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World Proxy War I - Mapping The Foreign Troops Fighting In Syria And Iraq
If only a year ago, someone had suggested that World Proxy War I would break out on the territory of what used to be Iraq and Syria, they would be deemed insane and put away in the Marriner Eccles building or some other insane asylum.
And yet, as AFP's latest map shows, as of this moment nearly 20 nations from around the globe have deployed boots on the ground to battle a terrorist threat, which at least according to the people of Iraq, was once again created by the CIA. The biggest wildcard, of course, is how many troops the US itself has deployed, whether in "boots on the ground" of CIA "flip-flops" format, to pursue yet another regional destabilization and localized war, one, however which may just spill over in a violent and quite uncontrollable fashion.
And yes, according to the map below, it is Russia of all countries, that has the largest military presence on the most contested region on planet earth right now.
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Cool, let's play Risk
WTF = World Terrorists Forum
US is clearly more than 800, just not shown.
Secret(ish)
...USSA's MIC believe they will regain World dominance thru Attrition.
adding China and USSA, we will have de-proxy war.
Need a scorecard to keep up with this crap.
Which guys are the real terrorists again?
You're teetering on thoughtcrime brother...
The real terrorists are who they tell us on the telescreen. Have you not been watching?
TerrorvisionTM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUD0jgnoS-8
ISIS is our biggest threat. they are hiding everywhere throughout the united states and are well organized and positioned to attack us anywhere, anytime. also they are well armed and may or may not have nuclear weapons. dont worry though, if you buy stocks, give us your guns, tune into the NFL, and let us significantly ramp up security and NSA spying, then everything will be just fine.
There's always an ISIS agent, hiding behind a tree, waiting to cut your head off! Always says the TV!
So true, did you watch NCIS last night? One of the most popular TV programs ever, launched it's new season with the premise of the Russian boogeyman. The CIA is in total control of the media.
20th century there was local wars with global focus now there are global wars with local focus.
Feels like WW III. Historians will say it started on 9/11. All since is a logical cascade of cluster-fuckery.
cluster-fuckery is my new favorite word
This is Surrealistic WWIII: We're effectively at war and it's not even with an actual country. WIERD.
That is WEIRD!
http://goldtradercommentsaugust2010.blogspot.com/
The global monetarists brought about the current world war on December 17, 2010.
Mentioning World War Next, Syria and Russia separated by some very un-Tyleresque periods and paragraph breaks is also problematic, because it is likely to awaken some true believer Orthodox Crusaders with tinfoil armor... then again- ZH is domiciled in Sophia...
Even if you don't buy into long cycle theory or prophecies, it's good to keep up since they have a way of becoming self-fulfilling in certain circumstances
there is a way bigger precedent for this: see Foreign_involvement_in_the_Spanish_Civil_War with plenty of real volunteers among even moar "volunteers"
So well said. The chiasm of our times.
Sun Tzu and the Chinese are smiling.
Moon Ying and Obama's Fuckineze are fapping.
Some serious comment deletion going on of late.
I didn't haul out my slide rule on this one, but at some point in the future I can imagine a time where being an amputee, by congressional order,... Is going to lose it's sexy.
I could beat you to death, with my prosthesis, for that comment.
no TSA pro will want to search a prosthetic -- bullish on smuggling therein
4ilbs of gold fit nicely in the steel tube. I checked.
I humbly apoligize to you Mr Churchill, and agree with other commentors who were just as violated by my comment. You are right, and so are they. Congress did nothing to either support or stop this war criminal and OweBombsaway war crimes. Sadly if they had been, I do feel they would have repeated their last performance behind the veil of our Patriot Act anyway.
For what it's worth, I up arrowed your comment Winston, and scanned the rest of these comments with dissenting views of my own and up arrowed them as well.
being an amputee, by congressional order
Fortunately we haven't involved Congress in this.......throw another bone on the Obama broken promise litter pile.
+1,000 - If you are going to go to war on my behalf, you better have my consent motherfucker.
Yep that's just great since half the time we cant hit the broad side of a barn unless it's laser guided. Into the wrong barn..
Meh. Just clearing out the inventory.
Exactly - for the US this is just as much about inventory turnover as anything else.
Three d printing stocks are playing well all of a sudden.
India just stuck a satellite around Mars for 55 million US.
That's not a lot bucky's.
Glad you posted this.Searched for it and did find an article on aol of all places. The money spent is a little more but put into perspective by this part of the article I read.
"India was particularly proud that MOM was developed with homegrown technology and for a bargain price of about $75 million - a cost that Modi quipped was lower than many Hollywood film budgets. By comparison, NASA's much larger Maven mission cost nearly 10 times as much, at $671 million."
USA - 5000
The first "no authorization whatsoever" war.
Not that the killing isn't real. Just saying...."we're all just kinda doing it. And shit."
Islam! It's what's for dinner!
Wrong.
1° Gulf of Tonkin/Nam false flag war was a joint effort, outside UN mandate, organised by USA/South Vietnam puppet state, ostensibly against North Vietnam aggression but in fact against local Viet-Cong popular guerilla movement aided by North Vietnam regulars. ( A bit like East Ukraine today).
2° IRAQ 2, GWB's war, was similar.
With a coalition of 3 countries outside UN mandate : USA/UK/Spain.
(Remember Azores meeting with a subservient Barroso, then PM of Portugal hosting it in 2003 (GWB, Tony Blair & Aznar). Portugal was the "doormat" but did not participate in the Saddam bashing crusade that followed).
The USa has done this many times, with illegal actions in Guatemala (1954), Iran (1953), Chile (1973) to name only the most obvious covert operations. Many others including Syria 1955, Lebanon 1956 and Pakistan 1956 AND Bay of Pigs Cuba 1961.
A country that does not sign the International Court Tribunal convention-- which it helped create via its Nuremberg 1946 trials of Nazis-- is de facto ABOVE mandates; until it isn't...
But then WHO bells the cat?
I don't recall even the false flag.
Even Syria is on board the "whoever those people are" campaign.
you need another whisky on the rocks !
We are not at war, that is why the beheadings are not war crimes, we just need an excuse to go in there and impose our will.
Russia does have a base in Syria, last I looked the US and allies didnt so where better to put boots then on the border - that and flying bombs. Switzerland, 10 - seems they've got the best idea, keeping out. Make watches not war.
Somehow I doubt these has anything to do with real soldiers. Just the regular young immigrant male that return to their home region to fight for whatever cause. Every casualty these guys sufferis a net gain for my country.
for 100 years or more the arab has got in the way of are oil and gas.
for generations they have caused problems for are shipping pipline and extraction plans.
enough already.
the arab has to leave or be buried in the grounds.
these lands with old names will become anew.
cleansed with the thousands of tonnage of depleted uranium
sprayed with rabbi dimona bilological virus exploded by bomb one by one.
slowly these varied peoples christian,muslim and even alleppo jew will be removed.
a new leviathan awaits greater israel oil and gas pipelines it is worth it.
a million dead or 3 million what is that compared to what the jews have suffered
what about are 6 million do we not deserve this gaza and golan oil as compensation
for what the nazi did.
no the arab must die or leave for scotland,wales,canada and montana.
greater israel grows everyday
it is written in the torah bora that you goy are nothing but dogs a pest so fuck off to detroit or die at the hands of rabbi usa bombs or talmudic isis legions
Who's oil and gas? There is a law for unin's, and a law for wein's, and they aint the same law!
Lots a talk about Muzlums taking responsibility, so when they do, it's Rambo time?
If someone said20 years ago we would be fighting Arabs on their land for decades when they never wanted us there in the first place,(oh yea, pay off the elite for permission to get started), you would have lost your job and reputation. Today it's the norm. Or should I say the normal insane asylum.
"Three Days of the Condor" begs to differ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3db2IMqx4j0
This shit was pretty obvious to anyone who was paying attention, even back then.
Lol Ukraine has 50 troops stationed in Syria/ Iraq? Don't they have their own thing going on?
Ukraine is a such a mess, they don't even know what to do and i bet that they already forgot about this 50 men...
This article is terribly short of any useful information. A picture with figures and little context.
Does Ukraine have regular soldiers on the ground? doubtful. May some tartars or other middle eastern immigrants have gone/returned to syria to fight for the rebels, perhaps. Volounteers to prop up Assad, perhaps.
in the context of the thing, you'll find that it's all about volunteers. mostly young men looking for a war they can believe into
Of course, that is what I assumed in some posts. That is not the ZH narrative though.
Watch the old Clint Eastwood movie Fistfull of Dollars and it is all you need to know about this "war".
Don't forget "For a few dollars more."
"And yes, according to the map below, it is Russia of all countries, that has the largest military presence on the most contested region on planet earth right now."...
If "true" that couldn't be worse for the U.S., U.K., Israeli and Saudi government(s)...
Who provides the data for these government provided satistics? Are all the rebel groups required to file census reports with a US government office? "Everything the government says is a lie."
they are estimates from AFP, Agence France-Presse. French gov owned, run by a mixed committe of journalists and civil servants. their reporting on this kind of things is nevertheless more often then not quite good, I personally don't think they are strongly off the mark
"Are all the rebel groups required to file census reports with a US government office? "Everything the government says is a lie.""...
Well said R and to your point.
You know it's not going well for the "US government office" if they have to be directly involved with air support and attempting to start another "proxy war" in Ukraine to keep Russia out of Syria.
Meanwhile the bills keep piling up and those "proxies" like all the other mouth(s) have to be fed as the debt machine continues to self-destruct. Wonder what those mercenaries on the ground are saying to their U.S. handlers.
Don't want no stinkin USD! Want REAL money!!!...
"Don't want no stinkin USD! Want REAL money!!!..."
And gold and silver are sinking faster than a hot knife in butter...
And gold and silver are sinking faster than a hot knife in butter...
Only in America!
How many countries in this fight actually have a draft?
interesting question. from the gut, I'd say that absence of draft leads to more young men seeking war on foreign shores. but I am a proponent of draft in peacetime - as a form of vaccine - and a proponent of treating undecleared wars as crimes, so probably my view is a tad antiquated
As with your undeclared war thesis, I also agree with your vaccine thesis. When a country has a draft it tends to focus the mind. Eliminating the draft made perpetual war possible. Best thing that ever happened for the military/industrial complex.
What is this, "peace time", of which you speak?
This AFP chart is a joke, right? International Center for the Study of Radicalisation — what a dhimmified group of Brit navel gazers this must be! Too politically correct i.e., too afraid, to actually use the name of the very enemy of (what used to be) western civilization. So I will name the enemy — it's Islam of the Qur’an, sunna and hadith codified by Sharia.
The Islamic State could raise larger numbers of mujahideen from those very same countries. Politically deafened, dumb and blinded to the reality of Islamic State jihad, any coalition soldier to leave camp risks losing a head in tribute to the caliphate.
800 of these jihadi mofos got 30,000 of their American military armed Sunni brothers to vanish from the Mosul area so they could slaughter and expell Kurds and Christians, while western media glanced at the horror, recoiled, and quickly looked away.
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140612/NEWS08/306120062/How-did-8...
Where is Canada? i believe we sent about 90.
The more people say, "IT IS NOT ABOUT GAS! IT IS NOT ABOUT ENERGY!!", the more you should believe it is about gas and energy.