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Why The Chinese Admire "Putin The Great"

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As The Wall Street Journal's Jeremy Page writes, In the recommended-reading section of Beijing's Wangfujing bookstore, staff members have no doubt which foreign leader customers are most interested in: President Vladimir Putin, or "Putin the Great" as some Chinese call him.

Books on Mr. Putin have been flying off shelves since the crisis in Ukraine began, far outselling those on other world leaders, sales staff say. One book, "Putin Biography: He is Born for Russia," made the list of top 10 nonfiction best sellers at the Beijing News newspaper in September.

 

China's fascination with Mr. Putin is more than literary, marking a shift in the post-Cold War order and in Chinese politics. After decades of mutual suspicion—and one short border conflict—Beijing and Moscow are drawing closer as they simultaneously challenge the U.S.-led security architecture that has prevailed since the Soviet collapse, diplomats and analysts say.

 

The former rivals for leadership of the Communist world also increasingly share a brand of anti-Western nationalism that could color President Xi Jinping's view of the pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong. Beijing accuses Western governments of stirring unrest there, much as Mr. Putin blamed the West for the pro-democracy protests in Kiev that began late last year.

 

Russia has begun portraying the Hong Kong protests, too, as U.S.-inspired. Russian state-controlled television channels this week claimed that Hong Kong protest leaders had received American training.

Support for Putin is extremely widespread in China...

The Pew Research Center says China is one of the few countries where popular support for Russia has risen since Moscow's confrontation with the West over Ukraine—rising to 66% in July from 47% a year earlier.

 

A poll by In Touch Today, an online news service run by China's Tencent Holdings Ltd., put Mr. Putin's approval rating at 92% after Russia annexed Crimea in March.

"Putin and Xi Jinping are quite similar," says Yu Bin, an expert on China-Russia relations at Wittenberg University in Ohio. The leaders are from the same generation—they are both 61—and both want to re-establish their countries as world powers and challenge Western dominance following periods of perceived national humiliation.

"Putin's personality is impressive—as a man, as a leader. Chinese people find that attractive. He defends Russia's interests," says Zhao Huasheng, an expert on China-Russia relations at Shanghai's Fudan University. "Russia and China can learn a lot from each other."

 

It is partly realpolitik. Russia needs China's market and capital, especially as Western sanctions over Ukraine bite, the analysts say, while Beijing sees Moscow as a source of diplomatic support and vital energy resources.

 

The countries concluded a long-awaited deal in May for Russia to supply $400 billion of gas to China over 30 years. They have forged agreements to build a railway bridge over their common border and an ice-free port in Russia's far east. They have also unveiled plans to set up ground stations on each other's land for their satellite global-positioning navigation systems.

 

Also driving the realignment is rapport between Mr. Putin and Mr. Xi, whose leadership increasingly resembles his Russian counterpart's charismatic nationalist authoritarianism.

Various Chinese authors have written extensive best-sellers on the Russian President:

Liu Xiaohu, the 28-year-old author of another biography, "Putin's Iron Fist," which came out this year, says many young Chinese feel frustrated by what they see as their government's failure to respond to past foreign provocations, such as the U.S. bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999.

 

"It's not that Chinese people instinctively want or need a strong leader: It's that the country needs one at this period of time," he says.

 

Zheng Wenyang, the 30-year-old author of "He is Born for Russia," says the biography, which came out in 2012, has sold far more copies than his earlier works on Barack Obama, Margaret Thatcher and Nelson Mandela.

 

He says Mr. Putin's popularity, while inflated by glowing reports in Chinese state media, feeds off a deeply held conviction in Chinese society: "If a leader is weak and allows himself to be bullied, then people won't respect him."

 

Russia's pushback against Western-leaning governments in Georgia in 2008 and more recently Ukraine has been popular in China. Some say Beijing should draw lessons from those experiences as it jostles for control over waters in the East and South China seas with the U.S., Japan, Philippines and Vietnam.

 

"Putin is a bold and decisive leader of a great power, who's good at achieving victory in a dangerous situation," said Maj. Gen. Wang Haiyun, a former military attaché to Moscow, in an interview with the Chinese website of the Global Times newspaper.

 

"These features are worthy of our praise and learning. Russia has been a great world power for hundreds of years and a superpower in the bi-polar order: It's much more skilled than us at playing great power games."

Finally, not everyone is excited about the newly found kinship between the two nations...

Some Chinese experts argue that China risks damaging its relationships with the U.S. and the European Union, still its biggest trading partners. Moscow's and Beijing's interests aren't always aligned.

 

New tensions could arise over China's expanding influence in Central Asian lands that once were part of the Soviet Union, and over Russian arms sales to India and Vietnam, neighbors of China that have boundary disputes with it.

 

Still, some analysts say that by staying out of the way in Ukraine, Beijing has ensured that Moscow will remain neutral over China's flaring territorial disputes in Asia. And for the moment, both sides have an interest in playing up the merits of their governance models.

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The bottom line - if you're going to be isolated from the world, you would do a lot worse than have China as your friend... and both Moscow and Washington know that only too well.

 

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Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:44 | 5287278 VATICANT
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And because he's not a flaming gay homo like Barry

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:48 | 5287291 economics9698
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He tells the tribe to go fuck themselves.  Got my support.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:10 | 5287542 markmotive
Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:36 | 5287613 bid the soldier...
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Putin is rich in the love of his people.

There is nothing richer than that.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:10 | 5287697 The Doofus
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Bitch, please.  Putin is a repressed homosexual.  He'd rather be wearing mini-skirts and high-heeled shoes than governing Russia.  But he's got mommy issues.  The man's a split-tail who needs a slapping.  Plain and simple. 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:36 | 5287744 Savyindallas
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you've just proved that even the homo crowd wishes he were one of their own. Dream on sally.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:17 | 5287808 palmdetroit
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omg negative about the king on the kings own forum??

 

Always 50 downvotes on Russianhedge pussclub

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 10:38 | 5288321 conscious being
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That's all you can do? Make jeuvenile ad homonim slurs? If you have a critique, let's hear it. Otherwise, it sounds like you're arguing about who farted, which is really just a waste of time and space, isn't it?

If you have something meaningful or useful to say, get it out or we'll just assume you're a bent out of shape Zino crying about how Putin successffully sorted out the Zino-oligarchs who had eaten Russia.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 12:08 | 5288532 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Putin refuses to be a puppet of the Rothschilds and other puppetmasters who control the world governments. Remember that Hebrews use to live in the USSR under communism.  Hebrews are in Russia today and they are Oligarchs.  But Putin does not care because if Oligarchs stand in his way, he takes their assets and slams them in jail!  Putin contrary to Obama doesn't give a fuck about Israeli/Zionist control.  While Obama fears the AIPAC because he and his family are in danger if he does not follow their instructions.  Kennedy bit the bullet because of AIPAC!

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 03:45 | 5287819 bid the soldier...
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I am always amazed by outspoken critics of Putin, who themselves worked for and voted for Ronald Reagan four times (twice if they lived on the East coast) and today blame all of America's gloom on the four year term of Jimmy Carter and Vladimir Putin since 2000.

Doofuses like you would be ecstatic in their praise of him had he kowtowed  to George Bush with his black-american-life-span IQ, somewhere in the low seventies. 

But no. He objected to the US withdrawal of the ABM Treaty.  And he objected to the EU opening their membership to the ex Soviet nations to remove them from Moscow's sphere and to install abms on their land closer to the Russian border.

You and every other doofus in America became enraged that Putin would not bow and scrape to the likes of Bush (ignorant) and Obama (wildly inexperienced).  Which ruined your masturbatory dream of American Exceptionalism  --    as if your neighbor started knocking loudly at your door just after you greased up and had your favorite split-tail porn site up on your laptop. 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 06:02 | 5288006 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Ironically, Vladimir Putin's great poltical idol is well-known to be Peter the Great, rather than any of the statesmen from the Soviet Union. He's essentially a Tsarist who exploits nostalgia for the Soviet era among the Russian population, while running a ruthless oligarchy at their expense.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 06:08 | 5288023 Duffy
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you've regurgitated the neocon talking point - but why do you think it's true while most Russians do not?

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/01/warning-merkel-on-russian-invasion-...

 

Yiu read some shit at the Weekly Standard or Commentary and think you have all the angles covered, eh? 

 

lol.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 06:49 | 5288031 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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You seem clueless as to what neo-conservatism is, and what dangers it poses to a society. But then, it's not surprising to see a nationalist respond to criticism of Putin with visceral hatred. Vladimir Putin is widely admired among nationalists, seperatists and right-wing extremists across Europe. The French fascist leader Marine Le Pen is perhaps the most prominent example.

Putin ardently supported the Scottish independence vote during the recent IndyRef. It would have helped him legitimize the annexation of Crimea and further internal divisions in the European Union, after all.

 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:15 | 5288384 conscious being
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Ok Numbnuts, you lost me right here ...Vladimir Putin is widely admired among nationalists ... and right-wing extremists across Europe.

You're just making stuff up to fit your false narrative. Who is shelling civillians while attacking the Russian areas of Ukraine? The Ukraine nationalist, fascist, rightwing extremists. The very people you claim are drawn to Putin, are the same groups attacking him in Ukraine? You're not a lying zionist ideologue are you by any chance? 'Cause it sure seems like it.

You know, right-wing, fascist extremists from across Europe, as you say, people from Sweden, France, Italy and elsewhere volunteered to go fight and die battling against the people supported by Putin in the Donbas?

Neo-Fascist Mercenaries From Europe Fill the Ranks of Ukraine's Army Azov Battalion

 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 09:41 | 5288210 Iwanttoknow
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EMR,so that is very bad that he does not support the reptile tribe.Too bad that tribe cannot trigger famine.Too bad Russia cannot be looted by Soros.Too bad Beria cannot fuck little school girls.Fuck off ,troll.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 06:18 | 5288032 jeff montanye
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fair enough as far as you go.  but bush and obama are far, far worse than ignorant (even stupid, harder to fix) and inexperienced (after six years as president he certainly has had "experiences").

they continued clinton's (and ghw bush's, and reagan's, and carter's) deregulation of a particularly corrupt financial system with its tentacles (vampire squid) deep in the treasury and the fed (privately owned but with a public purpose -- sort of worked for a while) as well as congress through campaign contributions.

as well, and worse, particularly the heinous bush and obama made bipartisan a national security state that is allied with that of israel and is extremely detrimental to the realpolitick interests of the united states (see http://smile.amazon.com/JFK-9-11-Years-Deep-State/dp/1615776311/ref=sr_1... as an example) as well as (and more importantly) the destruction of the vestiges of the constitutional rights of its citizens to the point of trialess asset seizure, indefinite imprisonment and executive assassination as openly practiced government programs.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 06:56 | 5288053 schatzi
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I am even more amazed by the outspoken supporters of a despot, autocrat, homophobe, kleptocrat, KGB officer, warmonger, nationalist, xenophobe, jingoist and man-tits jiggling narcissist.

 

Frankly, this allows only two assumptions:

The one being that some of you dumbfucks enjoying all the amenities of a relatively free and democratic society, such as freedom of speech and pretty much all of the basic human rights, don't have a fucking clue what you would miss if you'd have to live in Novosibirsk instead of Denver, or....

 

you've just logged in from St. Petersburg busily financing your English language degree doing some good ol' classic KGB subversive trolling for 2 bucks an hour.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:20 | 5288429 conscious being
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Freedom is dead in America until further notice. Everyone's catching on. Deal with it.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 13:59 | 5288774 schatzi
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Freedom being undermined doesn't make it dead.

Start appreciating what you have and start deserving those liberties by fighting for them, instead of supporting a tit that would shit all over your rights you still have. If you hate your leader and political system so much, do something about it within your still functional constitutional rights and if you really need some other political leader to fawn over instead, for the love of God, chose someone who actually has a track record for supporting human rights and freedoms.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 13:05 | 5288668 bid the soldier...
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Get over it, schatzi.

Putin's Gay Propaganda covers the boys up to 18 and not 14 like you and your gagle of friends were hoping for.

But you guys will still be able to do that back rub thing on choice Russkies in their 20's. 

It's not such a bad deal.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 06:59 | 5288054 dogfish
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Doofus i gave you a red because you are a total ASSHOLE!!!!

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 07:25 | 5288076 CoastalCowboy
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Doofus, what's your GS rating for being a salaried Internet troll?

I'm just curious that's all.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 09:54 | 5288227 hairball48
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3 weeks a member huh?

Your name says it all DOOFUS

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:10 | 5288402 Volkodav
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stupid

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:09 | 5288394 Volkodav
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VV Putin was never about money

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:40 | 5287468 palmdetroit
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Maybe cuz he's the only one with an even smaller penis.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:34 | 5287607 bid the soldier...
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So you actually have first-hand experience as to the size of Putin's and Obama's penises.

WOW.

The expertise here at zh is astonishing.  

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:10 | 5287800 palmdetroit
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Basic Psychology. Pretty obvious when he cries like a little girl EX. when 'elected' ,  does his photoshoots, tries too hard to impress, makes every other article on ZH about meaningless Russia...

 

But real gangsta-ass niggas don't flex much
Cuz real gangsta-ass niggas know they got em

Real gangsta-ass niggas don't talk much
All ya hear is the black from the gun blast
And real gangsta-ass niggas don't run for shit
Cuz real gangsta-ass niggas can't run fast
Now when you in the free world talkin' shit do the shit
Hit the pen and let the mothafuckas shank ya

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 02:19 | 5287874 bid the soldier...
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I must apologize, sir, I thought you were slighting Putin's member, not Obama's.

Naturally, I rose to defend Putin's honorable unit.

 

I wouldn't waste any more time on Obama's thingy.  Everyone knows Michelle keeps it locked in her sewing drawer.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 09:41 | 5288211 Circle of DNA
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Hey palmdetroit,

did you measure his cock with your mouth?...

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:34 | 5287738 Savyindallas
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Yes, but you have to admit, Barry is very popular in gay flaming homo circles. can you think of any other flamers that have achieved such ststus?

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:44 | 5287280 ShortTheUS
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Putin is an alpha brah. Even if you hate him you admire his confidence and bravado - man or woman.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 03:08 | 5287904 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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China, Russia, India, Africa, LatAm, rest of Asia lining up together, what do we get? England (most indebted country on Earth), Japan (see above), and the drone-tossing USA on one team. Team Red Ink!

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:46 | 5287286 world_debt_slave
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Confusion say so

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:49 | 5287295 nah
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the Chinese love everybody, and more seats of power for the Chinese legacy

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and being the key for every financial superblowhard lock

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and working hard to keep everything they can get

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:13 | 5287811 palmdetroit
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Is this article about chinese who love putin on the zerohedge poster crowd? I see the I luv putin shirts selling real well on here...

 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:25 | 5288439 conscious being
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How's your I love Netenyahoo, scratch and sniff panties working out for you? Never mind. You just keep it go yourself.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:50 | 5287296 LetThemEatRand
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Because they are drones who like centaurs?  No worries, ZH Putin lovers.  You have a billion + of company.  So you've got that going for you.  You independent thinker libertarians, you.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:09 | 5287348 Cangaroo.TNT
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IF one is inclined to admire or idolize a politician of any stripe (I am not), especially if one has more of a nationalistic leaning, I can see how one would pick Putin over Obama.  He is more credible as a leader.  I, however, don't like to be lead, so they can both choke on my fat one.  Same goes for those sneaky yellow bastards.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:12 | 5287358 angel_of_joy
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Keep fighting the old lady. She's dead anyway...

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:20 | 5287810 LetThemEatRand
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She is dead, but her evil legacy lives on.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wBjFf0gCV4

When you watch this, keep in mind he's married to an executive at Goldman Sachs.  But he loves Rand.  And there's this:

"Cruz’s connections to Goldman Sachs go beyond the fact that it’s one of his biggest donor bases. Much of his personal wealth is tied to the financial firm as well. Cruz’s wife, Heidi Nelson Cruz, is a vice president at Goldman. In his personal financial disclosure statements, Cruz reported his wife’s salary only as “more than $1,000? (lawmakers aren’t obliged to be more specific about spouses’ incomes). And in 2011 he also reported having between $158,000 and $495,000 invested specifically in Goldman Sachs products. In 2012, his investments are similar, although CRP has not completed a full analysis. A full list of Cruz’s investments as of 2012 can be viewed here. Additionally, in 2011, Cruz reported having borrowed between $100,000 and $250,000 from Goldman Sachs for a margin loan. In his 2012 report, the size of that loan had increased to between $250,000 and $500,000. In 2011, Cruz’s total networth was, on average, $1.7 million."  

And then watch this important documentary.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1pYtoWL6c

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:46 | 5287838 angel_of_joy
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Somebody paying you any attention would think that you talk about Marx, or Hitler. What exactly is her "evil legacy" ? Her books ? To my knowledge she didn't kill anybody in her entire life, and her philosophy didn't cause anybody's death yet. 

Nevermind, keep up the good fight... it's a worthy cause.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 02:06 | 5287848 LetThemEatRand
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Greenspan and his progeny including most douchebag programmed Randbots here on ZH.  Or perhaps you didn't notice.  Just watch the first 30 seconds if you can't take the idiocy of the rest.  This literally tells you why we are here.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfZ6lljnHZw

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 13:38 | 5288725 angel_of_joy
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We are here because people got stupid and let the government run their lives. That's the simplest way to put it. You are a waste of my time...

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:29 | 5287599 JamesBond
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perhaps this is a case of, know thy enemy?

Mein Kamp & Marxism and Problems of Lingustics still sell.

 

 

jb

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:13 | 5287701 Duffy
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don't read much, do you, Randy?

The AngloZionist Empire is at war with Russia

What's "libertarian" about the US/UK/NATO/Israeli axis, exactly?

I'd just love to hear from a bona fide "independent" thinker for a change...

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:26 | 5287705 LetThemEatRand
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The ladies doth protest too much.  But let me spell it out.  He's an authoritarian.  With big tits, both metaphorically and literally speaking.  Some of you go for metaphor.  Some just like the bitch tits (stealing from Fonz).  And he is an oligarch who is in league with the people you detest, but his propaganda works on you because you are naive.  You are playing checkers and he is playing chess with you (Obama is not even playing anything but golf).  The Chinese -- a culture of obey and thank you sir may I have another and "oh I'll do anything to save face because I have no self-worth beyond what others think of me" -- love the guy.   Other than that, how was the play?

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:30 | 5287727 Duffy
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I bet that made sense to you as you wrote it, too.

 

jeezus, Randy.  Why not go revisit just what the 'oligarchs' under Yeltsin did, and what Putin did and whether or not this helped or harmed Russia.

 

And you didn't answer my question....

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:39 | 5287741 LetThemEatRand
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So Putin made his money being an oligarch hunter?  http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/president/vladimir-pu...

Ask me a question that makes sense and I will answer it.  I'd add a "y" after your name to make an inane point, but you did that yourself.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 06:09 | 5288025 Duffy
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Does this approach usually work for you, product of public schools?

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:04 | 5288383 Volkodav
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media dumb you down much?

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:49 | 5287297 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

Putin is the "GREATEST" leader, ever.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:06 | 5287335 cheech_wizard
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You did of course listen to Putin's comments about this Syrian Jihadists the US is supporting...

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/62549/video-mccains-obamas-precious-syria...

http://hughmurray.blogspot.com/2014/08/putin-right-about-syria-and.html

Do we honestly need to compare Putin to the "GREATEST" idiot we currently have in the White House?

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:12 | 5287360 Kirk2NCC1701
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Judging by your prior posts... now I know you're being sarcastic.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:55 | 5287505 MsCreant
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He is, indeed, attempting some performance art.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:41 | 5287619 Wild Theories
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eh, I prefer MDB to this junk...

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 07:20 | 5288069 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Theory.

Just because I'm Indian I'm often treated as sub-human and irrelevant, my opinions and my being.

This is not nice and I "URGE" you to examine your thoughts about me. We all live in the same world at precisely the same teeny-weeny fraction of time and to maximize our experience "TOGETHER" we must be tolerant and kindly expressive.

Now I must go nurse my finger as I crushed it yesterday. While constructing a block wall a cinder block fell on it from about 1 meter in height. Lucky not broken but my typing is now "FULLY" compromised.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:16 | 5287369 Cangaroo.TNT
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Anyone that respects, likes, or admires a politician is a retard.  Period.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:29 | 5287433 MollyHacker
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Putin's not a politician, he's a leader!

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:34 | 5287450 Cangaroo.TNT
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Sorry.  Not impressed.  I'm not a follower.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:40 | 5287469 The9thDoctor
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I find it a bit odd, all of the support for a politician on a libertarian/anarchist leaning website

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:44 | 5287475 Cangaroo.TNT
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Well, not from me, at least.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:06 | 5287798 Overfed
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I have been asked from time to time who I would consider my hero. My response is that I'm nobody's disciple and heros are for children.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:37 | 5288466 BigJim
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 I find it a bit odd, all of the support for a politician on a libertarian/anarchist leaning website

It is odd. I think many people hate their own government so much they are willing to overlook the dictatorial tendencies of any country that stands up to them.

That and we have some Krembots here.

Still, nothing like as many Washbots as infest other sites.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 15:21 | 5288963 Greenskeeper_Carl
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it is odd, as ive pointed out several times. I usually just get downvotes, with little intelligent disagreement. He stands up to western powers, which I like, but it doesnt change the fast that putin is still a statist authoritarian. How one can be a Ron Paul fan and still worship Putin is a mystery to me. Try to remember, fellow ZHer's, that it is possible to be amused by Putin making Obama look stupid, but still not worship him. You CAN dislike both obama and putin atthe same time, guys...

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 03:10 | 5287895 matrix2012
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Cangaroo, life is real, as well as the human being. Many at ZH may not need a leader to lead their lives. But let's admit it, most of the population do need some some leaders to lead their lives in orderly fashion. A nation, and we aren't just talking about those tiny enclaves such as Switzerland, Baltics, Singapore, money laundering Safe Haven islands, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Luxembourg, etc, in particular a large populated one (of at least 10 millions or higher, the bigger the population the more obvious the necessity), surely needs a leader to lead the people; without such leadership the nation may plunge into chaos or become insignificant. . For the sane people of this world, still having the common sense and brain, presented with a leader of choice between Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama, I believe under the free conditions to exert one's own choice consciously, many more will choose Vladimir Putin than the Chief of Gay, the protagonist muppet of Zio-controlled Anglospheres. . Hence, your wet dream for any significantly large nation without any meaningful leadership is not realistic, not workable for the population en masse; it is not even worth of any meaningful discussion, though it could be a novel idea in some utopian land.
Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:32 | 5288456 mc225
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it's actually pretty weird, how putin goes out there and bare-chestedly wrestles tigers or somesuch. seems like theatre on all sides.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:21 | 5287577 bid the soldier...
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Except when he fixes a pot hole right in front of your house.

Then you'll gladly polish his knob.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:18 | 5287385 NoDebt
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His current competition being who, exactly?  There is none.  He is the only true LEADER on the planet right now.

Please don't confuse that with him being a nice guy.  He is still a politician.  He would cut your throat in a cold minute if it enhanced his power.

I, for one, am not looking for the best dictator currently available.  Constitutional principles are currently very out of fashion.  That may not always be the case.  No matter how far beaten down, our country can rise again if we turn back to them.

The Russian-led Soviet Union was beaten 20 years ago.  A laughing stock.  They collapsed.  They were written off.  Now, in far less than a single generation, they are a force to be reckoned with once again.  How did that happen?  And why would you think that such a resurgence would be unique only to Russia?

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:28 | 5288451 kaiten
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Soviet Union was not beaten, it collapsed from within.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:18 | 5287570 bid the soldier...
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He saved Russia from the dickhead neocons who came in with Ronald Reagan and whom Obama likes to get butt fucked by.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:31 | 5287729 Savyindallas
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he's definitely in the very top tier. The best in the world today, anyway.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:50 | 5287300 stant
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Yeah ESP embarrassing for us southerners, not because he black. Just incompetent

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 21:53 | 5287306 Yen Cross
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 I just started averaging into a long rub/usd trade last week. The carry is reasonable, and the fucking ponzi usd is yoked on the dxy. The  (long) RSI line 14 week is pushing 90. It's even more over-bought than that spike in 2010.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:44 | 5287476 papaswamp
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You dirty dog you....nice move.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:53 | 5287501 Yen Cross
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 The door is still open . Turkey and South Africa are ripe for the "risk takers". That ZAR trade has a ways to go.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:58 | 5287512 papaswamp
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I wish...ive tied myself up in mineral rights too much, and probably too stupid to see the right move. Rocks though...love me the rocks...

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:08 | 5287534 Yen Cross
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 Can't go wrong there. Everything(commodities) is ultra cheap right now. Not for long though.

 They're being forward sold(paper) for collateral, to cover margin calls soon.

 I've known you for the better part of 5-6 years Papaswamp. If you're still in the game, you're doing something right.

 Are you a Gemologist? If so, I'd certainly like to keep in touch with you.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:01 | 5287320 Amerikan Patriot
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The Chinese love Vlad because he's the head of a neighboring totalitarian regime and both share a mutual enmity with the US. 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:05 | 5287332 economics9698
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The USA has 4x the prison population as China.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:58 | 5287514 Amerikan Patriot
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A feature of totalitarian regimes is they frown on media that isn't state controlled.  US media may be largely asinine, but one is free to say what one thinks of Obama in it, for better or worse.  Say the wrong thing in China or Russia and anything can happen.  That's why you can't find a truly negative article about Putin, e.g., in Russia Today.  It's not permitted, and is controlled by the state in any event.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:09 | 5287544 oudinot
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You are a troll.

Go away.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:51 | 5287777 Amerikan Patriot
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Sorry Bob - you need ideas, not epithets.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:02 | 5287671 bid the soldier...
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Why don't you tell everyone here how many articles appeared in the Western media about the fact that the Ukrainian Air Traffic Controller's recording disappeared the day MH17 was shot down?

And how many follow up stories appeared?

And how many NY Times and WaPo reporters were sent to Kiev to find out who ordered their disappearance?

The Western media knows which side of the bread is buttered, dude.

EVEN IF YOU DON'T

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:58 | 5287786 Amerikan Patriot
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Bob, here are some anti-Obama articles that appeared recently in the US media.  Can you find some anti-Putin articles on the Russia Today site?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-on-obamas-for...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/03/if-obama-thinks-ebola-is-natio...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/10/03/george_will_obama_is_p...

I didn't think so (you silly goose).

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:31 | 5287829 Overfed
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Fuuuuck. Those are total softballs.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 10:55 | 5288368 Amerikan Patriot
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No, they're critical of Obama and his policies.  Can you find me 3 articles in RT that are similarly critical of Putin and his policies?

The proof's in the pudding, Bob.  Give me some pudding!

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:35 | 5288461 mc225
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overfed is right: softballs. everything in the media is at best disinfo/limited hangout.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:35 | 5287830 bid the soldier...
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Ray, I'm not going to dignify your reply with a reply.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 04:22 | 5287939 Karl von Bahnhof
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If you are real Amerikan Patriot then USA is deeply fucked.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:28 | 5287724 Savyindallas
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You are so naive -  our Big Brother controlled media reports nothing of the truth about Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc., that the elites won't allow. These are controlled pyschopathic scum with serious stains and crimes in their past, ready to be exposed if they do not do their masters' bidding.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 01:27 | 5287823 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Obama sucks balls........ooops sorry Reggie!!!

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:03 | 5288381 Amerikan Patriot
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On virtually every subject under the sun, Bob, I can read diverse (and often totally contradictory) opinions in the American media.

But in the Russian state-controlled media, I can't read or hear or see anything truly bad about Putin the Great or his policies. 

Go to www.rt.com and pick out a few anti-Putin articles for me. 

Can you do that for me, Bob?

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:37 | 5288467 mc225
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usa media is just different variations of lies/obfuscations. rt's abby martin talks smack about putin all the time. but she's disinfo herself.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:05 | 5287333 economics9698
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The USA has 4x the prison population as China.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:12 | 5287361 NoDecaf
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copy that.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:21 | 5287391 Kirk2NCC1701
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But a quarter of its population. Hence, 16 incarceration when adjusted. Land of the Free, my ass.

Were it not for millions in prison, and tens of millions on welfare, things would look quite scary on the streets: crime & riots.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:28 | 5287431 cartonero
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You got it

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:40 | 5287751 ebear
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mis-post

 

 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:43 | 5287763 ebear
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Prisoners per 100K population:

USA: 707

Russia: 470

China: 172

Canada: 118

France: 103

Germany: 78

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 02:28 | 5287882 Son of Loki
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<< USA: 707 >>

... and yet there's still 1-2 murders/night and who knows how many rapes&assaults/24hrs in my medium-sized city.

Sounds as if "707" is too low; an example of what I'm saying is that cancer reseach guy at UNC who was beaten to death at 1 in the afternoon one block from the UNC campus by two diverse Thugs who had "long ciminal records."

Not only is our criminal so-called "justice" system broke, our entire culture seems to have deteriorated. In Big Cites like Chicago, Houston, LA, etc there's probably even more then 1-2 murders/night.

Broke is what it is.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 09:57 | 5288239 sleigher
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707 isn't too low.  50% of those incarcerated are there for non-violent drug offenses.  

I have no problem with murderers/rapists going to jail, forever even.  I do have a problem with the above. 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:02 | 5287325 himaroid
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Knock hell out of them for us Mr Putin.

I know you will keep Mr Snowden safe too.

Thanks.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:07 | 5287329 news printer
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"Some say Beijing should draw lessons from those experiences as it jostles for control over waters in the East and South China seas with the U.S., Japan, Philippines and Vietnam."

China builds another island in South China Sea

http://www.janes.com/article/43757/china-builds-another-island-in-south-...

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 04:40 | 5287948 Nestor Makhno
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It'll be fine, the yanks have just decided to sell vietnam weaponry to boost their 'naval defense', arms sales are simply foreign policy writ large.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:15 | 5287364 coast
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Its obvious you all...you can try and play the market, and maybe you will get lucky.  As long as they are propping it up, might as well

get in on it...Its all about timing tho.  Will it crash suddenly, or will it dwindle slowly.  Will metals go thru the roof in two days, or slowly over 6 months...Darn you guys, with psychopaths in charge of all markets, WTF do you do?  Yes, many made money on the stock market, I almost gone into myself, but do average traders like myself have a chance or is it only the pros and insiders?  I am so confused I dont give a frick anymore...guns/ammo/food/and somewhere to hide out...I dont know, just rambling..I dont know anything anymore.

 Somebody give me a hug :-)   preferably a cute female..

 I think I am going to sell all my metals and spend the money on hookers :-)

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:18 | 5287380 Cangaroo.TNT
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Spend the money on blow.  Give the blow to the hookers.  You'll get more mileage that way.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:18 | 5287381 Reggie Dunlop
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When did zero hedge turn into a russian propaganda site?

He's as much of a scumbag as any politician we have in the US, and we have the worst. Out to protect his oligarch buddies.

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:21 | 5287398 Cangaroo.TNT
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Puttin on the foil tonight?

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:24 | 5287409 Reggie Dunlop
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"Yeah, every game, you want some?"

Well played sir.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:25 | 5287410 Reggie Dunlop
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"Yeah, every game, you want some?"

Well played sir.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:44 | 5287479 Anusocracy
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You are missing a few things.

The US is the sole blame for creating the post-WWII fucked up world we have and all the other countries are forced to play by the rules created by the psychopaths in DC.

By the time this is over, the US will have caused more suffering and death for more people than any other country in history. Thanks a lot all you idiot American voters.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 04:29 | 5287944 notrealname
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I agree for the most part, but do you really believe the voters actually have a say. I can assure you they do not, and revolutions are hard when most get free shit from the government.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:18 | 5287382 Reggie Dunlop
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When did zero hedge turn into a russian propaganda site?

He's as much of a scumbag as any politician we have in the US, and we have the worst. Out to protect his oligarch buddies.

 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:20 | 5287715 Savyindallas
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When the Luciferian vampire blood sucking elites got so arrogant in their power that they began installing pedophile, homos , pervert and/or rapists in the Oval office  -with Hillary and Jeb Bush as their likely chosen successors, things won't be any different.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:19 | 5287383 Yen Cross
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 The thing about Putin, is that he's a true Statesman. Putin NEVER lies!

 If you look at Western expectations >>> Putin is a "loan sharking, black market organ dealer".

 Putin thinks and adapts with ~pin head~ precision. Putin let's the situation present itself, and adjusts accordingly.

 Putin NEVER shows his hand, and always looks for the most fluid way to convey his policy.

 Western politicians are dumfounded by Putins steadfast honesty. They think he's got an underlying agenda, because that's their  OWN "modus operandi".

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:30 | 5287435 Atomizer
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The people that lie wear a Kipa iron dome cap..

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:35 | 5287453 Yen Cross
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 People that aren't part of FINRA.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:18 | 5287386 Atomizer
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Why, because you don't need to buy oil from a anal feasting pediphile anal hole called Washington DC. 

Isn't that right Obama, Mrs. Change and Hope hype. 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:20 | 5287396 Latitude25
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Putin has intelligence and respect unlike ANY western whore supposed "leader"

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:22 | 5287400 Kirk2NCC1701
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Except for Ron Paul.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:33 | 5287605 Savyindallas
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and walter Jones

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:48 | 5287483 Reggie Dunlop
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Wake up, he's just as bad as the ones we have.

Just because he's on the other side of the fence you shouldn't admire him.

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:06 | 5287530 CCanuck
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Hey Dunlop,

Are you saying that Ron Paul = Obola...?

All politicians are the same?

Putin acts in the interest of Russia, he does not act in the interest of the Tribe, that alone puts him well above any other world leader at this point.

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:41 | 5287620 Reggie Dunlop
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Putin acts for his own tribe, wealthy oligarchs of Russia.  Don't buy the propaganda.

I've met Ron Paul, so he isn't a politician to me, but a leader. Obama is a politician.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:53 | 5287636 CCanuck
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"Putin acts for his own tribe, wealthy oligarchs of Russia"

 

You made my point...he acts for Russians.

Who are Western leaders Acting for?  

Do you need a hint?

Not the countries they pretent (acting) to represent.

 

Because the Great Reggie Dunlop meets a politician it makes him a leader?

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:55 | 5287654 Reggie Dunlop
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You don't think our politicians act for our wealthy as Putin acts for his wealthy?

Seriously?

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:08 | 5287692 CCanuck
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Western politicians sold out their respective people long ago....

Do you know how many of the politicians are Dual-Citizens acting by the whim of the Tribe?

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:02 | 5287670 Reggie Dunlop
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"Because the Great Reggie Dunlop meets a politician it makes him a leader?"

In my mind, yes.  And I don't give a damn what you think is a leader.  You are admiring a scumbag Russian politician who is just as bad as any other politician.

 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:06 | 5287683 CCanuck
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Your mind eh...

One too many hockey fights, Reggie?

 

 

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 00:11 | 5287700 Reggie Dunlop
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I still have at least one left in me, Putin-Lover.

Better to be a Putang Lover, sir.  Make the change.

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 04:44 | 5287951 Nestor Makhno
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My dictator is better than your dictator?

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 11:47 | 5288500 mc225
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poontang for the win

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 10:49 | 5288357 Volkodav
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stupid

You know nothing about Russia

Sat, 10/04/2014 - 10:49 | 5288354 Volkodav
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You know nothing about VV Putin

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:23 | 5287403 kchrisc
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Everyone loves someone that sticks it to a bully or bullies.

Here lately, Putin has been sticking it to the DC US and their Israeli masters pretty good.

And I do have a feeling that most of the rest of the world is indeed tired of the two. I know that I am.

An American, not US subject.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:32 | 5287441 Yen Cross
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I'm not sure how old you are Chris.

I can say, that bullies aren't the typical "meat heads" that give you swirlies between classes.

  They wear "cuff links" and wear "cheesy ties", in my neck of the woods.

 I didn't down-vote you. You might want to re-visit your patronage(roots) though?

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:33 | 5287434 alexcojones
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Putin Loves Russia. Shows judgement & restraint.

Obama? Just another war criminal like Bush 1 & 2 and Clinton, ready to destroy the Constitution, the Bill of Rights . . and just possibly the World..

JFK and Obama--Profiles in Courage and Cowardice
Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:34 | 5287449 talisman
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I would happily trade Russia Obama for Putin, and even throw in Kerry and Biden....
For a larger deal, if Russia would throw in Lavrov and Glaziev, I would gladly give them both houses of Congress-- including John McCain, Mitch McConnell, and Harry Reid.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:38 | 5287460 Yen Cross
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 I'd happily trade a fucking blow-up doll with an  upside down American "lapel pin"and matching socks for ZERO~

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:41 | 5287467 Reggie Dunlop
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Trading politician for politician is like trading lump of shit for lump of shit.  Best to be the one that gets the least amount.

Putin nut huggers, get a clue.  Politician is a politician.  

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 22:44 | 5287474 Yen Cross
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 You missed the point clown! No~One is loving on Putin.

 It's just the fucking worthless "garden knome" in the Oval Shit House, has no equal!

  Now go shove that hockey stick up Al Gores' climate lovin ass!

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:09 | 5287540 Reggie Dunlop
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Read the comments in this forum, "clown".  Some are clearly loving on Putin.

 

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:15 | 5287559 Yen Cross
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 I'm clearly lovin' proving my point.

  Would you like your "Wookie Wipes" in yellow or pink?

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:24 | 5287587 Reggie Dunlop
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Your mom gives me the same question, but she says "pink or stink?"

I say both, then go to her mouth.

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:31 | 5287603 Yen Cross
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 Here we go with the "ad hominems".

 You sure you want to play this game with me?

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:51 | 5287639 bid the soldier...
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"No-One is loving on Putin"

 

Sorry, but I am definitely bromantic on him

 

 

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:06 | 5287529 Reggie Dunlop
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Does anyone else enjoy the irony of me getting down voted for telling people not to admire any politician on zero hedge?

 

Fri, 10/03/2014 - 23:12 | 5287547 Yen Cross
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 It's all in the approach.

 ~ Mr. Putin~

 I upvoted you, so you don't cry yourself to sleep in that big "fluffy pillow" tonight.

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