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Australia Unleashes Draconian New Anti-Terror Law In Orwellian Orgy Of Baseless Fear-Mongering

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Understanding how the power structure thinks, and how it intentionally manipulates the emotions of the masses, is key to overcoming and rolling back totalitarian ambitions. I have spent the last few posts talking about how instilling fear throughout the general populace is one of their primary tactics. Indeed, to borrow a term from Glenn Greenwald, “fear-manufacturing” has been in overdrive across the Five Eyes nations over the past several weeks. In the UK, we saw it used to convince elderly Scots to overwhelming vote against independence, thus swaying the result decisively to the NO side. In the USA, we have seen it used to drum up support for another pointless war in the Middle East, which will benefit nobody except for the military/intelligence-industrial complex.

 

 

While these examples are bad enough, nowhere is fear being used in a more clownish and absurd manner to strip the local citizenry of its civil liberties than in Australia. This should come as no surprise, considering that nation’s Prime Minister is a certified raging lunatic. In fact, Tony Abbott is such a little nazi in disguise, I dedicated a post to him back in June titled: Video of the Day – Meet Australia’s Creepy Prime Minister, Tony Abbott.

Remember, when the power structure sees a meme is working they double and triple down on it. With the beheading videos effectively pushing the American public back into a post-9/11 fetal position, it became clear that the fear of “beheadings” is enough to send the Western public into a total panic state. Then, suddenly a plot emerges that ISIS related terrorists were planning to publicly behead an Australian citizen in the middle of Sydney. As usual, mainstream media rushed to scare the shit out of everyone. NBC reported the following:

An apparent plot to publicly behead a random civilian on the streets of Sydney in support of ISIS sparked counter-terrorism raids backed by nearly 1,000 Australian police, officials said Thursday. Australian Federal Police said 15 people were arrested in relation to “serious terrorism-related offenses” in a massive pre-dawn operation. Prime Minister Tony Abbott told reporters that the raids came after intelligence showed an Australian occupying a “quite senior” rank within ISIS was making “direct exhortations” for supporters back home to kill. When asked about reports that those detained had been planning to publicly behead a random individual, “that’s the intelligence we received,” Abbott said. “This is not just suspicion, this is intent, and that’s why the police and security agencies decided to act.”

Glenn Greenwald at the Intercept had a very interesting follow up to this raid. He notes that:

UPDATE: A reader writes with an important clarification, supported by various media accounts:

 

Just one clarification on your article about the Australian ‘anti terror’ raids.

 

You said that 15 people were arrested. In fact, 15 people were detained under ‘preventative detention’ laws. But only one person has been charged under any terrorism related offence. A further 3 have been charged under non terrorism related offenses.

 

This despite the fact that the ‘threat’ was so high that the raids involved over 800 police.

 

A grand total of one person has been charged with terrorism-related crimes—one—and that has triggered a major fear campaign and a slew of legislative demands designed to dismantle basic legal protections. It is, indeed, a microcosm of a core disease of the 9/11 era.

Ah, but as we know, you never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Particularly a story that can be used to strip the plebs of civil rights. Which is precisely what happened last night at the Australian Senate. For details, let’s turn to the article in the Sydney Morning Herald titled, Terror Laws Clear Senate, Enabling Entire Australian Web to be Monitored and Whistleblowers to be Jailed. As an aside, ASIO stands for the Australian Security Intelligence Organization. We learn that:

Australian spies will soon have the power to monitor the entire Australian internet with just one warrant, and journalists and whistleblowers will face up to 10 years’ jail for disclosing classified information.

 

The government’s first tranche of tougher anti-terrorism laws, which beef up the domestic spy agency ASIO’s powers, passed the Senate 44 votes for and 12 against on Thursday night with bipartisan support from Labor.

 

The bill, the National Security Legislation Amendment Bill (No. 1) 2014, will now be sent to the House of Representatives, where passage is all but guaranteed on Tuesday at the earliest.

 

Anyone — including journalists, whistleblowers and bloggers — who “recklessly” discloses “information … [that] relates to a special intelligence operation” faces up to 10 years’ jail.

 

Any operation can be declared “special” and doing so gives ASIO criminal and civil immunity. Many, including lawyers and academics, have said they fear the agency will abuse this power.

 

Those who identify ASIO agents could also face a decade in prison under the new laws, a tenfold increase in the existing maximum penalty.

 

These changes have opposition support and would make it a criminal office to travel to a terrorist hot-spot without a reasonable excuse.

Oh, and this is just the first of three new anti-terror laws set to be introduced in Australia intended to neuter civil liberties. This is how freedom dies:

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G’night mate.

 

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Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:39 | 5258421 NidStyles
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Does anyone there actually take this guy seriously though? I doubt it.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:44 | 5258432 max2205
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Strike another white country off the retirement list

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:49 | 5258451 Silky Johnson
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I hear there is a lot of beach front property opening up on the Liberian coast. All the Ebola you can eat.

 

I have a better idea, instead of everyone trying to run somewhere else, everyone stay and try to fix the shitholes they are currently in.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:58 | 5258474 Deathrips
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Ahhh the commonwealth (Crown Corporation) of Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-owned_corporation#Commonwealth

( I know about Wiki bullshits...look elsewhere up)

 

The queen is making you think you need her protection....sigh.

 

Haw many newborns does that bitch eat every day....shes scary.

 

RIPS

 

 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:25 | 5258538 palmereldritch
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From Taming a Continent to this

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:39 | 5258581 Skateboarder
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So if someone posted a theoretical concept that eventually becomes a secret operation, then the disclosure is retroactive and that someone is fucked, right?

Sounds like thoughtcrime to me.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:44 | 5258588 DoChenRollingBearing
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At least one of my correspondents will not like this news, but the whole family there is aware of what is happening in Oz, and is looking to check-out of that roach motel.

I would never have guessed a year ago that Oz would be "ahead" of us.  Ugh.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:47 | 5258598 knukles
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Ahead of us?
See my comment below

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:52 | 5258610 DoChenRollingBearing
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365 + 365 - 4...

:)

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:01 | 5258639 knukles
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Sweet! 
Congratulations.  Well done.
It just keep getting better and better.
Enjoy.
It's the best ride you're ever gonna have.
Blessings
K

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:40 | 5259028 gold-is-not-dead
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God save the queen, she ain't no human being.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 09:54 | 5259452 BaBaBouy
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What Happened To This Fucken Place ???

I lived in Sydney for a while way back when. It was all about work, beaches, bikini babes, cheap living, cheap housing.
The beach was a short bus ride away. Girls would get on with only a bikini, a towel and a surf board!
Most of the immigrants then were Italians and Greeks, all coming to work in construction.
No shit, few problems.
You could buy a house 5 mins from the nearest beach...

What happened to this fucken place...?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 10:47 | 5259582 whotookmyalias
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Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:27 | 5259713 Anarchy 99
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amerika

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:21 | 5258681 AlaricBalth
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Good to see you DoChen. How is your Peruvian beauty, Mrs. DoChen?
I have missed your insightful and witty commentary. Hope you stick around awhile.
All the best!!!

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:39 | 5258710 DoChenRollingBearing
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I am doing very well, thanks, guys!  and best back at you!

Mrs. Bearing is on a Med cruise with her opera pal.

 

 

I get to run around in DC and other less attractive places doing Step Nine, but it's all good.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:26 | 5258764 COSMOS
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Yep, wb dochen, nice to see you again.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:37 | 5258705 RockyRacoon
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Well done... or doing as the case may be.  As has been said, it gets better every day.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:43 | 5258715 DoChenRollingBearing
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The same to you Rocky!  And what you write correlates 100% with my own experience.

Emmet Fox's book was a real help to me (one on my List mailed it to me, out of the blue), that makes FOUR of you ZH guys on the SMS Committee!

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:11 | 5258750 Squid-puppets a...
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I've frequently make a total dickhead out of myself on these forums, do i get in the club?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 12:42 | 5259994 COSMOS
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I see you are coming up on your five year mark Squids.  You have a running shot on making the club kid.  Keep working the comments section a little longer, cover more stories.  You know its like an expanded newspaper route.  Keep putting yourself out there, you CAN MAKE IT SON.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:04 | 5258650 Wild Theories
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Politically, Oz has always been an eager little beaver to display their colors to their US masters, whether the govt was Labor or Liberal.

More often than not, Australia would bark before the command is even given on US-aligned geopolitical issues such as Russia/ME/China, that's how faithful Australian politicians are.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:25 | 5258751 Squid-puppets a...
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tell me about it, there's about 60% of the population that are eternally embarrassed by our govt's piddling sycophancy

but of those 60%, about 80% of them never contemplate voting for anything other than one of the 2 main parties

so they fucking deserve their embarrassment. They are cause for yet further embarrassment for the likes of me. 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:31 | 5258769 JustUsChickensHere
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I must be in the other 20%  ... I voted with my feet and left Oz over ten years ago. It was bad enough then, but utterly insane now.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:06 | 5258815 Mentaliusanything
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Insane! Well that toady Prime Minister IS Known as  "The Mad Monk"

He has a Resume that would make Herman Gorning blush.

Don't forget we have George Brandis.... a certified goose stepping Nazi with a fetish for leather.  He makes the rules and smiles with the confidence of wolf

We are so fucked.....  hold on knock at the door.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 03:02 | 5258859 Never One Roach
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Australia is getting desperate facing a massive correction from its numerous bubbles; as orders get cancelled or simply don’t occur, layoffs are soaring and plants [think coal, iron, etc] are shutting down. Those expensive truck drivers who made more then the Heart Surgeons [after all, who needs a heart surgeon] will be hard pressed to meet the mortgage payments on those $650k Perth houses from what I’ve read.

 

Add to that the social friction of literally hundreds of thousands of immigrants who flooded in from MENA, Pakistan, etc [take a look at Muslim numbers in Melbourne, for example] and you have a very worrisome situation.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 03:49 | 5258894 Manthong
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..just a good thing they don't have any guns over there (except  criminals and cops) and

didn't that place start off as a prison anyway?

..not that it would be all that bad being exiled to one of the Barrier Reef Islands.. like Hayman.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 04:29 | 5258927 Aussie V
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$650,000!!! They'd be living in hovels at that price. No, most truck drivers would be living in houses hovering around 850,000 -1Million.

In Sydney, you cannot buy a Dog Kennel under $1Million and, that is out in the suburbs.

As to our politicians........I hav'nt worked out whether they're evil or dumb?? Maybe both? But to be evil generally takes a certain amount of brains to realise he's greedy above all else.

and concerning Melbourne and the Muslims.......there really wasn't a problem until our stupid PM started this whole anti muslim thing 2 weeks ago. Now, anything can happen and probably will.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 05:09 | 5258952 Parrotile
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>> $650,000!!! They'd be living in hovels at that price. No, most truck drivers would be living in houses hovering around 850,000 -1Million. <<

- And boasting about their extensive Investment Property portfolio too.

Over-priced, consistently poor build - quality housing, with inadequate insulation levels that guarantee high heating and cooling costs - hence the penchant for "Ducted Air Conditioning" installed in all the newer properties.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 08:08 | 5259149 The Shape
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This guy knows what he's talking about.

Australian houses would have to be some of the worst built on earth. And they're nearly the most expensive.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:05 | 5259644 Lost Word
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Because of the immigrant Italian and Greek construction workers mentioned above?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 17:33 | 5261277 Abbie Normal
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Must be the same builders as in Hongcouver, where they used drywall as the exterior sheathing.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 05:37 | 5258966 Tompooz
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Peru looks more attractive every day!

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 07:35 | 5259023 escapeefromOZ
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 OZ is ahead of the USA beacuse the criminal John Howard when he was the PM disarmed all the population . 

In OZ there is non Bill of Rights . The Judges are "on side " with the corrupt police force , The Secret Services cooperate with Mossad in OZ and SAYAM are infiltrated in all walks of life cooperating with the secret police . 

The ABC , Universities , Hospitals , Medical centers and the Legal profession have untold numbers of people cooperating with the secret services even the High Schools have operatives ready to exclude teachers thought to be anti esthablishment . Australia is totally run by the International Zionist Crime Syndicate thanks also to the Murdoch press .

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:47 | 5258596 knukles
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So, what else is new?
Anybody not a conspiracy theorist?
Then you might be surprised
Otherwise, par for the course, just another day in the red pill factory with Conspiracy Theories becoming Conspiracy Fact.

Every Conspiracy Theory has been proven true.
Think about that

 

Think about it again

Now repeat it to yourself

 

Sleep tight.
Don't let the warrant-less bugs bite

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:14 | 5258603 Skateboarder
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I prefer we drop that fucking gayass phrase as a species, lest our imaginations be chained and shackled to utter and desolate mediocrity and baseness.

Talking about "conspiracy theory." (or even better, the "theorist" itself)

edit: interesting that we have among us some people who like this "conspiracy theory" or "conspiracy theorist" terminology as part of the generally accepted and understood language constructs that induce very specific sets of neural triggers. Deploying these terms basically shuts off a certain realm of possibility in the event space of whatever notion is being expressed. How can one stand such limitation of thought, to shun entire subsets of event spaces?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:25 | 5258763 Squid-puppets a...
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absolutely agree, strike it from the lexicon

I think we should call it a Union Theory. Why? 

Because ive always thought it interesting that when the workers collaborate its called a Union, but when the oligarchy collaborate they call it a 'conspiracy theory'

so henceforth any suggestion of clandestine co-operation between oligarchs should be called a Union Theory

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:53 | 5258851 PT
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People who aren't in on in call it "Conspiracy".
Those who are in on it call it "We're mates helping each other".

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:55 | 5259046 Paveway IV
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I agree with you in principle, Skateboarder, but choose to do exactly the opposite. 'Truth' does not need better PR or marketing. People will either have enough intellectual curiosity to seek out the truth or they won't. The average high-school kid today knows the MSM is filled with BS and TPTB hide the truth.  

I embrace that gayass NLP label with vigor - simply to castrate the mock intellectual superiority of those that would argue to reject posibilities in favor of their steaming pile of MSM-served narrative. On the other end, what's the point of making the truth more palatalbe to knuckle-dragging sheeple? 

"If we can only wake up enough other people, we can change the world" <== Fuck that. You can lead someone to the internet, but you can't make them think.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 12:05 | 5259845 MayIMommaDogFac...
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simply to castrate the mock intellectual superiority

IMHO, Skateboarder's tactic seems more likely to get people to actually think about these things. 

It is very interesting to ask people to define these words after they throw them around -- not to challenge their understanding so much as to help them see how easily 'words' can be fucked with.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 13:35 | 5260243 nofluer
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...not to challenge their understanding so much as to help them see how easily 'words' can be fucked with.

Words are my toys... wanta play?

;-D

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:07 | 5259653 Lost Word
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Conspiracy History,

not Theory.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 16:01 | 5260997 un1ty
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"Conpiracy" has lost, as has many other things, its original intent and meaning. The original Latin word 'conspiratio' means a plot or mutiny while holding harmony or unanimity amongst those in it.

The ability of our fearless leaders to wrench words into new meanings through associations and contexts never ceases to amaze me. 

The word came from the 14th century. I wonder what else was started in that century that we still live under today and how much of it still holds power.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:10 | 5258996 RafterManFMJ
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...everyone stay and try to fix the shitholes they are currently in.

I see this guy never tried to stay and fix an actual shithole.  Sometimes it's better to abandon your shithole and dig a new one, rather than get covered in and perhaps suffocated by a collapsing wall of shit.

But I do get your point. I've had more than enough of their shit.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:32 | 5258556 McMolotov
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Rayciss!!!!

(But true.)

Where shall we head, gents and ladies (few though you may be on ZH)?

I have oft looked abroad to find a more hospitable locale but have not been able to find suitable lodgings. I've thought of Canada, though it seems that fair land has become Uncle Sam's butt-buddy of late.

I'm starting to believe a trailer in the woods or desert is the best I can hope for in this metastasizing police state of ours.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:53 | 5258608 knukles
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Way back in the days before electronic snooping, one could go many places to "hide" if one so desired such isolation and privacy
Today, there is virtually (pun not intended) nowhere to go.
Everywhere is connected
Even if you go to the trailer in the middle of the desert, if you log on, make a call, send a letter....   You're known. 

Period, end of conversation.

The days of "escaping" to the soft sands of Tahiti are long gone.
Unless you're one of the 1%, paying your vig (campaign contributions) to TPTB

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:50 | 5258795 Trucker Glock
Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:14 | 5258999 RafterManFMJ
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http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201409/the-last-true-hermit

This guy managed it...

For nearly thirty years, a phantom haunted the woods of Central Maine. Unseen and unknown, he lived in secret, creeping into homes in the dead of night and surviving on what he could steal. To the spooked locals, he became a legend—or maybe a myth. They wondered how he could possibly be real. Until one day last year, the hermit came out of the forest
Fri, 09/26/2014 - 10:40 | 5259557 Overfed
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That was a great story.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:29 | 5259016 nmewn
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"Everywhere is connected."

So...I'm driving home from work yesterday and I pull up behind this chick in a Honda car. We're sitting there waiting for the light to change and I look in HER side mirror. I see the back of her i-phone obscuring her face in the mirror, the side with the lens reflecting toward me.

Well now nmewn, what can I do to confirm my suspicion?

With my hand on the steering wheel I start waving my pinky finger at the image of her phone in the mirror while dead eyeing the lens with a shit eating grin. This goes on for about five seconds as a new realization sinks in on her.

All of a sudden her phone disappears from the mirror and she's craning her neck downward to peer into her side mirror back at me. (The light is now green) so I cut to the right as she flips on her blinker to turn left and I pull up beside her on the passenger side and looking down into her car (I drive a p-up) I snap her picture with my phone, smile and drive away.

She looked at me with the face of someone who has just been busted and now somehow, being abused. Don't know why she was being all "James Bond" with me but she knows now, she isn't.

Maybe her side mirror control is broke ;-)

Its a long way of saying if one doesn't want their space/privacy invaded they shouldn't be doing it to others.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 08:17 | 5259168 Sonic the porcupine
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Are you saying this random chick was recording you with her iPhone through her side mirror?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 17:47 | 5261308 nmewn
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Don't know if she was taking video or pics but she was definitely looking at me through the lens on her phone. When I started wagging my pinky at her she saw it and pulled the phone down and lowered her head so she could see me (with her eyes) in the side mirror.

It was weird.

 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 09:15 | 5259329 Okienomics
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I believe both sides of the iPhone have a camera lens, and I'd give it a 95% probability she was talking on her speakerphone. Nmewn, I believe you just scared the shite out of an innocent civilian. On the plus side, you may have helped add one more vote to the pro-second amendment crowd as she's probably motivated to go buy her a 38special to keep your ass away from her. We'll done!

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 17:50 | 5261320 nmewn
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lol...anythings possible but she didn't lower it till I started wagging my finger at her, so she must have seen it.

She was wearing cuttoff shorts, I saw that much ;-)

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:05 | 5258651 OhNo
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Figi,Kovo island,Your welcome

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:09 | 5258662 lickspitler
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What a total foil haters circle jerking soggy bisuit session. The only elected members  that voted against the legislation were the fucking Greens and the lone member of the Bulgarian folk dancing party. The legislation was agreed to by both major parties and the 11 independents who hold the balance of power in the upper house.

Polling shows 80% plus agreement.  Yer yer they have all been brainwashed with flouride and propaganda and they should be wearing the special hats and stacking precious metals and blah blah blah blah blah.

It's not about Islam right, nothing to see here move along.   Wow look at silver looks like shit.

 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:25 | 5258678 Wild Theories
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Australia and New Zealand are actually still decent places to live, so long as you ignore their idiot politicans and don't have a problem with a relative high cost of living.

The general population is much less partisan than the US, and if you head out of the major cities, there are plenty of rural towns with a quiet spot in the woods in those countries - as long as you can get used to their local lingo.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 03:28 | 5258882 Colonel Klink
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May want to reconsider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:53 | 5258721 Renewable Life
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We are sooooooooo far down the worm hole at this point, up is down, black is white, dogs are cats, it's fucking ridiculous and insane at the same time!!

Someone posted the "US is an open air insane asylum" at this point! I agree but add all of "The West" is an "open air insane asylum" and you nailed it!

It's a masked British former rapper who is doing the beheading for ISIS, all the weapons their using came from the West, mostly US, and their producing propaganda movie trailers and beheading videos in fucking English for gods sake, it's just surreal and an appetizer for what's coming when the USD finally loses control of this bitch!

And what's with the Aussies just buckling without any real event! A staged police event, with 15 arrests and no violence needed, talk about conditioned to piss in their panties on command!! Holy Shit

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:43 | 5258772 mrpxsytin
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You'll find that the 'Aussies' generally support these moves. It is not done out of fear, but motivated by hatred and aggression. 

Believe it or not, but these laws are actually designed to protect the Muslims from the mobs of angry Aussies. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

 

 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 08:43 | 5259227 Advoc8tr
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Those young surfer types are not representative of most Australians. I agree they constitute the stereotype but most Australians ARE pussy whipped conformists that are shit scared by the obvious fairytale and nothing pleases them more than a new law against something.

It is not true that most Australians are racist, we have always objected to "affirmative action" laws that force us to accept cultural changes just so some stubborn immigrant populations don't get hurt feelings ... Australianised immigrants have zero problems and are welcomed.  While not politically correct - rejecting multiculturalism is not the same as being racist.

It is probably true most are stupid enough to think the government will only aim these laws at the stubborn, non-integration type "Muslim" communities and they might get their culture back but this just plain naive.

This crap is touching me directly now. I was planning my first extended over-seas European holiday and Kiev / Crimea / Russia were on the list.  Now I risk being labelled a terrorist if take the wrong route between towns.

[ASIO store this in your database please =>  Brandis you fascist totalitarian cunt ... go fuck yourself and may your children suffer horribly at the unrestrained hands of a future government that you just unilaterally empowered]

It is strange feeling to wake up one day and despise your own country and most of the people in it.  When I think of the shit my English great grandparents went through to migrate the family here in the hope of a better future (and to taste it momentarily) only to have it given away without so much as a whimper I just feel like crying. 

Fuck it .. I quit !

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 10:00 | 5259470 monkeyboy
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Nah mate there's plenty of fear.

 

Incredible how the locals are shitting themselves with all the bullshit fear mongering perpetuated by the Oz media @ the moment.

 

Fucking weak

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:34 | 5259021 Zwelgje
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Planet Earth = Quarantine Planet

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 13:37 | 5260257 nofluer
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I'm starting to believe a trailer in the woods or desert is the best I can hope for in this metastasizing police state of ours.

There's NO escape from the Vogons!

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:48 | 5258793 Kirk2NCC1701
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Further to max2205 ("strike another white country off my retirement list")...
Strike another country off Simon Black's relocation list.

So far we've nixed the US, Baltic states, Ukraine, Georgia, Canada, UK, Australia.

Forget the Caribbean, most of Lat. Am., if you dislike (sub) tropical climate.

Switzerland and Austria are too expensive and too boring, and the rest of "Nuland-ized" EU is either too Fascist (UK), too broke or will be too cold this winter. That leaves precious little to pick from.
Whaddya say, Simon?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 05:06 | 5258951 Parrotile
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Pitcairn Island??

 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:16 | 5259003 RafterManFMJ
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I've retreated into my head.  It's pretty damn nice in here.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 12:13 | 5259878 MayIMommaDogFac...
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I've retreated into my head

Careful -- that's actually a dangerous neighborhood!

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 07:51 | 5259119 jimmytorpedo
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Although Pitcairn has one of the nicest swimming holes I've ever seen, the locals leave a bit to be desired. Unless you like bucktoothed mumblers who really like Spam.

I'm leaning towards Pavones CR, good farmalnd nearby, out of the way and a very long left break.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:56 | 5259826 jimmytorpedo
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What!?  A downvote!?

But I was nice enough not to mention the incestuous pedophilia.

Sheesh.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:36 | 5258839 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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What is a "white country", exactly?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:17 | 5259005 RafterManFMJ
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It's pretty much like a Black country, except with electricity, running water, and without as much rape, murder, mayhem and magical thinking.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:46 | 5259033 rbg81
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No doubt about that.  It's all tickles and grins until someone gets beheaded.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 09:32 | 5259384 Grimaldus
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Bloody progressive tyranny marches on. Aussie progressive criminals took away law abiding citizens rights to own guns there too. Gee, what happens after progressives disarm the populations?

Murder is what. GOVERNMENT IS THE BIGGEST MURDERER OF ALL. Bar none.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

Why does anybody cheer for anything but limited government?

Grimaldus

 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:47 | 5258440 fnord88
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i am taking these fascist laws seriously  

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:51 | 5258452 NoDebt
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Me too.  This shit isn't done out in the open with big flowerly speeches.  It's done quietly, out of the public's gaze by sniveling little rats like this.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:55 | 5258471 Greenskeeper_Carl
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"orwelliam orgy of baseless fear-mongering"

That line takes the cake right there. Mr Kreiger just may be my favorite guest contributor with that one

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:49 | 5258709 AlaricBalth
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I agree GC. I always look forward to a Krieger article. Although Mikes stuff is usually posted at the end of the evening for us East Coasters. Which causes me to lose some sleep when, after reading, I feel like my head is going to explode.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:52 | 5258796 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yes, Krieger has improved a LOT since his painful "Top X" Lists.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:39 | 5258706 shovel ready
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I am an Aussie, I work in IT, and I have been following this.

 

The scariest thing about the new powers for me is the wording;

 

any device that as a "RELATIONSHIP" with another device being investigated can be included.

 

Relationship!!! FFS. I have a "relationship" with every other human being on this planet, in that we are all breathing air from the same atmosphere.

 

IT is pretty much the same. Same network. Same kind of device. Sold from the same store.... FUCKING RUNS ON ELECTRICITY! - lets add that guy to our investigation. (which BTW means that they can now BY LAW access your shit, add, remove or modify information/files)

 

Scary shit.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:57 | 5258804 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yes, as in "6 Degrees of Separation" Relationship.

IOW, they can go after ANYONE they want to in Australia.

Which means that you can forget any "offshore email/web hosting", if it's in any NATO or Anglo-speaking cuntries.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 08:42 | 5259225 sumo
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".. (which BTW means that they can now BY LAW access your shit, add, remove or modify information/files)

 Scary shit."

In the Ul-Haque case, ASIO threatened an innocent man because he refused to turn informer:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/terror-case-thrown-out/2007/11/12/11...

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...In a scathing judgment, NSW Supreme Court Justice Michael Adams found that two ASIO officers had broken the law in a deliberate attempt to coerce answers from Mr ul-Haque.

"I am satisfied that B15 and B16 [the ASIO officers] committed the criminal offences of false imprisonment and kidnapping at common law and also an offence under section 86 of the Crimes Act," the judge said.

..."This is reminiscent of Kafka," Justice Adams said in a lengthy judgment in which he derided the misconduct of both ASIO and Australian Federal Police officers.

He detailed how ASIO officers had confronted Mr ul-Haque, forced him into a car and then taken him to a park where he was threatened with serious consequences if he did not co-operate fully....

-----------------------------------

Now, imagine how this would go with the new laws. It gets declared as a Special Operation. No-one can know about it, not even a Judge. ASIO threatens the refusenik with destroying his life, or the life of this family, by planting files on their computers (bomb plots, illegal pornography, etc) and threatening him and them with long jail terms for multiple offences that NEVER TOOK PLACE.

Scary shit? You got that right.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:30 | 5258551 junction
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The whole beheading script released by the police is a "Gulf Of Tonkin" event.  Someone should have the "investigators" who uncovered this plot testify in open court under oath about how they found out about this terrorist plan just as PM Abbott was going to introduce new security regulations to cover up massive corruption in Abbott's government.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:32 | 5258694 The_Prisoner
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that beheading/shooting story in Melbourne stank to high heaven.

The draconic "security laws" in Australia have bipartisan support. Which tells you that a larger than usual con as taking place.

A PUP senator even declared. "The Internet is the biggest threat of our times".

Now, back to the footy!

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 07:33 | 5259098 Meat Hammer
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When these psycopaths use words like "our" or "we, they make you think they're referring to society as a whole while they're really just referring to themselves...TPTB.  

The Internet is the biggest threat TO TPTB of our times.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 12:17 | 5259891 MayIMommaDogFac...
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+10 you present this idea with great clarity

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:34 | 5258566 TeethVillage88s
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NidStyles; I smell the UK & USA in all this. London/Rothschild Empire old boy!!!

Get with the Game.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:55 | 5258620 knukles
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US UK Canada Oz and NZ  The "Five Eyes", those that share openly between themselves all of the electronic collections  .....
Of course it's all interconnected.

It's a quantum electronic universe
(perverse humor)

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:08 | 5258812 Kirk2NCC1701
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Saw NOVA last night on PBS, and the hacking, Stuxnet, and Quantum Computing (QC) were no joke. If QC takes off (from univ. labs to NSA facilities), then RSA encryption, used in crypto-currencies, is toast.

I guess Quantum Encryption is next.

/ And maybe the Vulcan Mind-meld. / sarc

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:17 | 5258822 Skateboarder
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IMO the brain is faster than the computer, quantum, or whatever thingamajigger.

Continuous processors that permute to infinity and back at multiple cycles per second... that's not trivial stuff.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 08:59 | 5259281 Advoc8tr
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From what I understand it is an accepted fact that even electron based processors are many multiples faster than chemical neuron signals. Light / optics is faster again. Quantum is instantaneous.  The current restriction is the parallel nature and scope of the brain.  Once they can build a machine with the same number of processors as we have synapses in our brain then the machine will be infinitely faster.

Sounds great but we all know the first thing they will use it for is robotic soldiers / police and weapons of war.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 03:32 | 5258885 Colonel Klink
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All prior parts of the British empire.  Coincidence?

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:36 | 5258569 booboo
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Whew! This should take the pressure off us yanks for about...mmm, three days before our selcted tards in charge pull a quick eddy on us and suspend the constitution?

 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:41 | 5258779 williambanzai7
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Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:45 | 5258788 falconflight
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I thought we agreed after reading Animal Farm that fouurrrrr leeegs gooodd, ttooooo leeeegs baaaadd?  :)

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 03:45 | 5258892 Yen Cross
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  Was doing a little late night reading before the GDP revision in the morning, and came across your little masterpiece Billy. I laughed so hard... I think I might need to get checked for a hernia next week. :-)

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 04:17 | 5258916 Mediocritas
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Watch out for the female 'roos, WB, they've got concealed carry.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 18:50 | 5261460 omniversling
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WB, nailed it! we love you!

Skip

 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 07:19 | 5259072 doctor10
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The Anglo bankers will be finding the world a pretty lonely place.

Having pissed off 3/4 of the world at large, the crowd at home isn't going to be much fun to be around either.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 08:41 | 5259221 CH1
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Does anyone there actually take this guy seriously though?

The millions that elected him did.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:43 | 5258431 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Whatever it takes to take on Al-Qaeda.  They hate our freedom and want to fundamentally change our way of life.  Screw the rules, time to take the fight to them. 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:47 | 5258445 fnord88
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They hate our freedom....so lets take our all our freedoms....problem solved!

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:48 | 5258446 Yes We Can. But...
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Its a Macanudo?

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:52 | 5258462 Greenskeeper_Carl
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if they hated us for our 'freedoms' in the past, they outta love us now, because those freedoms we used to have are long gone

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 10:12 | 5259495 monkeyboy
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Funny how all these new aussie anti-freedom laws sound so much like sharia law that all & sundry in parliment are opposed too & fighting against(here & in the middle east).

 

You just can't make this shit up.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:54 | 5258619 Government need...
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This type of post makes me think the borg's poster software needs upgrading.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:16 | 5258752 falconflight
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They hate and revile us for our growing decadence.  I don't have to be God believing person to have such an opinion.  That's a great symptom of our decadence...that only a 'Christian Taliban hypocrite' would say such a thing.  It crazy socialist filth to make such a counterintuitive argument.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 09:50 | 5259441 Grimaldus
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Hey man you might want to consider the decadence in islamic countries. I think it far outweighs western decadence as bad as that is.

Think about it. It is REALLY BAD there. Like your worse nightmare bad. Off the fucking charts bad.

Grimaldus

 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 13:18 | 5260173 falconflight
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Ok, well maybe the perception of decadence.  But still, there's be a precipitous decline in standards.  

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 05:40 | 5258970 SAT 800
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THEY'RE OUR EMPLOYEES YOU HALF-WIT.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:51 | 5259810 Lost Word
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If you define Al-Qaeda as Al-CIA-da.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:44 | 5258435 PLira
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This is what happens when the populace gives up their guns.

NEVER. EVER. GIVE. UP. YOUR. GUNS. Even under the threat of law and violence, which is what modern policing is about.

It is the only means to keep tyrannical politicians from wondering if they are next.

 

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 22:53 | 5258450 Dakota Kid
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I would add not even under penalty of death.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:17 | 5258526 Mensch
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Funny that so many here almost worship the GUN, as if it is some mythical thing that will protect them from their evil government.  Sure, Oz really doesn't have any anymore (so FUCKEM, amirite?), but what about the US?  Tons of guns and their government is as corrupt and intrusive domestically (and internationally for that matter).  Canada has plenty of guns and it would seem their government is just another shade of the US' shit.  When are all of these guns going to rise up and save us?  

BTW--Completely support the 2nd Amendment and all of the other great Rights, I just wonder at the self-delusion about the gun thing.  Just seems like a blankie for people that are afraid of their government.  I'm sure DHS/your local SWAT team (holy shit every podunk city has one now!)/FBI/National Guard is really fearing your scoped AR-15 when they have APCs and drones.  Also, I see the utility of firearms after SHTF, but...as a deterrent against government taking citizen rights, that has simply not been evident.  Rights have been taken repeatedly (along with the biggest theft in history) and no one did fuck-all; in the most armed nation in the Western world.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:34 | 5258559 Dr. Engali
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You've been drinking, haven't you?

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:47 | 5258597 DoChenRollingBearing
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Out of the park response, + 1

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:12 | 5258819 Kirk2NCC1701
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+1 just cause u r back, DCRB.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:52 | 5258612 Mensch
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Way to add to the converstaion there Eng.  I'll make it easier for you to contribute--If;

Having guns protects the average citizen against gov't overreach; 

and

the US has a ton of guns;

then

Why is our government so successful at rolling back our rights?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:04 | 5258647 Skateboarder
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Because people who know how to use guns and own them have not put them to use yet. Because they still believe big gubbamin is lookin out for errbody. That's why. (you gun owning ZHers are obviously not part of the larger demographic)

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:20 | 5258677 Mensch
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Really?  I live in a major city, and most people I meet, whatever demographic, greatly mistrusts/fears/hates the government.  Congressional approval is in the teens.  Obama is hated or mistrusted by liberals and conservatives.  And, since there are 9 guns for every 10 people in the US, I'll bet many of these people are armed...but they aren't going to do anything about their dislike of the government.  It would have happened already.  What else do TPTB need to take?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:24 | 5258683 snr-moment
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The TV.

 

Oh, and no major city hates O'bozo

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 07:55 | 5259126 shovelhead
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Have you ever noticed in those Holocaust movies there is always one guy reaching down from the cattle car to help people get on?

You just met him.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:59 | 5259835 Lost Word
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Many people own zero guns,

many gun owners have multiple guns,

averages are meaningless,

unless gun ownership is required for every lawful adult.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:37 | 5258835 Kirk2NCC1701
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I bought RE in Michigan and bought PM also, because I thought they'd be a "good store of Value", i.e. "better than cash". Boy was I wrong.

Having learned my lesson, I then picked Guns for the same reason, when the contrived gun scare hit last year. Guess how that turned out in the Wealth Effect? I KNOW it made SOMEONE wealthier, it just wasn't me.

What irony that stocks and cash (paper) were "The Place" to be. What perfect Anti-Prediction should we expect next on ZH, so we can keep losing money?

If I sound sarcastic, it is because of the amazing and spectacular irony that ZH was started in response to the BS and wrong predictions from Wall St., and yet ZH has (inadvertently) done the exact same thing: made populist predictions that have not panned out either for its proclaimed beneficiaries.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:41 | 5258842 Kirk2NCC1701
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Moral: Don't believe anyone. Seems that the best way to hedge Risk is to allocate half of the portfolio with Perma-Bulls, and half with Perma-Bears.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 05:50 | 5258981 conscious being
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Kirk, the point you seem to be missing is, none of these paper cowboys have anything until they realise their "profit" by selling. With the greater fool getting harder and harder to find, maybe they'll scream liquidity crisis.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 09:13 | 5259323 SamuelMaverick
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Kirk, knowing what is going to happen is totally different than knowing WHEN it is going to happen. Makes 'investing' a total bitch if you are too early to the party.

 

                 Maverick 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:14 | 5258661 Dr. Engali
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Guns will be used when the time is right and not before then. That time won't come until people are hungry, at that point you'll understand why it's a must to have a battery of guns. Maybe you should try to make your point without babbling.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:29 | 5258692 lickspitler
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Hang on there Wyatt Earp. Are you suggesting that guns are not there to protect against the tyranny of Government. They are infact there for when all your hungry fellow Americans come up your drive-way to get some food.  Are you saying Americans will only use the provisions of the constitution when it no longer functions ?   Good luck with that.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:33 | 5258697 Mensch
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Yea, he keeps agreeing with my point but can't realize it; gun ownership doesn't protect your rights.

Guns are necessary later, when no one has rights, and society has broken down.

But keep polishing that steel if it makes you feel better!

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:57 | 5258717 layman_please
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i would state the opposite. the effect of armed populace is to make sure that the tyranny would never rise its ugly head. firearms are first and foremost the deterrent, and i don't mean against the looters who want to take your petty stash of shiny coins and canned food. us citizens failed to exercise that aspect so all the firepower has been totally wasted on you as we can see what the us gov has transformed into - biggest tyranny the world has ever seen.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 05:43 | 5258974 conscious being
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Speaking of tyranny - No one ever thought The Berlin wall would fall either. But it did.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:49 | 5258722 falconflight
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It's a painful conversation no matter your viewpoint.  I think that I understand your premise.  

The mere possession of arms doesn't protect or even attempt to protect the Bill of Rights in particular or the Constitution in general, especially how it may be impacting your own particular circumstance.

Further, most with said possession will Not employ them until and only unless society collapses, which btw might have been unnecessary had the Bill of Rights actually been enforced...fought for?

Full disclourse: Nothing I post either implicitly or explicitly advocates or condons illegal or violent actions by individuals.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 06:53 | 5259043 Dr. Engali
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No, it's you who are missing the point. Gun ownership was protected by our forefathers in the constitution in order to for the citizens to protect themselves from tyranny. Unfortunately the U.S citizens have forgotten tha fact. Guns today will be used against each other once society completely breaks down.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 08:10 | 5259153 shovelhead
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Your right to own and carry guns can be recinded any time for any reason. Legalities don't mean shit to these assholes.

Coming to collect them is a whole different kettle of fish.

Paperwork doesn't protect your rights against criminals.

Lead may not either, but it certainly gives you a better option than being meekly herded off to camp.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 10:45 | 5259573 Abaco
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The right can never be rescinded.  It was not given.  It can be, and has been, infringed.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 08:42 | 5259223 mvsjcl
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I think something to take into consideration is that the government hasn't yet gone full retard tyrannical. Sure, they're laying down a lot of ground work for the state-to-be, hoisting an endless stream of trial balloons and mini-provocations, but not yet in-your-face full-out Jailmerica. We'll see what happens when that point is reached.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:06 | 5259648 mvsjcl
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Dup.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:05 | 5258707 layman_please
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"Guns will be used when the time is right and not before then. That time won't come until people are hungry, at that point you'll understand why it's a must to have a battery of guns. Maybe you should try to make your point without babbling."

pipe-dream. guns will be used for everything else except for what they are meant for. and if some of you think guns are for shooting other people then you totally miss the point of firearms (respect or even dread). but that's not any news here because otherwise we would have already seen the effect of armed populace. if it comes down to shooting, then it's already too late.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:41 | 5258711 atomicwasted
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So very true.  The fact is that most gun owners are right wing sheeple that eat up this kind of stuff, as long as the enemy are those godless towelheads, and it furthers lawnorder.  They identify with the cops and the military.

For the few who understand what is going on, an SKS may be a neat little target shooter.  But it's as useless as a fucking deli sandwich against a drone, which you'll never even see coming.  The Feds own the skies, and have full spectrum homeland dominance.  You can't shoot your way out of that.  That's why nonviolent resistance is the only solution.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:47 | 5258720 Mensch
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"That's why nonviolent resistance is the only solution."

 

But that's what those pussified Frenchies do!

 

*cleans gun*

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 00:55 | 5258733 snr-moment
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Piss is never a good solvent.

Whatever weapon I may have owned, is a deterent regardless of whether I use it or not.  To TPTB it is an unknown.  To a brownshirt, it is an unknown.  It doesn't ever have to be used.  I don't want it to ever be used.  It just has to be available.  To me, my children, my great great grandchildren.

 

Do you really want to bank on TPTB never pushing the populace that far?  History says, you lose.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:09 | 5258746 falconflight
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If US history is any guide. Pushing the populace today is so far beyond any historcial context, that it is almost impossible to  view the People as having any connection to those People who committed treason for an idea.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:18 | 5258756 snr-moment
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Honestly, I always hear it said, the colonists revolted over a 2 or maybe 5% tax.  Does anyone here honestly believe we have it worse than they did?  Our standard of living is worse?  Really???

 

Were they freer than we are?? Absolutely!! there were only 15 million people in the States then.  Some surrender of freedom is required to make a complex system work.

 

But I can never abide the idiots who think full on tyranny is not possible here.  We are not that different than everyone else throughout all of history.  Human nature just is.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:38 | 5258773 falconflight
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Yes, but the difference today is that you can't make money, buy what YOU want (i.e. 30 cent light bulbs), or own or build your habitat without a very long list of permissions in hand.  At what point is ordered liberty a euphemism for oppression?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:47 | 5258789 snr-moment
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Your point is well taken.  When it gets bad enough, we will know.  People never change.

 

Even the peasants rise up from time to time.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:50 | 5258794 falconflight
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When and if those neo 21st Century peasants rise, it is almost assured they'll direct their displeasure toward anyone but their plantation masters at the social services office.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:00 | 5258807 snr-moment
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Agreed.

 

I just don't see that being enough to save them. 

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 13:13 | 5260148 falconflight
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It won't and I don't care about them, I care about us.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 12:09 | 5259864 Lost Word
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Police criminals shoot first in almost any circumstance

that has the slightest threat to a Police criminal,

and Police criminals seldom get charged for their shooting crimes,

and if rarely charged,

almost never convicted.

Police criminals usually out-number the innocent

in any particular shooting incident.

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