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FBI Blasts Apple, Google Phone Encryption: It "Allows People To Be Beyond The Law""

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By Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics

FBI James Comey Attacks Apple & Google

FBI director James Comey, who used to be the head prosecutor in NYC the most corrupt office in the system, had come out swinging at Apple and Google for developing forms of smartphone encryption so secure that law enforcement officials cannot easily gain access to information stored on the devices – even when they have valid search warrants. Of course, Mr Comey can only see the abuse of power of government as necessary and not the severe damage that has been done to the entire industry because of the abuse of the NSA and others.  He said he could not understand why companies would “market something expressly to allow people to place themselves beyond the law.” Perhaps he should not work for government and then he might get it.

Largely because of the abuse of government, which is by itself beyond the law that he cannot grasp, this is not a question of only criminals. This is a matter of personal privacy that a government if FREE – has not right to violate. This is not all about him. This is what those in government cannot see. There is a real world out here with a right to LIBERTY, FREEDOM FOR ALL, and the right to PRIVACY. It was government outlawing condoms that led the Supreme Court to draw the line and say no – there is a right to privacy. That right was established in Griswold v Connecticut. Just how does one enforce you are not using a condom? Do government agents storm into your bedroom to inspect before having sex? This is what Comey just does not understand – sorry you have no such right. Prove your cases the old fashion way – with detective work.

James Otis (1725-1783)

James Comey needs to go back to law school to study the simple fact that the American Revolution began because of this very type of abuse of the search and seizure of private communications without warrants. George III (b 1738; 1760-1820) became king in 1760. In February 1761 Parliament enacted the Writs of Assistance that were challenged in court in Boston, Massachusetts. These were writs that empowered, like the NSA today at their discretion, the kings agents to search anything they suspected. The defending lawyer James Otis (1725-1783) pronounced these writs were “the worst instrument of arbitrary power, the most destructive of English liberty, and the fundamental principles of law, that ever was found in an English law book.” Otis warned that the king placed discretion in the hands of every agent to act as he desired. Nothing has changed for Comey can do whatever he desires and it is always the burden of the citizen to still prove he has any rights whatsoever.

John Adams (1735–1826; 2nd President 1797–1801) was there in the audience at that hearing that day. Adams was so moved by the four hour speech of James Otis that he declared: “Then and there was the first scene of the first act of opposition to the arbitrary claims of Great Britain. Then and there, the child independence was born.”

I am sure the kings men also viewed their power as necessary as Comey does today. They could simply enter someone’s home and search all your papers. If you wrote anything derogatory against the king, off you went to prison. This is what inspired the American Revolution and the Fourth Amendment that there had to be a reason to search not just arbitrary desire to want to know and lets see what we can find as the NSA and FBI do today. This is the very essence of LIBERTY. You cannot pretend to be the leader of the free world with people like Comey in government.

 

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Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:02 | 5263494 ebworthen
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James Comey - the 4th Amendment and I say FUCK OFF to you and your spooks destroying what you pretend to protect.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:07 | 5263509 X.inf.capt
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these 'agency' guys remind me of pervs who break into someones house just to look into a panty drawer....

weird freaks...

bitchez!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:16 | 5263534 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Fuck the law!

Shitty laws deserve no respect.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:22 | 5263546 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

HaHa. yea. Encryption is a fucking mirage in the desert of despair regarding privacy.

Anything created with code can be undone with code. Your argument regarding the length of time required to undo the encryption is a fallacy created to mask the truth.

"FUCK" Darpanet! KILL the fucking root servers!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:40 | 5263609 Latina Lover
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USSA tech cloud companies are being displaced by foreign entities due to the NSA embedding code and hacking communications with the cooperation of domestic tech giants such as google and apple.  I call BS on this story. It is nothing more than an attempt by the feds to gve political cover to USSA tech firms caught spying on behalf of the NSA.  I would never trust google or apple encryption.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:46 | 5263623 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Lover.

TRUST NO ENTITY ON DARPANET!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:59 | 5263651 The9thDoctor
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I'm going to retitle this headline.

"The9thDoctor blasts the FBI for NarusInsight: It 'Allows agents to be beyond the Law'"

The FBI violates the 4th Amendment every millisecond, which makes their agency "beyond the law".

The FBI is another alphabet agency on the list that needs to be abolished.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:01 | 5263657 negative rates
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The who?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:05 | 5263670 Bad Attitude
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Boo hoo Mr. Comey. Don't act surprised that private enterprise has stepped up address the legitimate privacy concerns of their customers.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:12 | 5263695 mvsjcl
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This is all bullshit. It's laughable to think that any "encryption" from these net behemoths can befuddle any LEA, more so a Federal entity. Hokum for the masses, to make you think that your data is "safe." LOL!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:46 | 5263762 Yes We Can. But...
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Yeah, things were really awful when we were 'beyond the law' for the first 200 years in this country prior to the advent of cell phones and criminal gubmint spying

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:21 | 5263824 Manthong
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“Allows People To Be Beyond The Law"

 

Izzat any f’’ng  thing like “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects”?

 

You want a writ.. you will get one in spades.

 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:29 | 5263863 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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They FBI is just pissed they won't be able to spank it to live video of 13 year old girls. Now only the NSA can do that, and they're not willing to share.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:16 | 5263966 CH1
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FUCK THE FEEBS!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:33 | 5263971 Supernova Born
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How many pedofiles, murderers, etc. have WALKED because the NSA didn't want to reveal its sources and methods?

How many missing persons and children ended up dead because the NSA didn't want to reveal sources and methods?

It's about blackmail, chilling free speech and perverted peeping, it has jack shit to do with "security".

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:40 | 5264007 mjcOH1
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"FBI director James Comey, who used to be the head prosecutor in NYC the most corrupt office in the system, had come out swinging at Apple and Google for developing forms of smartphone encryption so secure that law enforcement officials cannot easily gain access to information stored on the devices – even when they have valid search warrants."

 

Sure.   The day that happens you'll see Tim Cook doing a perp walk in his pretty pink panties.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 23:17 | 5264064 wee-weed up
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This article's FBI arguement would make Goebbels very proud!

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 07:23 | 5264389 GetZeeGold
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Not above the law....just away from it.

 

 

A little thing we like to call freedom.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 09:00 | 5264486 SoilMyselfRotten
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The sad part is Comey took a stand against this crap years back as acting AG when Ashcroft was in the hospital. He was once one of the good guys, oh well.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 09:08 | 5264497 Keyser
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Fuck the FBI... They have no right to eavesdrop on every person in the US... Someone needs to remind them just who the fuck pays their salaries... 

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 09:35 | 5264534 overmedicatedun...
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Remember this is the FBI, that never found anyone in .gov or wall street or elsewhere worthy of investigation while trillions of dollars were lost in 2008 and massive money movements could not be traced and were done by unk entities ...that FBI.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 11:38 | 5264761 TheAnalOG
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We used to listen to many public services including police, fire and ambulance on VHF and UHF bands on police scanners.  Now they have moved to encrypted P25 digital transmissions.  This makes we mad and disappointed.  But they do not realize encryption is a double-edged sword and we have it to use too.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 09:35 | 5264532 Abaco
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He was never one of the good guys.  He was just a toady of perpetual opposition.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 23:16 | 5264066 Thanatos
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Just wondering...

Who believes that Google and Apple suddenly got a conscience and autonomously decided to block out the wholesale data scarfing with unbreakable encryption?

Seems like a bit of a stretch.

Sad that they didn't get the message on this. Most of us on here did get the message at some point (many in childhood).

Once you get caught telling a lie (especially a really damaging one)... Nobody is gonna believe you for a long time...

 

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 11:23 | 5264737 Jlasoon
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Ummm the new iPhone 6 and 6+ has yet to be approved for sale in China. There are ramifications to cozying up with the evil empire in DC. Just saying. 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:18 | 5263967 Supernova Born
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delete

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:23 | 5263978 zhandax
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Sometimes I wonder, when the original Tyler leaves on Friday, does he tell the staff, "Don't forget to feed the animals?"

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:33 | 5263995 FeralSerf
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For about the first 150 years the country somehow managed to survive without the FBI. Maybe we could see it that would work again?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:07 | 5263673 LetThemEatRand
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"The who?"

I woke up in a Soho doorway, a policeman knew my name.  He said,"You can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away." I staggered back to the underground and the breeze blew back my hair. I remember throwing punches around and preaching from my chair.

And the updated version is preaching that anyone who believes the NSA can't hack into the new iPhone is an iDiot.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 23:33 | 5264085 Thanatos
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All I can say to that is:

The drinks flow
People forget
That big wheel spins, the hair thins
People forget
Forget they're hiding
The news slows
People forget
The shares crash, hopes are dashed
People forget
Forget they're hiding.

Behind an eminence front
Eminence front - it's a put on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QaVzv5aR6U

Freaking Excellent.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 04:24 | 5264285 StychoKiller
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Just another tricky day for you!

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 04:56 | 5264306 Curiously_Crazy
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Yeah but lets face it. In this topsy turvy world living life backwards would actually make more sense!

oops - just wrote the above thinking Thanatos as time (who lives life backwards) but of course that's Chronos. Thanatos is still pretty cool though ;)

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:08 | 5263677 Reaper
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Worse is that the gullible sheeple on juries believe whatever the FBI says it found. You can't trust them. No access is our only protection. Watch this to see why no one should trust the FBI. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jgDsbjAYXcQ

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:32 | 5263870 EscapingProgress
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"Allows People To Be Beyond The Law"

Oh, you mean like politicians?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:20 | 5263702 edotabin
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Truth is there is probably no device more NOT secure than a freaking cell phone. FULL of holes unless you pay big $$ for the hardened phones and even then ......... things have ot be done at the hardware level. Software is simply not sufficient.  Many people root and then change the kernel on their droid phones.  It just makes it a slight touch harder. Unless you have control over both hard/software you are doing little. And once again, even then.........

The second you connect any device, they can see and hear E-VE-RY-THING. The absolute end. To even try to think differently is folly.

 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:53 | 5263777 WhackoWarner
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"Truth is there is probably no device more NOT secure than a freaking cell phone."

YEAH?   What about your Smart Meter?  With the Zigbee chip?  That likely will be engineered to watch every breath you take and then someone will find a way to charge you for it?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:07 | 5263790 edotabin
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Figure of speech.  If it is connected it is accessible/hackable.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:40 | 5264008 SilverIsKing
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I think this is all a charade. All of the actors are playing their parts.

No reason to believe AAPL or GOOG have actually done anything differently except say they did. Is there any proof of what they have done and have not given the code to the Feds or are we just supposed to take their word for it?

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 01:45 | 5264223 angel_of_joy
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So let's see if I got this straight:the guys in charge of upholding the law are pissed because they MIGHT have some trouble in breaking the law while spying on you, a perfectly innocent citizen... We really live in shitty times.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 07:27 | 5264393 GetZeeGold
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Just understand the new NSA digs have to be water cooled...and they're having problems with it.

 

Understand what you're up against.....can't hack an iPhone?

 

Calling BS right here.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 09:17 | 5264510 escapeefromOZ
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You touched on a sore point . If you read the recent history of cryptography , every time some person invented a new version of cryptography  It would have firstly to be approved by the government before release to the public . Often , the government would demand change to make it easier to spy agency do decript the data . 

All went along along those lines until the government developed the current encription system now used in BITCOIN. Draw your own conclusions

 

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 05:05 | 5264310 Curiously_Crazy
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"...Many people root and then change the kernel on their droid phones"

Was the first thing I did when I was finally forced to get a bloody smartphone after my ol 7 year old phone finally died (well, it was comprised of several other old phones - it was grandpas axe in other words).

Also installed a firewall on it to block *all* incoming and outgoing without my permission. Needless to say it's a royal pain in the arse sometimes (to recieve an MMS I need to first enable data and then allow the message to come through) but fuck the cunts. People think I'm crazy and I often get "why are you making your life so much more difficult than it has to be"... there is no way to answer that without sounding like someone off doomsday preppers heh.

 

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 08:36 | 5264457 sleigher
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@LatinLover

Exactly what I was going to say.  This is just misdirection to make people think they are safe.  I would really like to know what they would say about black phone.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:21 | 5263551 Ginsengbull
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Eric Holder thinks they are more like suggestions.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:09 | 5263680 NoDebt
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No, he thinks they are laws for everyone else but the president, himself and their cronies.

We are WAY past "equal protection of the law".  We're as corrupt as any crumbling empire ever was.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 23:19 | 5264069 Ginsengbull
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Selective enforcement.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 07:30 | 5264395 GetZeeGold
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Eric Holder thought brain washing would work....it did.....on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsP5N9Ya6zo

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:36 | 5264001 lasvegaspersona
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...and the laws are almost all shitty...

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:17 | 5263535 kaiserhoff
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Every article about government should include a brief mention of total compensation for the tyrants/kleptocrats in question.

An educated guess for the FBI would be ~ &175,000... for rent-a-cops.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:18 | 5263543 knukles
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But they deserve what they're paid.  They've got to ensure that we understand there's nothing wrong.
To wit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCn10YWsY1Q

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:22 | 5263556 kaiserhoff
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Our tax dollars at work.

  What a moron.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:26 | 5263570 knukles
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Him or his boss?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:38 | 5263598 kaiserhoff
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All of the above.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:38 | 5263604 sgt_doom
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James Comey?  Oh, you mean this James Comey!

 

The Man Who Brought Down Martha Stewart

 

Rest easy, Amerika, the individual responsible for bringing down that notorious super-criminal of a few years back, Martha Stewart, is the top cop in the nation, the FBI director, James Comey.

 

Comey has an illustrious background:  graduate of the University of Chicago Law School, clerked for Bush family member, John Walker, Jr., and would later be employed with the law firm of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher (the firm involved with Iran/Contra, Bush v. Gore, Citizens United v. Federal Elections Commission, plus litigated in favor of American multinationals in Columbia in their hiring of assassins to murder union organizers there, the firm presently represents Chris Christie in Bridgegate), and during his stint with the Bush administration Comey supported torture, of course.

 

Later he was chief counsel at Lockheed Martin, then would move on to work for the largest hedge fund in existence, while serving on the board of directors at both HSBC Holdings, that major drug money launderer, and far worse than that, the board of the National Chamber Litigation Center, the legal arm of the US Chamber of Commerce, and a hotbed of chronic litigation.

 

If this is our top cop, exactly who is policing him?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:56 | 5263649 JLee2027
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Martha was given a plea deal with no jail, which she rejected and went to trial.  She was convicted by a jury, not Comey.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:19 | 5263713 XitSam
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Martha was convicted of lying to a federal agent, to wit, the FBI, during interviews (ie. interrogation) regarding insider trading. She was never convicted of insider trading.

Never speak to law enforcement without a lawyer.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:54 | 5263776 Yes We Can. But...
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Never speak to law enforcement   .

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 07:58 | 5264410 GetZeeGold
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Learn it....love it.....live it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au4_EdPwTkE

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:23 | 5263720 JimS
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True, but..... she did nothing different than what GS, JP Morgue, and all their Federal Reserve butt-buddies have been doing for the last 6 years+. So, are you defending them by their omission in your pathetic diatribe?

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 01:38 | 5264220 JLee2027
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Absolutely, my point was it wasn't Comey that brought her down. I think everyone missed that.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 02:56 | 5264265 Socratic Dog
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Bullshit.  If he was the DA, he decided to charge her. Him, no one else.

I sleep safe at night, now I know his priorities.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 16:15 | 5265269 sgt_doom
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Yo, yo, moron!

Comey was the chief federal prosecutor on the case at the DOJ at that time, douchetard!

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 04:49 | 5264296 trader1
Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:10 | 5263513 TeamDepends
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Speaking of beyond the law, in the official Sandy Hook report the FBI states the number of fatalities was "0".

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:35 | 5263593 buzzardsluck
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I love the snopes.com rebuttal to this, haha

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:03 | 5263659 TeamDepends
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Ah yes, snopes. Aren't they a progressive couple from the Bay Area?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:13 | 5263689 nmewn
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Yes, it/they are. Making Goebbels proud one useful idiot at a time.

For the more high brow, seductive progressive fact checking propaganda I always turn to the Poynter Institute though ;-)

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:03 | 5263662 The9thDoctor
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Snopes is still around? What a useless site. The Mikkelsons act like they control reality, when they clearly don't.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:26 | 5263855 Ralph Spoilsport
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The Mikkelsons have been acting like that since before the days of web pages. They moderated alt.urban.legends on IRC for years and then moved their act to the internet right after NetScape came out.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:44 | 5263895 palmereldritch
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Interesting article here about the Mikkelsons with (IMO) a rather indicting and biased confession [emphasis mine]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/technology/05snopes.html

The couple say they receive grateful messages from teachers regularly, and an award from a media literacy association sits atop the TV set in Mr. Mikkelson’s home office.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:35 | 5263591 world_debt_slave
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yep, but the elite could care less what we think.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:53 | 5263633 JLee2027
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We should somehow encode/scramble license plates as well. Maybe turn them into some kind of hologram. Information on the car and owner available only when a search warrant is issued. Otherwise it is not the police's business who is driving where about town. That whole thing has turned into a revenue generator for the state.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:53 | 5263922 Otto Zitte
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Its already a citation.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 00:30 | 5264143 mc225
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we shouldn't even need licenses.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 02:26 | 5264244 SAT 800
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"beyond the law"---you mean like you and the SS, er. FBI, and Congress and the President? Gee, that sounds pretty bad, alright.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 09:34 | 5264531 Grimaldus
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James Comey, the face of progressive tyranny, the face of death for citizens.

Power kills folks and progressive seek more and more government power. You do the math.

Anyways, what it boils down to is that government is the biggest murderer of all time.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

Progressives sit on top of the biggest throne of corpses. How can anyone cheer for that? Oh but you know what the progressives will say---"At this point, what difference does it make?"

 

Grimaldus

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:03 | 5263496 dbTX
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We have seen what it takes to get a valid search warrant. 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:54 | 5263639 JLee2027
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No more secret court proceedings - of any kind - as well.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:50 | 5263918 Acidtest Dummy
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No secret courts, secret laws arn't valid, a right to know what information the government is collecting about us and what use that information is put to. And prosecute America's war criminals!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:04 | 5263498 Otto Zitte
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The FBI are all traitors.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:05 | 5263500 quasimodo
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ASSHOLE

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:22 | 5263548 JustObserving
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The asshole is paying a game of charades.  Apple works closely with the NSA to ensure they can spy on everyone.  Helps to pretend that they are defying the NSA/FBI - it makes Apple cool even with bendable phones.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:28 | 5263574 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Observing.

I heard a "NEWS" story last week hyping the latest OS. Most dipshit Americans haven't a clue what an OS is but the MSM want you to "HAVE THE LATEST" so your USSA-NSA can fully utilize "YOU"!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:04 | 5263669 ebear
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Listen.

Who's using who?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqTF3BoVYis

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:14 | 5263696 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

Keep it up "BEAR" and I'll put you on my "IGNORE" list!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:31 | 5263582 Flagit
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That was my guess. A form of controlled opposition.

If they act all pissy about it, it could send the message that your data is "in the clear".

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:38 | 5263603 indygo55
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"Apple works closely with the NSA"

Couldn't agree more. I want to see an independent programmer say "Ah HA! Here is the way it works and YES it is encrypted". Or something to that effect. Show me the proof that the Apple phone is truely safe and this is not a charade. These fucking goverment agents will go to ANY length to fool the people to their end. 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:20 | 5263717 ForTheWorld
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Unless someone gets their hands on the full code base for iOS in its unadulterated form (rather difficult to say the least), you'll never be able to have someone verify it.

You'll just have to trust them that they're doing the right thing.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:07 | 5263502 stinkhammer
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beyond the law, just like you

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:05 | 5263503 One And Only
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I don't understand why people like this don't relocate themselves to North Korea. Can anyone explain why they don't?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:06 | 5263508 Bastiat
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They wouldn't enjoy being on the wrong end of the stick.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:06 | 5263504 Ralph Spoilsport
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Bullshit, Apple is trying to protect customers from the FBI/NSA/DEA/DIA/BATF.......

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:11 | 5263519 Skateboarder
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dafuq planet you from?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:19 | 5263545 Bangin7GramRocks
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You people don't actually believe that these phones can't be hacked by the NSA do you? Only a silly bastard would think that a $700 mass market device would be safe from those vampires. 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:40 | 5263608 Whoa Dammit
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Precisely. No one who buys these phones will ever know if the encryption really works or not. But it's a great marketing ploy.

 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:24 | 5263553 Ralph Spoilsport
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The FBI guy is saying Apple is marketing "something expressly to allow people to place themselves beyond the law". The other way to look at it is that Apple is protecting users from FBI intrusion. They're also letting themselves off the hook by saying they can't give the feds anything if they request info because they can't decrypt it themselves. You would think people would applaud anything that pisses off the FBI this much.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:38 | 5263606 Skateboarder
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I get what you are saying - the rationale is sensical. However, there is nothing to applaud in this case. The damn thing still spies on you in a myriad of ways.

How about that popo turning off your camera feature, for one.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:46 | 5263622 Ralph Spoilsport
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There's a lot of other reasons to avoid iPhones. I have a BB Z10 which is an improvement but still not totally secure because nothing really is.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:03 | 5263664 negative rates
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Until this one of course.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:07 | 5263674 umdesch4
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I often wonder about this. I have a BB Q10 myself, and I sometimes wonder if I'm targetted more agressively just because of that. Clearly, owning one of these phones means that you're using them for business, and you probably have more serious valuable information on it. In fact I do. Since the NSA is obviously about stealing valuable data and passing it on to their corporate masters, and nothing whatsoever about catching terrorists, I'm sure they'd love to get their flithy criminal hands on some of the sensitive corporate info I carry around with me.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:00 | 5263937 boodles
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Can we go back to paper documents in the company safe? 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:47 | 5263624 Parrotile
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It used to be a case of "We the People" deciding what "The Law" was, and meant, to the individual.

Now - the "Laws" we are expected to "obey" on pain of fine, imprisonment, or sometimes death (plenty of trigger-happy Aussie cops these days), are decided without any input from "The People" - even regressive legislation that WILL certainly impede public accountability - no referenda, no Public oversight, just the decisions of a self-appointed "elite", behind closed doors.

End result - there WILL be Civil "disobedience" (we are obviously expected to be "obedient" little civilians), along the lines of Civil War. and We the People will certainly win.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:08 | 5263510 Toyota echo
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This is a feel good story ,but if you think the FBI can't see or hear what you say your smoking the good stuff. Money and Corruption equals Stealth.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:16 | 5263533 CrazyCatLady
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So you think this story is to delude iphone users into thinking they are safe?  Well, they will probably believe it lol

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:21 | 5263552 knukles
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If it's connected to the ether-space the ubiquitous "them" can read, listen, manage, rewrite, redact, implant and incriminate without your knowledge or approval.
Period.
More distraction ....

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 23:09 | 5264058 jvetter713
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You really think iGadget sheep even think about that?

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:52 | 5263774 SIOP
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From what I remember, most/all encryption algorithms have "backdoors" that enable easy decryption. These were asked for and provided to the various intelligence communities. Also, even if that's not true in this case (which I seriously doubt), the data can be decrypted a LOT faster then they are saying.

Hell, even Apple has patents on how to get a persons "private key", thus enabling instant decryption.

Some have tried to not comply with the encryption backdoor requests from the intelligence communities but eventually had to shut down their businesses.

Others did shut down but now they are back,  dont know how they did it.

 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:09 | 5263514 BadDog
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This is exactly the reason that I will not invest in any American tech company.  The rest of the world has already started shunning our products and I expect it will only accelerate in the future.  Germany is getting a bad case of NSA indigestion already.  Apple, Microsoft, IBM and the rest of you, get ready to see your international sales to plummet if you don't stand up for individual privacy rights.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:11 | 5263517 geekz_rule
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me think thou dost protest too much.

this is absolute BS. coordinated campaign to bullshit the people. nothing has changed, they absolutely have the same, if not more, access. all PR

why? becasue Perception is a commodity. period.

P < P + I

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:22 | 5263557 knukles
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Perceptions Management is an Art and Industry

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 02:32 | 5264247 SAT 800
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Our most important product is your opinion; we manufacture it for you.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:04 | 5263665 cynicalskeptic
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Wanna bet the NSA could care less because they have a back door or can already decrypt the new 'protection'?

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 09:02 | 5264489 trulz4lulz
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Perception is 9/10th reality. PGP Encryption is STILL one of the best encryption method around and unseen.is is the only networking site I know of that uses it. As far as phones go, they should al be PGP encrypted for Text, Pictures and Documents. Email should also always have PGP Encryption, but they dont, this is a sure bet that they are looking at your stuff.

 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:12 | 5263518 Goldilocks
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Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond (1975)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlc3ZMv-Sw (10:27)

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:13 | 5263520 Gunga
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We will only enjoy, and pass on to our children, the rights we are willing to fight for.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:14 | 5263523 roadhazard
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Fuck'm

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:15 | 5263525 Marco
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What a pussy, he doesn't dare to badmouth James Madison so he goes after some easier targets.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:14 | 5263526 nowhereman
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America should be embarassed, I know that I surely am embarassed for you.                

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 05:52 | 5264332 Supernova Born
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You need not give a single fuck about our "embarrassment".

The loss of market share of US tech firms is a FAR better "check and balance" than our Constitution or any individual's conscience.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:16 | 5263528 css1971
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Bollocks it does and bollocks they can't get in.

He's just providing suppressing fire for these US corporations. He wants you happily using a Google or Apple phone rather than an international competitior who have implemented something they can't get into.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:29 | 5263635 Parrotile
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With China and Russia working to delvelop their own "home-grown" OS's, which WILL be designed from the outset to be fully operable on mobile systems, the days of the "Big Three" - Apple OS / Microsoft / Android (Google) may be numbered, especially if there are a few more cases of "US Government intrusion".

Of course, these home-grown OS's will no doubt have their own Chinese / Russian Government access ports, so it depends on who you prefer to have snooping into your mobile device (and maybe implanting suitably incriminating data, if you have "attracted Their attention for the wrong reasons!!")

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 21:17 | 5263817 edotabin
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and if they start gaining in popularity, they may hack the heck out of them so as to discredit.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:16 | 5263531 Stumpy4516
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I do not believe this.  It is more likely that the NSA has been given back doors to all these phones and this "protest" statement is just an attempt to be deceptive.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:24 | 5263563 knukles
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Everything made within the past decade (if not more) has back doors.  Lots and lots of back doors.
To assume otherwise is foolish speculation, at best.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:11 | 5263687 The9thDoctor
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Everything since the advent of the microprocessor in the 1970s has had a backdoor in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inslaw

"The INSLAW Affair"
http://youtu.be/Y41J-T0N-C0

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:34 | 5263590 Marco
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I doubt it. I also doubt it's necessary for the NSA, they have their own exploit library and it wouldn't surprise me if they have some undercover operatives simply putting exploitable bugs in the software ... so much easier than relying on a massive conspiracy.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:16 | 5263532 heywood2
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Hmmm.... if law enforcement and intelligence agencies hadn't grossly aboused their powers, maybe there wouldn't be demand for such a feature. Now there's a crazy thought.

 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:17 | 5263537 Ginsengbull
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If you really want to communicate without being recorded, remember, you have the right to remain silent.

 

All other forms of communication can be retrieved, copied, edited, and adulterated.

 

I don't care what kind of phone you use, if it transmits through the air waves, anybody can pick up the signal.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:56 | 5263644 Parrotile
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Homing pigeon . . . .

The original Pigeon Post. Amazing how much you can put on a 32G microSD card these days . . . . . .

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:18 | 5263540 divedivedive
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Sorry - call me a skeptic - I'm sure it was all co-developed.

Personally I use an old LG flip phone (prepaid service) which cost me about $3 on ebay. Not trying to hide anything from anybody but it is all I need - and often when people I'm with can't get a decent connection, my phone works just fine.

 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:24 | 5263562 hairball48
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I have an old LG Revere. Had it since 2008. Outside display broke when I pried it from under truck seat; I can't screen calls now :(

Other than that it's bombproof. I'll get the latest version of the same phone on the Verizon Edge plan for about $7-8 a month. Fuck a smart phone. I barely use a phone except for work and rarely text.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:19 | 5263542 hairball48
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I've said it many times in recent years--I'm glad I'm on the way out of this life.

Freedom in today's "Amerika" is nothing remotely like the  "America" I grew in during the 50-60s.

Fuck that asshole Comey

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:21 | 5263554 q99x2
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You are welcome on Q99X2 when you go.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:18 | 5263544 q99x2
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The FBI has no regard for the law so why should they have anything to say about it. Globalist Nazi agencies are not above corporations M'Fers.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:20 | 5263547 Bunga Bunga
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You can't disinvent cryptography. Even if they can force Google or Apple not to support privacy tools, they can never prevent people from implementing cryptography from textbooks. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:23 | 5263559 user2011
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FBI is no longer the one who protect us. They are the one who entrap us.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 20:42 | 5263754 The9thDoctor
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no longer? They never did protect "us".

This agency should have been abolished way back when prohibition was constitutionally repealed, and the National Firearms Act should have been repealed along with it.

Nowadays to justify their budget, they create fake terror suspects by entrapping low IQ morons to admit to horrible things, and they set them up. Then they circle jerk and applaud eachother for a job well done.
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/

If a real terrorist event actually happened, these agents would wet their drawers and call in sick from work. Then the few that do show up after a trip to dunkin donuts would order a media blackout, go into damage control, and engage in myriad coverups.

These agents would be total failures in the business world, that's why they got their criminal justice degrees and leach off of society.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:23 | 5263561 Spungo
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Someone should hack his phone and post all of his text messages on twitter

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:23 | 5263564 Catullus
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My builder marketed me walls to my house so that people can't see in. I can't be watched at all times by law enforcement. It's putting me beyond the arms of the law!

I guess not being able to read every single piece of electronic mail since I got my email address 15 years ago is somehow outrageous. A cop pulled me over for a taillight being out, of course he access to all of this stuff.

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 03:58 | 5264280 tvdog
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Some people on ZH clearly hold hostile anti-government views that DHS has determined to be associated with terrorism. They should all be forced to post using their real names and addresses so that law enforcement can follow their activities. Of course, access to the cell phones of such people is a given.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:25 | 5263568 Umh
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The problem is that the law seems to think it is beyond the LAW.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:27 | 5263571 Fuku Ben
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Please stop giving SWAT teams ideas about no knock condom check raids

They can't even seem to remember you have the right to film them in public without claiming you are holding a gun and shooting you

What do you think will happen when you climb off your woman and turn around to face them fully loaded? I can just see these idiots now. GUN! GUN! followed by a 100 rounds of automatic weapons fire killing you, your woman, your dog, cat, kids in the adjoining rooms and the neighbors next door.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:27 | 5263572 nasa
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Comey has climbed to the top of heap as public enemy number 1.  Fuck this asshole... 

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:28 | 5263573 limacon
Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:28 | 5263576 Fiat Envy
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I say it is BS.  The companies turned over back doors years ago but they are all carrying on this dog and pony show so the sheeple think the encryption on their phones actually works.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:38 | 5263602 Peter Pan
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Sorry Fiat Envy just saw your comment after I posted almost identical post. I agree with you 100%.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 22:56 | 5264027 Fiat Envy
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Dont be sorry for speaking the truth.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:31 | 5263584 hotrod
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For decades and decades I had a home dial up phone.  Govt did not complain then about not be able to ease drop on my conversations and if they did by wire tapping that was ILLEGAL without some court warrant.

So Comey ease up, you have no right to listen to my conversations.  Hope you have to tear down your mystery towers now.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 19:35 | 5263594 Peter Pan
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Have Apple ad Google really developed such difficult to break encryption codes or is that what the FBI wants us to think?

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