, his argument could be used for term limits or 1 and done for all politicians and bureacrats.
You can be certain of one thing: when Dr. Emmanuel turns 75, he will bump someone else off the list to ensure personal survival. Someone else will die so that he lives.
This is how it works in a crony capitalist healthcare system, where the rich and politically connected screw everyone else.
Fuckin nepotism at its finest....Rahm gets lil brother Zeke into the role, why dont he get his son 'Israel Emanuel' a job to run head of dept of defence also. motherfuckers
the so-called "rockefeller exemption" will still apply
hugs,
D.R.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller
It's simple, all this will come to pass as soon as enough baby boomers pass away that they can't vote exorbitant medical benefits for themselves. Right now they are just warming anyone younger up to the idea. Same way they have anyone younger than 55 repeating and accepting the mantra "I'll never see any of the money I put into social security." Until then, they will bankrupt the country to pay for knee replacements and Hoverounds.
A 'nudge' to move public perception.
A typical government solution imposed with no way to allocate resources effectively. Death panels are the inevitable end station with government health programs.
if we can't control (cough, care for) them, kill (cough, let go) them.
Only us live to chosen age.
btw, pension payemnt should only start at 75, no?
Why don't you just die now, fucktard?
He's right, the idea that we should perpetuate life as long as medically possible is stupid and destructive. It lines the pockets of health insurers and doctors at the expense of families and taxpayers.
Yes, that portion is correct. An arbitrary "age limit," however, is asinine.
Even worse is expecting a government that's just teeming with heinous criminals to fairly implement some system that determines what level of health care is appropriate at certain age ranges. Anyone who feels qualifed to implement such a system can go die in a fire.
Society would be even better off without the Emanuel family of troublemakers. Ezekiel is full of it. Must be a family trait. When it comes his time not only will he demand every test available but he'll find some way to avoid paying and stick the taxpayers with the bill.
We can only find out if this is true by testing it. First, get rid of all these crusty old fuckers age 75+
Soros
Rockefeller(s)
Rothschild(s)
Koch Brothers
Any other billionaire bastards 75 or over
After that, we'll reassess.
+1000
Betcha Dr. Emanuel becomes a runner when he hits 75.
Your life should only be perpetuated as long as YOU can afford it. My parents actually saved for their retirement and healthcare. Now days everyone is forcibly taxed for it and says fuckit when it comes time to actually save or prepare. Survival of the fittest fuckers. Live as long and as well as you can, just not on another's dime. Of course now we have decided to actually eat those who saved or dare prepare, as they are undeserving (individual fairness standards apply) and should be forced to share. Ant and the fucking grasshopper all over again. And of course the grasshopper was lied to and lead to believe he need not prepare for winter, so he deserves what the ant has sacrificed for. Circles.
All through your life, you’ve paid for health care. And just before you die, when you begin to use what you’ve paid for, you become the target for the cost cutters and the health care profiteers.
Watch out for the last two months of life. It’s a rigged heist to suck Amercans dry.
Regardless of age, hospital admission rates do not increase until just a few months before death, according to James F. Fries, M.D. Using a study by the Manitoba Health Services, research shows that “two months before death a quarter of people are hospitalized; in their last month, about half of the people are hospitalized."
Another study Fries cites, Medicare Reimbursement per Enroller, shows that medical costs don’t necessarily rise with age. “Medicare costs for those who survive a given year do not increase with age. It is the high cost of death and the increase in the fraction of each successive age group who die that cause the apparent increase in costs per year."
In other words, it’s a win-win for the medical industry. Die early and cha-ching; die of old age and it gives you a bed, a morphine pill, a grumpy nurse, a jolly therapist, jello you can’t eat and a bill that exceeds your total life’s earnings.Cha-chinnnnnng!!!
Now, Zeke just wants you to pay up front without the bed.
“We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.” --George Orwell
I am for population reduction only if we can start with lawyers, Bankers, socialist, communist, and the current group of village idiots that are currently in control of the federal government. Oh and fuck both of the Emanuel brothers, and all of the annointed assholes that think they deserve to pick and choose who lives and dies.
This issue and several others were decided at Nuremberg. American politicians should take note.
Indeed, Nuremburg should be a reminder to all.
Please note Emmanuel's example: that folks are exercising, taking vitamins, juicing to "irrationally" live longer. On the contrary, not only are too few doing it that way, but that is the cheaper, non-medico way to do it. There's far too many going with the statins, diabetes drugs, stents, etc rather than handle *anything* about diet, exercise, lifestyle. Now that's the group you should be addressing. If Medicare rewards you with a Hoveround, then that's what you're gonna get. And yes, he's a big f***ing hypocrite who hopes that the web caches will be purged by the time he turns 75 so that no one will remind him that he wasn't supposed to get that new liver with his custom-grown fetal stem cells.
What we must always remember...the very basis of our modern collectivist government is theoretical efficiency. While their efficiency models are failing and falling in around their ears, still they hang onto that mantra. This efficiency demands that ultimately those not producing must be cast aside. All of this economic justice that has been thrown about has simply been a tool to destabilize and drive us into government dependency, as is required to run an "efficient" state. The destructive aspects of this dependency (the general lack of motivation to produce) becomes a self feeding mechanism which demands ever more efficiency to compensate for the continual loss of productivity. Its a downward spiral that ultimately disproves the whole theory as only those who produce are left standing, the very foundation of of initial prosperity that so many thought "unfair". Circles.
I think we ought to help him celebrate his 76th birthday with a tire iron. Who's in?
He doesn't really believe that EVERYONE should die at 75, only those dependent upon the system, a system that they have deliberately created. Those with the cash for real healthcare, or those with the always valuable "waiver" from the conditions set upon the rest of us will carry on of course. They are a valued member of society with great accrued wisdom of infinite value when it comes to telling the rest of us what is important..or not. NO these people will likely end up as a software implant in the "system" to rule over us forever more. Maybe their head will be in a jar with electrodes tied to the IRS supercomputer.
There is no need for the negativity of 'Death' Panels, Quality of life is mentioned, wouldn't a 'Quality of Life' board be an easier sell?
Perhaps all citizens could appear before a 'Quality of Life' board when they turn sixty, said board to be made up of 'Lawyers ?' not over thirty-five, (Young people have no romantic ideas about 'growing old' and living in the inevitable wrinkled skin and lack of Pheromones aging brings, the board could assess your 'Quality of life', meaning, do you have enough money to fund your existence, or are you now or likely to be, a 'Burden on society'?
If you are now, or likely to be, a 'Burden on Society' you could be told; you have ten years to improve your situation, lacking sufficient improvement, the law will be clear, and of course, it is for 'Everyones' best interests, I'm sure no one would want to be a burden on the young.
Should this regime be adopted I predict the ages from sixty to seventy, for many, will be the most productive of their lives, the people born with money, the class so Loved, revered and envied by America, will be exempt from this as of course they should be, after all they are God's true favorites and they have the Money to prove it!
I would vote for death at 75 to all politicians so they can't do any more damage to the world and its citizens.
I hope Rockefeller, Queen, Rothschild follow suite.
I like those numbers. Here....let me rearrange them for 'ya.
57.
There....THAT'S better !
Not an arbitrary high end number, it will be some well researched combination of productivity early, AND health/budget drain later.
Anyone STILL F'ing around 3-4 years out of high school will be a drain for the rest of their lives.
Or, at least a majority of that time.
Obese? Alcoholic? Smoke? Some other "self inflicted" disease......NO COVERAGE.
Same for long term/incurable diseases.
I am long Soylent Green.
Americans seem to be obsessed with exercising, doing mental puzzles, consuming various juice and protein concoctions, sticking to strict diets, and popping vitamins and supplements, all in a valiant effort to cheat death and prolong life as long as possible. This has become so pervasive that it now defines a cultural type: what I call the American immortal.
I can't believe this douchebag is complaining about people exercising, but it is very revealing. Many Americans are waking up to the fact that the shit "they" put in our "grocery" stores and call "food" contains a shitload of poisons, many put there intentionally, and apparently they are there to help us expire when we are no longer working (and paying taxes, of course), and now we know this means at age 75. We supplement because the "food" we eat is sadly lacking in so many essential nutrients, it is no wonder we get sick, need sickcare, and die early. How dare we try to stay healthy, when our purpose is to work hard for a few decades, pay a shitload of taxes, and then checkout before we start to spend the money we've saved up!
It's not about cheating death. It's about looking good naked.
Superb summary.
Stand still, stop squirming, it is more difficult to rob you of everything when u resist me.
Nice!
yea never mind the GMOs, chemtrails, vaccines and all the other shit they try to expire us early!
All part of a long term plan (see Club of Rome report from 1969), to help control us "useless eaters" (Kissinger's words, not mine).
<sarc>So stop squirming and take it like a man! </sarc>
"There is much talk in the aging studies community about “compression of morbidity,” a shortening of the dysfunctional phase of the death process. Instead of slowly getting weaker and sicker and circling the drain in a protracted, painful descent that can take hellish years or even decades, we can squeeze our dying into a tiny sliver of our life cycle. Instead of slowly dwindling into an atrophic puddle of sick fat, our death can be like a failed last rep at the end of a final set of heavy squats. We can remain strong and vital well into our last years, before succumbing rapidly to whatever kills us. Strong to the end. That, my friends, is big medicine."
Excerpt from an article by Dr. Jonathan Sullivan, MD, PhD. It appears not all doctors agree with Mr. Emanuel.
"the "food" we eat is sadly lacking in so many essential nutrients..."
That's not even half of what's going on; but the purpose isn't to limit consumption of gov benefits by shortening life. The purpose is to juice aggregate demand for the services of hospitals, device makers and drug companies across ALL age groups. To make our phony economy run! And yes, in the course of things, frankenfood producers do make out like bandits.
Psychopaths making big money. It's nothing personal, it's just business.
Long "da Vita" bitches:
http://income-statements.findthebest.com/l/7025/Davita-Healthcare
Get a grip you assholes. All of you want to pretend this isn't fucking happening. Wait till it all starts happening to your "folks".
In Star Trek: Next Gayneration, they say "Live till 75 and expire."
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get told (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get "old"
Logan's Run gets more real by the day.
To ensure he will not become a burden on anyone else. I expect Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel to do the right thing and off himself when he turns 75.
I have been saying for a long time the people in charge of this administration are not communists or socialist, but, rather facists.
They are creepy and frightening.
They're just like every other bloodsucking self-administered-divine-right politico bureaucrat scumbag everywhere else: do as I say, not as I do.
Doesn't escape the creepy factor, but it aint anything new is all I'm saying.
Death at 75 will be for the sheep, not for people like him. Just like Al Gore running around crying about the global warming sky falling in his private jet. Everyone else should conserve, meanwhile, he has many huge homes. His carbon footprint is probably 100 times greater than the average Joe, yet he tells Joe that Joe should sacrifice. I'll worry about global warming when I see Al living in a cardboard box.
double post
When I see Al in a cardboard box I still won't worry about global warming but I will smile
I'm smiling already.
To ensure he will not become a burden on anyone else. I expect Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel to do the right thing and off himself tomorrow. He has already become a burden on the United States and should do the honorable thing and slit hit throat now.
I suggest he start roaming the streets of Chicago when he turns 74. He will meet his objective early.
Good, so they want to off David Rockefeller, Alan Greenspan, George Soros, Henry Kissenger and Warren Buffet (just to name a few) - i'm on board this decision!!!
will someone ask Nancy Pelosi?
she turns 75 in March.
just take "a pill" as barry put it, nancy...you gotta take it to find out what's in it.
OK, so now I might support this, until I turn 75, that is.
Inbreeding triggers much higher healthcare costs in the long run
i agree but only as it would apply to us presidents and other government leaches.
This guy would have appreciated Margaret Sanger's very influential work in public health in the lefty area of eliminating inferiors from the gene pool by government eugenics programs. A great inspiration to domestic Nazis 'useless eaters' paradigm of socialist utopian social engineering.
I would like to wish Dr. Kevorkian Emmanuel a swift departure from this mortal coil.
.. for the good of society.
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What in the fuck are any of you really commenting on? Nothing at all. Excerpts from an article in 'The Atlantic' which none of you here have read. Can you read???
You are all circle-jerking.
You're up first, Zeke. Show us how its done.
But think of all the Sandman jobs that would be created. If you think there is police racism now wait until a gangbanger's life clock switches to red at 27.
Great flick Outstanding performance by Peter Ustinov.
So when will it become Logan's Run?? When you are forced to die at age 30?
It won't be 30 - that's when the tax slaves are just reaching the best years for plundering.
Nope, 75 is all planned out...then you get made into little cubes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvxpETbsn08
That is exactly the question I was writing about when they were illegally "passing" the obamacare abomination. Logans Run. That is exactly what his worldview is. I actually sat down and read a lot of his writings. Let me tell you. This guy is a piece of shit of the first order. The whole emmanuel family should be sepukkud. Well, Rahms wife and daughter are nice enough, but the world would be a better place without the men of the family.
I think this policy should start with Ezekiel Emanuel. Have a great last 30 minutes there, bud.
Once again, typical policy of the elites, "Do as I say not as I do".
Quote from the post:
The presupposition here is that Obama is not a total nutjob.
In fact, I would like to observe they are all crazier than shit-house rats.
Regards,
Cooter
I guess Michelle OSambo's "diet" scam is now beinging kicked to the curb? Hey, look, Pizza, ice cream and burgers at every meal kids! Yeh!!!!!!!
Cooter- It's far more sinister than than what you think. These guys are just fronts for the real monsters. It's all part of a long term extermination plan.
Death panels bitchez!
Do we even have healthcare now?
And is there even a limit on how long we can live?
A tortoise can live to over two hundred. Maybe the secret is not to exercise.
They are liberals and Democrats and zios. The third brother is a hollywood agent who controls much of what is made in Hollywood. Your TV and Hollywood viewership keeps them in power.
Fuck you. 26 year old "Doctor" offering dialysis to a 79 year old patient who has already died twice of diabetes type 2. Offering to do do what? Stay on dialysis but to pump it up to 3 times a week for 2 hours,,, the dialyses centers are making a fucking fortune on these doctors - there are no kidney transpamts available for these elderly patients - so go on drinkiing your fucking Pepsis and Coca-Colas and giving your money and health over to Uncle Warren Buffet who owns massive stock in all of these suger-rich corporations which happen to be subsidized by the US Govt.
Take your fucking outrage somewhere else assholes.
Zero Hedge commenters have become unbelievably STUPID.
93 year old Clara describes living during the Great Depression, a wealth of knowledge here.
Great Depression Cooking - Poorman's Feasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpouL9Q1iY
I feel like I'm living in a waking nightmare.
A candy coated nighmare.
In a free society, where the tax-payer is not responsible for the health care of others or the consequences of your bad choices, you are free to:
1) Smoke until your lungs turn black
2) Eat until your stomach explodes
3) Party like it's 1999
...etc. and while some may not agree with your lifestyle, nobody has a lawful reason to stop you from doing it (in a free society).
Now that the tax payer is responsible for health care, government can control all the behavior it wants in the name of controling healthcare costs.
Just imagine New York City style soda bans to the nth degree nation-wide. We'll be up at dawn doing jumping jacks while singing "Dear Leader" not just for the sake of our health...BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE HEALTH OF OUR NATION!
Everything for the state. Nothing outside the state.
some times, NOT voting is worse than voting for the lesser of two evils.....
I hated McVain, but he was slightly better than our current Moron in Chief....We would not have had ObamaCare....and there would be some kind of border security instead of the chaos we have now.....
Border security? And cut off all that cheap labor? Dre-e-e-e-e-eam on
What do you need cheap labor for? There are no jobs!
Then you've fallen for the oldest trick in the book. The false dichotomy.
How about this...you can pay me $100 or $1000 for my advice.. it is entirely up to you.
Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood and eugenics. What is the difference between Emanuel - Sanger - Hitler?
Welcome to the Brave New World.
sschu
Listen to yourself asshole.
Perhaps the USA should embrace smoking like it did back in the 50s and 60s again.... That should "help", right?
"Zeke" wrote a thesis years ago where he would end healthcare at some age like 75 and not give healthcare to children under say 3 because he wanted to see if they survive before we start spending money on them. I have it on one of my back up disks but somehow I do not think its still on internet.
Rather radical and a friend of Obama's
But if you're a member of the ruling class you will have been exempted from being sucked dry by the system, so you'll be able to afford your health care & as long as you have assets none of this will apply to you.
But the day they've looted the last of your assets (be damn sure they'll keep you good & high while they do it), you're dead.
I keep tellin you guys, Marxist-progressives are the bloodiest killers of all. Obama's mentor Bill Ayers STILL TO THIS DAY wants 25 million Americans dead so he can launch his "Prairie Fire" progressive utopia. Google that shit and see what comes up. That is the kind of crime you get with leftist marxprogs, more and more and more big government tyranny until they kill you. Just like Stalin, just like Mao, just like Che, just like Hillary.
Grimaldus
NOT at all- this is Fascism speaking - Obama at every level and every branch has hired and promoted Fascism - Emmanuel is just on the Medical Policy side
Ukrainian Presdient Prosenko was given joint session of congress to give a speech and got a standing ovation ten times for murdering his own people - Oligarchs put in positions as Govenors of Oblasts with their own private armies - Mossolini Corporatist Fascists - which is what they want in USA - Romney is the model here
it is going to get really ugly after November and by the 2016 election then the real grinding will start - few will survive unless they have serious money
All the Tests - prostate / colonoscopy will go to the moon pricing - to kill everyone off
Facism now yes, but only because we still have guns. But guess what is very high on the marxprog bucket list? Yep, that is right, confiscate the guns.
Grimaldus
They will be changing the retirement age to 75 is what this means.
Down from the current 100?
off topic @skateboarder You an Agalloch fan? Just askin cuz other posts of yours...
Sure am, sleigher. I like everything up to and including Ashes Against the Grain. I heard their "Marrow of the Spirit" was an NPR #1 pick or some horseshit. You know it got way too hipster when you hear that kind of news. The album was quite mediocre to begin with - no marrow, no spirit...
For those who don't know Agalloch: Ashes Against the Grain.
As for you, sleigher (and everyone else too), check out this brand new band from Sweden called Sons of Crom. Their debut album, Riddle of Steel, is fucking awesome. The opener is an insta-classic. :-)
So you don't like Faustian Echoes?
Maybe you would appreciate an oldie but goody... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmh2BjVdJ-4
Good 'ol Solstice. doom classics. I haven't heard Faustian Echoes yet - thanks for the reminder. I'll let you know how I liked it the next time I see you around.
Retirement age when social security was enacted = 65. Life expectancy in 1935 = 61. SS was always intended to be a tax, not a retirement plan. Our generation seems to understand this. Our parents, not so much....
Retirement is a concept, not a truth. Folks can retire at any age ... if they have the funds.
US welfare programs will simply pretend inflation is 0% while inflation is actually 10% and the problem "fixes itself" over time. At least that is their (wishful) thinking as best I can tell.
Detroit is just a look into the crystal ball for what is coming to many US cities, and increasingly there will not be any place left to move to for work/lower taxes.
Tax donkeys, forward!
Regards,
Cooter
Tax donkeys, forward!
My thought too. 75 is the age you are no longer profitable to the gov. Kinda like a cow who no longer produces a calf every year, to the slaughter house with you!
Detroit FTW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IecTVUfn7qU
Pretty much what happens elsewhere via long waiting lists.
Many don't live long enough to get their ops etc.
My mother in law did though ,getting hip relacements twice in the UK, before passing at 92.
The anaethetics bought on dementia though, so maybe he has a point.
A lot of elderly people have dementia, with or without anesthetics.
She was as sharp as a pin until her ops in her 80's. Still doing several companys books,
and tax preparation.Sudden stop, and rapid mental decline right after.
Funny you say that, Winston. My grandma went through the exact same thing. Broke her hip at 83, had an operation to fix it and the sedation/anasthesia completely destroyed her brain. She came out of the hospital unable to recognize her children. Spent the next 4 years in rapid mental and physical decline until she passed.
Hate to say it but that is the norm, rather than the exception. Most do fine until one day, something unfortunate happens or they see a doc about some fairly minor but nagging problem and get bad news, or a bunch of pills to take, or slip and fall and break a hip, or have a sudden stroke. From that point on, time is against them and they spiral downhill fairly rapidly, 2-5 years at the outside. End up spending their life's saving, too.
So the first comment from someone who has a clue. If you have been down this road recently with a parent you will understand. It is amazing just how many people make their living keeping geezers/patients alive one more week. At some point you "volunteer" to be an input to the medical machine and its ridiculous paperwork-money. It comsumes all your time and attention. What do you get? They will break your ribs to keep you alive - because they can get paid for it. It will make the last few days excruciating. They will pump you full of sugar water and give you Lasik to pee it out, because they can get paid for it. They will prescribe cholesterol drugs, even though you are 80, because they can get paid for it. And even though your old and tired brain could use the cholesterol - it coats nerve fibers after all. Heart over head, I guess. You have to insist on a dignified death, which used to mean you sit in a corner, stop eating for a week or two, sleep a lot, shrivel to a small, dry leaf and then, quietly stop breathing. No machines required. It takes real courage to do it though.
In a boardroom once i heard the finance director of a state-paid nursing home pitch the cost/benefit analysis of hyperbaric chambers for the geezers. They were discussing "patients" who were for all intents and purposes already dead, broke, and probably without involved families (ie most of their clientele). Dude figured if he could use the chambers to get another week's worth of pulse out these people, he could bill medicare/aid $X and add $Y to the bottom line. It was sickening. Literally farming these old fucks for state payments.... And our course it was a non-profit with some kind of faith affiliation
and some of you were wondering just exactly HOW the Feds were going to manage to get their grubby little fingers on your retirement funds(all 17 trillion of them!!)?
Soilent green wafers will soon be available at your local Wal-Mart.
They're on sale this week when you open a free Wal*Bank checking account! Wheee!
Shows no initiative when he says he "Hopes to die" not a go getter.
Why is it that these population control eugenisists never lead by example and off themselves? They're either frauds who don't believe what they're peddling, or they're pussies who don't have the courage to follow their convictions. Hopefully they find some aggrieved person who is willing to help them practice what they preach.
Some did, but you never hear about them, oddly enough.
Another believer in eugenics, whose philosophy is amazing similar to the Nazis and to the Romans 2,000 years ago who would toss out older ill people to be eaten by wolves. Why doesn't this demented doctor put the words "Arbeit Macht Frei" on his business cards?
His death philosophy is prevalent in government these days, which is why the FDA lets drug makers peddle toxic vaccines that cause disability and death and probably why the FDA is trying to ban the use of triclosan in liquid hand soaps. Triclosan can somehow kill the Ebola virus, even though Triclosan's primary function is as a bacteriostat.
It should be widely known by now that living past 75 is just absolutely selfish! Wonder what Hitlerey Klinton thinks about all this?????
Nancy Pelosi, Age 74 years (March 26, 1940)
Dianne Feinstein, Age 81 years
Harry Reid, Age 74 years
Hillary Rodham Clinton, Age 66 years
Zeke Emanuel, Age 57 (1957)
Tick tock, you psychopaths. Every medical/health decision should be made based solely on what is best for that particular individual. Every person is different! You government assholes want one-size fits all? OK! The national average salary is what? 45K? Welcome to your new pay scale you political fuck.
Lets just change that to an 'hourly rate' of $20-$22 and hours worked, well, it ain't impressive.
I remember this fuck running his mouth while hawking a book right as this clusterfuck ObumblerCare rolled out. I know he's a Jew but I couldn't help but thinking, as he was foaming at the mouth spitting spital all over the interviewer what a great Nazi he would have made.
Renew! Renew!
Read the entire article and quit screaming as if you haven't yourself either witnessed or learned of cruel, invasive and expensive measures to prolong lives of aged people. I can tell you some real dreadful truths from my own family.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/09/why-i-hope-to-die-at...
Hey dumbshit,
do you know nobody in pretty much perfect health (physical and mental) at age 85 and above? I do.
Hey dumbshit, dying is a dirty business but everyone's got to do it. So read the man's entire article before you call anyone "dumbshit".
When's the last time you visited any of the nation's elderly in care? Have you EVER volunteered your time to visit, to read to them? Anything?
Nope - that's what I thought 'malek'.
My aunt was "kept alive" for almost 2 years intravenously in ICU after a stroke, try again.
But I refuse to join in the dumping the baby with the bathwater crowd and in the end proposing "because of such cases, and as a case by case determination is too complicated / potentially unfair or corruptible, it is best to stop giving any (a bit more expensive) medical care to folks over 75" [unless of course you can pay cash for it],
because that's what it will end in even if you vigorously deny even the slightest intent in that direction.
And if something if written by a Rahm, you should know there are no "unintended" major effects that can occur by such an article.
Mr E. you ziobag, I know people that live in the countryside and small villages in italy and europe and japan at 80 or 90 haven't see a doctor for any visit or poison sold by your drug companies buddies: is the lifestlyle, food, yes maybe 10 or 20% genes, not that scam you call HEALTHCARE
Those Emanuels are all fucked up!
Recommended reading:
Mayor 1%
by Kari Lydersen
War and Pestilence is already working on this.
This guy is a big giant syphilitic azzho & needs his incompassionate skin sandpaper off then buried in a pool of HIV pos diarrhea. So much for the hippocratic oath he took @ his medical school graduation. Democraps are just plain mean & nasty. Karma justice, where the F are you?
America would be better off if Ezekial Emanuel died now.
He said he hopes he doesn't live past 75, and I certainly hope he gets his wish.
You can bet your 75 year old life he is NOT on Obamacare.....
What? 75 years? go tell queen elizabeth to quit drinking toddlers blood in her bloody marys...
I can help this fucker not live past today.
Yes, the Chairman of the Party is very good at that.
Essentialy this is promoting rationing of care to keep profit margins up for insurance companies. We have more than enough wealth and potential to provide cheap effective healthcare if we had any semblance of a free market. Zek just wants to reduce demand on services while maintaining the required insurance premiums by turning abstinence from care into a virtue. I'm sure in reality he won't partake in this new virtue.
That said, the high demand for services after 75 is due to hedonic adjustments. Eating chemical crap which is supposed to be just as good as natural takes its toll on the body.
Hey, Zek, why wait until 75? Do us all a favor...
It started to dawn on me this year that if I saved a pile of money all my life, it would all vaporize in the last two years of my life if I had difficult medical circumstances at death. What am I really saving for if this is a high likelyhood outcome (I ain't gonna live forever).
Further, what if I was *forced* to recieve the care (i.e. I drop in a grocery store, they cart me to the hospital, run my credit report, and proceed to really, really, really try to save my life).
This is reinforced by the fact that the primary cause of bankruptcy is medical related costs.
The health care system is designed to extract as much cash as possible and will ensure that if there is any middle class assets left to strip mine, they will be strip mined.
Regards,
Cooter
Cooter - fine, you can plan for this with a living will or placement of assets in a trust that may not be used for your medical care and expenses. Choose for yourself what you will, but please refrain for choosing for me and everyone else. Let me make my own choices. Allow me to be free.
What Emanuel is saying is that everyone else gets to decide how and when I go, not me. And because everyone else cannot really make this descision, he is really saying he should make it, with arbitrary rules and measures that are meaningful to him. He is an evil fascist.
Or just say no & walk away.
Or just say no & walk away.
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Obamacare Architect Says Society Would Be Better Off If People Only Lived To Age 75"Is he wrong? Would society not be better off if people died at 75? It may be morbid and impractical, but would society not be better off if it could eliminate its no-longer-productive members?
It depends on your definition of better. From a purely materialistic perspective we should kill off all retards, cripples, geezers, PTSD-ers, pensioners, people who waste their time on ZH, ...
Do you really want to live in a world like that? You're next buddy!
Can't make a blanket statement based on age. My mother is 82, volunteers 20 hours per week and walks 3 miles per day. Don't see any reason to have her take out back and shot.
I'm not advocating killing everyone on their 75th birthday, I'm just saying that if you add up all the positive and negative contributions to society of everyone over 75, the negatives most assuredly outweigh the positives and in a purely theoretical exercise, it would be better for society if everyone died at 75.
If a mandatory death age were set, I think it's likely that the contributions made "to society" would go down in total. People would tend to leave the workforce earlier and would also tend to greatly dislike "society" in general leading to far less altruism.
why wouldnt "everyone" at age 73 if that is the game plan - strap on whatever weapons they have and take out the Emmanuels of this world and their collaborators?
what is the downside?