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Ukraine PM Cries "Russia Wants Us To Freeze" As Locals Prepare For A Long, Cold Winter
We would like to be able to commiserate with Ukraine's US-muppet regime, we really would, but when Ukraine's PM Argeny Yatseniuk, or Yats as he is known to Victoria Nuland, almost cried in an interview with Reuters yesterday when he pleaded that "[Russia] wants us to freeze... This is the aim and this is another trump card in Russian hands.... So, except military offense, except military operation against Ukraine, they have another trump card, which is energy". we have just two things to say to him: i) he is absolutely correct, about Russia having the trump card that is - something obvious to everyone with half a brain from the start of the conflict, and ii) perhaps Ukraine should finally pay Gazprom not only for the gas they would like to use in the future, but also the gas they have already used and payment for which is overdue and which the IMF, i.e., the US taxpayer, gave Ukraine explicit money to pay for and instead was embezzled by the people in power.
More from Reuters on how Ukraine finally, with a year's delay, figure out just what the endgame is:
"The ultimate goal of Russia is to organize, to orchestrate another frozen conflict in Ukraine."
Russia's state-controlled energy company Gazprom cut off gas supplies to Ukraine in June because of a row over Kiev's unpaid gas bill, raising concerns that the country may not be able to cover the peak-demand winter season.
The European Commission is aiming to propose an interim solution to the gas quarrel between Russia and Ukraine at talks it is brokering in Berlin on Friday.
Yatseniuk said there were no official negotiations on it, though he said a plan to help Ukraine secure additional gas "would be helpful for us."
But while we have absolutely zero compassion for Ukraine's puppet regime, which was used and abused by their "western partners", and is suddenly left out to dry, or rather freeze, with an imploding economy and an increasingly more angry population, where the cherry on top will be hyperinflation to follow a very vold winter, we are indeed sad for Ukraine's ordinary people, who are merely the innocent victims in the ongoing political power struggle between Obama and Putin, and for whom the next few months will be a living hell.
Still, we are confident they will survive: here is how the Ukrainian locals are preparing, according to Bloomberg:
Since Kiev’s authorities started turning off communal hot water supplies last month to save natural gas, people with their own boilers have found unwashed friends on the doorstep armed with a towel and a bar of soap.
Yulia Mikulska, an accountant from the Ukrainian capital, had gone weeks without a hot shower before she visited her brother’s summer house, which is fitted with an electric water heater. “I finally got to wash myself like a human being!” the elegant 38-year-old said.
Ukrainians are resorting to “wash visits” along with school closures and DIY insulation as the nation of 45 million braces for a winter without enough gas. Authorities, already fighting an insurgency in the east, are scrambling to build stockpiles in a country where temperatures can drop to 20 below zero Celsius (negative 4 degrees Fahrenheit) after Russia, the main supplier, stopped shipments in June.
An early winter in Ukraine means the locals will literally have to warm themselves for the next two months:
Kievenergo, which provides heat for the capital, said it may delay supplying customers until the start of November, when average temperatures are near zero, and stop at the end of March. By providing heat for one month less than usual, it will save 5.5 million cubic meters of gas a day.
The Kiev power authority has a modest proposal to the locals: chill. Literally.
Homes will have to be kept cooler, with the thermostat set at 19 degrees Celsius, 5 degrees lower than usual, according to Naftogaz Chief Executive Officer Andriy Kobolyev. Authorities have also warned of power cuts.
Another side effect: students will be dumber, something the "Western alliance" will surely welcome:
In the western Ukrainian city of Lviv, schools will likely close during the coldest months because there’s not enough fuel to heat them. The city has introduced a 6-day week and canceled vacations in October and March to make up the time.
Oleksandr Poltoratskyi, director of an elementary school with 700 pupils in Kiev, decided to forgo a plan to buy laptops and spent the money on a boiler instead. “That way we’ll be sure to have hot water for the kids, even if there’s rationing,” he said.
the biggest irony is that in desperately seeking to avoid becoming part of the new USSR, the Ukraine energy company what few customers it has left to, well, revert to the practices from the old USSR:
Naftogaz’s Kobolyev advised households to revert to frugal practices from Soviet times. They should glue strips of paper to the inside of window frames to keep warm air in, he told weekly newspaper Dzerkalo Tyzhnya. Kharkiv’s city council has called on residents to volunteer to help insulate apartment buildings and pay for the repairs out of their own pockets.
Mikulska, the accountant who showered at her brother’s place, said that installing a boiler is too expensive so she’s been heating up water in an electric tea kettle to wash herself and her 9-year-old daughter. She managed to color her hair using a kettle to rinse out the dye. If there’s a power cut, she says she won’t have any heat at all.
The bottom line:
“Imagine washing your child if there’s no heating,” she said. “Now that there’s some sun we can dry things, but later, if our heaters are cold, what are we going to do?”
Well, one thing you can do is go to the parliament, and protest, demanding a change in the government - one which actually prioritizes the best interests of its own people, not those of some burecrats a few thousand miles away. After all isn't that what got Ukraine in this sorded situation in the first place?
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Thats what you get for getting others to FREEZE Russian assets abroad.
Ha! Looks like Ukraine will be freezing its assets off.
Burn your IMF SDRs
No, dahlings. It's your buds in the West want you to freeze.
They don't want you to freeze, they want you to pay!
Tell em to move to Detroilet, they seem to think that water comes out of the faucet for free.
pods
Don't worry, Biden the Lesser is on it
Did US give money to Ukraine to pay Russia for past gas? Did Ukraine not then pay Russia? If Obama wants to give my money away for free, why not pay Russia directly?
You don't give $5 to a panhandler, if you give him anything give him a $5 blanket or $5 of food, instead of cash to fund his drug habit.
Nudleman will distribute backpacking camp stoves with plenty of cookie dough mix for all.
"Ummm, warm cookies."
Word Up to EU.. “Body Heat”.
..and that skinny, bald, four eyed schmuck needs to be Trotysky’d or Stalin’d or something similarly violent.
Nuland's $5b would have more than paid the Gaz bill.
Why that pussy Yats and ZATO are ultimately doomed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13sxFHM6Mjg&index=1&list=UUkWj_nIruZFcr1...
Not everyone believes the b.s.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/09/hilarious-german-satire-of-anti-russian.html
Most folks do not know that Trotsky made millions from the horror of the “soviet”:
..and that it was entirely funded by New York bankers, who made way more millions taking the TSAR.gov down.
look up the history of Jacob Schiff and the banks he was affiliated with.
oh..and Lenin died of some brain disorder in the ‘20’s.
and Trotsky finally croaked sometime in the ‘40’s.
oh.. oh.. oh.. see if you can verify that J.P. Morgan (the original) was in Russia sometime shortly after the quiet coup that happened after some small skirmishes in a few Russian Cities.
Whatever you thimk.. it wasn't like that.
I was brain F'd as a kid.. you are brain f'd now .
The whole socialist evo-revo lution is an evil NWO plot to move resources from the productive to the latent (<.001 pct). and restore the barony of the past.
Just like their NE neighbor (Russia), wonder where the Kiev govt. dachas are heated this winter ? That would be a hoot to see how the upper crust lives in Kiev on tax and IMF dollars.
If I was younger and wanted to be a sniping kind of guy..
Daschas would not be a good place to be.
"Ukraine's puppet regime, which was used and abused by their "western partners", and is suddenly left out to dry, or rather freeze"
You can bet your last dollar that the regime will be the very last to freeze, just the ordinary people as usual.
mmm, capitalism without technological advancement...
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Maybe we can send the politicians from the USSA and EU to Ukraine this winter so they can be set on fire and create some heat for the poor Ukes. It's a win-win situation for all!
This is sort of like a meth head stealing your money then offering to help you look for it.
Tell em to move to Detroilet, they seem to think that water comes out of the faucet for free.
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They think that, because it's true.
Meh, the FSA will soon find out otherwise: "When Dreams Come Due, Government and Economics as if Freedom Mattered", by John Galt, ISBN:0-671-61159-3
Actually, the NEWS of the MONTH today is that Hungary has cut gas supplies to Ukraine.
The fun in the break up of EU is just getting warmed up...oops...frozen down? the throats of the ever gullible public....better known as the sheeple....
Hungary suspends gas supplies to UkraineEU and US taxpayers will eventually wind up paying for all the bills to prop up the installed Kiev government.
Ukraine Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk says the country has enough natural gas to ensure it is not "frozen" in the winter.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/ukraine-wont-frozen-russia-pm-054000918.html
BERLIN (AP) — Ukraine would repay $3.1 billion in debts to Russia in exchange for guaranteed gas deliveries through the harsh winter months under a proposal unveiled Friday after talks brokered by the European Union.
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-ukraine-eu-brokered-talks-gas-064341265--fi...
Long wood bitches!
Is there a Dry firewood index/future ex France.
Many years ago I had an after school job cutting firewood, into forty foot sea containers for India ex NZ.
Wonder if Obummer will pick up the tab???
Let me guess. Natural gas is a right. Wouldn't surprise me if it was actually in the Ukrainian constitution.
Calling Al Snore..... Can we have some global warming please?
Since Obama got them into this mess... Perhaps he should ignore his own global warming message and ship them an ass-load of coal in an effort to save the trees?
Everybody wins!!!
Han Solo in carbonite! See?! This is why I read ZH.
And I'll bet the article is interesting, too!
Not me, I only buy it for the articles..... Oops wrong mag. Thought I was talking to my wife for a minute.
maybe Ukraine can just burn all the money the central banks keep printing to keep warm? afterall, this entire "crisis" has been manufactured by the "Western" banks and their puppet countries (US, Germany, France, etc...)
It would be appropriate to see Putin as Batman's Dr. Feeze. Cold!
Retards...IMF Sponsored Retards
Takes one to KNOW one.
Hey +1 from me. That was kind of funny.
IMF has given Kiev $4.7 billion USD so far,
and over $12 billion more coming in the "pipeline" (pun intended).
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/29/us-ukraine-crisis-imf-idUSKBN0...
I guess you should have left the "democratically elected" people in power then and not listened to the desparate fucks in the west then assfucks.
There's prolly only one respectable bank in the world, and then you have to find it.
Takes one to know one Ben
I hope these muppet idiots freeze this winter and please get Al Gore over there to drivel on and on about GW.
mmm … I highly doubt ANY leader, Ukraine, USA, Russia, Chinese, Japanese, African, etc will feel an ounce of cold or hunger discomfort this or any other winter. More likely $500, 7-course dinners at the D.C. Willard, or in the Brussels 5-Star Drie Konige Restaurant with $500/bottle fine wine and/or champagne.
However, I do think many genuinely patriotic average Joe Bloe citizens may freeze their asses off as a result of these Elite Oligarch squabbles.
[PS: I made the Brussels restaurant name up but you get the idea]
[PPS: I also made the name "Joe Bloe" up in case you were wondering who he is]
Thanks for the heads up...my personal consierge was just told to book dinner at the Drie Konige,...hear it has great Mon Fres Patuat (made that up).
Diplomatic lubricant: John Kerry in carbonite.
Would look nice on the wall of Putin's office.
Who would want a horse decorating his office?
I'm sure the local glue factory would be more suitable for the likes of Kerry. At least it would confirm even he has worth (however small).
No doubt I would freeze if I didn't pay my bill..
A word of advice to nazi pussies: When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire!
All that wood paneling and furniture will make nice firewood.
Mystery Man Who Moves Japanese Markets Made More Than 1 Million Trades - Bloomberg
It was six minutes after the opening bell on Feb. 4, and dozens of big-name stocks were still untraded in Tokyo.
Tell me more about your "right" to having natural gas pumped into your homes.
If nothing else, humanity is getting a crash course on the difference between rights and privileges.
Not to mention ownership and thievery.
The Ukie oligarchs are fairly well versed in thievery I MO.
Has anyone ran the numbers on how many BTUs a burning banker produces?
"You fucked up. You trusted us."
pay your fucken bills deadbeats
I fail to see what Detroit has to do with this thread?
Water freeloaders
"Russia wants us to freeze"
Something tells me it won't be your western banker dick sucking ass who is freezing.
Russia wants us to freeze! They won't give us natural gas for no good reason other than that we can't/won't pay for it! Ignorant bastards!
A slight over reaction, I thought they were stealing eveyone elses gas. The only way they will freeze will be if the gas supply to Europe is cut completely. A bunch of drama queens!
hey guys
im new to post on ZH. been following for years tho. 1st wanted to say thanks to those running this site & being advocates of truth. also to the posters, great combination of wit & humor. i just wanted to attach this link (below this post), CNN yesterday attempting to take ZH to task. i emailed info@zerohedge.com but not sure if thats an outbound-only (i used it for log-in infor). anyway, didn't want this to go unoticed & i look forward to ZH unleashing the heavy artillery in returning fire.
best to everyone & have a great weekend
Zero Hedge: Wall Street's daily dose of doom and gloom - CNNMoney
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/25/investing/zero-hedge-wall-street-blog-fi...
Thanks, aliki, and welcome. I got 2 paragraphs into that article before I wanted to punch my laptop. Apparently truth based on centuries of historical fact is just pessimism, or, as Obama would say: We're just hatin'.
It's awesome that they're talking about us. They will always tell you whom they fear.
To paraphrase Ghandi:
'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then it all crashes and burns.'
Welcome to fight club. If it's your first night at fight club you have to fight......... Bitch!
Man, didn't even let him throw the first punch, lol
"They bark, then we ride"
CNN? WHy did you not throw a link to their spin office at Langley?
Homes will have to be kept cooler, with the thermostat set at 19 degrees Celsius, 5 degrees lower than usual,
Heat to 24 deg C??? Who has their home that swelteringly hot?!
In Americanese, 20 degrees Celsius is 68 Fahrenheit. The US hasn't adopted the metric system yet, but we're inching our way towards it.
Spare yourselves, don't do it. Anyhow, no need once Spew-rope goes tits up.
the yid kicks putin in the balls
steals his wallet
goes to the cops
and in typical talmudick fashion
plays the victim
and calls putin a jew hating bully
fuck you
you zionist yahudi.
Who runs bartertown? Putin runs bartertown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xetonjc3M8
bartertown is made up fiction hollywood not matter
otherwise facts....
Putin Administration in real:
http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2014/06/15-years-of-putin-rule-in-one-infograph.html
Ukraine should finally pay Gazprom not only for the gas they would like to use in the future, but also the gas they have already used and payment for which is overdue and which the IMF, i.e., the US taxpayer, gave Ukraine explicit money to pay for and instead was embezzled by the people in power.
Nothing more to add freeze assholes, more food for me.
Anyone wanna bet that Yats has hot water, and is not about to turn his thermostat down?
dunno ... maybe the ukraine elites will winter on the french riviera instead ...
possibly, now that it is unlikely that they will be heading for Yalta
Kolomyskyi live in Switzerland fortifications
run private army and killings remote and proxy
media has been awfully silent on Ukraine - I take it the mercs have been massacring ethnic Russians of late? Anyone?
I've seen no US media reports about the mass graves found recently near Donetsk -- clearly the handiwork of the Ukrainian army. Likewise, our great, bold MSM dropped the ball seemingly simultaneously on the MH17 story when it became obvious Washington's line didn't hold water. Just pretended the story didn't exist. Likewise, no US reporting on the Estonian foreign minister saying in a surveilled phone call that it was Ukie-paid snipers who took out Berkut officers during the demos last Feb. so as to inflame the situation. The Frankfurter Allgemeine had the story, but I saw nothing in the US media. Ditto the NY Times giving banner coverage to unsubstaniated reports from the Kiev propaganda mill that Russian forces had invaded, that Russian forces had shot at convoys of refugees, that Russia was shelling Ukraine from positions inside Russia, etc., etc. Likewise the constant MSM theme that is was Russia that destabiized Ukraine, when any fool can see we did. The US regime penchant for prevarication and obfuscation, though horrible, comes as no surprise. What much more upsetting, and dowright eerie, is the absolute complicity of our MSM.
Things could get worse for the population at large, Kiev soldiers given worm soup. That's worm, not warm.
In Krivoy Rog soldiers fed porridge with worms
double post
sorrey..
worm and snakes harvest season is done now with crispy weather
turnips is less protein
They just want you to pay your fucking bills, you deadbeat pieces of shit.
I feel bad for the hard working people who are stuck in that shitty country. My family was lucky enough to escape Ukraine in the 1930s.
good post
Will Obama golf in january wearing short sleeves in solidarity?
as long as he does in it Minnesota.
Already verified that mine snowblower is in working order. 4 or 5 weeks from now, and the snow will commence (until the end of April! :<( )
Hasn't everyone heard about the latest taste craze for the winter of '14?
They're almost ready for delivery folks... You can buy them individually or in packs of (6) Ukesicles®
They come in (3) great flavors ; frostbite PURPLE, gang GREEN, frigid BLUE.
Order Early, as the holidays are just around the corner.
Where is global warming when you need it ?
Not smart enough to come in from the cold ?
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/09/prodigies-update-i.html
When you've made yourself utterly DEPENDENT on Russia for your natural gas, how long can you maintain the fascade of INDEPENDENCE?
Probably a brisk market in solar panels for those who can afford them....
Not a lot of use in a short daylight Ukrainian winter.
when you've made yourself dependent on FREE Russian gas is more correct.
while remain openly threaten Russia.
telling will build wall against Russia and all the time funds available for arming up for killing citizens.
Russia has subsidized Ukraine over $230 B US$ equiv since Soviet defunct
Most was stolen.
West part of Ukraine has too many stupid useless idiots pollack former lands..
a lot of dead boys
What's the most endangered thing in the Ukraine? Forests.
run forest, run
How many Ukrainians used to heat their home at 24 ?? I live in another ex communist bloc country, better off than Ukraine, and still, many people don't heat or very little, especially when u live in a communist building with no insulation. The cold water is more problematic for people without a boiler. I can live in 14 degrees apt, but not take a frozen shower !
I has friend live in a 90 degree apartment . . . straight up, no sweat.
What will the final offensive of the Uki junta look like?
"The situation in Donbass is in limbo. On one hand, the signed truce has halted large-scale military operations; on the other, exchange of fire did not stop for a single day. There have even been attempts to carry out limited operations. For example, the Ukrainian command has not abandoned hope of rescuing the encircled special forces units from the Donetsk airport (so far all attempts at this have been repulsed). According to the [Ukraine] National Security Council, over the first 5 days of the armistice, the Ukraine Armed Forces (UAF) units came under fire from the Novorossiya Armed Forces (NAF) about 130 times. The NAF quote similar figures for the UAF shelling of their positions.
At the level of statements, it is already clear that leaders in Donetsk and Kiev have opposite views on the future of Donbass. Poroshenko said that the agreed “special status” for Donbass is temporary, and is not even prepared to talk about a transition to a federation-type structure in Ukraine. Yuriy Lutsenko, who is now the head of the president’s electoral bloc, has been more outspoken and insulting, sharing his plans for staging a blockade of the region. As for the DPR, the Prime Minister Alexandr Zakharchenko stated on September 9 that the truce is only an opportunity for the UAF to retreat from the rest of the territory of the DPR/LPR without further bloodshed...."
more: http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/26/on-the-eve-of-battle-for-donbass/
Yuiry Lutsenko seems to have a good sense of humour, he proposes a blockade of Donbass? What exactly are they going to blockade and stop from going there from the rest of Ukraine? With Russia's help Donbass will be getting subsidized gas and their industry and mines will be getting fired up again while the rest of Ukraine is freezing their tits off.
Agree blockade is ridiculous. This is yet another example of Kiev really trying to get the seperatists on their side. Crazy.
Gas is not that easy as pipeline goes through Kiev 'owned' territory.
They are pulling electricity lines in though from Russia.
thanks hammer - yeah, funny how the "mainstream" media doesn't understand whats goin on til after the BRICs start hittin them in the head.
Dr. - great line, great movie ... "do not FUCK WITH US!"
Russia remains timid in the face of US/EU sanctions, which only encourages the neocons
Turn off the gas to NATO members and see how long their stupid US stooge leaders stay in power.
Or at least stop accepting dollars and euros for payment. Make it rubles or gold.
I'm shocked ... SHOCKED! ... that money earmarked for gas payments has disappeared into a fucking rathole. These guys have learned from Pols in the US how the scheme works.
www.traderzoo.mobi
Half the world has been screaming at you all summer long that this would happen if you keep antagonizing Vlad. Sorry, no sympathy for you soon to be popcicle asses.
nothing against poland or the polish un alls
but they need to be crushed ground into dust
they are after all insane and are beyond psychological help.
I got to know a Pole, a guitar guy.. expert ...lives Chicago
talk long distance..he is real good guy
says most poles are stupid assholes (his words, not mine)
he avoids any dealings with them
volkodav your words are wise and solid proof enough all the reason needed why
THE POLE MUST DIE : )
Very stupid indeed.
They are about to spend $500M on upgrades to their F-16s and medium range air to ground missiles.
As if that would make any difference to the Russians.
I know a Pole too, a totally pro-Russian woman. She told me people over in Poland are just like the rest of the EU, brainwashed to death but with no real beef with Russia. Totally corrupt "elites" are the culprit there too.
Terrible suffering is coming, for some. If you have anyone in affected countries, assuming everyone at ZH has heat, it's time to invite them to spend the winter, with you, in America.
About the only way that could happen is to come in over the Mexican border.
Well, it won't be the first time of a winter without gas...Remember WWII?...
The Kiev fascist bastards are now acting like whores begging, they are begging for IMF slavery. Bombing the crap out of the people, the ethnic Russian Ukrainians was a stupid move. They committed Ukrainian national suicide by American bribe. They should have negotiated a deal with Eastern Ukraine but when your a puppet government of the USA you do as your told, idiots!
Natural gas should not be used as a political weapon - he said!
It is ok for Angela to accept this. She not gonna freeze her big butt in Berlin ... we are in Kiev!
It is only OK for us to use tanks and planes to bombard cities in our the West. The collateral damage is unfortunate but necessary, for our freedom. And we want someone else to do something about - just politically, though bombing Putin is OK by us.
It's, of course, OK for sanctions to deny Russia food to ordinary people there, and "freeze" the bank accounts and assets of those we don't like! Cut off their ability to business with others. But please, don't freeze us.
So, as America's Victoria Nuland said - F*the EU and Angela. Turn on the gas!
Who said it was a political weapon. This is a commercial contract issue.
Its simple, Kiev pays for what it has had and it can have more. If other countries are slowing down reverse flow it is either because Kiev is not paying them for that gas or that the Russians are enforcing the existing contracts that do not allow it.
Where is the problem with that? The people of Ukraine chose it.
If the Government had not been overthrown last year, with the encouragement of the EU/US, then none of this would have happened. This is a very brutal lesson on 'the grass is not always greener on the other side'. The people in Ukraine voted for this, that is what democracy is all about, good and bad.
Fuck who saw this coming?
Nobody, absolutely nobody saw this coming. *smirk*
Everyone on here for a start!
See that Robo-gripper I got in the air?
I think for Ukraine, stomping Yats ass would make beginning of warmness
"His brothers summer house"?..yeah..they sound really fuckin bad off. Some people dont have 1 house..let alone a summer house.
Another point.. at least a 'living hell' would be warm , right?
"Summer houses" in the eastern european context are a plot of land where people grew their own vegetables to supplement the usually insufficient allotments in the Soviet era. The "house" is probably about 150-200 sq ft (if you're really luxurious), not insulated for winter. It's usually just enough to have a place to rest from the hot sun and have a little sink/bathroom.
Whenever I see this creep, I just want to put my military boots on, step on a steamy pile of dog's shit and then step on his face...This genetically challenged pedophile should be locked and sealed in a glass jar and then displayed on some freak show...
RT reports a potential breakthrough in gas talks between the Ukraine, Moscow and the EU. If signed and implemented by all sides, it stands to heat Ukraine through the winter, if the winter is not a really cold one. Ukraine says it will pay for gas already used, some 5+ billion dollars, and will accept a new discount gas price that will be prepaid to Moscows gas company. Moscows side of the deal is to give a discount to Ukraine, cheaper gas than any other nation in Europe gets, and a contract to supply that is iron clad.
RT then went on to say that the deal has been this far before, but Yats and Co. then trashed it by more demands. So we need to see how things go. Does Ukraine have the 5 billion dollars to settle it's debt. Does Kiev government have the sense to carry through their side of it and accept the nice discount Moscow is giving them for prepaid gas. EU nations also warned Kiev at the talks that to steal gas meant for the EU was not aceptable by the EU, a big slap in the face to Kiev, who seem to think stealing gas is a Ukrainian national right.
Let's see in sense prevails. But Kiev is deeply split with the Oligarchs wanting to settle things down and continue to plunder what it left, and the far right who want war and to eliminate many Oligarchs at the same time.
The common people of Ukraine had every right to revolt against their government. Oligarchs have looted them and corruption is the worst inside the civilized world. But, the goons who replaced the last government are insane. The Nazi element is too large to be ignorned. This winter will be interesting and dangeous. Russia will be warm and toasty inside every home from Vladivostok to Sevastopol in Crimea. Kiev will be living on a razo edge of survival. And outside the gas issue, the entire Ukie economy, whose main market for everything wsa Russia, is totally fucked. The EU wants nothing that Ukraine makes, except their young girls for the sex trade, a sex trade managed by Israelis and Kosovo Albanians. Look into that story Israel lovers, see what your precious do to christians girls, and in alliance with Muslim Kosovar gangs.
If gas delivery agreed,,expect stealing gas to resume (increase).
unless euros finally get the message and sobered up..help enforce
Russia delivered Ukraine from Crimean Tatar slavers back in the day..
that was Tatar main trade, steal beautiful women for market
Some Tatar raids made it near the walls of Moscow! It was serious business to live on the Stepps. Ukraine was the hunting grounds for Crimean Tartars to rape, loot and steal slaves. It required a strong central state built around Moscow to finally defeat the Tartars. Their descendents still whine and cry over the defeat of their evil ancestors and their criminal Crimean Tartar semi state. Peter the Great is called "great" for a reason.
so much truth
it is still serious business to live on the Stepps
"Ukraine A History" Orest Subtelny best book on this subject for English language readers
The author is of Ukrainian heritage
JB,
Always look forward to your insights. Thanks.
Once Russia is paid for gas already delivered , what is motivation to deliver future gas when it bolsters economy in Western Ukraine, especially if delivered at a discount. In the past Timoshenko's gas company resold some of the discounted gas to Germany for a hefty profit allowing her family to live a luxurious life style in London. It would seem to Putins advantege to supply only East Ukraine where there is ongoing industrial cooperation and trade. Nothing new about young Christian peasant girls in Ukraine being seduced by Jews and in some cases Orthodox priests. It is basis for religeous antagonism within Ukraine for centuries but is now even more reprehensible on a global level of cultural value decline
"The common people of Ukraine had every right to revolt against their government. Oligarchs have looted them and corruption is the worst inside the civilized world."
The situation was exactly the same in post-Soviet Russia. Country was plundered by Oligarchs, mafia and their Western looting friends, a dire situation that only changed with Putin's rule (who nonetheless still has his fifth column in ambush). The Ukies didn't have any Putin and were stuck with the likes of the deposed president Yanukovich or Timoshenko. Ah, and the Femen harpies for progressivism icons. Real bad luck of the sort the IMF has a soft spot for.
Yes Russia has leadership since soviet defunct
http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2014/06/15-years-of-putin-rule-in-one-infograph.html
Ukraine leadership has been oligarch mafiya parasitic with outside workings
Is not $385 price Russia asked firstly?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-26/u-k-gas-reverses-gains-on-possible-ukraine-russia-gas-deal.html
caution here...consider the source of article
strange indeed.
Don' they have firewood in Ukraine. Probably not since last year when I bought firewood here in Germany the delivery driver told me the firewood came straight from Ukraine.
What is the problem really. I grew up in Germany in the 1950s, and we had warm water when we lit a wood stove. What's the problem. I can't remember one time in my childhood that I felt cold.
Except when going to the shithouse in winter which was a bucket in the firewood shed, where we went, candle holder in one hand, newspaper in the other - not to read it actually.
With minus 20 C (or minus 4 F) that was quite cold on the back side but what can you do.
If you want to be warm in January you have to take care now, not hoping for some politicians. Go out there, cut firewoold, split it as thin as possible to give it a chance to dry though that is a bit late now.
That's what I tell not only the people in Ukraine but also here in the Western countries. Go help yourself.
Firewood prices have gone up significantly in the Ukraine.
Do you think people are stupid?
He's probably not aware that many in Ukraine live in uninsulated concrete tower blocks with district boiler systems so very large numbers of homes have neither fires, boilers or even chimneys/flues.
Here is what Russia is considering as regards a economic and foreign policy going forward. In regard to the USA and dollar hegemony.
" U.S. actions in Ukraine should be classified not only as hostile with regard to Russia, but also as targeting global destabilization. The U.S. is essentially provoking an international conflict to salvage its geopolitical, financial, and economic authority. The response must be systemic and comprehensive, aimed at exposing and ending U.S. political domination, and, most importantly, at undermining U.S. military-political power based on the printing of dollars as a global currency.
The world needs a coalition of sound forces advocating stability —in essence, a global anti-war coalition with a positive plan for rearranging the international financial and economic architecture on the principles of mutual benefit, fairness, and respect for national sovereignty. "
These retards owe the Russians FIVE Bil in unpaid bills and when Lukoil protests they steal the gas that should be delivered to Western Europe...
And now that Moby look-a-like faggot PM cries and begs...
Obama shouldn't try to marry these retards to Europe he should incorporate them into the US of A...
Fully to be expected...could arrive anytime
Saakashvilli ended up with US job...I think some university
And more along that line: " the fundamental causes of the global crisis, including:
These points really are clear as can be, and cut through all the bullshit lies about Dollar hegemony and why it is backed up by the full force of the American military. Seen in this light, the desire of Saddam in Iraq to begin Oil sales in Euros, exposes the Iraq war for it really was. A dollar hegemony war of necessity!
Well put. But if Saddam failed in his attempt to break the hegamony, Russia alone cannot----maybe with China, but are they reliable or too in bed financially and dependant on the US consumer ? A self inflicted Black Swan credit freeze scenario is more likely.
BRICS will need to stick together as the USA and EU will attack them for trying to exit dollar hegemony. Dollar hegemony is serious business in Washington DC.
It is basis of trading system, credit system, energy and Empire leverage. Also Wash. serious business is military industrial sector motivated by profits as explained by former Rep.Kusinich recently, although he did not make connection with Neocons and AIPAC. Probably still has thoughts of running for Pres.
“Imagine washing your child if there’s no heating"
How laughable!
In the lovely times of pre-WWIII when Russian gas was flooding Ukraine do you know how these idiots would bring the heat down in their house when it was too warm?
Turn down the thermostat? No.... they would open the window and let the heat go in the night.
Yes Sir... Putin has been too kind for too long.
You make a really good point! The nearly free energy Russia provided to their brother Slavs in Ukraine was treated as a natural right of Kiev to get this gift from Moscow. Yes, I have been to Russia and Ukraine in the 80-90's. What you say is true. Opening the windows was their thermostat of choice. And hot water? That was used as if it never ended. Indeed, such people need to be kicked in the ass, hard! Wake up, the free energy from brother Moscow is not coming anymore.
In the Soviet model there were no thermostats. Each city had several central boilers that would come on in the fall, areas with hospitals went on line first. Apartment temps would exeed 100 F ! There simply was no alternative to opening windows.
Hmm, perhaps you could have closed off the heating vents!
No vents, they use cast iron radiators.