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The Hong Kong Protest: What It's All About
Considering that as recently as 3 weeks ago the leader of the Occupy Central movement in Hong Kong decided to throw in the towel, after admitting that his civil disobedience movement’s pursuit of democracy had “failed” as a result of waning public support, many are shocked by how aggressively Hong Kong's students took up the baton: almost as if the mystery sponsor behind the ISIS blitz-ascent from obscurity had decided to "destabilize" yet another region. Tongue-in-cheek kidding aside, for everyone confused about the context of this weekend's at time very violent student protests, here is Evergreen GaveKal with its wrap up of the "Hong Kong Democracy Protests."
By Tom Holland, of Evergreen GaveKal
The inhabitants of Hong Kong were treated over the weekend to the unusual spectacle of police battling political protesters in the city’s streets. Baton charges and volleys of tear gas might be common enough tactics in New York or London, but not in Asia’s leading international financial center. The rapid escalation of the protests over the weekend and the police’s strong-arm response shocked locals, and triggered a -2% fall in the city’s benchmark Hang Seng stock index on Monday morning as investors worried about the impact of continued unrest on Hong Kong’s markets, its economy and its future as Beijing’s laboratory of choice for China’s financial liberalization.
Only a few weeks ago it seemed that Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement was a spent force. After Beijing ruled out open elections for the chief executive of the territory’s government, the leader of Occupy Central admitted that his civil disobedience movement’s pursuit of democracy had “failed”. However, Hong Kong’s students and high school pupils failed to take heed. Last Friday a group of around 200 stormed security fences blocking off the ‘Civic Square’ outside the government’s headquarters to stage a sit-down protest against official obduracy. The heavy-handed police response prompted thousands more protesters to descend on the site over the weekend and on Monday morning the city woke up to find a civil disobedience campaign dismissed as irrelevant just weeks before had paralyzed the area surrounding Hong Kong’s government headquarters. With the mood highly febrile ahead of a public holiday on Wednesday to mark the Communist Party’s assumption of power in China, the fear is that the crowds of protesters could swell further over the course of the week, prompting an even more uncompromising response from the city’s Beijing-backed government.
The worst case scenario—that the Beijing government will deploy the People’s Liberation Army to restore order at the barrel of a gun—is extremely improbable. It would be a public relations disaster for China’s leaders. However, it is equally hard to envisage any lasting rapprochement between Hong Kong’s pro-democracy movement and the city’s government. Indeed, although the protesters’ overt cause may be their campaign for free and open elections, many are motivated by underlying grievances both towards the mainland, which they fear is swamping Hong Kong’s unique identity and culture, and towards the city’s own administration, which they believe to favor the interests of property and business tycoons over the aspirations of local people.
As a result, even if this week’s protests end peacefully, the discontent will rumble on. And if slowing Chinese growth and rising US interest rates inflict economic hardship on the city, the dissatisfaction is only likely to mount. In recent years the combination of mainland money flows and rock-bottom mortgage rates—Hong Kong’s currency is pegged to the US dollar, so local borrowing costs follow US rates—have propelled the city’s property prices to record highs, up 300% from their 2003 low. While any slump would make property more affordable, it would also hammer the balance sheets of the city’s middle class property-owners, many of whom are inclined to sympathize with the weekend’s demonstrators.
Against that backdrop, an extended campaign of civil disobedience is likely to weigh further on Hong Kong’s stock market, already down -8.3% since early September. A new equity trading link between the Hong Kong and Shanghai market, which is due to go live towards the end of October, may not help much. With the valuations on Hong Kong listed-stocks bang in line with their mainland peers, there are currently few arbitrage opportunities to be exploited. And with Beijing’s ‘mini-stimulus’ to support the mainland economy running out of steam and the People’s Bank of China resisting pressure for a full-scale monetary easing, the chances that a continued rally in mainland stock prices will support the Hong Kong market look slim.
Finally, some critics have suggested that the weekend’s pro-democracy demonstrations could prompt Beijing to choose Shanghai’s Free Trade Zone over Hong Kong as the favored venue for its financial liberalization program. Possibly, but one year after it was opened with great fanfare, progress at drawing up rules to govern capital flows in and out of Shanghai’s new zone is glacially slow and almost entirely opaque. The mainland city still looks decades away from mounting a credible challenge to Hong Kong.
Even so, hopes that Hong Kong investors will benefit from a new spate of mainland liberalization measures look exaggerated. With China’s growth rate now slowing towards 7%, exposing the vulnerabilities of China’s financial system, complete interest rate liberalization and a full opening of the capital account are receding further into the future. That may preserve Hong Kong’s pole position. But along with the gathering momentum of pro-democracy protests, it will also limit future opportunities for growth.
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De Gaulle had a similar experience in 1968:
“...At the same time, he strongly opposed the global economic dictate of US currency, insisting on establishing the golden standard as the base of international economic relations.
De Gaulle's efforts were deliberately undermined by the architects of dollar-based globalization. The student movement in Paris started, without any significant domestic social reasons, literally a month after the meeting of Bilderberg Club where Baron Edmond de Rothschild and leading CIA strategist, rabid anticommunist James Jesus Angleton launched a far-reaching scenario of destabilization of Europe, instrumentalizing an ambitious George Pompidou for a political change in France that should be fairly recognized as a sophisticated coup d'etat. ...”
http://www.globoscope.ru/eng/content/articles/295/
Spain's "Constitutional Court" suspends Catalan voting.
Because when it gets serious, you have to stop the vote.
http://headlines.ransquawk.com/headlines/spain-s-constitutional-court-su...
Of course they stopped the Vote. But this will not end the Catalan march to independence.
As for HK, I smell another color revolution brewing..... things must be really bad in the USSA for the CIA to attack China in addition to Russia, Syria etc.
<-- because US is a democracy this doesn't happen in US
<-- because US is worse than China this doesn't happen in US
The USSA is no more of a Democracy than China, India, Russia, Germany etc etc.
All governments are essentially the same, a very small group of insiders dominating everyone else.
"...As in the case of the new communication technologies, the potential effectiveness of angry youth in post modern coups has long been under study. As far back as 1967, Dr. Fred Emery, then director of the Tavistock Institute, and an expert on the "hypnotic effects" of television, specified that the then new phenomenon of "swarming adolescents" found at rock concerts could be effectively used to bring down the nation-state by the end of the 1990s. This was particularly the case, as Dr. Emery reported in "The next Thirty years: concepts, methods and anticipations,'' in the group's "Human Relations," because the phenomena was associated with "rebellious hysteria." The British Military created the Tavistock Institute as its psychological warfare arm following World War I; it has been the forerunner of such strategic planning ever since. Dr. Emery's concept saw immediate application in NATO's use of "swarming adolescents" in toppling French President Charles De Gaulle in 1967 [sic]. ..."
http://magazin-derglotzer.blogspot.ca/2009/03/history-may-vs-charles-de-gaulle.html
Yes, Hong Kong is still Britain's patch, these protests are likely an MI6 special
That's crazy. This has nothing to do with England. Hong Kong has been free for a long long time. The citizens don't want to live under a one-child fascist state. Who can blame them?
Rubbish.
@ Latina Lover
The same guys from Washington want rule everywhere. They took the EU, Switzerland although BRICS countries are getting rid of these tentacles.
About the protesting Hong-Kongians, they are useful idiots although they have noble intentions, they are used in a similar manner as Ukrainians in Orange revolution.
Hmm, hmm. Yep.
Do not insult us Hong Konger with your US attack China bull shit. That isthe party line of the PRC, blaming on a phantom enemy whereas they are the real problem behind teh crisis.
Yes Joe. Beijing line. These running dog posters throw in US/West/ and so on (now the specious argument it is an indirect attack on the Russians because they are China's new best friend) to discredit the protesters. They just can't get it through their blindingly narcissistic western centric dystopian and self-loathing view that it is not about them. What tools.
i do not believe anyone here is insulting Hongkongers...comments are information that sometimes present an alternative view.
To believe in no foreign involvement is perhaps naive...the entire 20 C has dozens of his-story to help us with waking up to the fact that the entire globe is just a chessboard.
If cannot afford to lose the "pole", yet, what'd it take to allow a bit of leeway to Hong Kong, hummm?
Follow the money...
just an observation:
"sorry for inconvenience..." is bigger than "Fight for democracy..."
telling.
Hong Kong stock exchange is operating normally. People are going back to school and work as usual. Buses have adjusted route. Incidents of robbery and sexual harrassments are occuring in the occupy area. People are starting to get irritated by occupiers.
Protest is about to get "Occupy Wall Streetized"
Western Style Election(give you two choice, both our puppet, now vote) will be implemented eventually.
Hong Kong people have lost.
Now back to the big picture of ChiRussia vs America
http://i.na.cx/6TE22T.jpg
Live from Hong Kong in the morning
or just count it in your favor!!!
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable". JFK 1961
BLAM-BLAM-BLAM!
(1963)
Well played sir. Sad but true.
Applies equally to the USSA.
Voting?
There isn't a right to vote and there isn't a right to form a government.
Pinto Currency has this threat going about whether CIA is going after China, starting a color revolution, and how the gold standard put forth by the BRICS will be crushed
Pinto might be right...
A) Ecuador sent their gold to the USA, would love a tape recording of what got them to do that
B) Jugo Chavez got cancer & Died even if he did get the gold back
C) We are Technically at war with NATO against Russia
D) US Assassinations of JFK, MLK & Bobby Kennedy could have been the Bankers, the CIA, the MIC as Bobby spoke out for civil rights, JFK spoke about ending the FED, and Bobby was running for President
E) Presidential Candidate Eugene McCarthy spoke against the Vietnam War, met with Che to discuss repairing relationship with Cuba... then "Strangely" after Bobby was Assassinated in 1968 he became "Right Wing" and then Dropped out of Politics 2 years later.
" Indeed, he almost seemed to take a turn to the political Right during his final two years in the Senate, as witnessed by his opposition to President Richard Nixon's Family Assistance Plan, a form of "reverse income tax" to help the poor get off of welfare and a program similar to a plan he had proposed several years earlier—though many liberal senators and representatives also opposed the plan."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_McCarthy
Regarding D: think LBJ, whose corrupt chickens were about to come home to roost. (Not mutually exclusive with CIA involvement.) And BTW, remember that George HW Bush repeatedly insisted that he was in Tyler, Texas on that infamous day. RFK, in case you forgot or never knew, as JFK's Attorney General, and didn't announce his candidacy until after LBJ decided not to seek reelection.
For those who like to go down rabbit holes: http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm
Just look at Iraq, Libya, Syria, now Iran and BRICS.
Gold and oil don't mix well for the Anglo American banks.
And there are also too many embarrassing questions re. supposed Treasury gold to answer.
"Pinto Currency has this threat going about whether CIA is going after China, starting a color revolution, and how the gold standard put forth by the BRICS will be crushed"
Not a snowball's chance. China ain't Iran in the '50s.
The Chinese government wants to install a nominations board to filter out any of the candidates they do not like before the people get a chance to vote. To paraphrase the official explanation of this, this plan is in accordance with "basic law". Whatever the hell that means.
LOL. Yes, well, it means whatever they want it to mean. you need to re-calibrate a little when you start considering China; it's a dictatorship; plain and simple. no frills. no extras. just the usual; you disappear; no body knows anything; they change their history; they change the rules, they change the "laws"; they do whatever the fuck they want. The Hong Kongers will just need a little breaking in; but they will be broken to the bit. and that's all there is to the story, really.
Sat " it's a dictatorship; plain and simple. no frills. no extras. just the usual; you disappear; no body knows anything; they change their history; they change the rules, they change the "laws"; they do whatever the fuck they want.
It sounds like you're talking about the USSA.
So they decide who gets to play, who gets to stay, who has some sway. And thus is different from the USSA "how"?
In other countries people KNOW that there's a "Whole Lotta rigging going on". The naive Sheeple in the USSA however, still believe or delude themselves that the system still kinda works and can be fixed.
It would be hilarious, if it weren't so tragic.
Very interesting; and very plausible.
Someone just mentioned to me that the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997 just be rolled on not long after the handover of HK to China.
That crisis was indeed meant to shake up the Chinese takeover of HK.
Not until the SNAP cards stop working. That day is going to be nuts.
`and to deal with those PESKY preppers and gold bugs
I am looking for the joy and fun to start in Atlanta. The blacks are a very large percent of the population and they will definitely enjoy showing us white folks what multicultural tolerance is all about.
Yea, but just crash the GA EBT / SNAP payment system for a month and watch the panic start ...
Memphis might be sligtly further along than Atlanta judging by the comment from this article:
http://wreg.com/2014/09/28/teenage-mob-attack-strikes-again/
Hard to control 34 yr. olds with an 11 yr. old mind.
All this zombie talk ain't actually about the undead.
I'm kind of betting on Chicago on an underdog line since the south side has been a free fire zone for years and it's starting to spread.
I'm down with multicultural equality; they all go down the same to forehead or occipital bun shots.
I have had a gun poked into my ribs three times in a row last year by diverse peeples, any one of whom could have been Barry's son [if he had had one] so I'm with SAT on this. Two times in braod friggin daylight... once in front of Bed Bath & Beyond at 10am! The first time it happened I called the cops ... who did nothing. They said it's a miracle they didn't shoot me, "just for fun."
"If you want to keep your diversity, keep it," but leave me out!
Shit and i thought i was safe wearing my rolex around time square.
mentally sub-normal tribal primitives.
Bwaaaaaahahahaha.
"Fighting for DemoCrazy"
Listen up you dumb fucks, Democracy IS the fucking problem and when you finally get that through your thick fucking skulls we can move forward, until then keep voting your God given rights away to the state.
They may be too stupid to realize this, but they're not too stupid to realize that the Chinese government getting to stack the nominations board so as to allow them to pre-select the candidates is worth rioting over.
I guess the destabilization of China is starting before more de-dollarization happens in trade.
If this was Ferguson or Detroit...they would be looting all the time....this is a very nice neighborhood in Hong Kong.....nothing like that with these kids....shows intelligence......
Intelligence, yes - but part of the collective hive, no to little ability to live independently or be creative. The technology is mostly copied from the west. They do everything as a hive, protest together, etc.
Would you rather be American or part of a hive mentality?
You think Americans show individuality?
And moreover, what exactly is an American?
Anyone of any background, race, culture, religion, ethnicity can be an American if they are in possession of a SSN and a U.S. passport. Mass immigration has diluted the demographics to the point that it's a conceptual nation, and not a cohesive ethnic identity.
America = Washington D.C. + 11 aircraft carrier groups + the almighty petrodollar. Everything else is just details.
p.s. the SSN and U.S. passport are optional pre-requisites if you're here to enjoy free shit. They will be given to you free of charge!
In many states like Kalifornia, a SSN or U.S. passport are not needed to enjoy free shit paid for by taxpayers:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/17/report-la-county-to-pay-650-million-in...
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-familie...
"Hong Kong police say they teargassed protesters because they were armed with umbrellas and plastic wrap"
https://twitter.com/frostyhk/status/516745444144082944/photo/1
Native American? Mass immigration has diluted the demographics to the point that it's a conceptual nation, and not a cohesive ethnic identity.
You think Americans show individuality?
Americans defined it.
That was a very long time ago. Face facts Americans are just like the rest of the sheep in the world or my be even worse (all those guns gathering dust).
When my dad was working on offshore oil rigs, he said the Americans on the crew were the most obedient and least willing to question the management. Other than the African locals they brought on as general laborers of course.
Ding !
That was a very long time ago. Face facts Americans are just like the rest of the sheep in the world or my be even worse (all those guns gathering dust).
Hah! Not.
yes' very long time ago. very, very, long time ago. so long ago; it's irrelevant. it pertains to a different culture.
Are you American?
Yes, and I did the best job I could to study our history. Something dreadful happened in the twentieth century. Perhaps, TV followed by computers and "smart" phones; I'm not sure. We are a very conformist and fearful culture; and I'm not pleased to have to report that.
Your analysis is incomplete.
Ever see the Great Depression soup kitchen lines in the 1930's ? Dust Bowl in the MidWest? Would you believe the same generation of people a few years later rose up, as one, and won World War II ?
Don't be so sure you understand things. The Lord has blessed this nation. There will come a tipping point where men will no longer sit back and tolerate. That is what makes America special and unique.
There was no reason for the US, Britain, or France to enter WWII.
France and Britain allied with Poland because FDR assured them he could get the US into the war:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/yourphotos?pid=5985649043597402514&oi...
( these six pages are from Hoover's book, Freedom Betrayed )
France and Britain were more than willing to sit WWII out, and let Germany and Russia murder each other. Japan attacked the US because a high level mole of Stalin's in the US State Department kept adding provocative demands with FDR's signature to diplomatic dispatches.
I appreciate the information, but it's not relevant to what I was saying.
The conformity of US culture was noted already by sympathetic critic de Tocqueville in the late 1830's. The War to prevent Southern Secession was the unalterable transformation of the US into something more like an empire than a republic--forever after a major part of the the "electorate" were citizens on sufferance--conquered people. Only the reality of the frontier (Jackson's thesis is broadly correct, of course) kept alive enough reality of individual reward for individual effort to maintain the illusion of resourceful independence that forms such a precious but dwindling legacy. By the 1890's the frontier was closed, we were conquering Hawaii and Spanish Phillippines. Then came the Balfour Declaration and the disastrous US meddling in WWI.
You are right of course about the baleful aspects of TV, etc.
They defined it, how? Everything in US culture has been about the mainstream.
"You think Americans show individuality?"
Absolutely. Ever go to a sneaker store in a major city? Or perhaps any woman's closet. Americans choose individuality on footwear! Put limits on the brands of shoes and Americans will riot for sure. Those HK residents are so 1960's era. They need to progress to the america shoe revolution!
"Individuality" for Americans is low information voters ape-ing whatever appeared on the current reality TV shows.
Oh, be fair. There's lots not to like about various aspects of Chinese culture -- having lived for quite some time in Asia I completely agree -- but this group is trying very hard not to become part of the collective (mainland) hive. Cut them some slack.
(And I won't even touch the false alternative in the last line. Comic gold, that is!)
Americanism is hive mentality, shitwad.
Not even close.
Would you rather be American or part of a hive mentality?...
I think this is a false dichotomy. The typical flyover US citizen still has a wealth of opportunities available that many the world over continue to only dream of, hence the inability to secure our borders regardless of the officially proclaimed war du jour. Unfortunately many of these previous “hive mentality” persons arrive on our shores and invade our heartland believing their brand of disease will thrive to mature into a life giving utopian paradise little realizing their inability to inculcate their own next generation with peace and comfort due to the death and destructive bloodthirsty actions they themselves wreaked to provide a hoped for and promised nonviolent and growth conducive environment.
Every country / peoples remain one generation away from extinction / historical significance due to the universal human condition recognized as adolescent rebellion.
“Not that that’s a bad thing.”
Jmo
Sure, but you ignored the obvious that you are along with hundreds of millions of other Americans that think the same thing. So when talking about HIVE mentality, you should be aware of that.
Your form of statism is always better than that other guy's form of statism. It's called dementia in most civilized circles.
Of course it's a false dichotomy. It's just a cheap trick in debating. By the way; there is no "inability to seal the borders" it could be done in 90 days, at the most. right now thery're doing catch and release at the southern borders; on orders from Washington; who in turn get their orders from the Corporate Bosses. The more bodies, the less likely it is you'll be able to get a living wage; and one thing you can be sure of, is that no Capitalist wants to pay you if they can avoid it.
"Would you rather be American or part of a hive mentality?"
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Christ, are those the only choices I get?
I'd tick the "none of the above" box.
No; they're not.
I'd rather be part of a IQ108 Hive; because, in point of fact, no one can cause me to be part of a hive. I was born an individual thinker; some people just are. And it's much nicer and less trouble surrounded by an IQ108 Hive; than an IQ97 Hive; (counting in our wonderful Africans and Latins).
This is Hong Kong. A very strategic marketplace with a long and colorful history. The British boot is gone, say hello to the Chinese boot...
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
http://youtu.be/vwS1tC9Mp00
(Had to do it.)
The old bosses drank tea, traded spices, set up an opium shop, and practiced paedophilia on the local boys. The new bosses are the (great) (great) great grandchildren of those old Chinamen.
"rising US interest rates"? What is this, Bloomberg?
Interest rates are not rising.
Give em a dose of America's democracy and see how they like it. M'Fers.
If you let people vote, they'll vote for socialism, and a small, densely populated island with no natural resources can't afford socialism. Soon there would be starving refugees fleeing Hong Kong, as they fled Cuba, Vietnam, and now Venezuela.
That's why many, many times, democracy is the oposite of liberty.
In many cases a dictatorship is more free than some democracies.
all the blind folds off - it would appear to me that most irqqis were better off under saddam and libya under quaddafi, etc.
if you weren't trying to overthrow him, you were better off. you weren't getting bombed.
of course, nobody in america can see that, because we gave them democracy and liberated them!! oh, we are so nice, aren't we. doing all of this for everybody for free!! what a GREAT nation. we give it all away, help everybody, for free.
go figure it out and come back and tell me how wrong i am.
I suppose the fact of the matter is, sometimes even a dictator can be benevolent. Whether the same can be true for democratically elected governments remains to be seen.
Simple logical analysis shows that a benevolent, patriotic dictator is the best form of govenment. The problem comes in the succession. ON the other hand, democracy has many shades. Originally, in the US it meant that white adult males who owned something; "stakeholders" in the common enterprise could vote. Now, it means an illiterate sub-normal rabble can pick whoever they are led to believe will pass out the most free shit. the two things hardly deserve the same name.
Where's Dennis Roddman????? we need a good peace negotiator!.
Yeah, he'll have them playing ball in no time.
The universal underlying theme of any protest against government and the banksters:
"Don't tread on me!"
An American, not US subject.
Note: The theme of "Don't tread on me!" can be used as a rubric to measure the sincerely of any supposed anti-government protest. If it is only for "lower taxes" or for more government oversight or interference, etc. then it is in reality nothing more than a PRO government protest.
So the "Occupy" movement was FOR more government oversight of business--more of a failure--and the Tea Party was for "Taxed enough already," and not for "Get lost criminals," making them both tools of government, not against government.
Let them have their democracy...as long as we count the votes...
- China
Which is almost the same as USSA, where vote counting is rigged by pre-screened and pre-approved Candidates.
The chosen ones get the election funding and media support, the rest do not. QED.
Modification of your typical Molotov cocktail.
Gasoline + polystyrene + duct tape a camping size butane canister to the bottle.
Don't let Russians invest their money in Hong Kong.
Another way, to impose the sanctions: deprive them of a safe harbour for their moeny.
CIA?
Human rights and democracy are for children and students. Just have alook at human rights and democracy in USA, spying all over the planet.
Now if they start protesting in Bejing...
Sum Ting Wong, children!
Another dog and pony show brought to you by Gene Sharp and George Soros... with a little dab of Ford foundation.
http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35683/Manipulated-Occupy-Movem...
since when is "fighting for democracy" consist of punching air. ? punch that air!
Give them their democracy. Start with a two-party system, unlimited campaign contributions, revolving door between gov. office and private sector, ...the freedom and democracy just snowballs from there.
China's financial system is fraught with problems.... but no more so than the Euro or Dollar.
In fact, one ought to consider the possibility that the Chinese are racing to build, and build debt, and print - merely because to not do so ahead of the ineluctable global financial collapse will mean, in essence, to be robbed by the West....
This debt isn't being repaid - may as well build some extra housing and damns and submarines before the shit hits the fan for realsies...
in other words, with so many treasuries, and so much dependent on exports, with the dollar's inevitable decline and war on the horizon - spending foolishly and overlevering is the smartest thing they can do...
Mind right, money right ready for WAR...
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/03/why-the-cia-funds-nonviolence-training/
soros
rothschild
mi6
mossad and cia
that hong kong cnn tear gas show was weak.
your gonna have to send in the blackwater snipers my kosher boyz cos this is lookin pretty gay compared to the kiev nazi pillage
With the protesters excessive use of umbrellas, I call what's going on in Hong Kong
The Mary Poppins Revolution
Inside each Hong Konger is the rage to tear those mother fucker cops apart but they know not to give the cops the excuses to kill the movement via legitimate claim of countering terrorism if the cops were attacked. It took incredible restriant to not fight back and it took extreme courage to face the clubs and rubber bullets with your hands up in the air and not backing away. Try that sometimes befoe you post a sniping comment.
Watch some of the video makes anyones blood boil. One cop tap on the shoulder of a protestor and spray him with pepper spray when he turn his head . Another grab onto a protestor who was backing off so he can spray him in the face. What is the purpose of the spray suppose to be ? To sadistically hurt people ? ANd you wonder why the number of protestors increase ?
Standard Chinese "Civilized behavior". As soon as you get a little authority, you immediately use it to abuse your fellow citizens. You really have to go there; the whole country is psycho.
"FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY" = WESTERN FUNDED ASTROTURF.
Coincidentally all parties who have violated US wishes to block Russian sales of natural gas are being hit with "revolutions" and market swings.
It's just coupon day on Hong Kong properties before the linking of Shanghai and Hong Kong exchanges.
"The worst case scenario—that the Beijing government will deploy the People’s Liberation Army to restore order at the barrel of a gun—is extremely improbable. It would be a public relations disaster for China’s leaders."
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Maybe the CCP and/or human nature have completely changed in 25 years, but they didn't seem too worried about PR disasters when ordering the machine-gunning of thousands of students in Beijing. And that's all pretty much forgotten now. Likely some readers won't know what I'm talking about.
They have threatened and indeed drive their military vehicles through the street at night to try to scare people.
Nothing whatsoever has changed. and no, of course, they don't know what you're talking about. they know anything about the mobile police death vans that provide lethal injections on the way to the police station. they don' t know that you just disappear and no one knows anything about it.
Burn down the tyrants all over this planet. Let's not stop until every one of them is a memory.
Keep going.
Whatever down voted you is evil.
No. it's not that simple. what if you succeeded and ended up with "power to the People" as t hey did in the French Revolution? Disaster. Complete national dis-integration.
Cnbc and the rest of the msm backed the chinks...it's over...the elitist have shown us their hand.
I agree with those who see HK protest as attempt to make Asia-Maidan or arab spring type of mess. This is clearly attack on China after they fail to condemn Russia. It is also attempt to disrupt transfer of Russian oligarch wealth to HK beyond US jurisdiction. To prove it take closer look at what students want. They are against arbitrary election commission setting up rules for ballot access. They want to be free to put anyone on the ballot. They want something that does not exists anywhere in the world. I wish it did but it does not. So what's up with that in fascist China. There is no chance since limited ballot access is the ruling elite prime method of stealing democracy in addition to threats, intimidation and murder. The world rulers always prefer to put us down gently and humanely, if feasible, but always at minimum costs to themselves. In Auschwitz you really had to earn respect of SS guard before you ware shot with a gun. Often you needed camp court sentence which took about 5 minutes. Due to austerity in the camp most people died from gas poisoning, electrocution by contact with fences, hanging, drowning in paddles of mud, sickness or starvation. We all seem to be temporarily living in big camp or some of you still outside gates?
You couldn't be more wrong. Nice attempt to discredit the protesters. Utter logical and factual fail. It is not 'clearly [an] attack on China after they fail to condemn Russia. It is also attempt to disrupt transfer of Russian oligarch wealth to HK beyond US jurisdiction' (if you knew about banking and finance in HK you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself) or 'Asian-Maidan...type of mess'. What other specious lapsap can you pore into your bin? Oh yeah now the Nazi/jew thing. This is not about you (what western hubris. Never ceases to surprise me). This is about HK and China and has been bubbling along since 1984, and the promises made in the Basic Law that China, btw, approved. If you are really interested, push the timeline back and learn some history. Perhaps start with the May Fourth Movement if you want to get a feel for how our perceptions of what is going on sparks comparisons. And it is not your history.
The "Promises" in the basic law. You actually made me laugh out loud. Oviously you know nothing about China. The Hong Kongers have just been suffering from a little too much freedom; but they will get sobered up fast. There are no promises; there is no law; there isn't even any history. It's the perfect realization of George Orwell's state in reality. The leaders will disappear and the followers will become bitter, dis-illusioned, and permanently mentally scarred; in other words, normal Chinese Citizens.
Maybe you should sober up but then you might stop laughing.Touched a nerve did I? Nice to know what you think are 'normal Chinese citizens'. You POS.
However I am having a laugh at you
victims of their dictator government; very tragic. but that's the way it is. our newspapers choose not to see it; but it's a flat out full on dictatorship.
Yes, that we can (partially) agree on and yes some of your newspapers chose not to see it. However, what matters is that we (not you) know that dictatorship first-hand hence the protests (in HK and also in China). If you read weibo (mainland) the comments are replete with (subtle because of censorship) self-aware individuals, who at great risk, point out hypocrisy and injustice in government. Your big-brush tarring of Chinese citizens as deranged victims is as false as if I would condemn you and all your fellow citizens as ignorant 'sheeple' (and I am being polite here).
As an aside, we call ourselves 'pimin'--shitizens-- a sarcastic label taken on as a badge of honour after an arrogant Shenzhen Party secretary berated a local family (saying the equivalent of 'I fart in your general direction').
Having said that you are still a POS.
yup,the PRC are scarred shitless of a counter revolution that would topple them,not to mention the major power plays happening at the sane time in the Central Politburo Standing Committee..they live in interesting times ,lol.
This freedom thing would spread like a wildfire in California..the PLA will put it down if it gets to crazy in HK even if it hurts rapprochement with Taiwan.
Fucking with the old western power elites (geopolitical money games)will getcha head handed to ya... ask gaddafi
Scatha,
Where did you get the idea that people are not free to put anyone on the ballot ? Here in the US you can write in any candidate you want, including your cat. It is just that you cat will only get one vote from you and will never win but you can still do it as a gesture of protest.
PRC is so worried that people will actually vote for a cat than their favorite candidate they issued the white paper to re-define the relationship between Hong Kong and Beijing . IF people do not speak out now, they will have no voice on what is coming down the pipeline - anti-subvesion law , etc etc. That is why Hong Konger view this as a fight to the death. Their backs are against the wall. They have no alternative and BEijing would not negotiate. When the democratic concil members went to talk to the PRC represetative in Hong Kong they were told that the fact that the PRC ALLOW them to stay alive is evidence enough that the government is inclusive. How would you repsond if not hitting the street.
There is absolutely no chance for any compromise with PRC. NONE. As the man pointedly reminded them; you're still alive. There's no such thing as public relations or public opinion in China; it's a dictatorship. Period. With all that that implies. ALL that that implies. Read more books; it's not necessary that you are so innocent of knowledge. China doesn't fuck around; they come and pick you up in the police van and that's the end of it. Nobody knows anything. you just don't exist anymore. These people in Hong Kong are just not fully aware yet of whose authority they fall under; but they will find out.
Occasionally, the cat wins... In 1997, a cat named Stubbs was elected mayor of Talkeetna, Alaska.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-human_electoral_candidates
Although I personally enjoyed this one.
In 1967, an Ecuadorian foot powder company advertised its product, Pulvapies, as a mayoral candidate in the town of Picoazá. Surprisingly, the foot powder won by a clear majority.
China made promises when Hong Kong was handed over, promises it is not keeping. The students are very inspiring! Oh that American youth would follow their example and stand up for liberty too!
Promises !! Oh, stop; you're making me laugh too hard. The PRC is a dictatorship; there are no "promises"; are you a child? or perhaps you live in Taiwan? The PRC will do whatever it finds expedient; and you will live or die; they could care less. you have no bargaining power; they don't care what your opinion is or your wish; or some fucking promise; they;ve already re-written their own history several times. It's an Orwellian country; Reality is whatever the ruling elite says it is.
If you have a barbecue feast with the Trojan Horse as the guest of honour , then this is what happens to you .
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2011/04/inverse-anthropomorphism.html on how this happened
When I read Saturday's Hong Kong riot article on ZH I knew from all the twitters and facebooks where the money behind this demonstration came from.
Brought to you by your local chapter of zio-empire.
Has anyone heard of this:
China to start direct currency trading with euro starting on Tuesday.http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-start-direct-currency-trading-euro-1...
what an amazing concidence that riots started in Hong Kong. Just another coincidence yet again, indeed.
The powerz are desperate.
China's stack is growing bigger than the zio-god's stack.
It could very well be the government in Beijing which is behind the protests. While it looks counter-intuitive, for Beijing to incite protests against itself, the matter will never be out of Beijing's control. If the intent is to set off a panic in the financial markets, triggering an economic collapse in the West, it might just work.
They get to vote for a list made up by the people's liberation army or one made up by the Brit/khazar/Chinese hybrids in Hong Kong. Who ya going with? The choice is limited. Their only hope is if Confuscious incarnates again in the PRC and rules as emporer.
— H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”
Democracy too is a religion.?It is the worship of jackals by jackasses.
White House supports the "aspirations of the Hong Kong people" ....nough said.
What!! the White house in favor of people in other places deciding for themselves who will rule them...when did they completely reverse Government policy?
OK. You did not quote all that was said. Your beloved O has praised Xi because he meets with him in November. And for the US audience he said 'don't do a Fergusen' to the Chinese. Maybe that is why his Chief of the Justice Dept had to resign. Oh. real life is a bitch. WTF?
http://therebel.org/en/mike-king/800213-hong-kong-protests-part-of-hilla...
Hillary says those buggers will pay.
Xi Jingping has a choice now; he can go down in history as "The Great Reformer" and respected for generations to come ... or down in history as the Communist Dictator who presided over a civil war in HK.
His choice and I'm sure he's thinking about that.
It doesn't take a civil war to clear the streets; what are you thinking ? Xi is a Communist Dictator; he knows that; it's not some new strange revelation to him. What this comment board reveals is how successful our media is in insulating us from the reality of the dictatorship in China.
We want Freedum, Got to give it to them they have more guts than the stupid yanks who like to deliver freedom buy blowing you the fuck up.
GIVE ME FREEDOM!!!, or a free Apple 6 and a 2 year guarantee with 120gig a month free....its an either or situation.
Flying to Hong Kong in a few hours. Bought respirator that will filter out tear gas at home depot.
lol, your relying on the home depot, boy did they see you coming, I think they are selling radioactive undies as well to protect you on the plane from radiation to.
You will need that for the pollution. Pretty bad today. The cross-border factories are at full blast (funny that, considering Golden Week) but then it's the winds and weather. An umbrella may get you a search. LOL.
fighting for Democracy = hahahahaha
I don't even know the real deal and how they are being used, manipulated for arterial motives. DUMB FARKS!
Look at the stupid Afghans, Iraqis, etc. DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM and all they got was war and pilage, bloodshed and CHAOS. MORONS!
Fighting for democracy... now that's scary. Imagine a world where 90% of the population fights for democracy. The minority who are outside the norm (say, in intelligence, aptitude, or whatever) would be tyrannized. There's no reasoning with these mobs... they want it their way and that's it. In my opinion, living under an oligarchy or dictatorship would be better than living under a democracy ruled by a mob of stupid people.
I know most of you are not from HK and only see through Social Media about the events unwinding in HK. The Majority of the 7 million population in HK have yet to speak. So far we have at most 300K to 400K people on the street, and that is a likely huge over estimation, trying to say they represent 7 mill.
There is a growing population that is annoyed at how the protesters keep saying they represent all the 7 million. If these protesters are saying they represent Democracy then how does 300k represent 7 mill a Democracy.
What HK needs is a referendum on whether we should have the so called Umbrella Revolution.