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American Ebola News Wrap: Up To 100 Potential Cases In Texas, 1 In Hawaii
UPDATE: TEXAS HEALTH OFFICIALS INCREASE NUMBER OF POSSIBLE CONTACTS OF EBOLA VICTIM TO 100
Despite promises by all asunder that any Ebola epidemic in America will be "contained" the dreadful news this morning appears to confirm this is not the case. From one patient, Eric Duncan, just 2 days ago, to 4 schools and 18 people yesterday (according to Texas Governor Rick Perry) to today where NBC News has confirmed with the Dallas county health and human services that 80 people came into contact with the Dallas Ebola patient or his family (including 12-18 direct). The ambulance workers are also under close watch after Duncan vomited on the ground outside an apartment complex as he was bundled into an ambulance. In addition, CBS is reporting one possible Ebola patient in isolation in Hawaii. Contained? Perhaps it is time to rethink the ethics of disease control once again.
After being sent home by a Dallas hospital,
The Dallas patient had initially sought treatment at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital late last Thursday and was sent home with antibiotics rather than being observed further, even though he told a nurse he had recently returned from West Africa. By Sunday, he needed an ambulance to return to the same hospital, where he was admitted.
A nurse asked about the travel as part of a triage checklist and was told about it. “Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full teams. As a result, the full import of that information wasn’t factored into the full decision making,” Texas hospital official Mark Lester said.
Two days after he was sent home from a Dallas hospital, the man who is the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States was seen vomiting on the ground outside an apartment complex as he was bundled into an ambulance.
"His whole family was screaming. He got outside and he was throwing up all over the place," resident Mesud Osmanovic, 21, said on Wednesday, describing the chaotic scene before the man was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital on Sunday where he is in serious condition.
Duncan's family took action...
That was the day "I called CDC to get some actions taken, because I was concerned for his life and he wasn't getting the appropriate care," Duncan's nephew, Josephus Weeks, told NBC News on Wednesday night. "I feared other people might also get infected if he wasn't taken care of, and so I called them to ask them why is it a patient that might be suspected of this disease was not getting appropriate care?"
Weeks added that he hoped "nobody else got infected because of a mistake that was made."
NBC has confirmed with the Dallas county health and human services that 80 people came into contact with the Dallas Ebola patient or his family.
Director Zachary Thompson said these 80 people were not in close contact, but they did have some kind of contact with or exposure to the patient.
Separately, Texas health officials have ordered four family members who had contact with the Dallas Ebola patient to stay home and not have visitors to prevent the potential spread of disease.
The order, hand delivered to Thomas Eric Duncan's relatives Wednesday night by Texas Department of Health Services officials, legally requires the family to comply until at least Oct. 19, when the incubation period has passed and the family is no longer at risk of having the disease.
And then there is this....
Doctors are keeping one possible Ebola patient in isolation in Hawaii, but symptoms could reflect many illnesses.
— CBS This Morning (@CBSThisMorning) October 2, 2014
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As we noted previously, it is perhaps time to discuss the ethics of disease control a little more broadly before the totalitarian weight of government comes to bear.
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Krugman says this will boost Q3 GDP.
Airports unloading ebola patients In every single city in the United States... Apparently by elite design... As the elite are already in their underground bunkers...
I told everyone, as many already realized, that the CDC "contained"
press conference, as well as the one perpetuated by RINO Rick Perry yesterday, were full of total, unmitigated bullshit.
Unfortunately, the hard facts of math & exponential replicatory mutations of opportunistic viruses point to an ominous path ahead regarding Ebola and any densely populated areas it has begun to affect, developing world and developed world alike.
Just be sure to use the 5 second rule and you'll be alright. Jees, much ado about nothing...
Hey who's dancing with the stars tonight?
I also stated (admittedly based on another person's calculations, which I cited to) that there's a greater than 50% chance that the real "Patient Zero" on the Dallas bound flight is still out there, yet to be diagnosed, treated or quarantined.
Dogs eat vomit and like to lick their owners... Air is a fluid...
C'mon, they never showed dogs getting infected in World War Z.
Well, here's our "October Surprise" everyone was mentioning.
And for those who say we should have 'open borders,' why are we VOLUNTARiLY allowing these people into OUR country when we KNOW they pose a risk of overstaying their visas and immediately going onto public assistance?
A little backhround on Mr. Duncan:
http://www.cis.org/vaughan/dallas-ebola-patient-was-another-visa-mistake
Obamacare's incredibly efficient rollout should give confidence to all.
Halloween should be great this year.
Nanci Pelosi just tweeted:
"We need to let Liberian Immigrant [Legal? Illegal?] Ebola victims vomit on U.S. soil to find out what's in it."
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. That;s some funny stuff !
Seriously though, why isnt Obama suspending all flight from West Africa to protect us ??
NOTHING Abnormal About This Event ...
USa Gobm't Beaurcracy In Action, Funcioning 100% At Its Finest!
... BE WORRIED ...
LOL
The future of the planet depends on the idiot manning the front desk at the hospital. Good luck with that.
ITS ON!
BITCHEZ!
So if this is real not hype, this means a massive deflationary pulse right? Stocks, everything. The economy would grind to a standstill.
I can't tell if this is just hype yet though, hopefully it is.
Everything real should have a shock. Stocks are in the "magic" category so might be fine.
I'm with Flavor Flav on this unless it goes airborne.
pods
Thank you Thomas Eric Duncan for giving us Ebola. USA Gubermint, why were borders not closed to recieving african travellers in the USA?
this fucker is in direct contact for several days in liberia with a woman that dies from ebola, gets his ass to USA as fast as possible (where he wont be denied treatment), goes to hospital the day he gets here, and then the story is covered up for a few days because he is black. this whole story is insane. al sharpton will be on tv tonight defending this pos.
The burning question now in Big D that people apparently forgot to ask up-front: who cleaned up Patient Zero's projectile vomit he spewed all over the parking lot and EMTs while they were getting him loaded into the ambulance, and what exactly did they do with the cleaning supplies they used?
that fucker should have been arrested for purposely knowing he was sick and flying back into America. Doesn't say much for whatever is supposed to be called border "security" or airline security though, does it? Just proves that DHS, TSA, and all the other government douchebag organizations are run by traitors who really just want to use their power and personell against the American people...not to help them in any way. How else can they justify wide open borders and inbound flights from Ebola-stricken African countries, yet if I want to fly I have to be violated by some TSA scumbag "for my safety from the big bad terrorists.". Fuck...the biggest terror organization in the world is the U.S. fucking government and their scumbag agencies.
And regarding Ebola...hate to say this, but it seems the reason this thing is spreading is because they're using too many people to try and save the victims. This just prolongs the time that someone who is going to die anyway can lay around coughing and excreting other infected body fluids which spreads it faster to healthy people in contact with them.
I would think a disease that kills this quickly and is so contageous should burn itself out fast if you just quarantine the areas and let the people die. Yeah, that sounds bad and all, but it would burn out right away and would save many more lives in the long run...in my opinion. Plus people wouldn't be able to get out and travel to other areas while infected and spread the damn thing like they're doing now.
That guy should have been locked down back in Liberia to die right away and never allowed to get on a fucking jet to fly to America. What the fuck's up with that??? Why in the hell, in the middle of the biggest outbreak of fucking Ebola of all things would the American government allow people to travel to America from any of these African countries???
That's either straight up treason with deadly intentions or the worst example of incompetence in the history of all government incompetence. And I'm thinkin' it's more of the nefarious nature and they wanted this shit to happen in order to create chaos and crisis which is the typical M.O. of treasonous, government scumbags.
What if one of these infected people were one of those fuckers who jumped the White House fence and got inside the front door???? Sounds like it would be easy enough to happen given that anyone infected with anything can get into the country and be transported anywhere they want for free by our very own fucking government, right??!!!
If they want to let these people into our country then the fucktards in D.C. should get to see them up close and personal and see how they like being face to face with Ebola. I've got a bad feeling the next thing they'll throw at us will be more restrictions and/or mandatory bullshit vaccinations that will make even more people sick and/or deader than a hammer. Next thing you know we won't be able to work or travel in the U.S. unless we get stuck with a needle full of some experimental Ebola juice.
FUCK THAT!
"who cleaned up Patient Zero's projectile vomit he spewed all over the parking lot"
Why Mc Donald's that's who!
They now serve Mc Ebola Veggie Soup as a kid's meal with Obama non-action figure.
I am sure that NOBODY decided to clean up the VOMIT on the ground.....I am sure one of the below scenarios occurred:
-some kids were playing in it and brought it home
-some idiot stepped on it and brought it home
-some dog slurped it up and was prompty brought home
"You're either with us, or with the Ebolas!"
Good News! "Drugmakers with experimental Ebola treatments in the pipeline saw their shares rise."
If the governments of the West really wanted to contain this, cratering the runways in three countries would help actually contain this.
+ 1000
I would think a disease that kills this quickly and is so contageous should burn itself out fast if you just quarantine the areas and let the people die. Yeah, that sounds bad and all, but it would burn out right away and would save many more lives in the long run...in my opinion
In fact, that's what they used to do in .. Africa! If someone got sick and died, and then someone else near him got sick, they would wall the second person up in a hut, and just pass food and water through a hole in the door. If the guy was still alive after two weeks, OK; if he didn't come out, they burned the hut to the ground. Brutal, but effective.
This guy did not enter the US directly from Liberia. He entered via Brussels, Belgium. So no red-flags!
They're waiting for the level A suits to come in before they clean it up.No worries though they put safety cones up so no one will walk through it.
I think the neighborhood dogs cleaned up the vomit. Like someone said earlier dogs eat vomit. I'm sure they washed out their mouths before going home and licking their owners. :) Cant believe some people actually kiss their dogs.
Canadian researchers have already shown that it is air-born.
Wake up!
LOL
The future of the planet depends on the idiot manning the front desk at the hospital. Good luck with that.
...and some idiot who handles an ebola patient who dies the next day then boards an airliner to go half way around the world.
I’m really looking forward to going to the crowded mall this weekend and rubbing shoulders with the peeples.
And getting sneezed on by some idiot that doesn't cover their mouth...raised by wolves, I tell ya...
Protect us? Protect us!? You assume that Obama wants to protect us. The overwhelming evidence indicates otherwise.
Meanwhile (according to this blog) over in Sierra Leone:
Hmmm... odd, considering tha's precisely where the Sierra Leone outbreaks started. Kenema has a big government hospital that does a lot of U.S. pharma 'research' and Kailahun is some backwater dump that fell victim to the Gates/Soros gift of free vaccinations.
That only goes to show you: never ask a US bioweapon scientists to figure out what is making you sick. At least those Tulane illegal human research bastards will become infected, won't they? Karma and all...
WTF?? The late Dr. Khan ran the Lassa fever treatment center at the Kenema research facility in Sierra Leone. Lassa fever is another more-contagious filovirus and is endemic to Sierra Leone. In fact, some of the U.S. ebola bioweapons 'research' lately involved experiments where genetic material from ebola was inserted in the Lassa Fever viral envelope to make it spread easier. I guess we can say that the Tulane/AMMRID exeriments were a resounding success.
Dr. Khan wasn't the kind to take care of Lassa fever patients the last decade without industrial-strength PPE. Yet the doctor and a few of his experienced nurses mysteriously succumb to ebola almost at the same time while Bausch scurries back to the states completely healthy? What are the odds? Sounds like the U.S. sent in the 'cleaners' to tidy up.
Probably not. The 'experiment' got out of control and the researchers are dead or bailed out. The new UK center is just for left-over victim housekeeping, but will be credited on CNN/NYT (or The Guardian in ths case) with 'eradicating' ebola in Kenema. What MSM will never report is that the ebola outbreak in Kenema stopped around the same time they erased Dr. Khan and staff. The residents burned down the research facility in anger and spooks like Bausch scurried back to their evil lairs. Suddenly, no ebola! It's a God damn miracle, I tell you!
Exactly. Spot on. Tulane University, Ft Detrick, thats where we go to start the investigation, not goddamn Kenema.
Don't worry. They can ressurrect the f'king 9/11 Commission to look into this in a thorough manner.
I understand those guys are the experts on 'truthyness'.
He is President America, not President Madagascar
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shut-down-everything
Because the flight came from Brussels, Belgium. Might as well suspend flights from every country that has a connecting flight to West Africa, i.e. the entire world.
Besides, now that USA has ebola on the ground, shouldn't other countries add it to the no-fly list?
... LIBERIAN Airways ... NOW Boarding ...
Washington USA Via Brussels ...
All Passengers Please Drag Your Bodies To A666 Boarding Gate ...
They need to shut Dallas down and all roads in and out maybe? Try to let it smolder out. If they can shut down an entire city over 1 chechken teen, they can certainly shut down “Big D” and any other city for that matter, to safeguard millions of people.
yes, to "safeguard" millions of people ( and of course, "for the kids" ) ... and this will be (conveniently) be implemented just prior to this November's midterm elections (in which the current regime is just a bit worried about losing control of the Senate) ... and what follows, of course, will be a temporary (*coughindefinitecough*) suspension of the midterm elections, because , of course, "it wouldn't be fair to hold the elections now with so many folks unable to make it to their local voting booth" ... VOILA !! <<Rahm Emanuel : "never let a crisis go to waste">>
I don't care if he came in for a fucking hangnail, if you're visiting from Liberia and requesting any medical assistance, quarantine should be immediate. The lackadaisical attitude about sending this guy home for two days to become a human virus bomb is absolutely unbelievable.
We have been saying on here for years how we live in Idiocracy now. This should be totally believable.
You only need to remember one thing- whatever the government tells you is a lie.
Yes, and they also withheld that this guy changed planes at Dulles in D.C. I'm wondering if this cat crossed paths with the person in Hawaii. The government sure isn't going to let us know.
Let's hope there are several nervous congressman who are now regretting tapping their feet in the airport bathroom stalls one too many times.
pods
Of course it wasn't communicated through the "medical team."
The patient speaks Liberian, the nurse only speaks Spanish and the doctor only understands Urdu.
Diversity!
Medical staff are well aware of the ebola outbreak in Liberia.
So what happened?
The hospital admin didn't want to house an ebola patient. Very dangerous, very expensive.
"Let him move on to some other hospital or just go home to die."
State Department incompetence rears its ugly head again. How can anyone approve a visa for a single, unemployed male from an Ebola country whose sister lives here esp when it's well known the return rate is next to zero?
Who is head of the State Depatment anyway?
new saying: I'm with the Government and I'm here to tell you lies!
no...the guy pressed the wrong button:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShNKXhVOePUflE0Y3J...
patient of mass distruction
I'm confidernt all you stupid sheep will have no problem complying with "shelter in place" orders and giving up all your rights over this ebola scamidemic.
They can bring the American economy to a halt with this ebola scamidemic because everybody believes it.
America has no future. It's inhabited by 350 million stupid ignorant sheep. This ebola scamidemic proves it.
Hey now there is about 15% of us that are awake and aware. We shall prevail.
No way, not when mob fear and mob rule takes over like it always does in these scamidemics.
Look at the raw fear displayed in comments here. ZH has turned into a bunch of gutless pussies over this ebola thing. It's amazing to watch.
How do you figure that Ebola is a scam?
One can get infected with only 5 or so virus particles.
It's a Level 4; it should be taken seriously.
Believe whatever you want. Everybody else does. You have 350 million sheep on your side.
Going on your belief then hell, they should shut down the whole fucking country to "contain" it.
Go ahead, make everybody "shelter in place" and grind the economy to fucking halt to "contain" this "ebola".
It's a worthless argument to have now. Whatever it's going to be it's going to be. People are already keeping their kids home from school in Dallas. If this guy infected another person that whole city will be on lockdown.
That city will freeze up not because everyone turned into giant wussies, but becasuse they will finally realize they have been lied to by the people they relied on, and they won't k now what to do.
Yes everybody turns into giant wussies. Like they are here on ZH.
Ok tell you what, I support 100% "shelter in place" for any city "ebola" is reported in. Nobody goes out, nobody goes anywhere, shut the whole fucking city down.
Anything less than 100% "shelter in place" is irresponsible and should bring criminal penalties.
There. That outta "contain" it.
And if this does turn into another pandemic, like we have had throughout human history, what are you going to do? There's no point in dwelling on it, because if it is going to happen, it is going to happen and you cannot stop it. I'm not going to be worried until there are secondary and tertiary infections, but seriously, what will you do if this is real and turns into a pandemic? Acting brave will not help you.
I'm not brave, just realistic. If this "ebola" is what everybody thinks it is, then let's project it out to its logical conclusion, you're all fucking doomed, massive death, economy destroyed, Ameirca destroyed.
Just like west African economies are being destroyed AS WE SPEAK.
Hey, lots of folks here are wishing to see it all come down. Ok, this could be what they wana see. Let's get on with it.
And if it turns into a real pandemic, our economy will be destroyed with or without a Dallas lockdown, with our without a nation wide lockdown. The only thing that you will be able to do to protect yourself is to isolate yourself from other humans who may have had contact with it. That's not "shelter in place." That's GTFO to a place where people don't go that you can provide for yourself.
So you're saying abandon the cities, turn 'em into ghost towns.
Same result, everything grinds to a halt, economy destroyed.
You sheep think it's a fucking epidemic? Ok, let's go with that. You're all doomed to watching your kids' eyes bleed as they gasp out their last labored breath, not a fucking thing you can do about it.
Who said I think it's an epidemic? I said I'll be worried when there are secondary and tertiary infections.
You have to go back and look through history. There have been plagues that have wiped out unimaginable numbers of people. It's happened in the past, it can happen today, with or without your bravado. Most nasty little bugs aren't going to have the requisite traits to make it as a pandemic, but eventually, given enough tries, one will beat the odds. That's just the nature of life. There's no point in uprooting your life until it's on your doorstep.
When it's on your doorstep it's way too fucking late to do anything about it.
And yep, this could be the ultimate "black swan" people have been looking for.
I think I'll stop swimming against the sheep current. It's hopeless.
If this "ebola" thing is real and out of control like they say it is, then get ready to lose all your rights, then get ready to meet your maker (in a rather agonizing dealth).
That's all I can say.
Good luck sheep.
You're just an angry cunt. Fuck off already.
The US government only shuts down cities for spurious terrorist threats after the event (cue Boston). Keeps the sheeple fearful.
Doncha know that, gator?
As a reminder, here is what happens when you tell a bunch of desperate people to 'shelter in place' and slowly die from Ebola exposure..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCrsRHEojnk
You bring up a good point fonz, people have been literally bred (through schooling) to believe that they can look up to their government to save them in their time of need.
If they realize that they have to rely on themselves, they will really start to panic.
The panic over this will do more damage than the virus. From economic slowdown, to every sneeze meaning a doctor must shoot them up with something, things will get bad.
But, although this one might change, you can still say:
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more Americans than Ebola.
pods
And the sad thing is, even though you could argue that government has a role to play here, they're going to fuck it up. Even if nothing terrible happens, the government will have fucked it up. Keep your eyes and ears open, go about your life, and if SHTF, understand that you have you and yours to rely on, and assume none else will aid you.
Well I have plans lined up (I know what Mike Tyson said about them) if it does go wild in the USA.
I am also in the minority in the lethality of this bug in a place like the US.
I have studied the immune system, especially how it pertains to nutrition. You can go a long ways in protecting yourself by simple means. I have done it for years.
Vitamin D is one key element here, which most americans are WAAAAY too deficient.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/
My wife and I spend a lot of time outside, and she had her levels run and hers was very low. So we take 4000 IU per day.
pods
I have my plans too, and they don't just pertain to ebola. Just keep in mind that if you need to GTFO for whatever reason, you won't get vitamin D suppliments beyond what you have in store.
I wonder how Texans really feel about Rick "BigHair" Perry. We'll soon find out.
So what are you?
I'm an asshole. Albeit one who tries to think things through.
pods
I'm a concerned citizen who supports 100% "shelter in place" for any city "ebola" is reported in.
/s
I still have no idea what your point is.
Dude. You claim that everyone is a stooge. So what are you? Kind of sound like a nutter in some of these posts.
Just another 15-week wondertroll.
A nutter who thinks Ebola is some kind of scam.
Duncan's family took action...
"I feared other people might also get infected if he wasn't taken care of, and so I called them to ask them why is it a patient that might be suspected of this disease was not getting appropriate care?"
Weeks added that he hoped "nobody else got infected because of a mistake that was made."
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The family deserves most of the blame for allowing Duncan to come to Texas if not actually encouraging it. They knew that his village was being ravaged by Ebola and that he was likely infected. Our government shares responsibility for allowing his entry. But this family is going to sue the shit out of that Dallas hospital. and if they live through this, there will be a payday at the end, thank you Jesus.
For the rest of us, our standard of living continues to decline in proportion to our racial and cultural diversity. You can't have a first world country with a third world population (and President).
Ebola thrives on ignorance....
.....so it should do well in most of the inner cities in the U.S.
You don't understand, this is exactly the type of person the gubmint wants to flood the country with: Dependent types who will support the status quo unwavering, and not ask allot of questions besides: "why did my SNAP card not reload this month" or "has my section 8 application been approved?". It's not like we don't have enough of our own people like this, THEY HAVE TO IMPORT MORE FROM AFRICA AND ASIA.
Actually, the apartment where the vomiting was is below Section 8 standards. It's in an African immigrant neighborhood. Section 8 will ensure that it gets spread to the middle class parts of town.
CNN reports that Duncan's apartment in Dallas has not been cleaned by health officials. Shit stained sheets still on bed. Duncan's "wife" complains of racism at hospital.
I hear Duncan's apartment complex has a quite a lot of vacancies suddenly.
I bet you can negotiate the first 3 months 'rent free' if you bargain real tough ... that is, if anyone is in the manager's office there.
"He vomited all over the place." according to a resident. Great. Who got to clean that mess up? Where did they dispose it? What about the flies, bugs that got all over it? Are the A/C units self-contained?Air ducks?
Just another phase in the decades long race war, and the long-term goal of rendering the dominant white Christian demographic (you know, civilized, productive, law-abiding families), a minority.
Ramped up in the last 6 years with the N in Chief's arrogantly, in yo face, full bore, racist administraion.
Whites may one day actually return fire.....
Good find PS
Ok Dallas/Fort Worth listeners, this one goes out to you from all your friends in Monrovia:
Ebola in Town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Eov6gIiqM
I assume it must be crystal clear to absolutely everyone by now that Thomas Eric Duncan knew he was going to become ill and after having seen the Monrovian Hospital situation plus the young woman he helped carry to said hospital and had to help carry back because she was refused admittance due to over-crowding and then Mr. Duncan sees her die and her brothers die as well ... oh there is no question why Mr. Duncan boarded a flight to "visit his sister" in Texas, USA.
Let's get real. He didn't tell the admittance staff at the Texas hospital that he had personally, physically had contact with a full blown Ebola victim who died.
Fuck Mr. Thomas Eric Duncan.
What the fuck is the CDC doing about the infected sheets, clothes, blankets etc left at his sister's apartment after he was taken away by ambulance?
They did in I am Legend
True, only people.
And one of the first symptoms a EBOLA INFECTED HUMAN IN AMERICA gets is to buy silver and gold.
I don't know about you losers... But this is where I am going.
Fuck Earth!
Elon seems to be a bright guy. I suspect he won't take Liberian immigrants.
If Musk is truly intelligent, he will exercise full Discrimination in exactly whom he will "take".
Discrimination. Bet you kids didn't know that is actually a good thing, requiring observation, cognitive processing and ...gasp... judgment.
Judgmental. Another highly positive attribute.
world war Z was the worst fucking zombie movie and man, i've seen plenty of stupid ass zomboids. it was so bad.
oh my god, the plane scene where they blow up the plane then crash and survive and all he gets is a scratch on his leg. oh god
“Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated"
Famous last words for civilization
hey, that would make a great epitaph on a tombstone.
I told you I was sick.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g34345-d106028-i53300...
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"hey, that would make a great epitaph on a tombstone."
Sorry, it wouldn't. By the time that anybody beyond the news-junkies get it, we will be using mass graves.
Personally, I'm partial to "Here Lies Lester Moore, Four Slugs From A 44. No Les, no More."
How did "visiting from Liberia" and "fever with abdominal pain" not trigger immediate lockdown? Not fully communicated, WTF?
Yeah kind of contradicts this
“We are confident that the sophisticated medical infrastructure that exists here in the United States can prevent the wide spread of Ebola,” Earnest said.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/01/white-house-we-wont-stop-ebola-carrier...
And sub-prime is contained.
And there is no Plan B.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/17/bernanke-subprime-speech-markets-equity...
Is history rhyming here with this "don't worry, we've got it contained" bullshit?
sophisticated medical infrastructure
There is no medical infrastructure sophisticated enough to deal with an outbreak of Ebola.
"Sophisticated medical infrastructure" is Medspeak for "by the time we get the paperwork filled out he will have infected half the people in the vicinity".
Hospitals are/will be one of the greatests threats to transmitting ebola to the widest possible audience--when/if Ebola goes exponential in U.S., stay the hell away from a hospital.
One would think that infected meat packing plant and other food processing workers could transmit ebola quickly to a wide audience.
A couple of weeks ago I was renovating a hospital gift shop and needed to use the public restroom in the lobby by the main entrance. Immediately noticed that it smelled badly and as I glanced back ftom the urinal noticed that there were puddles of liquid shit everywhere. Running down the wastebasket, all over the sinks and countertops and many puddles scattered around the floor. Do you think the, "low man on the totem pole" janitor charged with cleaning up that mess put on a $1200 Ebola hazmat suit?
About a year ago, I was working in another hospital and got in an elevator to go up to the 7th floor where we were renovating the bathrooms.
There were about 8 poeple on the elevator when a woman hospital worker shrieked, "oh! Oh! Oh lawd no! and shit all over her self.
You could see yellow brown liquid shit staining the backside and down the leg of her white pants. That elevator stunk for two hours later even though only a few droplets made it to the elevator floor.
I think I would have pointed my ass in the corner, dropped my drawers and blasted off on the elevator instead of all over myself.
the doctors were told to "stand down" \s
THAT is allready a given.
No /s,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTUmAhHKZMM
Liberia's Screening Operations under Scrutinyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GwEvaYB5R8
I know Ebola is worse, but lets everyone try to remember 'swine flu' 'bird flu' 'Sars' etc. I like doom porn as much as the next guy and all, but we are starting to sound like a bunch of Michael snyders....
Doom porn is the fed raising rates. We are just talking about 100 million lungs being barfed out here. Big difference.
21 day incubation period. I don't know how long the other ones have, but that is a big deal with this one.
Barry will be remembered in history books as, “the Prezident who let Ebola into the USA.”
Does anybody here have any ides of how many ER visits will be made in the next six months with ebola like symptoms due to the flu? Probably several mllion, we cant possibly isolate. But we should mandate isolation for those that have visited Africa in the last 21 days.
By the way CNBC just announced that over 100 people came into contact with patient zero.
Also in the press conference the director of the CDC said only a handfull. He must have really BIG hands
It's unfortunate but if you cough you need to be put down.
Fits nicely into the plan.
They will ban any public gatherings and protests for health and safety fears and viral contagion.
Any protest against mass redundancies and layoffs will be treated as potential ISIS copycat work place violence.
"Yes, you are laid off. WHAT? Are you threatening me with a beheading? HELP, POLICE!"
Remember with SARS and H1N1 the media and the CDC turned the fear mongering up to 11 and had everyone running as fast as they could to get vaccinated. The media is downplaying the severity of this, the CDC and the govt are downplaying the severity. That is not good. The govt didn't buy 160,000 NBC suits for H1N1...
Exactly. People try to say this is just the next SARS or H1N1.
One HUGE difference is in the case of the former, the government hyped UP the risk, in the case of Ebola they are trying to DOWN play it. Try reading between the lines people.
If you do start to get symptoms, just visit your regional Senator and ask him/her personally if they might think of closing the ports.
For the most part I agree with you carl, however the important thing to look at is mortality rates. All those other illnesses were under a 5% mortality rate. isnt this ebola reported to be over 50%?
I have never been scared by a "pandemic" but I must admit this does have me concerned. You are right though that a lot of people on here act like chicken little about everything. Remember fukushima anyone?
Ah Fukushima - how soon we forget...
Is that the place journalists are not allowed to report radiation levels of for fear of 10 years in the slammer?
A prefecture where 35% of under 18's now have thyroid disorders?
Difficult for me personally to forget as my daughter is in Kyoto on a year's student exchange.
Maybe its just your memory is short.
That disaster is a slow motion wrecking ball of death and cancer. Just because you can't see the evidence of it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
By the way, most of the ZH "doomers" predicted that the public's apathy and childish attention span of the Fukushima disaster would result in a "look everything is fine" attitude, while ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
Swine flu doom was pedaled by the SOS who coincidentally held a >5% position in the company that developed the vaccine.
So, who in this scenario is placed similarly?
Bloody shit happens Fonz.
My cousin Ekonda Wodaabe has been saing that for years
Will you ask him (or is that a her?) when I am going to get my check from the Liberian minerals minister?
pods
Also, take this "80 persons who had contact" with Duncan, multiply it by approximately 100x to 300x given both Duncan's flight itinerary & layover at different airports where he spent a great deal of time in at least 3 major airports (asymptomatic my ass), and in consideration that Ebola is effectively transmissible to anyone within a 3 foot radius of an infected person, that has the chances of such transmission increasing with time spent within that 3 foot radius.
A CDC study conducted during a previous Ebola outbreak shows that dogs can be infected with Ebola:
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf
As a practicing MD for almost thirty YEARs with a Masters in Public Health from UCLA, I can emphatically state that the CDC IS LYING.
America is being SCREWED.
THINK about the following statement for more than a fleeting moment: "Wash your hands & wait for the vaccine?!?!"
With such an INCREDIBLY infantile strategy, all we need to do is get Africa to USE SOAP?!?!?
Are there ADULTs ANYWHERE to be found in this administration?!?!
The regime's explanations DEFY ALL (of what used to be) common sense.
www.Locutions.org
Lets not forget that dogs can actually be carriers.
Think about how difficult it would be to quarentine everyone who could have come into contact with an infected dog at a dog park. . .
citx, what's wrong with you dogs can be avoided - but few fly from liberia.
I'm responding to the above post (way above by now) regarding some dog sticking its nose in the infectious puke-pile left by Mr. Duncan. Dogs can be asymptomatic carriers of Ebola - ie they can infect without ever showing symptoms. So one dog gets infected - and as it kisses its owner and shits infected poops all over the place, it can infect other dogs and people. The problem is that this vector could go undetected for a long time.
We can already see how one infected person can stress our system of quarentine. Now imagine if dogs become the US version of Fruit Bats.
Just try taking your pet dog overseas with you on vacation.
Healthy or not quarantine is mandatory for pets, I believe.
nope, quarantine is not mandatory for pets.
OK - a dog does not have to be infected by an African dog. JFC.
Look at is this way: If Mr. Duncan had a dog at home that licked his face prior to his ambulance ride - it would likely become an asymptomatic carrier of Ebola. Then it rubs noses with another dog on a walk, or shits outside and another dog sticks its nose in it - and now dog #2 is a carrier that can infect its owner or other dogs. Lets now say dog #2 goes to the dog park - it can now infect dogs #3 through #35 who go home and infect their families and so-on.
Dogs are a potential vector, just like rats were for the plague or Fruit Bats are for Ebola.
FYI:
Ebola virus antibody prevalence in dogs and human risk. Allela L1, Boury O, Pouillot R, Délicat A, Yaba P, Kumulungui B, Rouquet P, Gonzalez JP, Leroy EM. Author informationhttp://static.pubmed.gov/portal/portal3rc.fcgi/4010870/img/3974597) 0px -21px no-repeat scroll transparent;"> AbstractDuring the 2001-2002 outbreak in Gabon, we observed that several dogs were highly exposed to Ebola virus by eating infected dead animals. To examine whether these animals became infected with Ebola virus, we sampled 439 dogs and screened them by Ebola virus-specific immunoglobulin (Ig) G assay, antigen detection, and viral polymerase chain reaction amplification. Seven (8.9%) of 79 samples from the 2 main towns, 15 (15.2%) of 99 samples from Mekambo, and 40 (25.2%) of 159 samples from villages in the Ebola virus-epidemic area had detectable Ebola virus-IgG, compared to only 2 (2%) of 102 samples from France. Among dogs from villages with both infected animal carcasses and human cases, seroprevalence was 31.8%. A significant positive direct association existed between seroprevalence and the distances to the Ebola virus-epidemic area. This study suggests that dogs can be infected by Ebola virus and that the putative infection is asymptomatic.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15757552
thanks for the link
"Air is a fluid" Bravo! I am happy to see a science literate comment like this. Air is just a low viscosity fluid and thus has potential to transmit the virus loaded into droplets from a seeze or cough, if the droplet is big enough to hold enough virus load.
air is a fluid!
Gas C T0 ?0 ? air 120 291.15 18.27 1.512041288Apparently, this guy helped an Ebola patient get to a hospital... Then she was turned away and he helped her get back home, where she died. That was a few days before his flight to TX.
That would put his incubation period at about a week, maybe 8-10 days. That's about right. Unlikely that he caught it on the plane.
Look at the bigger picture as I believe Duncan knew damn well he was infected and was seeking medical care in the US with total disregard to all the people he would infect. As long as the borders are open it will not be contained.
Why didn't he just say to the stupid paper pushing nurse "I HAVE EBOLA YOU STUPID FUCK!!!!!".
Maybe he did and we will never know. But his sister opted to call the CDC so there was some discussion about it. Remember he was familiar with what ebola looks like which the masses here in the US do not.
Yeah, we are asked to assume that the ER nurse and patient were so collossally stupid that
- she did not ask about his possible Ebole contact before traveling from Liberia
- he did not volunteer the Ebola contact information
- somehow, the Liberia detail was not mentioned to anyone else in the hospital
Can these people actually be this clueless? Maybe. But "Oops!" is not really an acceptable response here, especially for the nurse and hospital!
If they're not as profoundly stupid/oblivious as the official story suggests, then what actually happened?