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Chief Executioner Officers: Mapping The Dealth Penalty World
ISIS, it appears, does not have a monopoly on 'executions'. As Amnesty notes, while there were no executions reported in Europe and Central Asia last year, executions were recorded in 22 countries during 2013, and increased 15% over 2012 (excluding the thousands of people executed in China that go unreported). Common to almost all executing countries was again the justification of the use of death penalty as an alleged deterrent against crime; but, as Amnesty believes, this position is becoming increasingly untenable and discredited.
For once USA is 'happy' not be #1 (though 5th in the world, above Somalia and Sudan, still seems high).
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Holy fuck, China, settle down!
Dammit. China Iraq Iran and Saudi Arabia ALL beat out the US! Come on let get the USA back to number one! USA! USA! USA!
Death by Cop was obviously not included.
USSA, USSA, USSA
... cause it will never be on TV.
We also don't seem to count extra-judicial killings by things like drones or hot-tubs.
We need many more executions in the USA by guillotine. We can start off with anyone whom has ever worked for the Federal Reserve and the IRS. Most, if not ALL, of our elected Federal and State Representatives are worthy for their overt acts of treason. The US Courts need to be removed as well.
Executions are not a deterrent but a valid preventative in that it prevents these psychopaths from ever inflicting massive suffering on such a wide scale again.
Bring out the guillotines and let's start today.
Let's Go Out To The Courtyard
(Sung to the tune of "Let's Go Out To The Ballpark")
Let's go out to the courtyard
Let's go out with the crowd
We'll have a grand revolution yet
We'll kill the King and Marie Antoinette
So its root, root, root for the headsman
His guillotine blade is sharp
And it's off, off, off with their heads
In the old courtyard.
Mad Magazine ~ circa 1965
Only 13 people have been executed in California since the death penalty was reinstated in 1978, and no inmate has been executed since 2006. More than 900 are currently on death row in the state. The system has become such a charade that convicted killers are asking juries to sentence them to death; the cells are bigger, the privileges are better and death row prisoners are more likely to die of natural causes than from an executioner's lethal injection.
http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-0719-banks-death-penalty-201407...
Don't want to stop the lucrative human harvesting of organs.
That, sir, is not an understatement.
Most organ donors are declared dead when the heart and breathing stops Then it's hurry scurry off to the butcher table. Where many of them are still entirely conscious whilst being disemboweled alive.
Yes, heard stories from the docs, nurses.
And the medical guys I know say there is Never an Encephalographic reading taken prior to the slice and dice.
They like's 'em fresh, ya know?
Squirmin' looks soooooo fresh... Like real Japanese sushi, carving the fish up, alive.
I believe the folks in Saudi Arabia like a good beheading.
One of the US partners and it's part of their judicuial system.
So does the Putter-in-Chief he always beheading to the golf course........... yeah i said it .....down arrows in 3.....2.....
Bitches had it coming.
The death penalty is NOT a deterrent.
Many inmates drop all appeals to use it as a vehicle for state-sponsored suicide.
Life imprisonment and solitary confinement are much better "punishments"
It saves the taxpayers money too for all of you fiscal conservatives out there. It's cheaper to house an inmate than waste court and attorney fees and hours on appeals.
Setting them free is even cheaper.
Call it revenge. Call it justice. Call it a deterrent. Whatever.
I am quite confident that if you set every "criminal" free that all of the above and much more would be delivered swiftly, cheaply and probably as fair as can be. Give them a chance to run away and form their own leper colonies.
Whether or not the death penalty prevents crime is arguable, but there is no question that it prevents recidivism.
How bout a chart that shows the highest number of executed bankers per country.
China probably still in #1 slot. USSA not on the list.
Didn't the Vietnamese make an example of a few bankers recently?
<<the justification of the use of death penalty as an alleged deterrent against crime; but, as Amnesty believes, this position is becoming increasingly untenable and discredited.>>
Sorry to be the slow learner here, since everyone must already know this as generally accepted knowledge - seeing as this short article presented it that way, simply making the claim (untenable, discredited) and moved on without supporting it.
Can I waste anyone's time here, to enquire when and how it was shown untenable or discredited that violent criminals are deterred by the death penalty? Seems to me that execution would be about as certain a deterrence against future crime as you could get, but always interested to be informed.
And said deterrence is reduced the older you get.
Fuck Amnesty.
Something like this is hard to give evidence for. What has been shown is that states with the death penalty have no lower rates of murder than other states. Additionally, if you look at the types of murders that were committed, many were spontaneous (ie a robbery went bad) or crimes of passion (come home to see your wife being railed by the UPS man dressed up as Bugz Bunny). In cases like this, a person is simply not going to be thinking rationally about what they are doing let alone the punishment for it. The final types of murders, those that are planned, could be influenced by a possible punishment, in theory. But many drug murders would fall into this category, and someone who is already committing crimes on a daily basis likely does not think about the consequences of their actions. So who, exactly, is it stopping?
Remember, evidence goes both ways. No one has shown any evidence it was a deterrant either. Again, for similar reasons. direct evidence for this is impossible. The fact that there is no evidence, that there is no aspect of committing a murder that is so directly affected by the punishment that it can be appreciably measured, is the best 'evidence' it is not a deterrant. Murder is complicated and its an over-simplification to think that doing any one thing, be it increase punishment, ban guns, etc, is going to stop it.
Nice thoughtful reply. This issue should not be over-simplified.
I gave this article a "1" for its casual treatment, as if fait accompli, of such a complex question. No links, even.
I do not have strong feelings one way or another but it is nice to hear some thoughtful, reasoned, dispassionate discussion about such things now and then.
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Meanwhile, the rest of the world is doing it's best to kill itself off.
Piss off.
You might want to consider the assumption being made that "deterrence" is the only justification for the death penalty. It's not. Others might include "justice" and "revenge".
I always thought that if the state takes away my right to avenge a wrong, it has the obligation to do the job for me.
If you wrong me by killing a loved one of mine, it seems reasonable that I should kill you. If I can't, the state should.
That said, I wouldn't trust the state to wipe my ass, let alone administer the death penalty efficiently and fairly.
I agree 100%. I used to see it exactly like that. If you kill someone, you deserve to die. I still feel that way, but don't trust the govt to do it. There is no telling how many innocent people have been executed in this country. any number other than '0' is unacceptable. The idea that this govt, which has killed so many innocents over the past couple decades in these wars of choice, has the moral grounds to execute others for doing wrong is absurd.
What about PREVENTION? If someone is dead and inert then they cannot act again, can they?
But deterrence? Give me a break...
Nobody whom commits a crime gives a damn about the consequences.
Do you really consider the consequences of traveling down the road at 70 mph when the speed limit is 55 mph?
Those tickets really deter me from speeding...NOT. If I want to do 100 mph then I will do 100 mph. And I have gone 90mph to 100mph to Las Vegas many times on the I-15 out of San Diego. And I have done it returning from Vegas.
"Sooner or later you'll get caught." Yeah...perhaps...sooner or later I will pay the fine. Big deal. I am willing to live with that consequence. I know that, on average, I will get away with it 47/48 times so it is no big deal.
(I have had only one Speeding Ticket in my life back in 1978 for doing 55 in a 40...I speed when I BELIEVE THAT IT IS REASONABLE AND PRUDENT and I follow limits when I BELIEVE THAT IT IS REASONABLE AND PRUDENT.)
I live my life by doing that which is right and I cannot care less about the fucking laws. Laws ONLY PROVIDE PENALTIES FOR THOSE CAUGHT VIOLATING THEM. The keyword is CAUGHT.
Roughly 67% of muders are solved. That means that ONE IN THREE actually get away with MURDER.
(And those are the homicides that are officially classified as a murder. Many "accidental" deaths are not classified as murders.San Diego County Attorney's office taught me this experientially. I know it anecdotally.)
Well I am the wrong person to teach that to.
Why have you excluded those executed by the Droner-in-Chief? Nobel Prize is a license to kill?
More than 2,400 dead as Obama’s drone campaign marks five years
January 23, 2014 by Jack Serle http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-o...3 of the top 5 are Muzzie countries.
And 2 of the 3 we sleep with. 1 of the 3 we have totally fucked over and killed 10s of thousands of innocents because we refused to punish the other muzzie country we're sleeping with even though the popular narrative says their people took down the WTC and the Constitution at the same time. But lots of DoD contractors made beeeeeeellions.
And the last of the 3 we (Israel) really really really want to bomb back to the m'fing stone age.
So, what's your point?
Israel? How did Israel get into this discussion?
I reckon, as a Christian, I'd feel a lot safer in Israel than in any moslem-majority country.
When you are executed..you do not commit any more crimes...100% of the time it works....its a pretty good deterrent to me....
It also works 100% of the time to prevent future crime by people who are innocent but wrongfully convicted, and there are many documented cases. But who cares if a few innocents are killed. We certainly don't care as a society in any other context, so why should our criminal justice system be concerned with such things. Better not to worry about such details when there may be scary bad guys who could hurt me.
Not to be picky, but that's a different issue from deterrence.
From what you say, the deterrence factor is a given.
However, there are other issues to consider. I think yours - the conviction of the innocent (let alone in the hands of a bad government) - is a much more important issue than the deterrence of criminals.
Not to be picky back, but the concept of "deterrence" is not as defined in the post I'm responding to (e.g., you kill a guy, he ain't going to commit a crime). The proponents of the death penalty claim it prevents the guy from committing a crime in the first instance. There are studies all over the place. Personally, I don't think it is a deterrent in the classic sense (preventing a crime by someone not already in jail awaiting sentencing) because I don't think too many people think about the punishment when they are deciding to commit murder, but you and I agree that the much bigger issue is that the death penalty leaves no room for error in a system full of error.
"I don't think too many people think about the punishment when they are deciding to commit murder"
Yes, they do. In Europe where I live, the laws are incredibly lax as compared to the USA's. Results: more and more crime. Long jail terms ARE a deterrent for sure. We know that, as previously, before they went soft on criminals, we had low crime rates.
In America, there's another problem, a culture-induced glorification of psychopathy and a trivialization of murder and violence though Hollywood, the rap culture, gun owning, etc. It's a society that, on the one hand, breeds violence and on the other, muzzles it tight. The result is people who become walking, talking time bombs. Hence the regular school shootings, for instance.
School shootings aren't "regular" so let's be clear on that.
Moar CNN, MSNBC, SKy News, BBC, MSM propaganda, made you come up with that conclusion.
Nope. Bullshit. There is much more crime in the USA per capita than in European Nations with their "lax laws".
Long term jail sentences do not deter anyone. I am laughing out loud at this nonsense.
People whom commit crime actually do not believe that they will be caught for the crime that they are committing. If they believed that they'd be caught and then did it anyway they are incredibly stupid. Most will devise another plan, another method, on how to carry out the nefarious act. They may erroneously believe that their plan will not allow for capture.
But most petty criminals are stupid. They really do not believe that they'd be caught.
You claim that you are LEA. But...Have you ever really interviewed a confessed criminal and asked if he believed he'd be caught in your many interviews? My bet is that the thought never crossed your mind...If you had then you'd know better.
BE HONEST. Have you?
Seems to work in Singapore!
They went from a gang ruled country to a very safe place. If you talk to the residents there, it's because they enforce the death penalty-without exception and without delay. Ergo, no drug problem and no street crime problem. Incidents-yes; problem-no.
So, instead of you or I conjuring up scenarios of whether or not the DP works, if someone truly wants to know, examine the emperical evidence. Singapore had high crime (early '60s), instituted the DP and crime ceased to be a problem within one generation.
I wonder how many innocent lives that saved? More than a few; way more.
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Nobody was executed in Russia. They just died in prison.
There were more that died in American prisons during the same period.
Uncle Joe Stalin murdered millions. I doubt any other government will ever equal the "Worker's Paradise" murder rate.
Churchill was responsible for the deaths of millions as well.
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/churchill-responsible-for-death-of-3...
http://mwcnews.net/focus/editorial/458-churchills-crimes-a-chilcot-inqui...
It is much more profitable to keep the murders alive. For someone at least.
off topic and i dont give a damn...
"The thermometer showed a 103.5-degree fever, and her 10-year-old’s asthma was flaring up. Mary Bolender, who lives in Las Vegas, needed to get her daughter to an emergency room, but her 2005 Chrysler van would not start.
The cause was not a mechanical problem — it was her lender. Ms. Bolender was three days behind on her monthly car payment. Her lender, C.A.G. Acceptance of Mesa, Ariz., remotely activated a device in her car’s dashboard that prevented her car from starting. Before she could get back on the road, she had to pay more than $389, money she did not have that morning in March."
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/miss-a-payment-good-luck-moving-t...
“I felt absolutely helpless,” said Ms. Bolender, a single mother who stopped working to care for her daughter. It was not the only time this happened: Her car was shut down that March, once in April and again in June.
This new technology is bringing auto loans — and Wall Street’s version of Big Brother — into the lives of people with credit scores battered by the financial downturn.
Auto loans to borrowers considered subprime, those with credit scores at or below 640, have spiked in the last five years. The jump has been driven in large part by the demand among investors for securities backed by the loans, which offer high returns at a time of low interest rates. Roughly 25 percent of all new auto loans made last year were subprime, and the volume of subprime auto loans reached more than $145 billion in the first three months of this year.
But before they can drive off the lot, many subprime borrowers like Ms. Bolender must have their car outfitted with a so-called starter interrupt device, which allows lenders to remotely disable the ignition."
And your point?
you will understand the point in the not to distant future of your police state whether or not u can afford a car...
good luck.
I drive a 12 year old car because that's what I can afford with a job.
My family of 4 drive:
None of them have less than 156,000 miles. I'm driving the VW until it blows up, then I'll junk it.
They are all "hand me downs" from relatives buying new cars. I live in Silicon Valley where image means a lot to some.
Cars go down in value. If you want wealth, don't buy expensive (new) things that go down in value.
What does the guy AHEAD of you drive?
Tesla, Audi R8, Mercedes...
And, everybody is ahead of me.
Who cares?!
I assume she is an adult, knew about and agreed to give the lender the ability to remotely prevent her car from starting if she did not make the payments.
Most likely she could have borrowed from someone else at a higher interest rate - or choose to not borrowed any money if she can't make the payments.
What do you think the finance company should do? Forgive the loan?
I believe it is obvious, encase your car in tin foil, at least till it is paid off. Be careful driving in a tin foil covered car.
Why don't you give her your car?
Or
Make the payments for her.
If you are not willing to do these things then why do you expect someone else to?
she has heard of 911 right? Or maybe just buy a cheaper car....sorry not much sympathy.
Aye, lets start 'Death Penalty' criminals. Lets make a fucking list, I go first.....
For reasons known, Tony B.Liar, George Bush-both the cunts, Eric Holder, David Cameron, John McCain, Nick Clegg, John Kohn, Ed 'The Fucking Marxist Like His Filthy Father' Miliband, 'Hitlary' Cliton, you get the idea, now add your own and lets hang these nation wrecking fucking monsters..
All around the world, before they fuck us up completely.
Its like living in a graphic novel that you cannot put down.
Infact, dont hang B.Liar, skin that cunt alive, a bigger menace to humanity has never walked this earth.
;-)
But...you left the worst of the bunch off the list.
He wrote that he just started the list. Why don't you add to it?
I nominate Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Paul Volcker, and Janet Yellin for addition. Of course the current US Congress and Senate, the current leadership of the Western European Nations, hell, the Ambassadors to the United Nations as far as that goes, will be a better start. Then we can add in the IMF and the leaders of the ECB and the Japanese Government as well as their Central Banksters.
Not content with that we can add in the Russian Federation's Central Bank, the Chinese Central Banksters...and...lets not forget the Indians.
Man my list got very long. But with a steam powered guillotine we can accomplish this in a week after we round all of the Oligarchs up.
What do you say?
Who else? Yeah...The Bilderbergs and the Rothschilds. There is a plethora of the deserving.
The USA doesn't cut the heads off of innocent journalists and tourists and gloat over their dead bodies. Those people are scum, and the silence from the muslim community over these atrocities is defending, and shows a level of complicity, the same silent complicity the catholic church demonstrated when hitler was executing Jews, mentally disabled, homosexuals and bible students in the 1930s.
Dogs, all of them.
What a hypocritical piece of shit. It doesn't matter how loud any muslim group anywhere might speak out, the simple fact is you and your ilk don't want to hear it because you're a bigoted fuck God botherer.
No, but for political expediency they'll issue "Stand down" orders that allows a few thousand innocents to be killed while our allies dance in our streets over the results of that stand down. Or, sweep under the rug the intentional downing of at least one civilian aircraft by a puppet government - a government we paid to displace an elected one.
"you and your ilk"?
You must think I'm an American citizen. You forget that ZH has an international following.
Death penalty is still the best way I know of to cut the recidivism rate.
The problem with it (not) being a deterrent in the USA - it takes 20 - 30 years to get from start of the trial to execution.
20-30 days should be enough -
As a parent, the "But, nobody else does it" argument doesn't carry a lot of weight.
The behavior s/b argued on its merits or demerits.
Why isn't Singapore on the list?
Too civilized?
Being executed for chewing gum or spitting on the sidewalk is a bit touchy.
No. Mommy Government just whips your ass for doing that. (CANING)
Singapore is the epitome of a Mommy Government Police State taking care of her children. And they will get their ass beat if they step out of line.
He is just a statist SOCIALIST.
Personally I will take the risks involved with enjoying Liberty and Freedom.
He can rejoice in his socialist Police State. (By that I do mean Northern California...fucking socialists.)
"Mommy Government Police State"? You're talking about the US.
Singapore: Authoritarian-yes; Socialist-absolutely not.
Again, talk to the people from there. They LAUGH at the US crybabies screeching, "Freedom!"
Their argument: "Yeah, freedom to be raped, freedom to be carjacked, freedom to be shot, etc. Enjoy your freedom."
BTW, compare the US Social Security system to Singapore's Central Providence Fund (their version of SS, except: your money in your account under your control)
I will enjoy my Freedom and Liberty.
Mommy is the authority, right?
Well I am all grown up and I have lived my life for many decades without being under mommy's apron.
Of course you are free to submit and to do as you choose.
Just do not try to force me to live under mommy's apron, child.
You may have a fight on your hands and mommy is not as powerful as you may think...
Consider that socialist.
...... Ok so we've covered Otardos Drone campaign but lets see the stats for the "Judge Dredd" social network - most folks call them the Po-Leese - then lets compare the genocidal tendencies of the cruise missile airstrike for democracy they hate us for our freedoms crowd and just for the hell of it lets throw in the blowin'up schools, hospitals and apartment buildings "making genocide a spectator sport" brought to you by the chosen crowd......... yeah.....
........ PEACE BITCHEZ.....
does this include street execution by cop...otherwise the US would be near the top...include drones...WOW
venturen must have spent an entire lifetime in the U.S. and is totally ignorant about death by corrupt police in countries around the world that are much worse than the U.S.
Mexico needs the death penalty somethin' awful.
Read "Reflections on the Guillotine" by Albert Camus
That executions are conducted as a deterrent is false, as US executions are done in secret and are not televised.
Executions are not amenable to "undo," and with the number of exonerated convicts, pose a particular problem for supporters.
True, but the problem seems to lie in finding a middle ground. It seems each country either kills its own citizens, which seems difficult to justify, or else a'life' sentence turns out to be about 12 years.
There was an execution of an innocent man that happened on Golgotha a little less than 2 Millenia ago. Yes Jesus Christ was crucified. He had committed no offense.
But even He allowed for the executions of the guilty. The thief on the crosses to His sides were also being executed. (Yes...Theivery was a Capital Offense.) He even forgave one of the thieves and told him that he would be in paradise that same day...He had the Power and the Glory to have God's angels remove that thief.
But even Christ Jesus allowed for this.
Many Christians in the years following that crucifixtion were executed. Some were executed in the Colliseums being fed to the lions for their belief and faith. They were innocent of any crime. Jesus allowed for that and, to this day, has not intervened.
I am certain that many over the past two thousand years have had their life shortened by wrongful execution. Some of these atrocities have even been brought about by the chuch whom proclaim the Christ as Lord and Savior.
Many were hung and tortured during the witch hunts in Salem Massachusettes and elsewhere. History is replete with these atrocities committed in the Name of God Almighty.
Yes there may be no perfect justice in the Death Penalty. In fact I have made the case that there is not. But whom has misused it?
The enemy is the state.
The state's arbitrary use of the death penalty is demonstrative of their power. I cannot even disagree with that.
Thus it STILL NEEDS BE USED judiciously and evenly by those of us whom have been violated, victimized, and marginalized by the state to those whom occupy positions of power within the state in order to bring about a change which, then, cannot be reversed.
Bring out the guillotines and execute the bastards whom have committed treason and enslaved us today.
No. I am not against the use of the Death Penalty when it is used correctly and toward the guilty.
USA needs MANY MANY more executions:
economic invader parasites, resident islamic cult worshipers, socialist parasites, child molesters (especially catholic cult worshiper clerics), rogue cops, corrupt traitorous politicians, drug addicts & dealers, all felons & 2nd convictions, all gang-bangers, etc, etc...
JUSTICE, that's what it is about. Not deturance.
Neither, it's about garbage cleanup.
So, if we have a mega-epidemic will people incinerated by flamethrower 'containment teams' be considered executions, or will those be lumped in with workplace violence?
looking at the map it seems to be a subtropical thing.