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This Riot Is Not In Ferguson, It Is In Hong Kong
Update: the Occupy Central campaign has officially begun, which likely means even more violent reprisals by the local police:
Occupy Central will begin with govt HQ. Demand 1: Beijing takes back ruling on voting restrictions 2: Restart electoral reform procedure.
— Alan Wong (@byAlanWong) September 27, 2014
It's official: Occupy Central now. pic.twitter.com/LT4TGDg86R
— Alan Wong (@byAlanWong) September 27, 2014
No, this is not Ferguson: it is, according to many, the world's most capitalist city, Hong Kong, where over the past few hours, around 50,000 students are said to have massed on late Saturday, demanding more democracy, as tensions grew over Beijing's decision to rule out free elections in the former British colony.
Admiralty, the heart of Hong Kong's government, is officially occupied. pic.twitter.com/GqVczZUPwF
— Alan Wong (@byAlanWong) September 27, 2014


According to Reuters, the crowds swelled less than 24 hours after riot police used pepper spray to disperse protesters around government headquarters, arresting more than 60 people opposed to the Chinese government's tightening grip on the city. The unrest underscores the obstacles China faces in Hong Kong as a restive younger generation challenges its influence over the densely-populated financial hub.
More:
Tempers flared and there were scenes of chaos before dawn on Saturday when protesters used umbrellas to shield themselves from the pepper spray. Those who got hit used water to rinse their eyes. "I paid my highest respect to every soldier who defends till the last moment... Civil disobedience - it continues to happen," said student leader Lester Shum on his Facebook page.
Hong Kong's Education Bureau appealed to parents and teachers on Saturday not to allow underage children and students to take part in unlawful activities to avoid risking their safety.
Leaders of the local Occupy movement arrived to show their support for the protests. They plan to blockade the financial district on Oct. 1, a holiday, hoping it will escalate into one of most disruptive protests in Hong Kong for decades.
The latest clashes were the most heated in a series of anti-Beijing protests. Police arrested six people overnight, including teenage student leader Joshua Wong, who was dragged away by police, kicking, screaming and bleeding from his arm, after he called on the protesters to charge the government premises.
"Hong Kong's future belongs to you, you and you," Wong, a thin 17-year-old with dark-rimmed glasses and bowl-cut hair, told cheering supporters before he was taken away.
One thing is certain: the youth protest movement can hardly be any more ineffectual than America's own OccupyWallStreet farce.
One protester said she had joined the protests to secure a better future for her five-year-old son, who was by her side wearing swimming goggles to protect him if the police fired more pepper spray.
"If we don't stand up, we will be worried about his future," said the 33-year-old woman named Li. "He can't choose his own future."
The demonstrators broke through a cordon late on Friday and scaled perimeter fences to invade the city's main government compound in the culmination of a week-long rally to demand free elections. The Hospital Authority said 34 people had been treated in hospital by Saturday evening as a result of the clashes.
The protesters were removed one by one on Saturday afternoon, some of them carried away.
"The police have used disproportionate force to stop the legitimate actions of the students and that should be condemned," said Benny Tai, one of the three main organizers of the pro-democracy Occupy Central movement.
Hong Kong returned from British to Chinese rule in 1997 under a formula known as "one country, two systems", with a high degree of autonomy and freedoms not enjoyed in mainland China. Universal suffrage was set as an eventual goal. But Beijing last month rejected demands for people to freely choose the city's next leader in 2017, prompting threats from activists to shut down the Central financial district in a so-called Occupy Central campaign. China wants to limit elections to a handful of candidates loyal to Beijing.
Which, maybe just maybe, could explain our post from May showing "Stunning Images Of Chinese Riot Police Training For A "Working Class Insurrection." Here is a sampling, via Ifeng.com, captions google translated:
May 11, heavy rain, the Shenzhen Municipal Public Security Bureau
carried out emergency disposal operations training activities.
Participating in the training team for a variety of different
emergencies riot synthesis disposal training.
"Demonstrators" prepare to impact SWAT.
"Demonstrators" armed with sticks toward the SWAT
"Demonstrators" conflict with the SWAT occur.
"Demonstrators" ignite gasoline SWAT throwing bottles.
Special police armed with riot shields are ready, surrounded by "demonstrators."
SWAT are quick to reach "emergency scene."
"Demonstrators" rushed SWAT.

SWAT are quick to reach "emergency scene."
Shenzhen police using ground and air linkage way to quickly reach "emergency scene."
More "thugs" armed with machetes out of the bus.
"Demonstrators" ignite gasoline bottles toward the bus.
SWAT team members quickly surrounded the bus.
Emergency mobile teams to participate in emergency disposal operations team training sudden rain rushed to the scene
Emergency mobile teams to participate in emergency disposal operations training team.
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The world is hemorrhaging from centralization. We will witness some incredible moments in history. I don't necessarily believe we will end in a post apocalyptic shithole but it will be bad before it gets better. Nature seeks balance.
Mob Rule!
RIps
This is the USSA pivot to Asia, sending NGO color groups to attack China. The CIA are experts at sowing division between societal groups. If there are no significant differences, the CIA will create them, by propping up horrid regimes, and also funding the opposition.
After invading over 30 countries in the last 50 years, do you REALLY think the USSA gives a rats ass for human rights?
I find your take interesting. USA is stupider than I thought if they are trying to foment political unrest in China. If true, I would call it suicidally stupid, considering how few allies the US has, how many China has, and that China essentially owns the US in the same way a bank owns a homedebtor's dwelling... well I guess Barky is richer than I am so he must be smarter than I am too.
Best way to bring down a Centralized Govt is to starve them from taxation revenue...Can't arrest 1oo million American students.
Definitely a "V" moment without the large bang.
China's new gold exchange Yuan gong live in the Shanghai FTZ gets the same response that Iraq, Libya and Syria got.
Wong does not make right
slaves without guns remain slaves always.
No, but you can kill them. Scabs are standing by to clean up and take their places.
If you owe the bank $1 and cannot pay it back, you have a problem. If you owe the bank $1trillion and cannot pay it back, the bank has a problem. China has the problem with loaning the US too much money.
Renfield, for some, the best way to guarantee the USSA security is to control potential opposition such as the chinese. Look up the wolfowitz doctrine.
You Pos. No one gives a shit about US or 'Wofowitz doctrine'. More hubris from agenda western NWO supporter. This protest has nothing to do with you and your fantasies. Butt out.
What do you think the Tian An Men Square Riots were about; and who do you think supported them?
I recall seeing several photos of Asian Masons carrying minature "Statues of Liberty" around on News Sites during those Riots. 3rd Parties and Witnesses (foreign dignitaries there stated that) there were no "mass murders of thousands of innocents". Unnecessary Deaths? Yes. Mass arrests? yes. (SIDEBAR REMINDER: Most Nations do have their own set of Justifiable Homicide Rules for Law Enforcement/Civil Defense)
Any Dumbass willing to step in the midst of a Tank Column can EASILY BE READ as a Decoy for a Terror RPG Attack on the Column. The F'tards have confused Anarchy and Ochlocracy with "Democracy".
Allegedly, the RiotMongers wouldn't ante up their demands on paper (and thus so rushed by the Riot Police after the deadline), so it's safe to presume that ALL BONA FIDE Political Reformers were trapped in the Riots.
Basicaly, they're Fifth Column Ops via the Freemasons (whom, in their own History Channel Special, claimed to plan the spread of their form of "Democracy" to the World), the Catholic/Christian Churches, and the NWO Capitalists (taking over CHN via HKG, TWN, and expats in SGP, CAN, and the good ole' USA's Silicon Valley/MIT).
Sociopaths All...
They're a bit demure in JPN; but once one is able to properly identify them, it's pretty much boiled down to those groups who wish to Proselytize, Profiteer, and Exploit/Control comprising the Bulk of the Five-Eyed PivotMongers.
double post
Indeed. The name of the protest says much really ("Occupy Central", Soros' funded "Occupy Wall Street" ring a bell?). Besides whenever you have swells of students and younger people "protesting", you can be sure they have been paid or manipulated to go funder's bidding. What does following "revolutions" all have in common: Serbia (Bulldozer Revolution of 2000), Georgia (Rose Revolution 2003), Ukraine (Orange Revolution 2004), Lebanon (Cedar Revolution), Kyrgyzstan (Tulip Revolution 2005), Tunisia (Jasmine Revolution), etc.? Answer: organized youth who were trained, paid and funded by Western intel and NGOs like Soros Foundation, National Endowment for Democracy, USAID, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, Freedom House, etc.
http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1813/
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Has there been a 'yellow revolution' yet? I'm losing track...Ferguson? Is yellow the new black? I'm confused...
What's Ferguson
There goes the 'warm fuzzy' image China has been so carefully cultivating.
Chinese Communist Commissars or Wall Street hedge fund billionaires, no difference, all enemies of civil liberties.
Excellent use of a conjunction junction
What's your function?
So much for HK replacing Switzerland as a 'Safe Offshore Haven." I was worried this might happen when the educated Yutes there got prices out of the housing market by Loot flooding across the border from the Mainland. So you read about them catching corrupt gubmint officals who buy 20-30 Million Dollar apartments on an official salary of $600/month.
If the protests gets leg in the Mainland disenchanted Yutes, we're gonna see lots of historic events.
Jim Rogers was wise moving to Singapore rather then HK. Interestingly HK and Switzerland are at polar ends of the politcal spectrum; in Switzerland, one man one vote, whereas in HK no man has a say in who or what leads him.
The two examples are not comparable. Ferguson was about using the shooting of yet another black thug to loot and kill. Hong Kong is about civil liberties, not looting. Nothing could demonstrate better the difference between blacks and asians than this.
>> to loot and kill.
What a stupid fuck. Ferguson was about people taking back their neighborhoods from the abuse of police. You fucking sick bastards make we want to puke.
People well-off in their little bubbles do not comprehend how close they are to the streets themselves. Fucking looting and killing - that's all they'll see as long as the status quo remains in enabling them to continue to live their lifestyle. The only way these people will change is when the tanks roll down their own streets,
Great hero you got there.
A big thug who attacked a cop who was trying to arrest him for a strongarm robbery of a convenience store.
>> trying to arrest him for a strongarm robbery
Don't let facts get in they way of your bigotry.
There's no arguing with stupidity. They got the guy on tape taking a box of cigars and roughing up the owner. But a slob like you think he's entitled - right?
Too bad. Many thought Xi would be different.
I sorta like the idea of a post apocalyptic shithole personally.
Sum ting wong?
Ho Lee Fuk! That crowd is huge!!!!!
Lots of people in South America.
(Right, CNN?)
Oh, that was really bad. Feel free to remind them for years to come.
Uh ... Don Lemon would like to have a word with you.
"One thing is certain: the youth protest movement can hardly be any more ineffectual than America's own OccupyWallStreet farce."
What must it be like to live in a country where everyone is mostly of the same race and ethnicity like exists in Hong Kong and China? At least they don't have to deal with the never ending issue of race and ethnicity that people living in a multi-racial and multi-ethnic country like the USA have to face on a daily basis?
Yeah; its all just cookies and ice cream in the land of the free
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2014/09/black-terrorism-in-...
<<What must it be like to live in a country where everyone is mostly of the same race and ethnicity like exists in Hong Kong and China? At least they don't have to deal with the never ending issue of race and ethnicity that people living in a multi-racial and multi-ethnic country like the USA have to face on a daily basis?>>
The US is culturally destabilised. This is what happens when the government imports wholesale a bunch of unassimilating and violent undesirables (or allows them to import themselves) and calls that "immigration".
Immigration is a PROCESS, run by the government (not its potential immigrants, who would normally have NO standing), which largely avoids the very effect you describe.
What is going on now is not immigration. It has no process, and prosecutes any attempts to enforce one. This is not immigration, it is population destabilisation, and it is the reason that no matter how organised you are and no matter your ' vote turn-out' efforts, somehow you can't seem to vote the criminals out of your government. It's also why you seem not to find public mention of God, white people, or family American conventions without at least some shade of contempt, and why gov is intent on enforcing public respect of whatever crackpot religion the latest imports claim. Population destabilisation goes together with the dismantling of public education standards and the MSM attempt to capture our language via shaming and 'political correctness'. This is all cultural destabilisation. We should call it what it is.
A true local government enforces processed that improve its locality. A criminal government thrives by destabilisation and chaos. Opposing the government requires a cultural consensus, which is why these criminals seem intent on stamping that out wherever it seems to occur.
You singular society folks make a lot of us less racially pure and less statist people very fucking uncomfortable. You tards sound like damn NAZI's.
Sorry, Nid, but if noticing that white people are shamed by public media these days makes me a Nazi to you, then I suggest your thinking is part of the problem. Not to over-react, but I'm actually neither 'singular society' nor racially pure / inclined as I have no opinions on race or religion. (Neither interests me.) That doesn't make me notice, however, an agenda when I see it.
A slow assimilation process, into whatever culture, benefits both immigrant and culture. The opposite of this is destabilisation, which includes shaming of the culture in place that the government wishes to destabilise. I would think that true for any country, and the US is hardly the only one being destabilised like this. Only the cultures in question change.
You are being too simplistic.
Actually no, you are being simplestic, by inferring that I directly meant WHITE folks asshole.
You people assume that the whole society is yours that there are no actual natural divisions that have been here longer than the Euro trash that you descended from.
I'm German in ancestry, I can trace my lineage all the way back to the Hessians that fought against and then for Washington. I am also Native American and Asian. My ancestors were here building this nation while yours were probably still being serfs in Europe 100 years ago.
It's not a singular society, and how very arrogant some of you people are about how a society and culture is formed. It is very disturbing when you guys start talking about he US as one single society THAT is YOURS rather than a loose collection of individuals that are here to PEACEFULLY assemble and work together. It makes it feel like you think you actually did all of that work to build everything, and that you honestly think that you're being righteous by excluding people like me, because I don't fit your damn mold of what you think the US society is.
You do not and never will own the exclusive right to determine what being an American is. You are not fit to judge anyone like that, especially if you can't understand that this is not a singular culture or heritage nation.
>> You tards sound like damn NAZI's.
First time I've agreed with your take.
I've had this position for a long time, it's been a battle to get some of the worse ones to back down and stop trolling.
Is it Nig Styles
or
Nid Styles
Just wondering....
There you go, push it out into the light so I can crush you tard.
Just because their eyes are similar doesn't means they are all alike. Chinese leaders have their hands full riding herd over 1.3 b. They've got 56 different people groups and they don't all get along and they certainly don't all love Beijing. The internal control machine is huge and well practiced.
They ALL have to deal with the White Devil. Remember Boxer Wars?
ROTFL!!!
After this police display in HK, China might as well forget about reconciliation with Taiwan any time soon:
Taiwan rebuffs Chinese leader's new pitch for unificationThe timing of Xi’s suggestion on Friday that mainland China and Taiwan could reconcile under a “one country, two systems” arrangement came at a curious juncture. Hong Kong democracy activists are waging a furious battle against authorities in Beijing, accusing mainland leaders of reneging on promises to allow truly open elections for the territory’s chief executive in 2017.
Many Taiwanese have been closely following the events in Hong Kong, and Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou’s called this month for stronger democracy in the territory.
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-taiwan-rebuffs-china-unification...
"Sum ting wong?" and "Ho Lee Fuk!"
Who let the 10 year olds in?
I thought this was an adult site?
A sense of humor is a sign of intelligence, but i guess caucasians are the only proper targets for a little bit of fun? Calm thyself. I assure you we could engage in debate and you would not find me your lesser.
"I assure you we could engage in debate and you would not find me your lesser."
Time will tell funny boy.
the intention is not to demonstrate a sense of humor but rather to insult and demean multiple ethnic groups and nationalities.
the only funny thing about these insults is that almost none of these "words" sounds like anything from any major dialect of chinese (or any other major asian language for that matter).
No, the intention is to censor. If I had a nickel for everyone who said a disparriaging comment on Americans or Jewish people or other nationalities, I can assure you my tally would be higher than the disparriaging comments for the Asian community. The word 'Murica is tossed all over the place here, but I am sure you have never spoken up against that. Speaking of Asian communities, they are some of the most racist in the world. Spare me your "post-racial" attempt at seeming sensitive. You wish to censor and place your ire in selective places which basically makes you a hypocrite. i can also assure you that there are ways you sensor your relationships by using prejudicial tendencies by whom you hang out with, date and more. How is that for fucking debate?
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/24/world/asia/china-tinted-prejudice/
No, adult sites are something different.
wi tu lo on socio-economic ladder?
Lame
I love the smell of freedom pepper spray in the morning.
The 'pepper' is redundant in this case.
AHHH!! I got freedom in my eyes.
It's all fun and games till someone gets freedom in their eyes.
:-)
“Capitalism didn't end the oppression of previous economic systems. It simply reformulated them. When we speak of free markets, we should always ask, whose freeedom?” — Benjamin D. Steele
Stupid comment.
In a government run economy, whatever the belief system it is based on, the government is free to ruin your life.
With freedom and no government, you are free to ruin your own life.
Big difference.
I never liked'm giving Hong Kong back to China. They break all kinds of treaties all the time. Why not that one?
I thought this was encouraging until I read it and got the impression that all they want is a little fixed-voting action, nothing Diebold can't solve. Maybe some Dumokrissy Fuk Yea cheerleaders with pompoms could open the first voting both.
If I'm wrong, please let me know. Don't care about the downvotes so much as I'd really like to feel good about this story. As it is I think I'll just have to toss it in the Arab Spring circular file.
Ren, that was my thought as well. All this, to demand for more of the same 'ol "democrazy"?
Somewhere along the masses' conditioning is a strong belief that voting in the present system can bring about positive change.
If those 50,000 agreed to form their own physical-backed currency and seceded from the empire, then we'd be talking. Except, they can't do shit because they're all poor and resourceless to begin with. There has to be a voluntary consensus among everyone on the planet that the current monetary, economic, and political systems and people are broken and evil, and a mass non-participation in the current system.
But we all know that's not gonna happen until it is many moons too late.
Yea, Democracy is great! 53% here where I live voted I have to drink poison in my water.
rejected,
a) Which poison are you talking about?
b) Why did they vote to poison themselves?
c) And what’s the name of your city… so we will bring our own water, when we visit there.
looks like the goons are going to run a train on that chick in the 4th pic. she's a little chunky, but any port in a storm, i guess.
considering, three of the cops are women. that would be interesting
those are chicks? whoa, could a fooled me. i've seen more feminine chicks at gay bars in the Castro.
What was that advice about storing gold overseas in "safe havens" like Hong kong?
New gold exchanges popping up over there - is this a color revolution to support the petrodollar?
Safest place for bullion is at the bottom of the local boating lake.
The only counterparty risk is infinitely improbable events of randomness and chance.
"riot shields" should be rebranded as "coward shields." once the pendulum swings, those statists muppets will switch on a dime, watch; too late though... the die is cast.
""riot shields" should be rebranded as "coward shields.""
You're going to love this: A armored anti-riot track vehicle called The Rook.
http://blogsdir.cms.rrcdn.com/91/files/2013/04/0409-Rook-1.jpg
An American, not US subject.
Note: While looking for a suitable pic of The Rook, I found that the Pennsylvania state gun and badge thugs had brought it and a MRAP in for the search for Eric Frein who may have taken out one of their fellow thugs.
"'The Rook,' described by its manufacturers as 'six tons of pure responsive force' will allow officers to shield themselves as they hunt for Frein in dense woodland in northeast Pennsylvania."
"Dense woodland?!" Even tanks need trails and reasonably flat ground to operate. MRAPs and The Rook are designed for urban/street use, not "dense woodlands." LOL
Looks like propaganda and PR for supporting MRAPs and "Rooks," and the militarization of the gun and badge thugs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2767126/Six-ton-armored-siege-ve...
Fire destroys all. No matter what.
I dont know a lot about this conflict at all, but i think its impressive that so many protesters came out so quickly. I am guessing this is a very emotional issue for hong kong kids.
no it's not really impressive. they're mostly paid. give poor students $50 and they'll come out in droves for whatever you want.
the reason why these protests never become serious is because everyone knows that they are funded and staged by the west. they did the same thing in taiwan a few months ago, and history is peppered with more examples. it's always the same... pay some students some beer money to go protest and try to foment a little discord. it makes the headline news for a few days and gives the "student leaders" a few minutes of fame (they are usually mediocre students who have no prospect of success through study and hard work, and therefore just try to get enough press so that they can get paid for corporate ads in the future). sometimes, it sucks in a few crazies who truly believe, but 99.99% of locals ignore it.
the one thing that sticks in these propaganda stunts is the international opinion/view of the local situation. take tiananmen square for example... wikileaks has already documented that western media and governments know that there was no violence IN the square (not a single person was killed, or even beaten there), yet 99% of non-chinese think that there was some sort of mass slaughter due to the sensationalist headlines from a few paid actors and a very gullible media.
they are doing these stunts to shape international opinion of china. makes one wonder whether russia/ukraine really matters at all, or whether the real show is yet to come.
You POS. The students are not paid. And, by the way, were you in Tiananmen? I was and many died (beijingren know this). That's why Deng brought in the troops from Dongbei because the Beijing troops would not fire on their own. Do you actually know what the people in the square were protesting? CORRUPTION. Asshat.
getting angry and tossing around insults is bad for your health, but do as you wish. your statement makes it unclear WHEN you were in tiananmen. indeed i was also in tiananmen square! just not at the time of the protests. are you claiming you were there at the time of the protests and saw chinese soldiers massacre a bunch of students? did you snap a photo of the injustice? it's pretty odd that there is not a single photo or video of chinese soldiers killing/hurting students or civilians in the square at that time, isn't it?
this article summarizes several of the wikileaks key points... i believe the telegraph is the unofficial outlet for wikileaks: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html occupiers of the square were forced out, but there was minimal resistance and no evidence of violence. a number of western reporters who alleged violence at the time later recanted; there's an example in James Miles of the BBC in the article. if you read the detailed blogs and recantations of these reporters, they are quite interesting... being pressured/forced into writing false stories. there's very little media coverage of these recantations, and i wonder why that would be. hmm.
a real protest in china is extremely unlikely in the near future. i'm no fan of communism in general, but after a shaky start they have in 2 generations raised 90% of the population out of poverty, 5% into wealth, and 1% into uber-wealth. an improving lot in life is all that most regular folks care about, and until these improvements stall/reverse there are simply way too few people in china who are unhappy given improvement in quality of life for themselves and the prospects for their children. i wish i could say the same about america.
I was there and have the photos you POS. Not that you care. And evidence of killing and injuries all lao Beijingren know this and family. Tout your lies and those reporters are just covering their foreign asses. Don't remember in the 1970s all the Potemkin Village idiots from the UK and elsewhere extolling the glories of the Chinese State? They all now have sunk into the dustbin of history. Your examples are all westerners. Not Chinese who were there. And you were not. Another Wiki idiot.
You dissembler. That's not an insult just an accurate descriptor.
China way too strong for a colour revoloution but a readiness call is also welcomed.
Young, uneducated and naive are always the easiest to recruite.
msm will do what is does best ... bury real stories
US media has other priorities ... like chelsea having a girl ...
In before one of the dim bulbs on ZH blames this on "dumb", "fat" Americans.
Victoria Nuland, her feet bound in the syle of the Last Empress, will be passing out fortune cookies at the Po Lin Monastery this morning and at the Golden Jumbotron statue later in the afternoon.
In addition to a fortune, there will be a 1000 yuan bank note inside each cookie. Don't forget to rub the Golden Jumbotron's belly for good luck.
Or, the locals may figure out who Victoria Nudelman really is, and throw her into the Victoria harbor.
They tried to dunk her 300 years ago in Salem Mass, but she was rescued by a flock of sister harpies and wasn't heard from until she appeared in the Maidan early this year.
Or cast her in a production of "La Juive" with a real caldron of boiling oil.
Global Gaza, that's the goal of globalism,
How does one say "If you like your freedom, you can keep your freedom." in Chinese?
An American, not US subject.
"Your as free as we let you be."
Let me guess... another WHITE HISPANIC to blame for touching off this fracas??
I don't think our Banzai is Hispanic ;-)
Occupy movement backed by the same socialist system they are trying to destroy. Research it.
I think, tihs is another colored revolution initiated by the west, this time in China... ? idk the validity of my own statement, but that is what my gut tells me atleast... If I'm right or wrong, need to do some research lol:)
The HK protest leaders, Anson Chan and Martin Lee, have repeatedly met with members of the US congress and Senate and the British parliament.
Nancy Pelosi have met them, Joe Biden hosted them at the white house, Nick Clegg from the UK have also met them.
search "[their names] meeting with..." and you get the relevant articles.
and here's a piece from WSJ on the current student leader's numerous meetings with the US govt representatives.
pro-beijing-media-accuses-hong-kong-student-leader-of-u-s-government-ties
Yeah so what? They may be deluded or naive into thinking the Western democracies would be sympathetic against the behemouth of the Chinese State. Look at your source. This is a Beijing talking point that a few trolls in the comments are parroting. Any reporting of this protest has been banned by the Gov. on Weibo. You know nothing about this and it's not all about you--i.e. westerners. You tool.
NO, it is not. It is about the terms of the handover and Basic Law. Beijing's 'White Paper' over the elections and future direction of the terms agreed to was violated.
I went to Hong Kong several times in the early 70's as a screamin' seaman in Uncle's navy. Great place!!
I hate to see what China is doing. This won't end well.
Great place indeed ! My last visit was just before the handover.
How can police haul people away like they are some kind of robot carrying luggage?
indoctrination
Zhou Peng Re-education Center Class of 2015
To be honest, if things got violent at Occupy Wall Street..the police would have no problem opening up fire on those kids and blasting them to bits and pieces.
"To be honest, if things got violent at Occupy Wall Street..the police would have no problem opening up fire on those kids and blasting them to bits and pieces."
Things did get pretty violent during the Occupy Wall Street protests--mostly by occupiers against other occupiers:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/nyregion/at-occupy-wall-street-protest...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assaults-occupy-wall-street-camps/story?...
Couldn't find any news stories about the police opening fire on the occupiers and blasting them to bits...
Public protests to rationalize growth of the state's protective services. They must keep us safe, right?
Very nice of Nuland to buy all the students matching yellow hard hats.
There was nothing amiss in her choice of the color "yellow".
The people in yellow helmets were part of a training drill in crowd control - probably police officers. Nothing to do with the students protesting. Why do I even have to explain this?
There was nothing amiss in her choice of the color "yellow".
Yellow is a safety color typical of construction hard hats, nothing at all significant about that, but thanks for showing us your true colors.
And the CIA had nothing fucking to do with the student protests in Hong Kong. Just as they had nothing to do with the support of Capriles last year in Venezuela, against Yushchenko in Kiev in December 2013 and against Assad in Syria in 2011.
That's because they they take their annual $50 billion budget and buy the S&P and DJIA indexes. They don't spend their assets punishing disobedient nations and governments they don't like with protests, riots, and force them to use deadly crowd control.
We all understand Mr. Brennan, I mean ebear, that the CIA is a tool of goodness and light and promotes the nonpareil American democracy -- with two senators from every state and an electoral college (Sorry, but you can't have those. It's too hard for us to fix your elections).
Begging the question WHY WERE THERE 15 PHOTOS INCLUDED IN THIS STORY FROM LAST MAY?
PHOTOS HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT PROTESTS BUT ADDING SUBLIMINAL VIOLENCE TO THE STORY THAT ISN'T GERMAINE.
CIA PROPAGANDA ABOUT THE EVIL CHINESE REGIME
What do you say about that, Mr. Brennan?
Who the hell is Mr. Brennan?
Obviously not you, ebear.
(another one of my clever lines does a face plant)
He's the Director of the CIA.
50.000 people sounds pretty few for being a city of 8 million.
They need to do much better if they wanna succeed. But somehow i think even if they gather a million china might still consider using military force to shut it down.
Yup.
reportedly 150,000 after police used tear gas today.
Venezuela, Syria, Kiev and now Hong Kong.
Your tax dollars at work around the world keeping the American Plutocracy healthy, wealthy and wise.
This coincides with Moscow demos over Ukraine. USD$ panic kicking in. This will only make Russia/China bond, stronger.
The Elite is cracking down .
Referendum for Hong Kong to secede from China ?
Occupy Wall St to secede from USA ?
The elite will not be amused.
See https://www.academia.edu/8518616/The_Elite
Hopefully their cops are wearing body cameras so we can determine who is at fault for this whole mess. Otherwise, Holder and the DOJ will have to fly over and make sure 'Justice' is served.
When this planet's population wakes up, it's going to be historic. I wonder if they will all have the ability to become globally organized and coordinate though? Such dreams I have.
All successful revolutions are the kicking in of a rotten door.
John Kenneth Galbraith
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Let me rephrase that.
All successful revolutions are the result of CIA & NGO sponsored elementary school kids kicking in a rotten door.
Going by some of the comments here, that is.
I mean, it's not like anyone ever has a legitimate reason, right?
all sucessful revolutions had grassroot support + outside help.
all failed revolutions had only one part of the equation, or sometimes neither.
Are there many black people in Hong Kong? No. That's racist.
The worst place to have a protest is on an island where well-to-do people outnumber the protesters 10 to 1.
The mainland blockades the island and after being denied goods and services for a few weeks , the population turn on the protesters who then must switch their attack from the authorities to the citizens whose lives they are disrupting.
With youtube it will be as least as exciting as the semi-finals of the World Cup.
I ran across a Canadian swat team doing a photo op at the new Canadian Human Rights museum. Nice guys. They showed me their CH-8s? which is the Canadian version of the SR-15. A human rights museum and they are showing their fire power. Nice. I said I hoped they didn't have to use them.
Those police look scared
Why no automatic weapons and full body armor like in the States?
They're working on getting up to level of 'love of freedom' the US exercises.
In 150 Years of Hong Kong, under British rule, NEVER had a democratically elected leader. Whats the beef now?
banksters getting desperate!
Learn some history asshat. This was promised by the Basic Law and the Joint Declaration. AND, historically there were many attempts to establish municipal rule. The Young Plan after WW2 a case in point.
As they say...
What goes around Comes around!....
Don't believe the U.S. will be in a position any time soon to boast of human rights in that part of the World or anyplace else for that matter!!!!
What a good time to send Saudi Arabia and Israel as emissaries of peace to chop some "heads off"! After all those two do it so well when they work in tandem!!!!
I was behind a group of Koreans girls wearing sexy short skirts and clutching their Coach hand-bags. They were giggling. Why can't all young people be like them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xQHDzgGlK8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mkiGMtbrPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihNaFCEd0Ms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoXvMWWdRwM
OK, that oughta hold you for a while :-)
I go to HK about twice a month these days. Why do I always miss the fun stuff????
Just let them vote on a puppet and control that empty suit through soft power. What's the problem with that? Let the democratards feel like they have a say. It's worked for 40 years in the West now.
Goal of the globalist is to outlaw free elections and appoint favorable people like corporate board members.
That's a really poor headline. First of all, this is no riot. Second, there is not the remotest comparison to be made between Hong Kongese and the animals in Ferguson MO.
You can't expect anything except propaganda from Reuters becoz its owned by the Banking Cartel!
Its a sham. The banking cartel couldn't get the middle-class and well to do people to protest for FREEDOM/DEMOCRACY (BS words the cartel like to use to instill violence, war, criminal acts etc), so they got their puppets to gather the NAIVE SECONDARY SCHOOL children to do their bidding. ITS A FAILURE OF THE BANKING CARTEL to drive a wedge into CHINA.
FAILURE!
They should have gathered the Kindergarten kids, would have been a spectacle to watch babies storm the government buildings. HAHAHAHAHA.......
These mofo are desperate and this has everything to do with the demise of the PetroDollar, as well as US Hegemony.
LMAO here in HK!
Really? 'LMAO here in HK'? You are just an Uncle. Too bad it makes you out your idiotic self. All those 'kids' have parents, aunties. uncles and tongxue. This has nothing to do with your beloved petrodollar narrative. Hey ask Chongqing with billions of counterfeit money collected through the bus co. Multiply that by all the 'urban areas' in China. Go for that Yuan reserve currency thingee. Sometimes people just do not want to be slaves and want to protect the freedoms they have.
The movements leaders are all RETARDS and NOT RESPECTED within society. FARKING LOOSERS!
TAKE NOTE - ALL THE RETARDS IN THE PHOTO ARE MOSTLY SECONDARY SCHOOL KIDS. Thats all they could muster in the propaganda to do their bidding. DICKHEADS!!! hahahahahaha.
It would be interesting to see what covert US involvement is going on here. No evidence and I am no fan of the Chinese system of government but we saw American money used to destabilise Ukraine and similarly NGO's are financed in Moscow so very probably it is going on here.
No. This is not about you or your 'money'.
Another try of USA coup
No it is not. You westerners (and you Russian trolls) think it is all about you. This is a HK/China disagreement. Butt out.
Asshat.
Some earlier poster mentioned the British- Chinese treaty. The place where the rioting is taking place, Admiralty, is part of Hong Kong Island. Under the treaty of Nanking (1842) the British were ceded control of all of Hong Kong Island in perpetuity. So, it is very likely if the British had kept Hong Kong Island in 1997, under the terms of that 1842 treaty, after giving back Kowloon and the New Territories that place would be independent by now!.
This is pathetic. Man doesn't even want to share a bottle of booze and you expect the ruling to hear and address your concerns via reform. It's money, power and privilege at stake. Nothing can be changed without bloodshed and rolling heads. Otherwise, just go back and consume.
If you wish to know why the students are protesting read this:
Original link: http://www.vjmedia.com.hk/articles/2014/09/17/85319
China is Nobody’s Master (Ming Chan, Assistant Editor-in-chief, Undergrad, HKUSU)
“Don't despair,
not even over the fact that you don't despair.
Just when everything seems over with, new forces come marching up,
and precisely that means that you are alive.”
— Franz Kafka, Diaries of Franz Kafka
On the last day of August 2014, we were all jolted awake from a daze of stress and anxiety. Life was as usual, but a shadow loomed large in the sky. On a closer look, people had turned into hideously large bugs. Distraught with despair, they hid in the shadows waiting for life to trickle away. Such is the despair I had felt on that day, not unlike the imagery in Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis.
This is an era of hope and of despair. So much is about to happen, a historic revolution is upon us—yet nothing is going to happen, or so it seems. We had hoped that one day, we would wake up to a different Hong Kong where we could enjoy real freedom; we had hoped that one day, we would gather in the Civic Square [Translator's note: The area in front of the Central Government Offices was dubbed “civic square” by student activists after the national education protest in 2012. The government calls it the Forecourt of East Wing.] to celebrate the triumph of democracy; we had hoped that we Hongkongers could decide our own fate. Yet the world does not go without a fair share of absurdity—in a world dictated by an oppressive regime, no less. Any effort to resist oppression would be rendered minute and inconsequential. The clear-headed knows what needs to be done but having their hands tightly tied, they swallow their pride. The indifferent continues life in blissful ignorance, albeit only deceptively, existing rather than living. In a world such as this, how may Hongkongers imagine a future for themselves?
It would seem the chronicles of Hong Kong is nearing its end. Will Hong Kong's narrative, which started as a small village in 1842, end in 2047 when China's promise of “one country, two systems” ceases? From a small fishing village to an international metropolis, Hong Kong has been proven an extraordinary example of a modern society. Will our generation see Hong Kong stoops to an ordinary city of the People's Republic? Will the Pearl of the Orient turn to dust in our hands? After WWII, the surge of immigrants who took refuge in Hong Kong's safety and stability had given the city an abundant supply of new blood. Born and raised in Hong Kong, they were the first generation of Hong Kong natives who planted their roots here and called the city their only home—a home that they strived to change for the better. Since the 1970s, the younger generation of Hongkongers had ditched the refugee mentality of their parents' generation. They began thinking about Hong Kong's future: they participated in social movement and demanded political reforms under colonial rule while Hong Kong as a civil society began to take shape. From 1980 onwards, democracy became a common cause for Hongkongers both young and old.
However, as talks of Hong Kong's future ensued between Britain and China, 1980s was also a time when many in the pro-democracy camp misled Hong Kong into the path of “democratic return of sovereignty” where the fate of Hong Kong was believed to be in lockstep with that of China—no democracy for Hong Kong without a democratic China. Blinded by the unification of Greater China ideology, they mistrusted Beijing and hailed the “one country, two systems” policy as the utopian ideal for a self-ruling Hong Kong, only to have 30 years wasted on a fruitless journey. When Beijing blew the introduction of direct elections in the 1988 Legislative Council election, leaders of the democratic movement should have known democratisation did not sit well with the Chinese government. When the tragedy struck at Tiananmen Square in 1989, they, of all people, should have realised such a brutal regime that had the blood of innocent students' on its hands was not to be trusted. In dire circumstances, one may find it plausible to trust a woman of the street. Yet in absolutely no circumstances should one put his trust in the Chinese communists. After all this time, some who used to promote the democratic return ideology now accused Beijing of ditching democratisation promise. It is but a futile effort. A look at the Chinese communist party history would tell anyone that the jockey for power among party leaders almost always comes in the expense of ordinary people. Those who were naive enough to advocate a democratic return were but obliging pawns in China's connivance.
If the democratic return advocates have a change of heart now, they are either incredibly stupid or incredibly good at self-deception. In fact, it is not 'stupid' that can describe their bewildering action. They are simply contented with limited democratisation within the current systems where they now benefit. Their passion for a democratic Hong Kong was quenched by the paltry concession they have gained over the years of fighting for democracy they no longer believe in. Now that China has irrevocably ruled out a true democracy, Hongkongers must wipe away our despair with utmost clarity: democratic return is no longer an option; we must declare its utter failure and reject the notion altogether. The majority of the young proponents of democratic return idea back then have become veterans of the pan-democratic camp now. Although we have little hope of these old-timers having the ambitions they once had, we wish they could do as Confucius had taught, “In his old age, ... he should abstain from acquisitiveness”. Precious time has been wasted on the democratic return bull-crap. If politicians cave in to “acquisitiveness” and allow the phoney universal suffrage proposal to be passed for whatever interests in exchange, history will remember them as the culprits who ruined Hong Kong's democratic process. When the election plan tailored to Beijing's taste get vetoed, Hongkongers would be happy to see them pack up all their democratic return nonsense and make way for newcomers. Their times have passed. So long and good riddance!
Right now, we need to fend off all passive pessimism and blind optimism. We need to assess the current situation and review our history. Nobel laureate Albert Camus said in his Nobel prize in Literature 1957 Banquet Speech, “Each generation doubtless feels called upon to reform the world. Mine knows that it will not reform it, but its task is perhaps even greater. It consists in preventing the world from destroying itself.”
We need not follow the footsteps of our previous generation on our road to a democratic Hong Kong. Rather, it is our tasks to seek a new way and shoulder new responsibilities. No one knows whether the history of Hong Kong will end in the year 2047, but the duty to prevent our beloved city from destruction lies in our generation. Democracy is more than the pursuit of universal values, or an extra line of protection. The quest for democracy matters to the lives and future of generations of Hongkongers to come.
In 1982, China announced it will take back the sovereignty of Hong Kong in 1997. At the time, Hongkongers overwhelmingly opposed to the handover. But then Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping cooked up an alternative reality where the people of Hong Kong desired unification with China. China also objected Britain's idea of Hong Kong as a “three-legged stool” and the proposal to include the people of Hong Kong in deciding its future, demeaning Hongkongers at every turn. 1984, the year of the signing of the unequal treaty Sino-British Joint Declaration, is arguably the most disgracing year in the history of Hong Kong. 2014, 30 years after the joint declaration, Beijing is attempting to demean Hongkongers one more time by forcing a phony universal suffrage proposal upon us. For 30 years, Hongkongers have suffered enough absurdity and humiliation from Beijing. From this day on, Hongkongers shall stand to defend themselves. Even we may not get back the democracy and freedom we so well deserve, we must rise and fend for our dignity. We must reject this Beijing scheme to control our future. Any legislator who gives the green light to Beijing's proposal is an enemy of Hong Kong. They will be condemned for years to come.
Some in the pro-establishment camp argued that Beijing's decision is final and irreversible, and for the sake of the whole society, we should accept the proposal. These people have been far too comfortable being flunkies of Beijing for too long. Beijing is a god to them. Beijing's decision is the truth above all else.
The same goes for the advocates of democratic return and the occupy Central leaders. All of their assertions have been made on the premise that Beijing's authority is not to be challenged. No wonder democratic movement has long been plagued with persistent irresolution and aimless manoeuvring, which would only result in, at last, the whole campaign going to ruin.
Compared to Beijing's denial of a free election, we are more disappointed with the occupy Central movement headed by Benny Tai and Co. We are not disappointed with Beijing's ruling because we never held expectation. But with the occupiers, we are fraught with disappointment because we have had high hopes for the occupy movement.
Only days after China decided to curb free elections in Hong Kong's next leadership election, Benny Tai has backed down from his enthusiasm in the civil disobedience movement. Conceding failure before even trying to fight, Tai declared in an interview that the occupy movement would be unable to alter political reality.
The demise of the occupy movement may have dashed our hopes and exacerbate the grim outlook ahead of us, but it accentuated that any future rebellion adopting the occupiers' kind of “peacefulness” will be in vain. It also showed us how the democratic return proponents, Occupy Central trio all fall to their knees before Beijing — just as the pro-Beijing flunkies do — like a slave worships his master. It is ludicrous how one can claim to be pro-democracy on one hand and practises slavery on the other. It is like having a person who has no personal integrity nor the ability to determine what's best for himself and others clamouring for democracy. It's just wrong. China seems overbearing and formidable, not because it is a nation of stature, but because many have “fallen to their knees”.
Now, the democratic movement in Hong Kong lacks focus as the occupy campaign withers away and successors have yet to gather momentum. Right now, Hong Kong needs a new direction. The democratic return ideology ought to make way for the “Hong Kong democratic independence” movement. It is a concoction of Hongkongers' longing for democracy and the demand for independence. During their fight for democracy through the years, the democratic return advocates rarely had a vision for an independent Hong Kong. They had pushed for decolonisation but never independence. Instead, they had relied on a totalitarian regime that is China to realise its promise to give Hong Kong democracy. This is downright absurdity. It is an absurdity called “one country, two systems”. The “Hong Kong democratic independence” movement declares that China is no master of Hong Kong. Hong Kong deserves the right to determine its own fate. In the face of absurdity, we choose not flight nor surrender. Camus believed that continuing to resist absurdity for as long as one shall live is the only way to freedom.
There was once a story that goes like this:
A primary one student asks his grandfather, “The teacher handed us each a red scarf to wear today. She said the red scarves were made of blood. She told us to cherish it. But why does it only cost 50 cents to buy one in the store?” His grandfather answers, “Your teacher said so because the Party had said so. You say such things to survive. But no matter, in a month, you and your parents will move to Hong Kong and then you will be free.”
1949 marked the point when Hong Kong and China went separate ways. During the Cold War, it was for freedom that countless Germans from East Germany risked their lives to climb over the Berlin Wall into West Berlin. It has been for freedom that Chinese from north of the border have crossed Shenzhen River into Hong Kong. Here, we refuse lies and speak the truth. Here, we can live with dignity. Now, our city has come to a pivotal moment. We cannot let our home go to pot. If we fail now, we fail the future—the future that belongs to the children of our time.
At the end of Kafka's Metamorphosis, Gregor, the protagonist who has transformed into a large bug, dies. Despite his condition and the great despair it brings him, Gregor has struggled to live as he finds solace in his family. But eventually, his family grows so disgusted of him that they abandon him. His sister ends up resenting her brother and calls him a monster. Gregor has died of abandonment. Hong Kong may be more like Gregor than any one of us.
Wait until China gets out of it's economic slump. See if the US doesn't strike another trade deal not affecting the growth of either countries but neutralizing competition between both. Not that they won't be changing after a few term limits in Congress pass by, however. Eventually, the gloves will have to come off. Decentralized power in China = Southeast Asian manufacturing revolution (not to be confused with industrial revolution) and a drop in Disposable personal income in the United States.
1.3 bllion pissed of people! Damn.
Democracy is the scourge of the West, it leads to demagogues, spending promises to buy vote, specially interest corrupting the politicians and moutains of debt and unemployment. Kids in Hong-Kong should be sent in the Western "Democracies" to see how horrendous democracy is. Seriously, Republic is fine with rule of law, but democracy is just being constantly hostage to the crowd.