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CDC Releases Q&A On Ebola In America As Rumors Swirl Of Second US Case

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Dallas County Health Officials earlier noted at least one person who had been in contact with the first US ebola patient was also being tested for the deasdly virus. They subsequently backed off that statement (oddly). Governor Rick Perry will be holding a press conference later today to calm the public we are sure, but in the meantime, the CDC has issued a helpful Q&A to ensure Americans continued to fly, spend, and consume at their leisure and don't worry about the plague...

 

Rumors conmtinue to swirl of a 2nd case...

 

More color on the second case...

Health officials are closely monitoring a possible second Ebola patient who had close contact with the first patient to be diagnosed in the U.S., the director of Dallas County’s health department said Wednesday.

 

All who have been in close contact with the diagnosed patient are being monitored as a precaution, said Zachary Thompson, director of Dallas County Health and Human Services.

 

“Let me be real frank to the Dallas County residents: The fact that we have one confirmed case, there may be another case that is a close associate with this particular patient,” he said. “So this is real. There should be a concern, but it’s contained to the specific family members and close friends at this moment.”

And The CDC issues a Q&A on Ebola in America... (via AP)

U.S. health officials have warned for months that someone infected with Ebola could unknowingly carry the virus to this country, and there is word now that it has happened: A traveler in a Dallas hospital became the first patient diagnosed in the U.S.

Texas health officials said there were no other suspected cases in the state, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention immediately sought to calm fears that one case would spread widely.

"Ebola can be scary. But there's all the difference in the world between the U.S. and parts of Africa where Ebola is spreading," CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden said, stressing that U.S. health workers know how to control the virus.

"There is no doubt in my mind that we will stop it here," he told a news conference in Atlanta on Tuesday.

Some questions and answers about the case:

Q: Where did the traveler come from?

A: Liberia, the hardest-hit country in the West African epidemic. The patient left on Sept. 19 and arrived in the U.S. on Sept. 20 to visit family. Frieden wouldn't release the man's nationality or other identifying information, and didn't know how he became infected.

Q: When did the patient get sick?

A: Last Wednesday, and he initially sought care two days later. He was released but returned Sunday when his condition worsened and Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital discovered the West Africa connection, admitting him under strict isolation. Tests confirmed Ebola on Tuesday.

Q: How does Ebola spread?

A: Only through close contact with the bodily fluids of someone who has symptoms, such as fever, vomiting and diarrhea. People aren't contagious until symptoms begin. And Ebola cannot spread through the air.

Q: So who's at risk?

A: Texas health officials already have begun tracking down those close contacts, believed to be mostly the relatives the man stayed with. Officials will check them for symptoms every day for 21 days. Frieden said only about a handful of people are believed to have been exposed.

Q: Could Ebola have spread on the airplane?

A: No, Frieden said, because the man wasn't sick then. The CDC said there is no need to monitor anyone else on those flights and didn't reveal flight information.

Q: Will the patient stay in Dallas?

A: Frieden said there's no need to transfer the man to one of those special isolation units that have gotten so much attention for treating four American aid workers who caught Ebola while volunteering in West Africa. Most hospitals can follow the necessary infection control for Ebola, Frieden said, and the Dallas hospital said it was "well prepared" to safely treat this newest case.

As for those other patients, three have recovered; the fourth remains hospitalized in Atlanta.

Q: How will this patient be treated?

A: Good hydration and IV nutrition have proven to be key for those other patients. Frieden said the hospital was discussing experimental treatments. A Tekmira Pharmaceuticals drug called TKM-Ebola and blood transfusions from an Ebola survivor were given to one of the recently infected U.S. aid workers.

Q: Could there be more travelers with Ebola?

A: No one's ruling it out. People boarding planes in the outbreak zone are checked for fever, but that does not guarantee that an infected person won't get through.

Airlines are required to report any deaths on a flight or ill travelers meeting certain criteria to the CDC before arriving in the U.S. If a traveler is infectious or exhibiting symptoms during or after a flight, the CDC will conduct an investigation of exposed travelers and take any necessary public health action.

Q: What if I'm worried about exposure?

A: Call the CDC for more information at 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636).

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So continue about your business... nothing to see here...

 

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Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:30 | 5274702 1stepcloser
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we've gone exponential, 100% increase in 24 hours...oh dear lord

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:34 | 5274710 y3maxx
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...Desperate to take American & European minds off of Carpet bombing in Syria ....to get that Gas Pipeline built ASAP from Qatar to Europe....second source to avoid Russian monopoly

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:35 | 5274727 1stepcloser
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Can the Dallas Fed print our way out of this?  Thats my first question LOL

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:47 | 5274782 BaBaBouy
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YES ... Don't Don't Don't WORRY ...

AND ... Don't Worry About ISIS Either, Your Chances Of Getting Your Head Cut Off Are About
The Same As A Bankster Getting Prosecuted...

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:50 | 5274810 BaBaBouy
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EVOLUTION Of Our WORLD ...

Osama, Obama, Ebola .....

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:51 | 5274819 JohnnyBriefcase
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OBOLA

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:58 | 5274855 Colonel Klink
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We can now refer to this whole epidemic as Obamada Strain.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:53 | 5275080 TruthInSunshine
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Dallas Ebola Victim Likely Acquired His Infection During Flight -YouTube

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW_jvTSNvxo
10 hours ago - 3 min - Uploaded by polyglot

Check out CDC timeline for median time first symptoms appear 5.5 days from time of contraction of Ebola virus.

Do the math given the time of the Dallas patient's flight itinerary from Africa to U.S., and presentation of first symptoms.

This guy in video uses timeline & CDC's own data (median 5.5 day period between contraction & 1 st symptoms) demonstrate greater than 50% likelihood Dallas Ebola patient was infected during flight to U.S., meaning there is at least one more (and likely more than one more - given 17 1/2 hour flight) infected person on flight.

And think about this; assuming CDC could successfully track each possible person exposed to "Patient Dallas," it takes quarantine room & average of 25 properly (standard of care & containment) vetted health workers to monitor, treat and/or keep person isolated.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:57 | 5275190 BraveSirRobin
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problem with the video - it is now October 1st, and by the data we should have had the hypothetical first infected person on the flight either in hospital or dead by now. The absence or reporting is not proof, but there is no reporting to indicated the scenario in the video, so given the passage of time, it is not likely.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:06 | 5275232 TruthInSunshine
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1) Assuming "Dallas Patient" is not patient zero on flight, CDC hasn't tracked Patient Zero (or admitted it).

2) Median delay between contraction of Ebola virus and onset of symptoms is 5 1/2 delays; this can range all the way to 21 days. Theoretically, Patient Zero could display symptoms well after "Dallas Patient" has/did.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:10 | 5275235 hedgeless_horseman
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Signs and symptoms of flu

People who have the flu often feel some or all of these signs and symptoms:

  • Fever* or feeling feverish/chills
  • Cough
  • Sore throat
  • Runny or stuffy nose
  • Muscle or body aches
  • Headaches
  • Fatigue (very tired)
  • Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults.

 

Symptoms of Ebola include

  • Fever (greater than 38.6°C or 101.5°F)
  • Severe headache
  • Muscle pain
  • Weakness
  • Diarrhea
  • Vomiting
  • Abdominal (stomach) pain
  • Unexplained hemorrhage (bleeding or bruising)

 

Are they going to quarantine everyone with flu symptoms?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:11 | 5275247 TruthInSunshine
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3) Close contact sufficient to transmit Ebola Virus is a 3 foot diameter, and chances of transmission with that proximity or closer increase statistically with time. Flight on commercial airliner from Africa to U.S. Is close to 20 hours without any stop-overs.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:23 | 5275309 walküre
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His flight details, nationality and origin should be made public by now. They still think they're in charge of this. Stupid assholes.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 12:05 | 5275522 Patriot Eke
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Regardless, if people here haven't already done it, now's the time to cut sugar out of your diet and add oregano and garlic to it.  The best defense against any virus is an immune system that's strong at the time of exposure.  No one can force you to make those decisions now, but waiting to strengthen your immune system until after infection is very unwise.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 14:49 | 5276433 Mad Muppet
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"Dallas Ebola Victim Likely Acquired His Infection During Flight"

You mean via the mile-high-fever club?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:57 | 5274862 pods
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Ted Kennedy has still killed more Americans than Ebola has.

pods

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:28 | 5275035 Blano
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I'm stealing that.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:48 | 5275154 Kirk2NCC1701
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[PA announcement] "Obola Air flight 666 for Washington, via Diego Garcia and Tel Aviv boarding now."

"First Class passengers and those requiring Exceptional Assistance may board first"

Guaranteed not to make it to Tel Aviv.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:02 | 5275215 emersonreturn
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he's earned his new name.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:45 | 5274786 Rememberweimar
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Over the coming months and years you will see Ebola spread to every continent.

But you will never see one case in Israel.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:16 | 5275278 Relentless
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until its introduced in gaza

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:55 | 5275485 USisCorrupt
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Brad Pitt will bring it in with the remake of World War Z.

 

See how movies really do come to LIFE!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:46 | 5274789 pods
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All I know is the bean counters at the CDC are orgasming over how much cash will be dumped on them.

Like the AIDS/HIV thing all over again.

pods

 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:54 | 5274844 McCormick No. 9
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Tekmira Pharmaceuticals up 17% today. Thanks for the plug CDC! (How much Tekmira do you own, Frieden?????)

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:31 | 5275043 29.5
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depending on how you look at it, it's actually down a buck from the open this morning. Those big gains were carried over from AH yesterday.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:25 | 5275316 walküre
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I call those "Armageddon trades"

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:43 | 5274746 DoChenRollingBearing
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I am not an expert.  I was not first on ebola in the USA.  But I did see how our President Obama was either asleep at the switch or just allowed this in...  Ebola is deadly!

From August 4, but I still do not see the possibilities being discussed of MOAR Ebola due to our open border along Mexico.  Thanks, Obama.

"President Ebola"

http://goo.gl/z7Oron

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:47 | 5274796 Rememberweimar
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PRESIDENT EBOLA!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:53 | 5274831 Sudden Debt
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said "IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT!"

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:51 | 5274818 sushi
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According to news reports the Dallas ebola victim had no contact with any person in Liberia afflicted with ebola. The victim only had contact with "healthy" folks and did not engage in an exchange of precious bodily fluids, or lick eyeballs, or finger paint with bloody vomit.

Yet he somehow contracted ebola.

This fact would appear to suggesst that there is some means of infection which does not require the presence of visible signs of ebola infection. Persons who appear to be in all respects "normal" and healthy may transfer the virus.

If this is proved true then those persons who associated with the Dallas victim prior to his symptoms becoming apparent may also be at risk of infection. This would include the passngers of the various flights that brought him from Libera to Dallas, including all of the likely brush contacts made as he moved through the crowded air transit terminals.

 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:07 | 5274910 Bad Attitude
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You're just trying to cause panic. The nice gentleman from the CDC said there was nothing to worry about, and that government health officials had everything under control...

Unfortunately, local DFW news said the CDC statements are intended to prevent panic. The ambulance crew who took the infected man to the hospital is bein quarantined/isolated for 21 days. The local Liberian community held a meeting last night, despite being told not to gather in large groups

And, this Ebola case is a nice destruction from the Central American respiratory virus infecting our school children across the nation.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:13 | 5274955 NumberNone
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If prevention is as simple as washing your hands can someone explain to me how any medical professionals working in the hot zone ever caught this disease with all the precautions they must have been taking?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:26 | 5275325 walküre
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google some images of bush hospitals in Africa and you understand why.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:06 | 5274916 Kinskian
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Are West Africans known for their honesty?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 12:33 | 5275144 Government need...
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He was prolly bangin' a dozen hoes erry day.  Each hoe was also gettin' split by a dozen other brothaz, some of whom were 'working' at the local fast food restaurants, takin' ice out da ben.  When the CDC director says 'We got this', he fails to account for a universal truth.  Bruthaz gonna bang hoes, hoes gonna hoe, and thez gonna serve icy cold drinks at fast food restaurants.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:08 | 5274924 Chupacabra-322
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Ponder this for a moment, Bear in mind how many flights that same jet has taken since then with people on board now potentially infected. Do the math. Chilling.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:19 | 5274989 RadioactiveRant
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I have no idea what the situation is like in the US but if you turn up at A&E in the UK unless it looks like you've had a stroke, a heart attack, or will bleed to death you typically spend a few hours waiting to be seen. How many triage nurses, doctors and reception staff might he have infected at the hospital itself? He was obviously contagious when he made his way there, which could have been by bus/taxi.

 

Given global economy is on its knees, collectively our leaders are hoping this goes away rather than damage any growth by quarantining anyone that does require overseas travel long enough to ensure this can't spread. At the time of the Spanish flu epidemic in 1918 most international travel was by boat and the journey time itself would have exposed the symptom-less sick. This could be far worse because we all travel more, and faster.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:04 | 5275225 BraveSirRobin
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This is my convern for the vector - the emergency room waiting area. I have not seen a report, but I assume he initially presented to an emergency room during the visit when he was sent away. These are often, though not always, crowed with sick people waiting to be seen. Lots of runny noses, tears, etc., that is, lot of body fluids being spread around in close proximity, and because they are uncomfortable, people get up and move from chair to chair to find a place that feels better. And yet the CDC is not saying anything about tracing these folks. Perhaps they are, but they are not saying, as far as I can tell.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:29 | 5275337 walküre
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12 - 18 people

maybe 19 - 35 ?

random shit they make up

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:44 | 5275130 xtop23
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I'm still not convinced of an airborne strain although I wouldn't rule it out. Assuming that is true.....

.....my guess would be food contamination as the vector in which he received the virus.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:54 | 5274839 juggalo1
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Odd...  I must have missed the part where you said what you would have done to prevent Ebola spreading to the US.  Are you advocating for a Berlin-style wall along the southern border with a refusal of entry for anyone who has travelled to West Africa in the past three weeks?  I haven't heard any proposals or debate about limiting travel into the US due to Ebola.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:06 | 5274906 DoChenRollingBearing
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Likewise I have heard nothing about limiting travel to the USA.  I am not sure what is feasible (say, travel to the USA via Paris...).

Controling the southern border, at least better than we are now, would lessen the risks of ebola coming in via Mexico.

I mentioned that I am no expert.  I do believe we have a massive and dangerous failure of leadership at the very top.  Nor do I see ObamaCare helping this or..., anything.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:21 | 5275296 Mensch
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But Ebola is on the north side of the border, no confirmed cases in Central/South America.  Sounds like Mexico should be building the fence...

The airplane vector is the scariest.  And I think our leaders aren't doing the safe thing (shutting down travel from W. Africa) for fear of upsetting airlines and disrupting global trade when every market is on a hair trigger anyways.  So yeah, we might all die from greed, essentially.  Could it really be another way?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:29 | 5275258 emersonreturn
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good to see you, dochen. 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:40 | 5274756 Sudden Debt
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Just imagine the panick when it rises another 50% in the comming weeks/moths/years....

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:40 | 5274761 Dr. Engali
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That's 150% when you factor in seasonal adjustments.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:53 | 5274792 Sudden Debt
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and when will they launch the Ebola ETF and the Ebola Turbo Long ETF???

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 12:28 | 5275653 Government need...
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Would be funny to launch the 100x leveraged 'DOOM' ETF.  Use the system's fraud to bring down the system.  I gotta tail, and I can wag that dog.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:54 | 5274827 44MagnumPrepper
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The next 72 hours will be the litmust test...  Honestly though I'm not worried about the 1st patient.  There is a lot of man power to contact trace this patient.  I'm worried about patient #25, when EVD in the U.S. isn't even news worthy anymore and everyon's moved onto the next NFL flub.  You know, when cold and flu season is at it's peak.  That's when it could really do some damage.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:56 | 5274852 juggalo1
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I'm sorry.  I didn't know the virus incubated for less than 72 hours.  I thought it was 2-3 weeks.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:25 | 5275025 44MagnumPrepper
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Within 72 hours we should see other people that he infected (after he became "hot") start showing up sick themselves.  If there are no further patients in 72 hours we should be OK.  

If there are more people that he got sick, that are right now spreading the virus, God help us.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:31 | 5275041 adr
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Most patients start to show symptoms within 5-7 days. Sone take as long as 14 days. Anyone that was infected will be in the peak period over the next 72 hours. Either new cases show up, or they don't. 

Of the 12-15 people he had close contact with are clear, we'll most likely know soon. The big problem was he was symptomatic and sent home then returned to the hospital when his condition worsened. They didn't treat him as an Ebola patient until after they found out he had been to Africa.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:52 | 5274828 44MagnumPrepper
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Duplicate post, my bad.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:00 | 5274868 Bangin7GramRocks
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I've been running models all day on my Bitcoin supercomputers and the results are in. We will have 47.89 trillion people infected by Christmas! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:26 | 5275020 pods
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#Winning

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:41 | 5275108 IridiumRebel
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#dying

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:47 | 5275145 junction
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Question to CDC: Am I going to die from Ebola?

CDC: Ask the Obama death panel to see if they have your name on THE LIST.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:30 | 5274704 Stoploss
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"There is no doubt in my mind that we will stop it here," he told a news conference in Atlanta on Tuesday."

 

 

LOL!!!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:35 | 5274721 NoDebt
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They meant they could stop that one guy (who is likely going nowhere but into the ground).  The overall spread of the disease, not so much.  Details, baby.  Details.  Like what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:58 | 5274859 effendi
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The detail that I want to know is how do they define close contact. 

He went to a hospital and presumably touched handrails, lift buttons, waiting room seats and counters; perhaps also used the rest room. Presumably his symptoms included sweaty hands (and buttocks on the toilet seat). 

So is anybody who touched any of those surfaces within a few minutes now identified? Especially as they are probably people in poor health/weak immune systems (it was a hospital after all with lots of sick people) and perfect to catch anything going around a waiting room (a disease incubator).

 

 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:13 | 5274952 NoDebt
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Close contact:  Can you see them from where you are?  You're close.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:53 | 5275173 Government need...
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What's really the topper is how everyone is relaxing in the thought that only direct contact with infected blood/feces can lead to infection.  OK, you're good as long as you dont purchase any ice-laden drinks from restaurants.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-...

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 12:26 | 5275638 Citxmech
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Check this out:

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C) Footnote52 Footnote61. One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature Footnote61.  In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa) Footnote53. When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days Footnote61. This information is based on experimental findings only and not based on observations in nature. This information is intended to be used to support local risk assessments in a laboratory setting.

A study on transmission of ebolavirus from fomites in an isolation ward concludes that the risk of transmission is low when recommended infection control guidelines for viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed Footnote64. Infection control protocols included decontamination of floors with 0.5% bleach daily and decontamination of visibly contaminated surfaces with 0.05% bleach as necessary.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:36 | 5274736 Dr. Engali
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The hubris of these ball suckers is breath taking. THey all need to be strung up.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:38 | 5274745 Dr. Richard Head
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This ought to make TSA agents a little less aggressive with their freedom touching. 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:41 | 5274759 fonzannoon
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Now is the best time to whip out your balls and cough your ass off. 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:56 | 5274853 pods
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I used to regret the yearly hernia check at school with old Ebeneezer Ball Squeezer.
Betcha his old ass is regretting that famous line.  "Give me a little cough" at the moment.

pods 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:03 | 5274889 Savyindallas
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No , they won't stop groping  -so you'd best stay away from airports and possible physical contacts with TSA agents  -a lot of them are African nationals anyway.  

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:48 | 5275150 Helix6
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Actually, I always do the pat-down thing at airports rather than going through the "capture everything there is to know about this fucker's body" porn machines. To their credit, I've always found the TSA pat-down people to be very respectful.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:53 | 5274771 Winston Churchill
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When you're told you're 'exceptional' from the cradle, what else do you

expect Doc ?

They actually believe that crap.

What easier way to con the mark.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:54 | 5275180 Government need...
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If this goes geometric, I hope I survive so I can administer justice. . .

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:37 | 5275079 1000yrdstare
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"There is no doubt in my mind that we will stop it here,"

 

 

That sounds just like that "Subprime is contained" thing I heard awhile back....

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:54 | 5275182 Government need...
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Yup, we're the government, and we're here to help.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 13:08 | 5275879 Things that go bump
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When the 1918 flu epidemic hit my grandmother was a young wife with a baby, and she lost her entire family. Her husband and child died within a week of each other. Think about the implications of that. If its not stopped this will become personal for all of us, and those of us who survive will each eat our hearts for grief. When a species overpopulates a disease comes along to thin them out. This is how nature handles that; otherwise, the world would be overrun with rabits. I'm not an epidemiologist, but I've read enough history and science to understand how these things happen. Their belief that they can stop it is hubris - if this is not the disease there is another one in our future. If this is the one, once it breaks out in ernest they are going to do terrible things to try and stop the unstoppable. Failing that, they are going to do terrible things to cover up their culpability. They have taken a terrible risk with all our lives for the sake of the economy, and commerce is deadly in times of plague. The black death traveled along the Silk Road. I only heard my grandmother speak about the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic once. She said that whole year went by in a blur for her, and she didn't remember many details, but it was winter, and they couldn't bury the dead because the ground was frozen. Her father's property was close to the funeral home, so they stored the community's dead in his barn.  

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:32 | 5274705 auntiesocial
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all flights from Africa should only go to Washington DC until we resolve the problem. 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:38 | 5274744 Colonel Klink
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Via Israel first!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:45 | 5274787 Truther
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Then London... Downing Street to be exact...

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:02 | 5274876 Savyindallas
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wouldn't harm them. I'm sure they all have antidotes  -after all, they and the CIA likely created Ebola. 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 12:06 | 5275531 auntiesocial
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you just had to one up me, didn't you?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:54 | 5274837 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Flight MH-666 boarding now"

[plays riff from AC/DC]

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:32 | 5274708 quasimodo
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God forbid the stupid fuckers at the helm put a ban on flights to and from those coutries in question. That light bulb burned out months ago when this whole thing started.

 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:06 | 5274901 N2OJoe
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But then how would they manufacture the crisis?

We all know that:

"You never let a good crisis go to waste"

-Rahm Emanuel fmr Obola chief of staff

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:20 | 5274996 Colonel Klink
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Ah Rahm, I miss the carnage that old tribe member creates.

But ShitCongo doesn't!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:33 | 5275052 MeMongo
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I was gonna ask Congo? But Mongo sees what you did there:-) BTW cut the sap a break....he lost a finger at Arby's...you know a real salt of the eatrth kinda guy!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:32 | 5274712 Yes We Can. But...
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Economy.  Grinding. To. Halt.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:34 | 5274713 IridiumRebel
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pool shock

gloves

masks

tyvek suits 

stored food

stored gas

stored water

medical supplies

wife is an NP

bugout farm at ready

ammo

multiple protective devices

GET READY. IF YOU AIN'T PREPARED YOU WILL BE FUCKED.

I moved my family to rural Ohio last year from NYC and the ER nurses my wife used to work with ARE SHITTING BRICKS.

Sell your weak positions cuz this fucker is gonna crash. GLTA 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:41 | 5274774 Sudden Debt
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Can you add some protein bars to your shopping list?

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j330/P-mag/Dilbert073111.gif

 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:59 | 5274869 IridiumRebel
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Family is 80% of our bugout/farm and town which includes a dairy farm. it's a veritable army. I suggest to anyone that we should be avoided and help will not be given.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:44 | 5274779 Truther
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I.R., You got that right.... People will SHITTIN BLOOD and not Bricks this time around.

Get ready BITCHEZ>>>> It's here.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:24 | 5275016 yabyum
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Going to be tough staffing the hospital in about a week.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:39 | 5275098 IridiumRebel
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When the ER nurses in Dallas get sick and die, you will see many not show up. 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:56 | 5275189 Government need...
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Also fled NYC beginning 2013, spouse was nurse in big hosp there.  SOOOO glad we out.  Short restaurant stocks.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:33 | 5274715 g'kar
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Someone is making a lot of money on this farce.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:51 | 5274823 pods
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Well to be factually correct, Ebola is not a farce.
The risk to the average schmuck NOT confined in West Point in Liberia, well that one has been blown up.

CDC is just like any other government agency.  The first priority of the agency is to keep the agency alive.

It is terrifying to think about you coughing up your bronchi, but in reality, the risk of this is non existent for the vast majority of people.

pods

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:22 | 5275004 g'kar
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Ebola is not a farce, the importation and exploitation of it is.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:33 | 5274718 thatthingcanfly
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I'm not ready to press the panic button over this just yet.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:37 | 5274741 NoDebt
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You and Al Huxley.  The rest of us have already 'sheltered in place' under our beds with our laptops and tablets the only connection to the outside world.

In all seriousness, if you don't get scared shitless at the drop of a pin, you don't belong on ZH.  ;)

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:45 | 5274769 thatthingcanfly
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Maybe we could use some of that "highly radioactive" and methane-laden fracking water with super-secret toxic chemicals to fight Ebola. Lookie! I have some right here in my water tap! Problem solved.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:55 | 5274849 sleigher
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That was funny.  

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:06 | 5274909 pods
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I always thought that many comments were just snarky sarcasm.

Now seeing "CIA created Ebola" and other such nonsense, I am not quite so sure.

Yeah, the CIA could have created Ebola, and a fruit bat might fly out of my ass.

pods

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:50 | 5275157 thatthingcanfly
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Was that an "Army of Darkness" reference? If so, nice.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:47 | 5274791 LULZBank
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You guys dont have to jump, everytime the Simon says Jump!!

If this ebola was the real deal, there wouldn't be 3000 US troops in Liberia and half of Africa would be dead by now.

Trust, if there ever will be a deadly contagious virus, God forbid, none of these ass clowns will be around there for hundreds of miles.

Only if it is controlled and on purpose.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:36 | 5275087 IridiumRebel
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Pandemics do not move like the movies. 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:02 | 5275216 Winston Churchill
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Like anywhere the US is deployed, look behind the excuse to the real reason.

I'm sure oil might just factr into it.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:35 | 5274724 Dr. Engali
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Q: Could Ebola have spread on the airplane?

A: No, Frieden said, because the man wasn't sick then. The CDC said there is no need to monitor anyone else on those flights and didn't reveal flight information.

 

These fuckers lie throught their teeth. I have an idea, stop any flights out of and into our country from those shitholes.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:51 | 5274825 ss123
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How we know that this person didn't get it from someone else on the plane?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:53 | 5274832 yogibear
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"These fuckers lie throught their teeth."

Just think what would happen if they told the truth.  Airline flights would drop.

It's all about the money, not what what they should do.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:04 | 5274896 Sweet Chicken
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BINGO

 

 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:05 | 5274907 smokintoad
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About a month or so ago I examined the CDC webpages on Ebola.  They were being frequently updated and it looks like they still are being changed now.   Anyway they added something to the effect of "Ebola could be transmitted by contact with an infected person" marked with an asterisk.  The small print stated contact included being within 3 feet of said person for a period of time.  I checked those pages today and they have removed any mention of the 3 foot guideline.   I think they are more concerned with the P.R. effects of what they say than the actual science.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:59 | 5275202 Government need...
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Studies have shown restaurant ice chests are full of bacteria, including fecal bacteria.  You dont need to believe in airborne transmission to get REAL scared. . .

I'd suggest in the next 3 weeks, pretend you're in Mexico when you order @ the restaurant.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:17 | 5275282 SilverRhino
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I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of bachelors suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.    I fear something terrible has happened; they're going to have to learn how to cook.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:59 | 5274857 sleigher
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Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:21 | 5275000 Max Cynical
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Q: Could Ebola have spread on the airplane?

A: No, Frieden said, because the man wasn't sick then. The CDC said there is no need to monitor anyone else on those flights and didn't reveal flight information.

Still lots of flights to/from the US...

Houston and Atlanta are in the cross hairs.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/DNMM

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:23 | 5275007 fredquimby
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It would appear likely that he did catch it on the plane.

 

 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:35 | 5274729 Stoploss
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You got people changing flights, that went who knows how many directions.

There is no possible way to track any one, since it is air borne now.

Should be in H town soon with the hoppers to IAH etc.

 

We're bringing in extra alligators, the CDC can't contain shit...

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:36 | 5274731 smokintoad
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I wish I could believe that this guy is more competent than the director of the Secret Service and more ethical than the director of the I.R.S.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:42 | 5274775 pupdog1
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And more truthful than General Clapper.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:38 | 5274747 youngman
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Lets see..if I lived in Liberia..and all my friends were dying of Ebola...do you think I would want to leave if I could.....you bet I would...and so many will....so it will spread all over the world....and soon people will be spending more time inside because of the weather...tight enclosed places..perfect for spreading the virus....good luck people

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:03 | 5274881 Howard_Roark0112
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Exactly. Imagine this senario, you live in Liberia and have "family" in the US, during your bus ride to work some zombie pukes in your face... Instead of going to work you a.) lie down in a mass grave or b.) go straight to the airport to buy a ticket to visit your "family" in America and get free world class health care...

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:39 | 5274757 stateside
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VIXY - 

ProShares VIX Short-Term Futures ETF

 

Trading at $20 - should be good for a 5 bagger for those with any spare change laying around.

 

stateside

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:35 | 5275074 IridiumRebel
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TKMR is killin' it. CONX not so much, but my position is negligible. THX!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:42 | 5274763 achilles5008
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I thought the CDC already cured this. Using nano silver at 10ppm?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:41 | 5274764 e_goldstein
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And Ebola cannot spread through the air.

They keep repeating this over and over... and I doubt they are taking into account mosquitoes.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:53 | 5274834 pods
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Or a money shot.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:01 | 5275206 Government need...
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Anyone else have trouble wiping off the load Friedan shot into the ears of every listening American?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:42 | 5274765 Billy Sol Estes
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Time for the Rock'n'Rola Ebola countdown show!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:43 | 5274776 Bobby Lee
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Plane just identified. The Ebola Gay.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:44 | 5274783 vegas
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Don't share your comb with anyone; don't exchange bodily fluids with others; wash your hands frequently; and finally when your eyes start bleeding just remember President Chalky Chavez Goebbels is on the case and assures all Sheeple that ebola can't possibly come to Amerika's shores. If however it does, it's Bush's fault and he just read about it in the newspaper.

 

www.traderzoo.mobi

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:45 | 5274784 kowalli
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bye bye usa.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:49 | 5274806 Utah_Get_Me_2
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http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/pigs-monkeys-ebola-goes-airborne-112112

Yet we are told there is and I quote "zero risk" that this individual infected anyone on the flight from Liberia. This government and CDC's track record in particuliar is downright laughable and we are expected to believe Frieden?! Holy shit if this doesn't wake up the American sheep nothing fucking will. Imagine being one of those 3000 soldiers being sent to that open sore in West Africa.. Now come to the realization that they will be coming home at some point. If this isn't INTENTIONAL (vaccines = $$$$) than this is the most unforgivable lack of competance in the history of mankind.  

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:49 | 5274811 Savvy
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Grand distraction from what's really going on.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:50 | 5274815 Bill of Rights
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Police Board Ohio School Bus And Seize Cap Guns From 6-Year-Old Student | WBNS-10TV Columbus, Ohio

The toy did not have any caps in it. No children were injured but police said some of them were shaken up.

Full on idiocy. Are the police patting themselves on the back now when they show up somewhere and manage to not shoot people?

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:51 | 5274816 yogibear
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"Get to work Mr chairman"
- Chuck Shumer

It's always covering up (printing) or BSing. Hide until it becomes so obvious they can claim they never saw it coming.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:51 | 5274817 holdbuysell
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Good info on disaster preparedness from a former Red Cross personnel.

See week 28 for the applicable scenario in this thread.

http://readynutrition.com/resources/52-weeks-to-preparedness-an-introduc...

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:52 | 5274822 Tjeff1
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"""Q: Could Ebola have spread on the airplane?

A: No, Frieden said, because the man wasn't sick then. The CDC said there is no need to monitor anyone else on those flights and didn't reveal flight information."""

Correct Answer:  If the patient (who told us he was not sick until after the flight) is being truthful then there is little risk to those on the flights.  If he is lying and was sick then there may be some need to monitor those travelers.  Prudent action dictates that we track them down and monitor them to be sure rather than relying on the word of some scared ebola patient that may be just trying to get into better hospital care for the very deadly disease.

 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:01 | 5275217 Government need...
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When you fill the government with folks who have low cognitive ability, you get disaster.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 13:07 | 5275877 Clowns on Acid
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When you add embittered + hateful + low cognitive ability = Obama, Holder, Jeh Johnson. All aboard the Africa Queen, going down the river. 

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 12:27 | 5275657 Farmer Joe in B...
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I sure hope they are tracking all of these people down on the sly.  If they openly disclosed that they're looking for all the people on the flight and tracking them, you'd have panic in a hot second....

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 13:04 | 5275857 Clowns on Acid
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And we know that Liberians never lie... never steal... never cheat... never never never....land.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:57 | 5274851 Utah_Get_Me_2
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When news broke that the Ebola virus had resurfaced in Uganda, investigators in Canada were making headlines of their own with research indicating the deadly virus may spread between species, through the air.

The team, comprised of researchers from the National Centre for Foreign Animal Disease, the University of Manitoba, and the Public Health Agency of Canada, observed transmission of Ebola from pigs to monkeys. They first inoculated a number of piglets with the Zaire strain of the Ebola virus. Ebola-Zaire is the deadliest strain, with mortality rates up to 90 percent. The piglets were then placed in a room with four cynomolgus macaques, a species of monkey commonly used in laboratories. The animals were separated by wire cages to prevent direct contact between the species.

Within a few days, the inoculated piglets showed clinical signs of infection indicative of Ebola infection. In pigs, Ebola generally causes respiratory illness and increased temperature. Nine days after infection, all piglets appeared to have recovered from the disease.

Within eight days of exposure, two of the four monkeys showed signs of Ebola infection. Four days later, the remaining two monkeys were sick too. It is possible that the first two monkeys infected the other two, but transmission between non-human primates has never before been observed in a lab setting.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 09:58 | 5274856 yogibear
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"we've gone exponential, 100% increase in 24 hours...oh dear lord"

Yes, it's an exponential disease.  Just watch what it does to demand and consumerism.

Hospitals and healthcare will be overwhelmed. The modern day black death.


Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:00 | 5274871 Help Is Not Coming
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So ebola is in and around Dallas. What behavioral changes do you make when you live in and around Dallas?

Stop eating out and buying fast food. You have no idea of the state of health of the people preparing your food. Best to avoid it all together and pack your own lunch to work.

Need to gas up your car? Don't pay in cash but pay at the pump and pump you gas while using disposable latex gloves. Everyone around you may look at you funny until their lightbulb goes off and they understand why you are doing that and realize they should be doing it too.

I'm sure that there are many more ways our behaviours are going to change but these two are the first that come to mind.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:08 | 5274918 Hulk
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I hear that the Ebola Burgers in Dallas are just to die for !!!

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:09 | 5274928 pods
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Fuck it, I'm gonna move to Dallas and sell me some Nitrile gloves.

pods

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:20 | 5274972 effendi
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I'm not in Dallas (I'm in Sydney Australia) and as Sydney is the international gateway to Australia it will likely be the first city on this continent hit if ebola spreads globally.

So I've already started my just in case preps. Each week I buy what I normally buy monthly in canned and dried goods. If nothing happens then I won't have to do much shopping for a while, if somrthing happens then I'm ahead of the panic buying.

That is the attitude most of us should be taking before our city is another Dallas. If there are more confirmed cases in Dallas then we will soon see how long before the panic buying starts

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:24 | 5275009 Ralph Spoilsport
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I'm aware that it will be tough, but all ZHers should immediately refrain from eating bush meat from developing nations, especially those where Ebola virus has been found.

http://news92fm.com/482666/ebola-virus-symptoms-and-prevention-tips/

/s

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 10:44 | 5275124 LFMayor
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meh... just dribble a little of the gas on your hands and scrub vigorously.  That should keep you safe.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 11:09 | 5275249 Grouchy Marx
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Yeah, cuz when you light up a smoke while driving away, the flash will kill all viruses. 

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