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China Detains 'Activists', Adopts "Wait-'Em-Out" Tactic As Hong Kong Protest Swells To 300,000
On day four of the OccupyCentral protests in Hong Kong, leaders are expecting the crowds to swell to over 300,000 as National Day celebrations begin. The Chinese government appears to be taking two different approaches to the civil disobedience. First, major crackdowns on the mainland, as FirstPost reports, authorities have detained more than a dozen activists across China and questioned as many as 60 others who expressed support for Hong Kong's pro-democracy protests in recent days. However, the government's approach in Hong Kong appears to be "wait-it-out", a tactic that would rely on Hongkongers not taking part in the protests becoming fed up with the inconvenience caused by the demonstrations. Of course, how long that tactic remains in place (post National Day) is anyone's guess especially as student leaders threaten to escalate protests as their deadline for Leung's resignation looms.
Time-lapse view of the surge in crowds...
Protests are expected to ramp up a gear tonight on the symbolic National Day holiday after student leaders set Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying a deadline of tomorrow to resign before they start occupying government buildings.
So far, Leung has refused to budge, raising a toast with mainland officials at the National Day flag-raising ceremony this morning against a backdrop of jeering protesters outside.
And more lawyers consider legal action against the police's use of force...
More than 370 solicitors and international lawyers issued a statement yesterday condemning the use of force. Police on Sunday fired 87 tear gas canisters, used pepper spray and restrained protesters with batons. "Regardless of the technical legality or otherwise of such use of force by the police, their lack of self-restraint is an affront [to] the rule of law," they said.
The statement followed one by the Bar Association, which deplored the "excessive and disproportionate force" used on demonstrators in Admiralty. The Law Society has been silent.
Police actions have been defended by Chief Secretary Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor as reasonable.
Some of the signatories said they would help demonstrators file personal injury claims over the use of pepper spray and tear gas.
But solicitor and Democrat Albert Ho Chun-yan said such lawsuits would be difficult to win because the court might accept that the police had discretion to enforce the law.
Professor Simon Young Ngai-man, of the University of Hong Kong law faculty, queried the lawfulness of the police actions.
Writing on the faculty's blog, Young said police gave protesters neither enough warning nor enough time to disperse before firing tear gas.
Officers, Young said, aimed tear gas directly at protesters or into crowds, "suggesting that not the minimum level of force was used".
Carter Chim Ting-cheong, a member of the Bar Association's committee on constitutional affairs and human rights, said there were well-established rules that required the police to avoid excessive force while facilitating the safe expression of protesters' opinions.
Executive Council member Fanny Law Fan Chiu-fun apologised to the police for saying they should "explain" why tear gas was used. "I might have used the wrong word." she said, adding the use of tear gas "was reasonable".
Authorities have detained more than a dozen activists across China and questioned as many as 60 others who expressed support for Hong Kong's pro-democracy protests in recent days, campaign groups said Wednesday.
The clampdown comes with Beijing's propaganda machine in overdrive to suppress news of the protests, which are expected to draw their biggest crowds yet as the former British colony begins a two-day public holiday on Wednesday.
Amnesty International put the figures even higher, saying at least 20 were detained and another 60 called in for questioning.
"The rounding up of activists in mainland China only underlines why so many people in Hong Kong fear the growing control Beijing has in their city's affairs," Amnesty's China researcher William Nee said in a statement.
The group called on Chinese authorities to "immediately release all those being detained for peacefully expressing their support for protesters in Hong Kong".
A group of "up to 20 citizens" were seized by police on Tuesday in the southern metropolis of Guangzhou, near Hong Kong, after gathering in a city park to voice support for the pro-democracy camp, according to CHRD.
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"All problems that affect the party's creativity, cohesiveness and effectiveness must be addressed, all illnesses that harm the party's advanced nature and purity completely cured and all tumours grown on the healthy organism of the party removed," he added, according to the official Xinhua news agency.
But in Hong Kong, amid the actual protests, the government is adopting a different strategy...
Leung Chun-ying, Hong Kong's chief executive, has adopted a new strategy to marshal the city's widespread pro-democracy protests: allow the demonstrations to continue until the protesters tire or lose support from the wider public, according to a person familiar with the matter.
The impetus to resolve the standoff peacefully has come from the Chinese government in Beijing, this person said.
"Beijing has set a line to C.Y. You cannot open fire," this person said. "You must halt it in a peaceful way."
The thinking behind the tactic is to resolve the standoff by peaceful means and comes after a move on Sunday to deploy tear gas backfired on the government.
"The strategy is to control the situation and let them occupy until a time that the inconvenience caused to others in Hong Kong will swing the public opinion against Occupy or pressure the organizers to call it off," this person said. "They can wait to a time the public opinion will swing."
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Despite shutdowns on Instagram, images still escape and with the eyes of the world on China's treatment of these free-speech-advocates, it is perhaps no surprise they switched tactics (for now) but if student leaders escalate and occupy government buildings as they promised to do if Leung does not resign, then all bets are off....
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looking forward to Obama condemning the use of force and tear gas on protestors.
He'll be sending military gear to HK police to better protect students' civil rights.
China would be absolutely crazy to do anything but observe in this situation.
Only option is to sit aside and watch this play out. If they enter into it, trying to control it somehow they'll get supremely fucked by the world media (that is to say media outside of China).
I imagine a confirmed case of Ebola in HK would disperse the crowds. Is it possible that the mainland government could accidently allow an infected person from Liberia to enter?
Message to Putin:
a confirmed case of Ebola in each of Odessa, Nikolaiev, Dnepetropetrovsk, Kiev would do wonders to rid the Ukraine of USSA NGO's operatives and blackwater criminals, hint hint.
Why can't we do this here....oh wait EBT spread through this land
Message to US Congress:
Fascism has Limits even in Totalitarian China. Since US Congress has Abdicated it's Budget Powers... Obviously you can expect states like Texas to want to Secede... and Mexican Americans to demand California or part of it to Secede.
Movements that advocate Aztlán
- Mexica Movement
- Brown Berets
- MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán, "Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán")
- Nation of Aztlán
- Plan Espiritual de Aztlán
- Freedom Road Socialist Organization, which calls for self-determination for the Chicano nation in Aztlan up to and including the right to secession.[7]
During the Avian Flu scare of 2005-2006, airports in HK and Taipei/Taiwan had IR cameras on tripods, to visually see the body temp of people.
The units were calibrated to show the false-color gradients for ranges of body temperatures. Anyone with a fever was flagged and taken aside. That's good reason not to run through the airport and get all hot -- lest you lose time anyway, by getting detained.
Those cams (which are now permanently installed) are still active, at least in TW.
Not sure about HK. Had heard that they were now using a much larger and more sophisticated commercial version where they can monitor an entire hallway section leading to customs.
Lucky for the Chinese, they are not such 2-Dimensional or Linear thinkers - the way 'Mericans are.
They can just as devious as the "Other 3000 year old culture" in their ways and means. E.g., they could use the POISON THE WELL Stratagem...
Poison the Rally/Movement, by inserting it with tons of trouble-makers, hooligans and faux "terrorists". Anything and everything to discredit the crowd, including filthy personal hygiene (of urinating and defecating all over the place), and alienate it with the rest of HK population.
p.s. Note that historically, the Elite (Aristocrats and Bankers) have learned to Infiltrate and Hijack the leadership of any potentially dangerous org, rather than "Ban" them or "Shut them down". These devious ways are far more effective and efficient than the "Bull in the China Shop" approach.
p.s. This (Poisoned Well stratagem) is what the Russians could've and should've done in Kiev, to prevent CIA's 5th Column from rising. I hope they've learned their lesson in Deviousness, in their Spy vs. Spy game.
Hong Kong Protest Swells To 300,000American sheeple protesting the invasion of the "unaccompanied & diseased minors" from south of the border.....
none.
The authorities have them all in the same spot....round em up Kato
When the Occupy guys were on wall st, Jaime Dimon made a 13m contribution to the NYPD and they were promptly dealt with. In Ferguson they had Mraps... I'm pretty sure the USA is the worst place to riot.
"The strategy is to control the situation and let them occupy until a time that the inconvenience caused to others in Hong Kong will swing the public opinion against Occupy or pressure the organizers to call it off," this person said. "They can wait to a time the public opinion will swing."
well, doesn't that sound familiar...
A little fire and a couple of wrecking balls should get someone's attention.
The students are jobless PLUS they rather hang out on the streets than go back to school....this can take a long long time to resolve.
10yr yield down 10bps
D D Deflation ...
The other day a woman was told she would be arrested if she did not stop recording police who were arresting a 3rd person, despite the fact that the SCOTUS has ruled, more than once, that people have a perfect right to film police in public.
She retreated into her home, continued filming, and police forcibly entered her home, without warrant, and arrested her.
There will be no protests, and we can only be glad that she was not holding a cell phone or wallet, which could have been perceived as a gun, which could have resulted in a barrage of gunfire.
The current answer is to get the gun and badge thugs' names, and the names of anyone else involved, and add those names to one's Crimes Against the American People List (CAAPL).
This will enable having them held accountable for their crimes when the time comes.
An American, not US subject.
In addition to the Four Rs, the American people should be compiling a list, call it the Crimes Against the American People List (CAAPL)?? A list of known pol, crat, functionaries (funcs) and bankster criminals in their sphere of influence.
Oath violating and treasonous gun and badge thugs, corrupt pols and crats, thieving banksters, etc. should be placed on it. Their names, crimes, and positions should be, at a minimum, kept for future reference for accountability, trial and punishment..
When the DC US finally collapses, these lists can then be used to root out the known criminals that will think that they can hide among their victims--no "Truth and Reconciliation" and no quarter.
Let 'em have democracy. Five years from now, the ringleaders can look at the new batch of protestors from their office windows and get pissed at them for chanting for 'democracy now'.
New boss, same as the old boss.
China please keep those students healthy in prison.
So that when drunks need a new liver, crackheads need a new brain or ISIS needs heads, they know where they can get em.
from Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.globalresearch.ca/more-washington-lies-hong-kong-isis-ebola-a...
Whatever is occurring in Hong Kong, it bears no relation to what is being reported about it in the Western print and TV media. These reports spin the protests as a conflict between the demand for democracy and a tyrannical Chinese government
Ming Chun Tang in the alternative media CounterPunch says that the protests are against the neoliberal economic policies that are destroying the prospects of everyone but the one percent. In other words, the protests are akin to the American occupy movement.
Another explanation is that once again, as in Kiev, gullible westernized students have been organized by the CIA and US-financed NGOs to take to the streets in hopes that the protests will spread from Hong Kong to other Chinese cities. The Chinese, like the Russians, have been extremely careless in permitting Washington to operate within their countries and to develop fifth columns.
The 'Wolfowitz Doctrine' is alive & well, in its myriad permutations and locations worldwide... The 5000 year-old perfected art of getting in between two parties and $skimming the $proceeds off the poison they inject. Simply a marvel to behold. But the 'other' 5000 year old civilization is keen to this as well and has methods of dealing with it.
more details here for those interested, no surprise, more $Billions, and yes on Wolfowitz
http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/01/hong-kong-s-occupy-central-is-us-backe...
Lai’s liasons with notorious Neo-Con Wolfowitz should be no surprise – as NED, the principle director of Washington’s vast portfolio of political agitators worldwide is rife with Neo-Cons who intermingle both on NED’s board of directors, as well as in various other corporate-financier funded think tanks. NED itself is merely a front, couching geopolitical and corporate-financier interests behind the cover of “promoting freedom” and “democracy” around the world.
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/01/hong-kong-s-occupy-central-is-us-backed-sedition/
why don't these countries set-up similar organizations here
Marktes crashing and the White House still supporting it?
WHEN this happens in the US (and it shall), they'll start on ZH to round up "activists" (aka, "domestic terrorists")....
The Hans will turn off the water. Maximum wait time: 5 days.
It's a holiday over there today. The shootings will begin tomorrow. We thought we were using rubber bullets and water cannons but didn't.
Worth raising the question(s) again given the Soros funded NGO event now taking place in Hong Kong because China's CB is being uncooperative with Goldman and JPM...
The students in Hong Kong would be well served asking about the latest 9/11 chapter so that it never happens in their Country!...
Not a fan of the Chinese or Indian government(s) given their mutual involvement and deals they made with the U.S. government in hauling away the evidence from Ground Zero, so it would be wise to take an official poll to raise the question if they think NYCCAN's proposal for an investigation into the free fall accelerated collapse of the Twin towers and Building 7 in 2009 and then it's latest "High Rise Safety Initiative" 2014 should be placed on New York City's ballot again?...
More importantly the second question should be, why they think being just like America is so important when the Federal Government has twice used outside corporate interests to influence the NYC court system to "shoot down" yet again another attempt at an investigation?...
Someone out there in Hong Kong that has been tracking this one over the last 5 years, please feel free to do your stuff and ask those students in Hong Kong how important it is for them to be just like the U.S.A. these days given the words of "fear" coming from the mouth of this co-conspirator and war criminal?!!!
After all?... "High Rise Safety" isn't just for Americans and America's building(s) alone!
It's not all about the USA.
How about being just like Chile? Mexico? Finland? Sweden? Any Parliamentary Democracy? Any Social Democratic government?
Freedom is not limited to a USA model.
As a matter of fact USA freedom is twirling down the drain as we speak
Freedom is not limited to a USA model.
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Attempted "up arrowing" on your comment(s) but for some reason the words you posted next the applet that manages the arrow count might be blocking it.
Concur with your assessment. However those other deomcratic nation(s) that you site including Russia (which you didn't) is one of the most important leaders in the free world because of it's vast energy wealth and "sound money" and banking which is the reason the U.S., England and Israel made the very regrettable and dangerous attempt at invading Ukraine.
All these countries have to speak up about America's war crimes and that 9/11 which is still unresolved and the victims who have still been denied justice 13 years later is the ultimate narrative that has been and will continue to be used as the "bully pulpit" in advancing their agenda even though it's bank(s) and military are now clearly exposed and weaker than they have ever have been in there history!
Since the American people are indifferent to their own government's folly, perhaps these other Nation(s) including Russia, China, India, Iran and Brazil can make the necessary statements that will urge American lawmakers to raise questions and resolve the most deadly alleged "foreign attack" in U.S. history that still serves American and international interests most important among them big oil.
Where's the cia gun drops?
those are a little late. we should have done that for those poor fuckers back in '89.
Tear gas and other violent means simply worsen the problem.
The Chinese authorities I suspect will eventually use more subtle means by channelling food to the protestors that will induce at least some form of food poisoning.
These events are always unpredictable due to muscalculations by either side.
The demented "pro-protesters" at zh want the authorities to brutalize the students, killing and maiming them, so that these "pro-protesters" can drink beer and eat peanuts in the comfort of their homes in America, pleased with the evidence in the media that the Chinese government is more tyrannical than and not as nice as the American one.
Looks like they have racketeering Power-Base Hijackers among them.
I've seen a TWNese groups with enclaves in City of Industry, Ranch Palos Verdes, and near Little Tokyo.
Had a group of TWN types cause problems for me when I worked at a JPN owned bank - they were trying to call it an "Asian Bank, not a Japanese Bank" - stalking and harassing me at the Palos Verdes Library.
One TWNese Man claiming to teach Buddhism Courses there (borrowing a conference room), implied they they were engaged in a "Coup" regarding my Projects.
I presume they're affilliated with Falun Gong (they were present when I was meeting someone in SD and were demonstrating outside CHN's LA Consulate the day I went up to talk about Venture Capital Contacts, Elon Musk Backers (Tesla Outlet next to, and in same bldg as the Starbucks that hosted TWNese hecklers every time I dropped by the store), and some bizzare troupe of anarchists posing as "Democracy Activists".
Funny to see the local Christians backing them - do so in pure ignorance at the expense of the Veterans.
Los Angeles pwned by TWNese Thugs in bed with VAT, Illegals, and every Fringe Group imaginable. Should rest of America just disown it?
CCP in no win situation ...will use force AGAIN because the outcome is revolution and regime change if they dont do any thing and slow it down for another period of time if they do. Th CCP will hang on to power at any cost...PLA tank,s and APC's warming up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkQh7a86mRo&index=16&list=WL
cia go on fucking holiday please im getting really fucking bored of your set peice destabilisation routines
oh and dont come back
evar
I find it difficult to understand why the Hong Kong protesters feel they have the right to tell Beijing not to vet election candidates... Why should Hong Kong have rights that we don't have here in our free democracy?? after all, we get to choose who runs for President here....don't we???????....??????....?????
Sorry, it's a link and not just a comment. You KNOW it's fudgy when the banks and financial institutions support "Occupy Central" when they were so hostile to "Occupy Wall Street".
http://www.wsj.com/video/banking-and-finance-group-supports-occupy-centr...